Systems are down at work so I'm bored. Anybody want to talk about the NFL Draft?
Who are your favorite players? Some guys you like after Day 1?
What do you think the Giants will do with the 6th pick? What do you want them to do?
JonC or Hitdog any info on who they like
I know it's early, but I'm hoping you got something.
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He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent.
I wonder if Gary can play the 5T, 4-3 DE and a 3-4 rush OLB. Talk about scheme versatility. It would be like having Richard Seymour and Willie McGinest in one player.
Many expect him to run 4.6 at 280lbs.
I think he can. The question is can he play the OLB spot with the type of upside pass rush that makes him worthy of the pick, imv. When you watch him on film, the burst off the edge and lateral ability to really up the ball carrier on the edge leaps out.
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He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent. Also like Greg Little. Hard to not love White but not sure he'll rank that high as an ILB, not interested so far in Haskins at #6.
Allen has to demonstrate some power ability, can he set the edge and anchor versus the run, can he hand fight and disengage from OL, etc.
Greg Little was very inconsistent at Ole Miss, I would never take him at # 6.. Gary is again all about projection he looks the part but is already dealing with injuries and I’m not sure if he ever played like a top 10 pick
The questions on both prospects are legit.
He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.
As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?
Some team is sure to trade up ahead of the Giants for Haskins.
He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.
As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?
I suspect the Giants will like him but not move and someone will grab him before #6.
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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.
He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.
As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?
Some team is sure to trade up ahead of the Giants for Haskins.
Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.
The Jags are really the only real threat as of now. Is a team gonna really wanna move from 2-4 all the way to the Broncos at 10, Fins at 13 or Skins at 15?
Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.
Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?
Dalton Risner in the 2nd. Assuming we bring back Brown at RG (which I am torn on), that would make our OL look like this. Ages when season starts in parentheses.
Solder (31)
Hernandez (24)
Risner (24)
Brown (26) or Halapio (28)
Williams (27)
I like Dalton Risner a lot. I know some here hate when versatility is mentioned in regard to an offensive linemen because they think of Pugh but Risner is very versatile. He is a better prospect than Pugh IMO. The Giants will more than likely add at least a C or RT in free agency and they could address the other in round 2 with Risner, David Edwards, Andre Dillard, or Yodny Cajuste. Risner played extremely well at center a few years ago before moving outside. Risner could play center or guard early in his career and then kick outside to left tackle when Solder is let go.
I think David Edwards is the best fit for the Giants but any of them would be good additions. Edwards has great size and he is the best run blocker of the four but he doesn't have the feet to play LT.
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Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.
Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?
Having other holes shouldn’t trump getting a QB you like. If the conviction for a QB is there than go get him. If not, stay put and take a playmaker or drop back a bit to “plug more holes”. All options should be on the table.
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Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.
Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?
If the Giants feel he is a franchise QB then it is more than worth it to trade up for him. The cap room they would save from having Haskins as their starter would allow them to spend in free agency to fill holes.
I dont know if Haskins is going to be the guy of the future. But I do know that trading up has a lot of negatives that go with it. This draft is deep in interior lineman. I would hate to pass one of those up.
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with regards to FA. Daryl Williams seems like the perfect fit. But the reasoning that he is coming off an injury and will command a cheap contract is likely not happening. There is a dearth of talent of capable starters and plenty of teams will be flush with cash to bid for his services.
Case in point is Justin Pugh. A man who is capable, but never distinguished himself from his peers- not a single pro-bowl in his career (not even a replacement for a alternate). Hurt every year missing multiple games except for his rookie year. His last year here, he missed a half a season. Yet, he earned a $9M/yr contract with the Cards.
Can't look at the total money. The media put out that he got 5 years and 45 million. The contract is essentially a 3 year deal worth 25 million.
RTs are also making less then RGs.
The highest paid RTs are
11.2
9.5
8.1
8
7.7
The highest paid RGs are
14
12
11.2
11
10
But the idea of a cheap contract is a fallacy. 2 months ago there was a discussion on Jamon's value. Some chiming in that $3M/yr would be appropriate. Yet, when you look at Spotrac's valuation based on similar starting players, it pegged him in the $7M/yr. I opined that if we could get him for $5M/yr, we should lock him up as that is one less hole to be filled via the draft. Of course, that won't stop the hand-wringing on BBI to criticize DG for not knowing what he is doing.
1. DT Quinnen Williams (Alabama)
2. ER Nick Bosa (Ohio State)
3. ER Josh Allen (Kentucky)
4. ILB Devin White (LSU)
And then some combination of Greg Little, MAYBE Jonah Williams, Clelin Ferrell, Ed Oliver Jr., Byron Murphy Jr. and Jachai Polite. Need to see more of Haskins. No Kyler.
I dont know if Haskins is going to be the guy of the future. But I do know that trading up has a lot of negatives that go with it. This draft is deep in interior lineman. I would hate to pass one of those up.
You're twisting my words. I didn't say to build the team through free agency. QB is the most important position to fill. Now if the Giants like Haskins then they should trade up if necessary in order to secure his rights. If you're not a fan of Haskins that's fine but let's not pretend that finding a good QB is easy. I really want Jake Fromm next year but I doubt the Giants will be in position to grab him. If the Giants don't like Haskins, Murray, etc then either grab a pass rusher or trade down.
Now if the Giants do get Haskins they would have the room to address the offensive line by adding someone like Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, Donovan Smith, Matt Paradis, Mitch Morse, etc.
I'm not saying he's a better prospect than Mayfield, Darnold, Allen or Rosen but he seems to be the best fit amongst them when it comes to the things Gettlemen and Shurmur have mentioned they look for. He also likely needs to be brought along slowly so they can bring Eli back to finish out his contract while Haskins learns.
I'm not saying he's a better prospect than Mayfield, Darnold, Allen or Rosen but he seems to be the best fit amongst them when it comes to the things Gettlemen and Shurmur have mentioned they look for. He also likely needs to be brought along slowly so they can bring Eli back to finish out his contract while Haskins learns.
Agree with your all your points except being a better prospect than Mayfield or Darnold.
Agree with your all your points except being a better prospect than Mayfield or Darnold.
I made it a point to say I'm *not* saying he's a better prospect, just a better fit for what the Giants seem to be looking for both skillset wise and personality wise
QB Jones could land into this area as well as alot of good LBs/DEs that will be gone by 37. Just say'in, don't want to blow their 1st on QB if someone jumps in front for Haskins.
Would love a pass rusher at 6 and QB/OL at mid 20s.
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Free Agency is disaster 101. You use FA to plug holes that you need to compete. We arent close to competing. We are stuck with some bad long term deals by overspending.
I dont know if Haskins is going to be the guy of the future. But I do know that trading up has a lot of negatives that go with it. This draft is deep in interior lineman. I would hate to pass one of those up.
You're twisting my words. I didn't say to build the team through free agency. QB is the most important position to fill. Now if the Giants like Haskins then they should trade up if necessary in order to secure his rights. If you're not a fan of Haskins that's fine but let's not pretend that finding a good QB is easy. I really want Jake Fromm next year but I doubt the Giants will be in position to grab him. If the Giants don't like Haskins, Murray, etc then either grab a pass rusher or trade down.
Now if the Giants do get Haskins they would have the room to address the offensive line by adding someone like Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, Donovan Smith, Matt Paradis, Mitch Morse, etc.
Didnt mean to twist words, sorry. I am just not an advocate of signing players to huge deals anymore. They rarely seem to work out for us.
Again, I am not trying to shit on Haskins. If they take him, then lets go Dwayne. But IMO, the lines need to be adressed first. I hate to pass up on a Gary or Oliver or Jonah WIlliams and then try to scramble to find lesser players to fill voids.
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Agree with your all your points except being a better prospect than Mayfield or Darnold.
I made it a point to say I'm *not* saying he's a better prospect, just a better fit for what the Giants seem to be looking for both skillset wise and personality wise
Got it.
QB Jones could land into this area as well as alot of good LBs/DEs that will be gone by 37. Just say'in, don't want to blow their 1st on QB if someone jumps in front for Haskins.
Would love a pass rusher at 6 and QB/OL at mid 20s.
I like your idea of somehow gaining another 1st rd pick.
Ditto. I think he's extremely sound and very versatile
ER
CB
WR
Only exception would be if there's a long term LT prospect. I like Jenkins and Haley, but Beal is an unknown and you can always use another top CB.
And as Eric pointed out in another thread, after Beckham and Shepard there's not much at WR. Considering SS is a FA after this season, WR is definitely a need, though they may choose to use the mid-rounds to look for depth.
I don't see them going ILB at #6. It's rare for an ILB to go top 10 to anyone and I can't even remember the last time the Giants took an ILB in the 1st round period. IIRC, only 3 ILBs have gone in the top 10 in the past decade+ (Smith, Keuchly, McClain) and none higher than #8.
6
35
38
60
64
Or whatever the fuck it turns out as:
DT
DE/OLB
ILB/FS
C/G
Corner/FS
Personally, I would advocate keep both 6 and 38, and trade to ADD a few more around 35 though 50.
Multiple near top of Rd 2 as opposed to moving up.from. 38. And as opposed to all 11.
Personally, I would advocate keep both 6 and 38, and trade to ADD a few more around 35 though 50.
Multiple near top of Rd 2 as opposed to moving up.from. 38. And as opposed to all 11.
I hear you - I just currently like a few mid 20s guys right now that I think will not be there at 37. April is a long way off though.
One might very easily get a 'top 15 any other year" DT at 38 this year . Easily and probably.
SO...is there an ILB or DE/OLB that's worth the 6?
If one blinds oneself to offense in this draft, the leverage is there at front 7 yo really play it.
Played at a high level at RT. Some people have him projected to center. I have linked a really good article about the game Risner squared off with Sweat. Risner has NFL strong hands already. Lonk - ( New Window )
Pro day performances mean very little. In fact the interviews and condition of the player mean more than the actual on field performance.
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Free Agency is disaster 101. You use FA to plug holes that you need to compete. We arent close to competing. We are stuck with some bad long term deals by overspending.
I dont know if Haskins is going to be the guy of the future. But I do know that trading up has a lot of negatives that go with it. This draft is deep in interior lineman. I would hate to pass one of those up.
You're twisting my words. I didn't say to build the team through free agency. QB is the most important position to fill. Now if the Giants like Haskins then they should trade up if necessary in order to secure his rights. If you're not a fan of Haskins that's fine but let's not pretend that finding a good QB is easy. I really want Jake Fromm next year but I doubt the Giants will be in position to grab him. If the Giants don't like Haskins, Murray, etc then either grab a pass rusher or trade down.
Now if the Giants do get Haskins they would have the room to address the offensive line by adding someone like Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, Donovan Smith, Matt Paradis, Mitch Morse, etc.
Didnt mean to twist words, sorry. I am just not an advocate of signing players to huge deals anymore. They rarely seem to work out for us.
Again, I am not trying to shit on Haskins. If they take him, then lets go Dwayne. But IMO, the lines need to be adressed first. I hate to pass up on a Gary or Oliver or Jonah WIlliams and then try to scramble to find lesser players to fill voids.
Don't worry about it. I am not a fan of going wild in free agency either. With that said the Giants could draft Haskins and still improve the offensive line. Solders play last season improved dramatically when Jamon Brown arrived. Solder is very good at forcing pass rushers out of harms way behind the QB but when there is no pocket that often resulted in pressure on Eli.
Will Hernandez is a long term building block and he should see a few pro bowls in the near future. Jamon Brown was up and down but a big upgrade over Greco and Omameh. If he returns I think he will be more consistent if the Giants add a better C and RT. IMO center is the biggest need on the line. I expect the Giants to add a starter at one position in free agency plus a guard to compete with Brown or replace him if he doesn't return. In round 2 I think the Giants will come away with David Edwards, Dalton Risner, Yodny Cajuste. I doubt he will be available but if Cody Ford falls out of round 1 I would love to see the Giants trade up to the top spot in round 2 to get him. Ford has all-pro potential at G and he is also an excellent RT also.
With several mid round picks I hope that the Giants use one on a center as well as a developmental OT to groom behind Solder. Gettleman has had far more success finding offensive linemen than Reese did. Let's hope that he can find another Trai Turner, Daryl Williams, or Andrew Norwell types with these mid to late round picks.
Anyone know much about him? I get he plays in the FBS but comes from the same school as Wentz and had equal if not more success.
Anyone know much about him? I get he plays in the FBS but comes from the same school as Wentz and had equal if not more success.
Reports coming out of Shrine game haven't been positive - weak armed and inaccurate. Maybe it's just a bad week but it's not encouraging.
in the 2nd round come away with a starter on the O-line
David Edwards would be a nice fit and I think we will go
hard after Daryl Williams and I wouldn't mind
taking Matt Paradis to me Halapio might not be the answer
at Center Sy mentioned plenty of talent at Center in the draft
Come away with Two Prospects Starters in the Draft add Williams and our O-line could be a strength for a change .
Jonah Williams only Offensive player I would consider
at Six . Rather get the often injured Vernon some help as he is virtually our only pass rusher we have enough lower
round picks to move up into the third round as well .
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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.
He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.
As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?
Some team is sure to trade up ahead of the Giants for Haskins.
I, for one, certainly hope that happens. I want no part of Haskins. ER -- great. Devin White -- OK. OL -- nobody worth #6. Kyler Murray -- could be... but DG is not ballsy enough to take that chance.
I am not for or against it personally, but if you want to grab a 2020 QB odds are it will most likely cost a great deal more to move up. Even though we have had #2 last year and #6 this year doesn’t mean we even end up in the top 10 next year. I find thinking next years class will be better than this years is dangerous. Mostly they are always a gamble on some level. If there was a “Luck” type of prospect a lot of teams would want him. You have to judge the QB in front of you and decide if he is worth it or he isn’t.
If Haskins is there at #6 and he is BPA available, well take him. But knowing the NFL, some team is going to move up for him and a good defensive player will drop into our lap at #6. I see us going Defense Round #1 and OL round #2 and both better start and perform if we want to grow as a team.
Somehow missed this earlier. Love the little I've seen from him. How do you think he fits on this Giant team? Can he play on the outside?
Anyone know much about him? I get he plays in the FBS but comes from the same school as Wentz and had equal if not more success.
I’ve seen him play. Actually a decent arm and he’s athletic.
But he’s got this kamikaze running style where he takes on defenders like he’s Earl Campbell. He’s fearless. I like the mobility but that style will get him destroyed in the NFL.
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Caught a million passes in college, great route runner, great hands, and a former running back that is good after the catch. Guy has "Wes Welker" written all over him.
Somehow missed this earlier. Love the little I've seen from him. How do you think he fits on this Giant team? Can he play on the outside?
PFF take on Isabella ....
6. Andy Isabella, Wide Receiver, UMass
We at Pro Football Focus didn’t think there was a better season by a receiver all year long and our vote for the Biletnikoff Award went to Isabella. All he did in 2018 was lead the nation in overall grade (93.2), receiving grade (93.8), yards (1,695) and combined first-down and touchdown receptions (68). He was a threat with the ball in his hands just as much as he was a threat to get open even against the best competition, something he put on display against Georgia in UMass’ biggest game of the season. Against the vaunted Bulldogs secondary, Isabella went for 15 receptions, 219 yards, four first downs and two touchdowns. It wasn’t just against the second-stringers that Georgia put on the field either, he hauled in both receptions when he went one-on-one against Deandre Baker, all four passes against Richard Lecounte and even bested freshman sensation Tyson Campbell for an 11-yard gain. Isabella deserved the praise of the highest extent and was more than deserving of all his accolades.
The 101 best players in college football from 2018 - ( New Window )
They’re outside. He’s more comparable to Gerald McCoy and Fletcher Cox.