Hypothetical ? - Do we win more games with Brett Jones?

I think he was better than some of the guys who ended up playing at center but not better enough to turn losses into wins. It's a team game, nowhere more so than O-line. The right side of the line would have been the same mess.

I think we're better off with the 7th round pick than we would have been to have had Jones last year

Would have resulted in more wins? Hard too even know what to say to that.

some running room for Barkley. Jones is a liability there.

an extra win for the additional $3M that he would have cost would have been counterproductive. It's not as if having him in the middle there would have added 3-4 wins.

The problem is that money was wasted in FA otherwise. At a bare minimum, even if you assume he wasn't going to start he was better quality depth.

Just adding talent isn't enough in this game. If it was the Eagles dream team would have won more. We have no idea and there really is no reason to overthink this. He was moved more for salary and an asset than anything else.

Gettleman had a few jobs to take care of when he became our GM. It is also not fair to judge him on one year as this was going to take multiple years.

Number one to me was to fix the culture. I think he did exceptionally well in that area.

Second was to increase the talent on this roster. I think he did this too with his draft. I think people need to give him credit for the special teams improvement as well. There were misses but that will happen with every GM. However, this is still a work in progress.

Third is to find the QB of the future. Now, imo, that didn't have to happen last year and also doesn't have to happen this year IF, and I stress IF, the foundation is built for a QB to come in from day one and have a great supporting cast. So, what I mean by that is the OL and running game set up so this kid will have a chance? If that happens next year then it could get pushed off until next year. Is that ideal? No but neither is getting a QB and putting him in a really bad situation where he starts to develop bad habits. So I am okay with either direction. But if we do wait until next year then we may have to really overspend to get our guy because we will be desperate.

So, in the grand scheme of things, Brett Jones was a nice story amd seemed like a good dude but ultimately he wasn't the ideal candidate for us at center and we got something for him while opening up some cap room. I'd say it was the right move. Winning another game or two wasn't going to do us any good. And while I don't know how he performed in Minnesota I do know they took a big step back offensively. Is that fair to put on Jones' shoulders? Of course not. It could be more that Shurmur left than anything else. I just don't think he was a difference maker.

At least he would have gotten the line call right on the pick 6 in the JAX game. And Solder-Hernandez-Jones-Halapio-Flowers or Wheeler would have been a much better line than what we started the season with. We would have had a center who played the position, Halapio would have been at his natural position, and Ommameh would have been on the bench. I doubt we would have gone 1-7 in the first half

as usual, Robbie. Jones was a versatile and serviceable player. I wish we could have kept him but it is what it is.

much spot on in my opinion.

One thing that concerns me is Halapio himself. They seem pretty high on him but did he perform well when he was still playing?

This staff loves Halapio who sucks donkey balls. They won't bring in a FA C or even draft one high. They think he can be the guy and that remains to be seen

a guy who jumps from practice squad to practice squad...was surprised he replaced Jones.....did not look like he performed better in preseason or the first two games.....just surprised that DG is in love with the guy....it was DG who signed Jones to that contract in the first place....

the hell would you know who they will or won't bring in either through the draft or FA??

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For some reason TommyWiseau : 8:15 pm : link : reply This staff loves Halapio who sucks donkey balls. They won't bring in a FA C or even draft one high. They think he can be the guy and that remains to be seen

What the fuck?

Not saying much and he is going to become coming off a broken leg. It will be interesting what they do with the C position in the offseason.

I thought it was Shurmur, not DG.

who never started an NFL game until last year, at RG, for our depleted line, plays less than two games at C and is our best OLman? How much did we spend on Solder?

saying Halapio was the best OL or do you just like to invent things?

is that he battled on every single play. Never gave up.

and 1(?) reg season game at center (ever) before getting injured. So if he sucked it was lack of experience. But the staff must have seen enough improvement to keep playing him and trade Jones.
They may very well not sign a FA center. They may draft one. I don't know the condition of his injured leg. I hope they get another center, but the staff may deem RT more important to fix. There are a lot of holes to fix abd you fix the worst first. My guess is Wheeler is deemed the biggest problem followed by C and RG.

If we had kept an OL of Solder-Hernandez-Jones-Hilapio-Wheeler to START the season and just cut Flowers we'd have been better off for the year, I think. But that assumes no one got hurt and such.

We know Hilapio got hurt early and there is no way for us to know what his upside truly is at this point.

To answer the opening question, I think we'd have been better with Jones; however, I'm not sure that would have meant more wins or not? Maybe, as we lost some close games. We'll just never truly know now, will we?

I don't think that's accurate.

He got pushed back a lot -- thing is he didn't give up when he got pushed back

the giants theory has always been bigger is better

that's why they are the Giants

Jones doesn't play defense I doubt they would have had more wins

Do we win more games with Brett Jones and DJ Fluker? The two of them got a lot of playing time together and they clearly made our line much better. They both deserved to be retained & re-signed, but neither got a chance. Jones was never really allowed to compete in camp. He never got snaps with the 1st unit.

We could've left Omameh at his established LG position and if we still wanted to draft Hernandez they could've let him learn other positions before earning a starting spot. My guess is that in this scenario we draft a guy like Braden Smith for RT instead.

Solder-Omameh-Jones-Fluker-B.Smith would have been a good way to go IMHO.

DG is slipping if he thinks he's quality starting material...and it worries me. Jones was and is the better player.

In comment 14265902 robbieballs2003 said:

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Just adding talent isn't enough in this game. If it was the Eagles dream team would have won more. We have no idea and there really is no reason to overthink this. He was moved more for salary and an asset than anything else. Gettleman had a few jobs to take care of when he became our GM. It is also not fair to judge him on one year as this was going to take multiple years. Number one to me was to fix the culture. I think he did exceptionally well in that area. Second was to increase the talent on this roster. I think he did this too with his draft. I think people need to give him credit for the special teams improvement as well. There were misses but that will happen with every GM. However, this is still a work in progress. Third is to find the QB of the future. Now, imo, that didn't have to happen last year and also doesn't have to happen this year IF, and I stress IF, the foundation is built for a QB to come in from day one and have a great supporting cast. So, what I mean by that is the OL and running game set up so this kid will have a chance? If that happens next year then it could get pushed off until next year. Is that ideal? No but neither is getting a QB and putting him in a really bad situation where he starts to develop bad habits. So I am okay with either direction. But if we do wait until next year then we may have to really overspend to get our guy because we will be desperate. So, in the grand scheme of things, Brett Jones was a nice story amd seemed like a good dude but ultimately he wasn't the ideal candidate for us at center and we got something for him while opening up some cap room. I'd say it was the right move. Winning another game or two wasn't going to do us any good. And while I don't know how he performed in Minnesota I do know they took a big step back offensively. Is that fair to put on Jones' shoulders? Of course not. It could be more that Shurmur left than anything else. I just don't think he was a difference maker.

He started 3 games for the Vikes while Elfien was hurt. Otherwise didn't really see the field, even at OG, despite the Vikes OL being near the bottom of the league.

In comment 14265904 Mike in Boston said:

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At least he would have gotten the line call right on the pick 6 in the JAX game. And Solder-Hernandez-Jones-Halapio-Flowers or Wheeler would have been a much better line than what we started the season with. We would have had a center who played the position, Halapio would have been at his natural position, and Ommameh would have been on the bench. I doubt we would have gone 1-7 in the first half

Doubt it. Halapio had beaten Jones out for the starting C role and there was little to no indication that they liked Jones at RG over Omameh.

Jones would've (maybe) provided a slightly better option for the ~6 games that Greco started/played, but he's the same quality of player as Pulley.

Like jcn said, the draft pick and $3M in savings is worth significantly more than Jones' on field play.

than the Jones revisionist history. Jones is a quality backup C, not a long term solution at C. And it's not just DG that liked Halapio, Shurmur was a fan too and that's why he was ahead of Jones on the depth chart pretty much all preseason.

For the record, Fluker played in only 10 games with the Seahawks last season. So while he might've been OK during those games, you would've had a backup playing down the stretch for almost half the season.

That is some dumb shit right there.