Buster Olney is reporting that the White Sox offer to Machado is a 7 year deal for only $175 mil. The Yanks have to be players at this price point, no?
and I was against a 10/300+ deal, but if that's all he signs for, I'll be pretty upset. I like Andujar, but if you can sign Machado for that price.. you gotta do it.
up, even though you mention the Yankees. The thread could be broader than that.
if that's the "ball park" for Machado, 30 teams should be interested.
I heard talk of a $400M contract for Harper and slightly less for Machado before either hit free agency, if it's anywhere in the low 200's for ~8 years any team with a need at SS or 3B should be involved.
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop.
It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?
I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
wiggling out of this. He cannot walk away on price/terms unless there is a deeper character concern.
Seriously. Short of Machado having someone chained up in his basement, answering questions on why they passed at this price would be difficult at best.
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop.
It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?
I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
Yes there is plenty of thunder, but what the line-up is missing is a true #3 hitter. Manny seems to be a perfect fit for that. Didi, Voit, and Hicks are not great #3 hitters. Didi and Hicks are too streaky and Voit is still much of an unknown.
He'd be brought in for his overall approach at the plate that is lacking in a lot of our hitters as well as his defense (at 3B not necessarily SS but that flexibility is a plus).
all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
until maybe February but after Machado concluded his visits, I thought we'd know in 2-3 weeks max. I guess if this is the only real concrete offer he has, it would explain why.
all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
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There have been a few articles in the last two days stating that Philly is going all out to land Harper.
This isnt comparable to JD Martinez who was being paid to DH. This is a young stud that plays lockdown defense. And no I dont like him and dont want him. But at those numbers its hard to argue. He would have been signed by now
all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
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There were a bunch of nuggets that came out earlier today that Harper is their preference now although by how much, we don't know.
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).
LOL, Im sorry Jon but what?!
Yeah, that makes no sense. He was on the radio the other day and had not one piece of information to share other than opinions. If that was true then why have Machado in for a visit?
all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
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There have been a few articles in the last two days stating that Philly is going all out to land Harper.
If you or Strahan91 wish to link, I'd be happy to review.
The reporter I am aware of who has been most forceful with Harper to Phils is Bob Nightengale and even he qualified that somewhat by tweeting that the Phils will have either Harper or Machado on Opening Day.
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It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?
I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
The Mets could also really build some good will with their fans by stepping up to the plate on this one.
More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.
all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
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There have been a few articles in the last two days stating that Philly is going all out to land Harper.
If you or Strahan91 wish to link, I'd be happy to review.
The reporter I am aware of who has been most forceful with Harper to Phils is Bob Nightengale and even he qualified that somewhat by tweeting that the Phils will have either Harper or Machado on Opening Day.
I feel like he has been wrong all offseason. Didn't he say the Yanks were definitely getting Machado before or just after the new year?
I dont want to link a bunch of tweets but if you go to Heymans account youll see a bunch of things he said earlier that indicate that Phillys preference is likely Harper although hes not sure and doesnt say it outright.
The Mets could also really build some good will with their fans by stepping up to the plate on this one.
More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.
they may have. I'm a NYY fan; I don't follow every headline with the Mets as much.
Simply pointing out that it's a really reasonable price, a position of need (3B), and a player that could really make them an immediate threat in the NL.
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I feel like he has been wrong all offseason. Didn't he say the Yanks were definitely getting Machado before or just after the new year?
At the time of Yanks' meeting with Manny he said they were "enamored" with him and he was "perfect fit." He did not say a signing was going to happen.
Nightengale was the first to report the White Sox seven year offer to Manny. He was the first to contradict Passan's report that the offer had been bumped to eight years. And he quickly confirmed Olney's report today on the dollar figure.
He clearly has sources but can get carried away on predictions.
The Mets could also really build some good will with their fans by stepping up to the plate on this one.
More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.
I dont want to link a bunch of tweets but if you go to Heymans account youll see a bunch of things he said earlier that indicate that Phillys preference is likely Harper although hes not sure and doesnt say it outright.
Thank you for the reference.
Looking through Heyman's comments, this one struck me as most to the point:
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Felt like Machado was Phils top choice at one time. Now it seems like its even or maybe a lean toward Harper.
He does follow up with some hunches why Phils might lean Harper but there's no claim of a source indicating a clear preference in that direction.
didn't believe him to be worth 7/175, I can live with that. To me it seems reasonable, but they do a much better job of evaluating talent and value than I do, so I can give them the benefit of a doubt on it.
Having said that, I think it was wrong for them to even court him to begin with. What was the point of meeting with him to begin with? Driving up the price for someone else?
That makes no sense to me. If that's what they were doing, why wouldn't they continue to say they are still interested?
I think if they genuinely thought they were unwilling to go 7/175 then they should have just passed on meeting him.
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop.
It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?
I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
Yes there is plenty of thunder, but what the line-up is missing is a true #3 hitter. Manny seems to be a perfect fit for that. Didi, Voit, and Hicks are not great #3 hitters. Didi and Hicks are too streaky and Voit is still much of an unknown.
The supposed prestige of the #3 spot in a batting order is one of the most overrated things in sports. For one thing, the batting order is only guaranteed to come up exactly as intended once per game. For another, the #3 hitter is more likely to come to the plate with two out and nobody on than he is any other scenario.
That doesn't mean that you punt the #3 spot in the lineup, but it's hardly as important as many seem to think. In fact, the #5 spot is arguably more valuable than #3, and #1, #2, and #4 are all definitely more valuable.
The Yankees gave Jacoby Fuckin' Ellsbury, at age 30, 7/150
What do we know about Cashman - hes typically pretty patient. Its entirely possible hes said to Machados agent call us on Feb 1st with the best offer you have, and well decide then if we want to outbid.
Or, its entirely possible they dont think Machado is the right influence on the younger core like Torres, Andujar, Sanchez, etc.
Or, maybe Hal is really being cheap with long term deals, just bc he wants to or to set the team up for a sale.
But regardless, making any conclusions based on this rumor is silly. It was obviously leaked by someone, probably Machados agent, to stimulate the bidding
7/196; he's 33 at the end. That's really good.
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop.
if that's the "ball park" for Machado, 30 teams should be interested.
I heard talk of a $400M contract for Harper and slightly less for Machado before either hit free agency, if it's anywhere in the low 200's for ~8 years any team with a need at SS or 3B should be involved.
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop.
It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?
I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
Seriously. Short of Machado having someone chained up in his basement, answering questions on why they passed at this price would be difficult at best.
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop.
It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?
I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
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There were a bunch of nuggets that came out earlier today that Harper is their preference now although by how much, we don't know.
Now that the White Sox offer is leaked.
I don't know if $26-$30M per year is worth it...
Can't make this shit up.
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).
Now that the White Sox offer is leaked.
I don't know if $26-$30M per year is worth it...
Can't make this shit up.
Huh? Everyone here is in favor of it
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).
LOL, Im sorry Jon but what?!
The Phillies will get one of them. They clearly favor Harper but if he passes they will sign Machado.
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Yankees attitude on Manny Machado is that while you never say never, its unlikely at this point. They are stacked on infield, and thats before Didi returns (likely in 2nd half).
LOL, Im sorry Jon but what?!
Yeah, that makes no sense. He was on the radio the other day and had not one piece of information to share other than opinions. If that was true then why have Machado in for a visit?
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
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There have been a few articles in the last two days stating that Philly is going all out to land Harper.
If you or Strahan91 wish to link, I'd be happy to review.
The reporter I am aware of who has been most forceful with Harper to Phils is Bob Nightengale and even he qualified that somewhat by tweeting that the Phils will have either Harper or Machado on Opening Day.
Huh? Everyone here is in favor of it
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It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?
I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.
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Lowrie
Machado
Cano
Conforto
Ramos
Rosario
McNeil/Broxton/Lagares/
JdG
Synder
Wheeler
Matz
Vargas
Diaz
Familia
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That team wins 90 games pretty easily, IMO.
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all in on Harper and veering away from Manny. So Manny could be a Yank for the taking
Based on available info, think that's an overstatement. Phils seem to be confident they will get one or the other, but which player they really prefer and how much extra they would pay for the preference, I don't think anyone outside the Phils' FO knows.
Posted this article in the Yankee thread and will re-post here. Philly Voice - ( New Window )
There have been a few articles in the last two days stating that Philly is going all out to land Harper.
If you or Strahan91 wish to link, I'd be happy to review.
The reporter I am aware of who has been most forceful with Harper to Phils is Bob Nightengale and even he qualified that somewhat by tweeting that the Phils will have either Harper or Machado on Opening Day.
I feel like he has been wrong all offseason. Didn't he say the Yanks were definitely getting Machado before or just after the new year?
I wish they had age on here.
More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.
Nimmo
Lowrie
Machado
Cano
Conforto
Ramos
Rosario
McNeil/Broxton/Lagares/
JdG
Synder
Wheeler
Matz
Vargas
Diaz
Familia
Lugo
Gsellman
That team wins 90 games pretty easily, IMO.
Didnt the Mets say very early on in the offseason that hes not their type of player?
Simply pointing out that it's a really reasonable price, a position of need (3B), and a player that could really make them an immediate threat in the NL.
I feel like he has been wrong all offseason. Didn't he say the Yanks were definitely getting Machado before or just after the new year?
At the time of Yanks' meeting with Manny he said they were "enamored" with him and he was "perfect fit." He did not say a signing was going to happen.
Nightengale was the first to report the White Sox seven year offer to Manny. He was the first to contradict Passan's report that the offer had been bumped to eight years. And he quickly confirmed Olney's report today on the dollar figure.
He clearly has sources but can get carried away on predictions.
Actually I believe he said it was the Phils who wouldn't be outspent.
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The Mets could also really build some good will with their fans by stepping up to the plate on this one.
More than just selling a bunch more tickets (which they definitely would), this would be an investment for the brand and really change the narrative surriounding the franchise.
Nimmo
Lowrie
Machado
Cano
Conforto
Ramos
Rosario
McNeil/Broxton/Lagares/
JdG
Synder
Wheeler
Matz
Vargas
Diaz
Familia
Lugo
Gsellman
That team wins 90 games pretty easily, IMO.
Didnt the Mets say very early on in the offseason that hes not their type of player?
yes, then they were linked to trading for Puig.
I believe the "he's not their kind of player" comment was clearly about the expected $$$$.
Thank you for the reference.
Looking through Heyman's comments, this one struck me as most to the point:
Verified account @JonHeyman
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Felt like Machado was Phils top choice at one time. Now it seems like its even or maybe a lean toward Harper.
He does follow up with some hunches why Phils might lean Harper but there's no claim of a source indicating a clear preference in that direction.
Now that the White Sox offer is leaked.
I don't know if $26-$30M per year is worth it...
Can't make this shit up.
Yankee fans? One guy said this.
Having said that, I think it was wrong for them to even court him to begin with. What was the point of meeting with him to begin with? Driving up the price for someone else?
That makes no sense to me. If that's what they were doing, why wouldn't they continue to say they are still interested?
I think if they genuinely thought they were unwilling to go 7/175 then they should have just passed on meeting him.
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If the Yankees can't beat 7/$175M it's time to close up shop.
It would be reasonable for the Yankees to question whether that $26-$30 million per year is worth it. How much more are you going to get from Machado than you are already going to get from Andujar by not spending that money?
I would sooner give some of that money to Keuchel if I'm Cashman. There is plenty of thunder in that lineup.
Yes there is plenty of thunder, but what the line-up is missing is a true #3 hitter. Manny seems to be a perfect fit for that. Didi, Voit, and Hicks are not great #3 hitters. Didi and Hicks are too streaky and Voit is still much of an unknown.
The supposed prestige of the #3 spot in a batting order is one of the most overrated things in sports. For one thing, the batting order is only guaranteed to come up exactly as intended once per game. For another, the #3 hitter is more likely to come to the plate with two out and nobody on than he is any other scenario.
That doesn't mean that you punt the #3 spot in the lineup, but it's hardly as important as many seem to think. In fact, the #5 spot is arguably more valuable than #3, and #1, #2, and #4 are all definitely more valuable.
Or, its entirely possible they dont think Machado is the right influence on the younger core like Torres, Andujar, Sanchez, etc.
Or, maybe Hal is really being cheap with long term deals, just bc he wants to or to set the team up for a sale.
But regardless, making any conclusions based on this rumor is silly. It was obviously leaked by someone, probably Machados agent, to stimulate the bidding