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SPOILER ALERT: NGT Dumbest player rules question EVER

GiantSteps : 1/16/2019 10:10 pm
You've been warned. I'm wondering if anyone has the answer to this, though.


From what I understand, when an NFL player lives in/visits a city where weed is legal, they are still not allowed to partake. My dumbass question is: does that [contractually speaking] extend into the offseason?


One guess as to why that question occurs to me at this moment, my big blue bitchezzzz Eli4Lyfe
Yes.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/16/2019 10:15 pm : link
The NFL drug policy is a joke. The players know the window in which they can get tested. I forgot what the window is but it is like 3 months. For those players that have failed a drug test they can be tested at any point. Please correct me if I am wrong but that is my knowledge.
its not that dumb of a rule  
outeiroj : 1/16/2019 11:02 pm : link
... plenty of employers require employees to not do drugs, and regardless of what team a player plays for, the nfl is a national company and weed is still illegal on a federal level.

regardless of anyone's views of weed, no players are being forced against their will to play in the nfl, if they want to do drugs they can leave whenever they want
I recently  
mattyblue : 1/16/2019 11:19 pm : link
saw a story about a guy who got fired for failing a drug test in Colorado and is suing the company. He worked for a large company and I want to say it was a rental car company like Hertz or something like that. I am not a lawyer so I have no idea about what’s allowed and not employment wise, but after I read it I thought about how it will certainly have to change in the NFL eventually. Who cares if a football player smokes weed nowadays?
I'm all for the legalization of Marijuana  
B in ALB : 1/16/2019 11:27 pm : link
Especially in NY as Cuomo has promised.

I'm not sure how teams handle this as employers in states where it's legal. As the governing body, does the NFL have final say? Or has the players union trumped that?

It's pretty cloudy to me.

That said, I would rather see an athlete use Marijuana to deal with pain and injury rather than opioids and prescription drugs. We've seen the benefits of the former, but the money made by the latter trumps all apparently. Pathetic.
It’s absolute bullshit that marijuana is a schedule 1 ‘drug’  
Hsilwek92 : 1/17/2019 12:26 am : link
considered as dangerous as heroin, yet, percocet, vicodin, codine, etc have been handed out like candy by physicians for years.
I'm pretty most NFL players know when the tests are  
ZogZerg : 1/17/2019 6:33 am : link
(except those dopes who tested positive).
So, they can still smoke the weed and take a break before their tests.
Since it hasn’t been answered  
bhill410 : 1/17/2019 6:54 am : link
1) it’s negotiated in Cba so yes (no different than visiting Amsterdam) and 2) I can’t see them modifying that mid cba since it’s still federally illegal which for all purposes still makes it illegal in country (until there is a challenge from a state on this point similar to say sports gambling)

From what I have heard there is a desire to not have this in next cba so in a couple of years should be a moot point.
I've been in the Navy for 36 years  
rebel yell : 1/17/2019 7:08 am : link
get paid about 10% of what the lowest paid player in the NFL makes and have been able to not use illegal drugs for almost four decades. Cry me a fucking river. Until it's legal, don't do it. How hard is it to follow the rules?
RE: I've been in the Navy for 36 years  
ron mexico : 1/17/2019 7:42 am : link
In comment 14266101 rebel yell said:
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get paid about 10% of what the lowest paid player in the NFL makes and have been able to not use illegal drugs for almost four decades. Cry me a fucking river. Until it's legal, don't do it. How hard is it to follow the rules?


Do you get drug tested? Honest question
Not that it's relevant to the NFL  
pjcas18 : 1/17/2019 7:44 am : link
but I just started a new job for an employer who required a drug test.

I live in MA where recreational marijuana is legal. It said right on the drug screen form I had to fill out (my words)

"we don't care if you live in a state where marijuana is legal for recreational purposes, it's not legal federally and a positive test would need to be considered when determining your employment"

And this is a white collar sales job, not a machine operator or something where there could be an impact. I wasn't worried about passing, but I thought it was BS.

Also, to fail the NFL drug screen you have to almost try to fail it.

You get tested once each off-season and not until after 4/20 (ironic, yes).

So all you need to do in the NFL is not smoke marijuana from early to mid April (not sure how long it shows up on a test) until you're tested and then once you're tested you can smoke all you want, even during the season (from what I believe).

I expect the drug policy will be a tool used in the next CBA negotiation.
I'm in the federal employment boat  
ray in arlington : 1/17/2019 8:09 am : link
so I've been drug tested since I was 20 (35 years ago). So no marijuana for me. Can't say I've seen it in 30 years except at some concerts.
Basically its a set up for class action.....  
WideRight : 1/17/2019 8:16 am : link

Employee gets screwed by inconsistences between state and federal law. I'm sure labar law has had to deal with this sort of problem for hundreds of years and there is precedent favoring both sides. If I were the NFL, I would stay clear of this, as its obvious where society is going, and someone is going to get stuck with alot of stupid legal expenses.
There is no potential for class action  
pjcas18 : 1/17/2019 8:22 am : link
the NFL players have a contract (CBA), negotiated, agreed to and governed on their behalf by the NFL PA.

The drug policy is clear.
The NFL is a private organziation  
Mike from Ohio : 1/17/2019 8:45 am : link
they are free to make whatever rules they want in conjunction with the player's union. If part of the CBA states that they forbid players from using marijuana, that is their right. No different than any other private employer like a doctor's office, law firm or bank. Many banned supplements are legal also. The NFL has a right to say players can't use them.

Now I don't know the specifics of the rule as it relates to the NFL, but whether you agree with the prohibition on marijuana or not, the NFL certainly has a right to tell players they can't use it while they are employees of the NFL, even in states where it is legal.
B..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/17/2019 8:47 am : link
because there is a CBA in place, it trumps local laws:

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I'm all for the legalization of Marijuana
B in ALB : 1/16/2019 11:27 pm : link : reply
Especially in NY as Cuomo has promised.

I'm not sure how teams handle this as employers in states where it's legal. As the governing body, does the NFL have final say? Or has the players union trumped that?


Basically, every player has agreed to obey the drug policy of the league, no matter if they are in Denver or if they are Rastafarian.
RE: Not that it's relevant to the NFL  
Bill L : 1/17/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14266117 pjcas18 said:
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but I just started a new job for an employer who required a drug test.

I live in MA where recreational marijuana is legal. It said right on the drug screen form I had to fill out (my words)

"we don't care if you live in a state where marijuana is legal for recreational purposes, it's not legal federally and a positive test would need to be considered when determining your employment"

And this is a white collar sales job, not a machine operator or something where there could be an impact. I wasn't worried about passing, but I thought it was BS.

Also, to fail the NFL drug screen you have to almost try to fail it.

You get tested once each off-season and not until after 4/20 (ironic, yes).

So all you need to do in the NFL is not smoke marijuana from early to mid April (not sure how long it shows up on a test) until you're tested and then once you're tested you can smoke all you want, even during the season (from what I believe).

I expect the drug policy will be a tool used in the next CBA negotiation.


If it were federally legal, would an employer be able to use it as a hiring (or even retention) criterion? Honestly I hope so. Not that I care if it's legal or not, but I don't think it's BS. Rather I think an employer should be able to set his own standards in this regard.
Bill L  
pjcas18 : 1/17/2019 8:57 am : link
It is my understanding as long as it's not discriminatory a private employer can make any hiring policy they want.

During my interview process I met with a company who said to even get an interview each candidate that passed the initial screening HAS to take the Wonderlic test and get over a 40. I got a 39 (I only even answered 40 questions in the allotted 15 minutes - clearly I was caught off guard - it's not a simple test) and I was not even allowed to interview. Period.

There is obviously no law that says people need a 40 on the Wonderlic test to be employed so sure if marijuana is determined federally legal I would imagine private employers could still require drug screens and not hire people who test positive for marijuana.

I personally believe it is BS because using marijuana recreationally IMO is not different or not worse than using alcohol, and marijuana stays in your system long after use.

Just my opinion, but if I were interested in a job that required no marijuana use and I wanted the job I wouldn't use marijuana.

that simple. but federally legal or not, I believe employers could still not hire you, if you use it.

Most employers I have worked for that required drug screens do not conduct regular drug tests though, it's usually only a condition of employment - so NFL is slightly different there.

just my opinions, I'm not an expert.
RE: Bill L  
ray in arlington : 1/17/2019 9:09 am : link
In comment 14266203 pjcas18 said:
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Most employers I have worked for that required drug screens do not conduct regular drug tests though, it's usually only a condition of employment - so NFL is slightly different there.

just my opinions, I'm not an expert.


Where I live there are a lot of people with security clearances that could be subject to regular drug tests - either federal employees or people working for private companies with government contracts. So I think it is pretty common here.
RE: RE: Bill L  
pjcas18 : 1/17/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14266223 ray in arlington said:
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In comment 14266203 pjcas18 said:


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Most employers I have worked for that required drug screens do not conduct regular drug tests though, it's usually only a condition of employment - so NFL is slightly different there.

just my opinions, I'm not an expert.



Where I live there are a lot of people with security clearances that could be subject to regular drug tests - either federal employees or people working for private companies with government contracts. So I think it is pretty common here.


Great point.

I'm sure there are lot of jobs (pilot, for example) who are regularly drug tested.

I was only sharing my own experience about what I thought was BS. In some jobs it makes perfect sense that you get regularly screened for drug use, and those IMO are different than drug screens, done as a one time event, that are a condition of employment. That is what I was saying I thought was BS.
RE: Not that it's relevant to the NFL  
bradshaw44 : 1/17/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14266117 pjcas18 said:
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but I just started a new job for an employer who required a drug test.

I live in MA where recreational marijuana is legal. It said right on the drug screen form I had to fill out (my words)

"we don't care if you live in a state where marijuana is legal for recreational purposes, it's not legal federally and a positive test would need to be considered when determining your employment"

And this is a white collar sales job, not a machine operator or something where there could be an impact. I wasn't worried about passing, but I thought it was BS.

Also, to fail the NFL drug screen you have to almost try to fail it.

You get tested once each off-season and not until after 4/20 (ironic, yes).

So all you need to do in the NFL is not smoke marijuana from early to mid April (not sure how long it shows up on a test) until you're tested and then once you're tested you can smoke all you want, even during the season (from what I believe).

I expect the drug policy will be a tool used in the next CBA negotiation.



For the average lazy American weed stays in the system about a month. The THC attaches to the fat cells in the body. For a person that works out and has minimal body fat it can be out of their system in about 3 days. So it's crazy to me that anyone would get caught if the rules are as you say they are.

If the smoker is habitual and uses it daily the time in the system increases of course.
That is exactly what the NFL policy is  
pjcas18 : 1/17/2019 11:13 am : link
for those people not in the NFL intervention program already.

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Players outside the “intervention program”—those who’ve never had a violation—are tested just once a year. Anyone under contract is tested once between April 20 (yup: 4/20) and Aug. 9. The player is given at most a three-hour warning before being visited by a collector, who must directly witness the player providing the urine sample.


There is deadspin article linked below describing how easy it is to beat the NFL marijuana policy
Link - ( New Window )
RE: That is exactly what the NFL policy is  
robbieballs2003 : 1/17/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14266440 pjcas18 said:
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for those people not in the NFL intervention program already.



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Players outside the “intervention program”—those who’ve never had a violation—are tested just once a year. Anyone under contract is tested once between April 20 (yup: 4/20) and Aug. 9. The player is given at most a three-hour warning before being visited by a collector, who must directly witness the player providing the urine sample.



There is deadspin article linked below describing how easy it is to beat the NFL marijuana policy Link - ( New Window )


Exactly. I call it an IQ test or a dependency/addiction test because, imo, you are either stupid or have some kind of addiction to fail the NFL's drug test.
RE: RE: I've been in the Navy for 36 years  
rebel yell : 1/17/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14266116 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14266101 rebel yell said:


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get paid about 10% of what the lowest paid player in the NFL makes and have been able to not use illegal drugs for almost four decades. Cry me a fucking river. Until it's legal, don't do it. How hard is it to follow the rules?



Do you get drug tested? Honest question

Absolutely. Randomly and on average once a month, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I am subject to random tests  
TJ : 1/17/2019 7:44 pm : link
I work for a national company and they made it clear a couple years ago that being legal in your state won't make a difference for a positive marijuana result.

As a practical matter I'm not aware of any tests that are actually random. After the initial test on hiring the only people who get tested are those whose managers suspect a problem. A positive test does not require termination but it does sanction it.
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