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robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2019 12:35 pm
Buster Olney is reporting that the White Sox offer to Machado is a 7 year deal for only $175 mil. The Yanks have to be players at this price point, no?
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check out the Yankees thread, already being discussed.  
Anando : 1/16/2019 12:37 pm : link
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I'm not even a big Machado fan  
crackerjack465 : 1/16/2019 12:39 pm : link
and I was against a 10/300+ deal, but if that's all he signs for, I'll be pretty upset. I like Andujar, but if you can sign Machado for that price.. you gotta do it.

7/196; he's 33 at the end. That's really good.
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Ryan in Albany : 1/16/2019 12:43 pm : link
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop.
I think you can leave this thread  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2019 12:44 pm : link
up, even though you mention the Yankees. The thread could be broader than that.

if that's the "ball park" for Machado, 30 teams should be interested.

I heard talk of a $400M contract for Harper and slightly less for Machado before either hit free agency, if it's anywhere in the low 200's for ~8 years any team with a need at SS or 3B should be involved.
White Sox offer  
Beer Man : 1/16/2019 12:46 pm : link
is 7-years $175M. The Yanks should be able to easily beat that.
That is more of a Yankee thread  
robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2019 12:46 pm : link
and on the second page. No idea this was brought up. Thanks for letting me know but I agree with PJ.
Hal will have a difficult time  
dune69 : 1/16/2019 12:47 pm : link
wiggling out of this. He cannot walk away on price/terms unless there is a deeper character concern.
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allstarjim : 1/16/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14265443 Ryan in Albany said:
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It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?

I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
It also looks like the Phillies are  
Beer Man : 1/16/2019 12:48 pm : link
all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
RE: Hal will have a difficult time  
jcn56 : 1/16/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14265452 dune69 said:
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wiggling out of this. He cannot walk away on price/terms unless there is a deeper character concern.


Seriously. Short of Machado having someone chained up in his basement, answering questions on why they passed at this price would be difficult at best.
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Beer Man : 1/16/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14265453 allstarjim said:
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It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?

I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
Yes there is plenty of thunder, but what the line-up is missing is a true #3 hitter. Manny seems to be a perfect fit for that. Didi, Voit, and Hicks are not great #3 hitters. Didi and Hicks are too streaky and Voit is still much of an unknown.
Machado wouldn't be brought in for thunder.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2019 12:53 pm : link
He'd be brought in for his overall approach at the plate that is lacking in a lot of our hitters as well as his defense (at 3B not necessarily SS but that flexibility is a plus).
I've been in favor of NYY  
bigbluehoya : 1/16/2019 12:56 pm : link
signing Machado from the outset. If they pass at numbers anything close to what's being floated now, I'll be pretty damned disappointed.
RE: It also looks like the Phillies are  
shyster : 1/16/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14265454 Beer Man said:
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking


Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.

Posted this article in the Yankee thread and will re-post here.
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I can't believe this isn't over with yet. I expected Harper to take  
Strahan91 : 1/16/2019 12:57 pm : link
until maybe February but after Machado concluded his visits, I thought we'd know in 2-3 weeks max. I guess if this is the only real concrete offer he has, it would explain why.
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Beer Man : 1/16/2019 12:59 pm : link
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking



Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.

Posted this article in the Yankee thread and will re-post here. Philly Voice - ( New Window )
There have been a few articles in the last two days stating that Philly is going all out to land Harper.
Im sorry but theres no way thats the best offer  
Ssanders9816 : 1/16/2019 1:00 pm : link
This isnt comparable to JD Martinez who was being paid to DH. This is a young stud that plays lockdown defense. And no I dont like him and dont want him. But at those numbers its hard to argue. He would have been signed by now
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Strahan91 : 1/16/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14265475 shyster said:
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking



Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.

Posted this article in the Yankee thread and will re-post here. Philly Voice - ( New Window )

There were a bunch of nuggets that came out earlier today that Harper is their preference now although by how much, we don't know.
Gotta love some Yankees fans  
figgy2989 : 1/16/2019 1:01 pm : link
A few weeks ago, 10yr/$300M for Machado isn't worth it, I would rather offer him more money and less years...

Now that the White Sox offer is leaked.

I don't know if $26-$30M per year is worth it...


Can't make this shit up.
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Strahan91 : 1/16/2019 1:03 pm : link
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).
RE: Gotta love some Yankees fans  
Ssanders9816 : 1/16/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14265483 figgy2989 said:
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A few weeks ago, 10yr/$300M for Machado isn't worth it, I would rather offer him more money and less years...

Now that the White Sox offer is leaked.

I don't know if $26-$30M per year is worth it...


Can't make this shit up.


Huh? Everyone here is in favor of it
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Ssanders9816 : 1/16/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14265487 Strahan91 said:
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).


LOL, Im sorry Jon but what?!
Come on just sign the guy  
B in ALB : 1/16/2019 1:06 pm : link
He instantly makes your team much, much better. Figure out the rest later. So ridiculous that they're shitting the bed like this.
RE: It also looks like the Phillies are  
Jay on the Island : 1/16/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14265454 Beer Man said:
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking

The Phillies will get one of them. They clearly favor Harper but if he passes they will sign Machado.
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robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14265491 Ssanders9816 said:
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Jon Heyman

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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).



LOL, Im sorry Jon but what?!


Yeah, that makes no sense. He was on the radio the other day and had not one piece of information to share other than opinions. If that was true then why have Machado in for a visit?
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shyster : 1/16/2019 1:07 pm : link
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking



Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.

Posted this article in the Yankee thread and will re-post here. Philly Voice - ( New Window )

There have been a few articles in the last two days stating that Philly is going all out to land Harper.


If you or Strahan91 wish to link, I'd be happy to review.

The reporter I am aware of who has been most forceful with Harper to Phils is Bob Nightengale and even he qualified that somewhat by tweeting that the Phils will have either Harper or Machado on Opening Day.
RE: RE: Gotta love some Yankees fans  
figgy2989 : 1/16/2019 1:08 pm : link
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Huh? Everyone here is in favor of it


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allstarjim : 12:48 pm : link : reply
In comment 14265443 Ryan in Albany said:


It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?

I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
At this price, I'd note that  
bigbluehoya : 1/16/2019 1:09 pm : link
The Mets could also really build some good will with their fans by stepping up to the plate on this one.

More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.

Nimmo
Lowrie
Machado
Cano
Conforto
Ramos
Rosario
McNeil/Broxton/Lagares/

JdG
Synder
Wheeler
Matz
Vargas

Diaz
Familia
Lugo
Gsellman

That team wins 90 games pretty easily, IMO.
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robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2019 1:09 pm : link
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking



Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.

Posted this article in the Yankee thread and will re-post here. Philly Voice - ( New Window )

There have been a few articles in the last two days stating that Philly is going all out to land Harper.



If you or Strahan91 wish to link, I'd be happy to review.

The reporter I am aware of who has been most forceful with Harper to Phils is Bob Nightengale and even he qualified that somewhat by tweeting that the Phils will have either Harper or Machado on Opening Day.


I feel like he has been wrong all offseason. Didn't he say the Yanks were definitely getting Machado before or just after the new year?
Baseball seems headed for a work stoppage  
pjcas18 : 1/16/2019 1:10 pm : link
unless average salaries are up, but the super stars are not getting paid like they were.

I wish they had age on here.

Looks less like an offer  
jeff57 : 1/16/2019 1:10 pm : link
Than an insult.
Shyster  
Strahan91 : 1/16/2019 1:15 pm : link
I dont want to link a bunch of tweets but if you go to Heymans account youll see a bunch of things he said earlier that indicate that Phillys preference is likely Harper although hes not sure and doesnt say it outright.
RE: At this price, I'd note that  
Strahan91 : 1/16/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14265500 bigbluehoya said:
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The Mets could also really build some good will with their fans by stepping up to the plate on this one.

More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.

Nimmo
Lowrie
Machado
Cano
Conforto
Ramos
Rosario
McNeil/Broxton/Lagares/

JdG
Synder
Wheeler
Matz
Vargas

Diaz
Familia
Lugo
Gsellman

That team wins 90 games pretty easily, IMO.

Didnt the Mets say very early on in the offseason that hes not their type of player?
Strahan  
bigbluehoya : 1/16/2019 1:18 pm : link
they may have. I'm a NYY fan; I don't follow every headline with the Mets as much.

Simply pointing out that it's a really reasonable price, a position of need (3B), and a player that could really make them an immediate threat in the NL.
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shyster : 1/16/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14265501 robbieballs2003 said:
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I feel like he has been wrong all offseason. Didn't he say the Yanks were definitely getting Machado before or just after the new year?


At the time of Yanks' meeting with Manny he said they were "enamored" with him and he was "perfect fit." He did not say a signing was going to happen.

Nightengale was the first to report the White Sox seven year offer to Manny. He was the first to contradict Passan's report that the offer had been bumped to eight years. And he quickly confirmed Olney's report today on the dollar figure.

He clearly has sources but can get carried away on predictions.
Isn't  
mitch300 : 1/16/2019 1:19 pm : link
this what the Yanks offered Cano?
Didn't he also say that Corbin was going to tge Yanks  
robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2019 1:19 pm : link
?

RE: Didn't he also say that Corbin was going to tge Yanks  
shyster : 1/16/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14265529 robbieballs2003 said:
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Actually I believe he said it was the Phils who wouldn't be outspent.
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pjcas18 : 1/16/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14265517 Strahan91 said:
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The Mets could also really build some good will with their fans by stepping up to the plate on this one.

More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.

Nimmo
Lowrie
Machado
Cano
Conforto
Ramos
Rosario
McNeil/Broxton/Lagares/

JdG
Synder
Wheeler
Matz
Vargas

Diaz
Familia
Lugo
Gsellman

That team wins 90 games pretty easily, IMO.


Didnt the Mets say very early on in the offseason that hes not their type of player?


yes, then they were linked to trading for Puig.

I believe the "he's not their kind of player" comment was clearly about the expected $$$$.

RE: Shyster  
shyster : 1/16/2019 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14265515 Strahan91 said:
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I dont want to link a bunch of tweets but if you go to Heymans account youll see a bunch of things he said earlier that indicate that Phillys preference is likely Harper although hes not sure and doesnt say it outright.


Thank you for the reference.

Looking through Heyman's comments, this one struck me as most to the point:


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Jon Heyman
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Felt like Machado was Phils top choice at one time. Now it seems like its even or maybe a lean toward Harper.


He does follow up with some hunches why Phils might lean Harper but there's no claim of a source indicating a clear preference in that direction.
Thats his best offer?  
Rflairr : 1/16/2019 1:51 pm : link
A damn shame the Mets arent involved at the price. Shameful
RE: Gotta love some Yankees fans  
LS : 1/16/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14265483 figgy2989 said:
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A few weeks ago, 10yr/$300M for Machado isn't worth it, I would rather offer him more money and less years...

Now that the White Sox offer is leaked.

I don't know if $26-$30M per year is worth it...


Can't make this shit up.


Yankee fans? One guy said this.
If the Yankees using their advanced metrics...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/16/2019 2:26 pm : link
didn't believe him to be worth 7/175, I can live with that. To me it seems reasonable, but they do a much better job of evaluating talent and value than I do, so I can give them the benefit of a doubt on it.

Having said that, I think it was wrong for them to even court him to begin with. What was the point of meeting with him to begin with? Driving up the price for someone else?

That makes no sense to me. If that's what they were doing, why wouldn't they continue to say they are still interested?

I think if they genuinely thought they were unwilling to go 7/175 then they should have just passed on meeting him.
Whats the downside in bringing Machado in?  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2019 2:34 pm : link
and given his personality and attitude issues, why wouldnt you bring him in to get a feel for yourself?
And its no different than hiring in the regular world  
UConn4523 : 1/16/2019 2:36 pm : link
you have X to spend but hey, maybe going above is worth it if the candidate blows me away.
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Gatorade Dunk : 1/16/2019 2:43 pm : link
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It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?

I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.

Yes there is plenty of thunder, but what the line-up is missing is a true #3 hitter. Manny seems to be a perfect fit for that. Didi, Voit, and Hicks are not great #3 hitters. Didi and Hicks are too streaky and Voit is still much of an unknown.

The supposed prestige of the #3 spot in a batting order is one of the most overrated things in sports. For one thing, the batting order is only guaranteed to come up exactly as intended once per game. For another, the #3 hitter is more likely to come to the plate with two out and nobody on than he is any other scenario.

That doesn't mean that you punt the #3 spot in the lineup, but it's hardly as important as many seem to think. In fact, the #5 spot is arguably more valuable than #3, and #1, #2, and #4 are all definitely more valuable.
The Yankees gave Jacoby Fuckin' Ellsbury, at age 30, 7/150  
Greg from LI : 1/16/2019 2:50 pm : link
But now they won't give a 26 year old who is much better than Ellsbury ever was more than 7/175??
Of course the Yanks could beat that price if they wanted to  
mfsd : 1/16/2019 2:52 pm : link
What do we know about Cashman - hes typically pretty patient. Its entirely possible hes said to Machados agent call us on Feb 1st with the best offer you have, and well decide then if we want to outbid.

Or, its entirely possible they dont think Machado is the right influence on the younger core like Torres, Andujar, Sanchez, etc.

Or, maybe Hal is really being cheap with long term deals, just bc he wants to or to set the team up for a sale.

But regardless, making any conclusions based on this rumor is silly. It was obviously leaked by someone, probably Machados agent, to stimulate the bidding
...  
christian : 1/16/2019 2:59 pm : link
If the bar is set this low, I'd love to get in on Harper.
I raised this issue last week...  
Mike in St. Louis : 1/16/2019 3:01 pm : link
any chance the Yanks are waiting on next year and Nolan Arenado?
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