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Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 7:49 am
Systems are down at work so I'm bored. Anybody want to talk about the NFL Draft?

Who are your favorite players? Some guys you like after Day 1?

What do you think the Giants will do with the 6th pick? What do you want them to do?

JonC or Hitdog any info on who they like
I know it's early, but I'm hoping you got something.
Give me a pass rusher in the first round  
Jints in Carolina : 1/17/2019 7:50 am : link
we desperately need a pass rusher.
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Jints in Carolina : 1/17/2019 7:52 am : link
Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio State.
Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson.
Josh Allen, LB, Kentucky.
Rashan Gary, DE, Michigan.
Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State.
Jachai Polite, DE, Florida.
Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech.
RE: Give me a pass rusher in the first round  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 7:57 am : link
In comment 14266123 Jints in Carolina said:
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we desperately need a pass rusher.


Yeah if we don't go QB then I'd like Josh Allen at 6. Possibly even in a trade up. I think Allen & Carter could wreak havoc for many years.
RE: Give me a pass rusher in the first round  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 7:58 am : link
In comment 14266123 Jints in Carolina said:
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we desperately need a pass rusher.


Yeah if we don't go QB then I'd like Josh Allen at 6. Possibly even in a trade up. I think Allen & Carter could wreak havoc for many years.
I'm really warming up to QB in round 1  
UConn4523 : 1/17/2019 8:12 am : link
didn't think I would but I like the options more and more each day that passes. That said if we aren't sold on one this looks like its finally the year that can break our way with a pass rusher "falling" to us at 6.

If one of the above happens I'd like to then focus on adding another starter to the OL (Center or RT), and if we need to use our 3rd or 4th to move up in the 2nd or back into the 1st, id be fine with doing so.

We absolutely need to come away with 2 more starters who contribute week 1 (unless we take a QB who sits). From there, just take BPA, we need good players everywhere.
Giants must addtess  
George from PA : 1/17/2019 8:19 am : link
ER
RT
RG
FS
LB

Elephant in the room and eventually the most important

QB


I dont care if its in FA or draft. Draft seems loke 1st rd talent is ER or QB.

Now, i am not sure Giants have luxury to trade up in the 1st as there will be a stud at 6.

They need their draft picks, but they can use some of their later rd picks to go after someone in the 2nd, 4th, 5th.
Dalton Risner in the 2nd  
Capt. Don : 1/17/2019 8:20 am : link
I think there will be excellent value at OT in the 2nd round. That being said, I really think we go hard after Daryl Williams so I will shift that focus to center. I am probably in the minority here but I hope they give Halapio a chance to push Brown at RG and also be our backup center.

Dalton Risner in the 2nd. Assuming we bring back Brown at RG (which I am torn on), that would make our OL look like this. Ages when season starts in parentheses.

Solder (31)
Hernandez (24)
Risner (24)
Brown (26) or Halapio (28)
Williams (27)
RE: I'm really warming up to QB in round 1  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 8:23 am : link
In comment 14266139 UConn4523 said:
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didn't think I would but I like the options more and more each day that passes. That said if we aren't sold on one this looks like its finally the year that can break our way with a pass rusher "falling" to us at 6.

If one of the above happens I'd like to then focus on adding another starter to the OL (Center or RT), and if we need to use our 3rd or 4th to move up in the 2nd or back into the 1st, id be fine with doing so.

We absolutely need to come away with 2 more starters who contribute week 1 (unless we take a QB who sits). From there, just take BPA, we need good players everywhere.


I'm hoping we address RT in free agency. Darryl Williams just seems like such a perfect fit. He's a Gettleman guy. Coming off an injury so his contract shouldn't be too high.

I'm honestly not sure if they replace Halapio or Brown. I would definitely try to replace both, but I'm not sure if they will. I still think our OL could be solid with Solder-Hernandez-Halapio-Brown-Williams.
Way too early  
JonC : 1/17/2019 8:26 am : link
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Really hoping  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 8:28 am : link
A team in the top 5 falls in love with Kyler Murray. Don't think the Giants would even contemplate drafting him, but if he goes top 5 it pushes another player down to us.

I'm not sure how to feel about him. His highlights look good, but I just don't know if a QB of his stature can succeed in the NFL.
RE: Way too early  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 8:30 am : link
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Yeah I figured it was. Do you think an off ball LB like Devin White is a realistic possibility at 6?
RE: Way too early  
Capt. Don : 1/17/2019 8:31 am : link
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Its way too early to talk about the draft on a football board? Why?

What will happen if a bunch of Giants fans talk about the draft two full weeks after the season is over?
Haskins  
ryanmkeane : 1/17/2019 8:34 am : link
and White are my two guys
RE: RE: Way too early  
JonC : 1/17/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14266157 Big Rick in FL said:
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Yeah I figured it was. Do you think an off ball LB like Devin White is a realistic possibility at 6?


I don't think they should look ILB that high, but DG did trade for Ogletree.
RE: RE: Way too early  
JonC : 1/17/2019 8:38 am : link
In comment 14266158 Capt. Don said:
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Its way too early to talk about the draft on a football board? Why?

What will happen if a bunch of Giants fans talk about the draft two full weeks after the season is over?


Too early to hear much info on my end. Relax.
I think people need to temper their expectations  
Diver_Down : 1/17/2019 8:38 am : link
with regards to FA. Daryl Williams seems like the perfect fit. But the reasoning that he is coming off an injury and will command a cheap contract is likely not happening. There is a dearth of talent of capable starters and plenty of teams will be flush with cash to bid for his services.

Case in point is Justin Pugh. A man who is capable, but never distinguished himself from his peers- not a single pro-bowl in his career (not even a replacement for a alternate). Hurt every year missing multiple games except for his rookie year. His last year here, he missed a half a season. Yet, he earned a $9M/yr contract with the Cards.

RE: RE: RE: Way too early  
Capt. Don : 1/17/2019 8:41 am : link
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Its way too early to talk about the draft on a football board? Why?

What will happen if a bunch of Giants fans talk about the draft two full weeks after the season is over?



Too early to hear much info on my end. Relax.


I am very relaxed. I also apologize - I misread the OPs message and didnt see that he asked you specifically. I thought you were just chiming in that we shouldnt be talking about it. mea culpa
Risner vs. Sweat  
Capt. Don : 1/17/2019 8:44 am : link
I really like both but I dont think Sweat will be a value pick at 6 and also wont be within reach in the 2nd. However, I would be excited about Risner in the 2nd.

Played at a high level at RT. Some people have him projected to center. I have linked a really good article about the game Risner squared off with Sweat. Risner has NFL strong hands already.
Lonk - ( New Window )
RE: I think people need to temper their expectations  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 8:47 am : link
In comment 14266167 Diver_Down said:
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with regards to FA. Daryl Williams seems like the perfect fit. But the reasoning that he is coming off an injury and will command a cheap contract is likely not happening. There is a dearth of talent of capable starters and plenty of teams will be flush with cash to bid for his services.

Case in point is Justin Pugh. A man who is capable, but never distinguished himself from his peers- not a single pro-bowl in his career (not even a replacement for a alternate). Hurt every year missing multiple games except for his rookie year. His last year here, he missed a half a season. Yet, he earned a $9M/yr contract with the Cards.


Can't look at the total money. The media put out that he got 5 years and 45 million. The contract is essentially a 3 year deal worth 25 million.

RTs are also making less then RGs.

The highest paid RTs are
11.2
9.5
8.1
8
7.7

The highest paid RGs are
14
12
11.2
11
10
RE: RE: RE: RE: Way too early  
JonC : 1/17/2019 8:50 am : link
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Its way too early to talk about the draft on a football board? Why?

What will happen if a bunch of Giants fans talk about the draft two full weeks after the season is over?



Too early to hear much info on my end. Relax.



I am very relaxed. I also apologize - I misread the OPs message and didnt see that he asked you specifically. I thought you were just chiming in that we shouldnt be talking about it. mea culpa


All good. Info will begin to trickle as the Combines approach, usually start getting text msgs during the Combines as to who they're spending extra time scouting.
Jon  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 8:52 am : link
Ogletree was one of the reasons I was thinking they wouldn't take one that high. Any idea how they feel about Goodson?
I'm still looking at ERs who fit their scheme  
JonC : 1/17/2019 8:53 am : link
or possibly an OT, which might indicate we're picking just outside the blue chips.
Nothing specific on Goodson  
JonC : 1/17/2019 8:55 am : link
From what I see, he flashes at times but needs to stay on the field and perform more consistently. He gets dinged and gassed often, and earlier on last season it looked like he was picking up some of Ogletree's bad habits with guessing rather than reading his keys. He had some better games as the season wore on.
Jon  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 9:04 am : link
Haven't watched much of the OTs yet, but from what I've read it seems that 6 might be a reach for any of the OTs. Especially if they think Jonah has to move inside to OG.

I assume it's gonna come down to ER, LB or QB. Which would be great. Give me Allen, White or Haskins.
...  
jayg5 : 1/17/2019 9:05 am : link
QB- Drew Lock. Needs to get better with foot work but I think he’s the QB with most upside

D-line.- Jeffrey Simmons. haven’t seen him talked about all that much on here but think he’s going to be a stud. After Bosa, and Williams I think he’s next best

TE- TJ Hockenson. Would prob be our best blocker on o-line...kidding, but he’s relentless when blocking and kicks ass. I like him over Fant as best TE In draft
If they don't take a QB at 6  
jeff57 : 1/17/2019 9:07 am : link
And assuming Q. Williams, Bosa and Allen are off the board, I like White, Ferrell or Wilkins at 6.
guys Im liking but  
Dankbeerman : 1/17/2019 9:13 am : link
not at 6. Risner, Wilkins and Zac Allen. I think our pass rush needs to be improved from the inside out and Risners flexability to play C, RG, RT he could uprgade any of those spots.
I would like to see Rashan Gary in play at #6  
JonC : 1/17/2019 9:13 am : link
He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent. Also like Greg Little. Hard to not love White but not sure he'll rank that high as an ILB, not interested so far in Haskins at #6.

Allen has to demonstrate some power ability, can he set the edge and anchor versus the run, can he hand fight and disengage from OL, etc.
A few good DT prospects  
JonC : 1/17/2019 9:15 am : link
but picking one at #6 when you run a lot of 3-4 looks suggests the options we're looking at aren't that strong, imo.
RE: Way too early  
barens : 1/17/2019 9:23 am : link
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Yeah, there always seems to be a prospect who makes his way into the top 10 after the Senior Bowl week, let alone the combine.
A strange  
Jon in NYC : 1/17/2019 9:23 am : link
lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.

He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.

As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?
Just curious...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/17/2019 9:26 am : link
but how do you guys go back and watch college football games? Generally speaking, there's too much going on each Saturday to catch more than a game or two, and with so many teams/prospects that makes it very difficult to catch some of these prospects at all or maybe just see one game at best.

Beyond seeing highlight clips on YouTube, is there some package or something that BBIers subscribe to that allows them to go back and rewatch college games during the time leading up to the draft? It would be worth a bit to me to be able to buy something like NFL GamePass, especially since I'm not an NBA fan and there's very little on TV that appeals to me.

Curious how it is that people can have so many well-informed opinions - are they just watch 3+ games every Saturday, or is there something else that I can subscribe to?
Draft  
stretch234 : 1/17/2019 9:33 am : link
Get a pass rusher If they don't believe Haskins is that guy

You can always trade to get a guy in 2020 if you believe there are better options

The Eagles traded up to get Wentz, the Rams traded up to get Goff, Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes. Bills traded up to get Allen. You can always trade to get a guy you want




RE: Draft  
stretch234 : 1/17/2019 9:33 am : link
In comment 14266271 stretch234 said:
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Get a pass rusher If they don't believe Haskins is that guy

You can always trade to get a guy in 2020 if you believe there are better options

The Eagles traded up to get Wentz, the Rams traded up to get Goff, Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes. Bills traded up to get Allen. Bears traded up for Trubisky You can always trade to get a guy you want



RE: A strange  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14266252 Jon in NYC said:
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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.

He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.

As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?


He's my top choice at 6. I like him a lot. Maybe better then any of the QBs from last year. Don't think he has the big question marks that Darnold, Rosen, Allen & Jackson had.

I just know every Haskins discussion turns into people defending Eli. So I try not to bring him up.
RE: I would like to see Rashan Gary in play at #6  
GoBlue6599 : 1/17/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14266230 JonC said:
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He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent. Also like Greg Little. Hard to not love White but not sure he'll rank that high as an ILB, not interested so far in Haskins at #6.

Allen has to demonstrate some power ability, can he set the edge and anchor versus the run, can he hand fight and disengage from OL, etc.

Greg Little was very inconsistent at Ole Miss, I would never take him at # 6.. Gary is again all about projection he looks the part but is already dealing with injuries and I’m not sure if he ever played like a top 10 pick
RE: Dalton Risner in the 2nd  
Earl the goat : 1/17/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14266146 Capt. Don said:
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I think there will be excellent value at OT in the 2nd round. That being said, I really think we go hard after Daryl Williams so I will shift that focus to center. I am probably in the minority here but I hope they give Halapio a chance to push Brown at RG and also be our backup center.

Dalton Risner in the 2nd. Assuming we bring back Brown at RG (which I am torn on), that would make our OL look like this. Ages when season starts in parentheses.

Solder (31)
Hernandez (24)
Risner (24)
Brown (26) or Halapio (28)
Williams (27)



Love the Risner pick. I read he hasn’t given up a sack in college plus live his versatility. Reminds me of another KSU wildcat Cody Whitehair
Signing Daryl Williams for RT and drafting Risner instantly improves Oline immensely
RE: I would like to see Rashan Gary in play at #6  
Capt. Don : 1/17/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14266230 JonC said:
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He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent.


I wonder if Gary can play the 5T, 4-3 DE and a 3-4 rush OLB. Talk about scheme versatility. It would be like having Richard Seymour and Willie McGinest in one player.

Many expect him to run 4.6 at 280lbs.
Im very interested learning more about  
blueblood : 1/17/2019 9:56 am : link
Devin White. Can he rush the passer from the outside as well as the inside?
Agree it's too early to talk cogently about the 2019 draft...  
Bill L : 1/17/2019 9:58 am : link
but I wonder, considering all the very high talk and anticipation about Haskins and Murray as potential picks for us, if we could go back to the 2018 draft, exhume the horse, and talk about (in the Haskins, Murray context) how horrible it would be to draft Saquon because we will never, never, ever, have another opportunity to bring a new QB into the fold.
Spolier alert on that  
Bill L : 1/17/2019 9:59 am : link
There's *always* opportunities.
RE: RE: I would like to see Rashan Gary in play at #6  
JonC : 1/17/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14266316 Capt. Don said:
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He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent.



I wonder if Gary can play the 5T, 4-3 DE and a 3-4 rush OLB. Talk about scheme versatility. It would be like having Richard Seymour and Willie McGinest in one player.

Many expect him to run 4.6 at 280lbs.


I think he can. The question is can he play the OLB spot with the type of upside pass rush that makes him worthy of the pick, imv. When you watch him on film, the burst off the edge and lateral ability to really up the ball carrier on the edge leaps out.
RE: RE: I would like to see Rashan Gary in play at #6  
JonC : 1/17/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14266294 GoBlue6599 said:
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He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent. Also like Greg Little. Hard to not love White but not sure he'll rank that high as an ILB, not interested so far in Haskins at #6.

Allen has to demonstrate some power ability, can he set the edge and anchor versus the run, can he hand fight and disengage from OL, etc.


Greg Little was very inconsistent at Ole Miss, I would never take him at # 6.. Gary is again all about projection he looks the part but is already dealing with injuries and I’m not sure if he ever played like a top 10 pick


The questions on both prospects are legit.
RE: A strange  
GFAN52 : 1/17/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14266252 Jon in NYC said:
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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.

He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.

As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?


Some team is sure to trade up ahead of the Giants for Haskins.
RE: A strange  
Jay in Toronto : 1/17/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14266252 Jon in NYC said:
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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.

He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.

As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?


I suspect the Giants will like him but not move and someone will grab him before #6.

RE: RE: A strange  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14266347 GFAN52 said:
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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.

He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.

As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?



Some team is sure to trade up ahead of the Giants for Haskins.


Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.

The Jags are really the only real threat as of now. Is a team gonna really wanna move from 2-4 all the way to the Broncos at 10, Fins at 13 or Skins at 15?
RE: RE: RE: A strange  
dep026 : 1/17/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14266369 Big Rick in FL said:
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Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.



Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?
RE: Dalton Risner in the 2nd  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14266146 Capt. Don said:
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I think there will be excellent value at OT in the 2nd round. That being said, I really think we go hard after Daryl Williams so I will shift that focus to center. I am probably in the minority here but I hope they give Halapio a chance to push Brown at RG and also be our backup center.

Dalton Risner in the 2nd. Assuming we bring back Brown at RG (which I am torn on), that would make our OL look like this. Ages when season starts in parentheses.

Solder (31)
Hernandez (24)
Risner (24)
Brown (26) or Halapio (28)
Williams (27)

I like Dalton Risner a lot. I know some here hate when versatility is mentioned in regard to an offensive linemen because they think of Pugh but Risner is very versatile. He is a better prospect than Pugh IMO. The Giants will more than likely add at least a C or RT in free agency and they could address the other in round 2 with Risner, David Edwards, Andre Dillard, or Yodny Cajuste. Risner played extremely well at center a few years ago before moving outside. Risner could play center or guard early in his career and then kick outside to left tackle when Solder is let go.

I think David Edwards is the best fit for the Giants but any of them would be good additions. Edwards has great size and he is the best run blocker of the four but he doesn't have the feet to play LT.
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UConn4523 : 1/17/2019 10:33 am : link
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Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.





Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?


Having other holes shouldn’t trump getting a QB you like. If the conviction for a QB is there than go get him. If not, stay put and take a playmaker or drop back a bit to “plug more holes”. All options should be on the table.
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Jay on the Island : 1/17/2019 10:34 am : link
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Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.





Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?

If the Giants feel he is a franchise QB then it is more than worth it to trade up for him. The cap room they would save from having Haskins as their starter would allow them to spend in free agency to fill holes.
Building your team through  
dep026 : 1/17/2019 10:37 am : link
Free Agency is disaster 101. You use FA to plug holes that you need to compete. We arent close to competing. We are stuck with some bad long term deals by overspending.

I dont know if Haskins is going to be the guy of the future. But I do know that trading up has a lot of negatives that go with it. This draft is deep in interior lineman. I would hate to pass one of those up.
RE: RE: I think people need to temper their expectations  
Diver_Down : 1/17/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14266178 Big Rick in FL said:
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with regards to FA. Daryl Williams seems like the perfect fit. But the reasoning that he is coming off an injury and will command a cheap contract is likely not happening. There is a dearth of talent of capable starters and plenty of teams will be flush with cash to bid for his services.

Case in point is Justin Pugh. A man who is capable, but never distinguished himself from his peers- not a single pro-bowl in his career (not even a replacement for a alternate). Hurt every year missing multiple games except for his rookie year. His last year here, he missed a half a season. Yet, he earned a $9M/yr contract with the Cards.




Can't look at the total money. The media put out that he got 5 years and 45 million. The contract is essentially a 3 year deal worth 25 million.

RTs are also making less then RGs.

The highest paid RTs are
11.2
9.5
8.1
8
7.7

The highest paid RGs are
14
12
11.2
11
10


But the idea of a cheap contract is a fallacy. 2 months ago there was a discussion on Jamon's value. Some chiming in that $3M/yr would be appropriate. Yet, when you look at Spotrac's valuation based on similar starting players, it pegged him in the $7M/yr. I opined that if we could get him for $5M/yr, we should lock him up as that is one less hole to be filled via the draft. Of course, that won't stop the hand-wringing on BBI to criticize DG for not knowing what he is doing.
re: Risner  
AcesUp : 1/17/2019 10:51 am : link
RT is shaping up like G was last year, it just seems inevitable that there will be an intersection of BPA and need with our second pick.
I'll answer your question simply by posting my top-6 big board  
Anakim : 1/17/2019 10:58 am : link
People know by now that I always take the BPA

1. DT Quinnen Williams (Alabama)
2. ER Nick Bosa (Ohio State)
3. ER Josh Allen (Kentucky)
4. ILB Devin White (LSU)


And then some combination of Greg Little, MAYBE Jonah Williams, Clelin Ferrell, Ed Oliver Jr., Byron Murphy Jr. and Jachai Polite. Need to see more of Haskins. No Kyler.
RE: Building your team through  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14266387 dep026 said:
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Free Agency is disaster 101. You use FA to plug holes that you need to compete. We arent close to competing. We are stuck with some bad long term deals by overspending.

I dont know if Haskins is going to be the guy of the future. But I do know that trading up has a lot of negatives that go with it. This draft is deep in interior lineman. I would hate to pass one of those up.

You're twisting my words. I didn't say to build the team through free agency. QB is the most important position to fill. Now if the Giants like Haskins then they should trade up if necessary in order to secure his rights. If you're not a fan of Haskins that's fine but let's not pretend that finding a good QB is easy. I really want Jake Fromm next year but I doubt the Giants will be in position to grab him. If the Giants don't like Haskins, Murray, etc then either grab a pass rusher or trade down.

Now if the Giants do get Haskins they would have the room to address the offensive line by adding someone like Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, Donovan Smith, Matt Paradis, Mitch Morse, etc.
Haskins seems to check a lot of the boxes the Giants have.  
Strahan91 : 1/17/2019 11:11 am : link
He's shown the ability to go through his progressions and read coverages (although still needs work). He's at his best making quick short and intermediate throws where he's extremely accurate. He's clean off the field. Seems like a great kid and good leader. Athletic enough to create a little bit of space for himself before the rush gets home (a big part of Keenum's success under Shurmur) and run designed roll outs. There's also the Ryan Day-Shurmur connection.

I'm not saying he's a better prospect than Mayfield, Darnold, Allen or Rosen but he seems to be the best fit amongst them when it comes to the things Gettlemen and Shurmur have mentioned they look for. He also likely needs to be brought along slowly so they can bring Eli back to finish out his contract while Haskins learns.
I like Risner in 2 as well  
mittenedman : 1/17/2019 11:13 am : link
Giants type OL
RE: Haskins seems to check a lot of the boxes the Giants have.  
GFAN52 : 1/17/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14266433 Strahan91 said:
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He's shown the ability to go through his progressions and read coverages (although still needs work). He's at his best making quick short and intermediate throws where he's extremely accurate. He's clean off the field. Seems like a great kid and good leader. Athletic enough to create a little bit of space for himself before the rush gets home (a big part of Keenum's success under Shurmur) and run designed roll outs. There's also the Ryan Day-Shurmur connection.

I'm not saying he's a better prospect than Mayfield, Darnold, Allen or Rosen but he seems to be the best fit amongst them when it comes to the things Gettlemen and Shurmur have mentioned they look for. He also likely needs to be brought along slowly so they can bring Eli back to finish out his contract while Haskins learns.


Agree with your all your points except being a better prospect than Mayfield or Darnold.
WR Andy Isabella, UMass  
Go Terps : 1/17/2019 11:15 am : link
Caught a million passes in college, great route runner, great hands, and a former running back that is good after the catch. Guy has "Wes Welker" written all over him.
RE: RE: Haskins seems to check a lot of the boxes the Giants have.  
Strahan91 : 1/17/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14266443 GFAN52 said:
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Agree with your all your points except being a better prospect than Mayfield or Darnold.

I made it a point to say I'm *not* saying he's a better prospect, just a better fit for what the Giants seem to be looking for both skillset wise and personality wise
Moving up in the 2nd  
stoneman : 1/17/2019 11:16 am : link
Using the value chart to guestimate, the extra 4th round pick values (three 4th rounders is about 170 pts), it looks like the Gs could move into the mid 20s (from 37) with just 3 of their supposed four 4th rounders. Moving up in the 1st is too costly pick wise, but not the 2nd.

QB Jones could land into this area as well as alot of good LBs/DEs that will be gone by 37. Just say'in, don't want to blow their 1st on QB if someone jumps in front for Haskins.

Would love a pass rusher at 6 and QB/OL at mid 20s.
RE: RE: Building your team through  
dep026 : 1/17/2019 11:18 am : link
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Free Agency is disaster 101. You use FA to plug holes that you need to compete. We arent close to competing. We are stuck with some bad long term deals by overspending.

I dont know if Haskins is going to be the guy of the future. But I do know that trading up has a lot of negatives that go with it. This draft is deep in interior lineman. I would hate to pass one of those up.


You're twisting my words. I didn't say to build the team through free agency. QB is the most important position to fill. Now if the Giants like Haskins then they should trade up if necessary in order to secure his rights. If you're not a fan of Haskins that's fine but let's not pretend that finding a good QB is easy. I really want Jake Fromm next year but I doubt the Giants will be in position to grab him. If the Giants don't like Haskins, Murray, etc then either grab a pass rusher or trade down.

Now if the Giants do get Haskins they would have the room to address the offensive line by adding someone like Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, Donovan Smith, Matt Paradis, Mitch Morse, etc.


Didnt mean to twist words, sorry. I am just not an advocate of signing players to huge deals anymore. They rarely seem to work out for us.

Again, I am not trying to shit on Haskins. If they take him, then lets go Dwayne. But IMO, the lines need to be adressed first. I hate to pass up on a Gary or Oliver or Jonah WIlliams and then try to scramble to find lesser players to fill voids.
RE: RE: RE: Haskins seems to check a lot of the boxes the Giants have.  
GFAN52 : 1/17/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14266446 Strahan91 said:
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Agree with your all your points except being a better prospect than Mayfield or Darnold.


I made it a point to say I'm *not* saying he's a better prospect, just a better fit for what the Giants seem to be looking for both skillset wise and personality wise


Got it.
RE: Moving up in the 2nd  
GFAN52 : 1/17/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14266447 stoneman said:
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Using the value chart to guestimate, the extra 4th round pick values (three 4th rounders is about 170 pts), it looks like the Gs could move into the mid 20s (from 37) with just 3 of their supposed four 4th rounders. Moving up in the 1st is too costly pick wise, but not the 2nd.

QB Jones could land into this area as well as alot of good LBs/DEs that will be gone by 37. Just say'in, don't want to blow their 1st on QB if someone jumps in front for Haskins.

Would love a pass rusher at 6 and QB/OL at mid 20s.


I like your idea of somehow gaining another 1st rd pick.
Gotta plug my man Olamide Zaccheus as a mid-round WR  
Greg from LI : 1/17/2019 11:28 am : link
Small (generously listed at 5'8", more likely 5'7") but very quick with good top end speed, incredibly productive (251 career receptions for 2800 yards and 22 TDs despite playing on some terrible teams), has a knack for getting open.
RE: I like Risner in 2 as well  
Anakim : 1/17/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14266438 mittenedman said:
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Giants type OL


Ditto. I think he's extremely sound and very versatile
if the Giants don't like the QBs  
giants#1 : 1/17/2019 11:29 am : link
or the one(s) they do like are gone, I'd expect them to look at these positions and in this order:

ER
CB
WR

Only exception would be if there's a long term LT prospect. I like Jenkins and Haley, but Beal is an unknown and you can always use another top CB.

And as Eric pointed out in another thread, after Beckham and Shepard there's not much at WR. Considering SS is a FA after this season, WR is definitely a need, though they may choose to use the mid-rounds to look for depth.

I don't see them going ILB at #6. It's rare for an ILB to go top 10 to anyone and I can't even remember the last time the Giants took an ILB in the 1st round period. IIRC, only 3 ILBs have gone in the top 10 in the past decade+ (Smith, Keuchly, McClain) and none higher than #8.
Instead of 11 picks  
idiotsavant : 1/17/2019 11:33 am : link
Let's go for 5 or so via trades up

6
35
38
60
64

Or whatever the fuck it turns out as:

DT
DE/OLB
ILB/FS
C/G
Corner/FS
Haskins is likely going  
theold5j : 1/17/2019 11:54 am : link
To have a monster pro day and he'll be in the top 3 of the draft. I cant see the cards or niners trading out of their spot and giving up a chance to draft Bosa. So maybe 3 is about how high someone would have to trade up.
Stoneman  
idiotsavant : 1/17/2019 12:04 pm : link
I see 6 and 38 as great picks in this draft.

Personally, I would advocate keep both 6 and 38, and trade to ADD a few more around 35 though 50.

Multiple near top of Rd 2 as opposed to moving up.from. 38. And as opposed to all 11.
will be interesting to see how they use those extra 4s/5s  
stoneman : 1/17/2019 12:06 pm : link
I personally so not value them as I am sure NFL execs do, so this is just internet know-it-all, but I would love to move up from the 2nd, not so much from the 4th to replace my missing 3rd. Hope they do not sit and actually pick 3 4th rounders.
RE: Stoneman  
stoneman : 1/17/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14266540 idiotsavant said:
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I see 6 and 38 as great picks in this draft.

Personally, I would advocate keep both 6 and 38, and trade to ADD a few more around 35 though 50.

Multiple near top of Rd 2 as opposed to moving up.from. 38. And as opposed to all 11.


I hear you - I just currently like a few mid 20s guys right now that I think will not be there at 37. April is a long way off though.
DT at 6 might be top 3 overall talent value.  
idiotsavant : 1/17/2019 12:21 pm : link
BUT....but but but

One might very easily get a 'top 15 any other year" DT at 38 this year . Easily and probably.

SO...is there an ILB or DE/OLB that's worth the 6?

If one blinds oneself to offense in this draft, the leverage is there at front 7 yo really play it.
If the Giants don't view Haskins or Murray  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2019 1:20 pm : link
as worthy of the 6th pick and the edge rushers are off the board I would prefer to see the Giants trade down and pick up another 2020 1st. Then in the teens I would target Rashan Gary, Devin White, Cody Ford, Christian Wilkins, or Jachai Polite.
RE: Risner vs. Sweat  
ColHowPepper : 1/17/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14266174 Capt. Don said:
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...However, I would be excited about Risner in the 2nd.

Played at a high level at RT. Some people have him projected to center. I have linked a really good article about the game Risner squared off with Sweat. Risner has NFL strong hands already. Lonk - ( New Window )
With you all the way on a pick first two days at C, and if Risner is the guy, so be it. Halapio is not the answer, no better and maybe worse than than B Jones whom they let walk. Giants running game has struggled for four years running inside, including with SB. Enough!
RE: Haskins is likely going  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14266531 theold5j said:
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To have a monster pro day and he'll be in the top 3 of the draft. I cant see the cards or niners trading out of their spot and giving up a chance to draft Bosa. So maybe 3 is about how high someone would have to trade up.

Pro day performances mean very little. In fact the interviews and condition of the player mean more than the actual on field performance.
RE: RE: RE: Building your team through  
Jay on the Island : 1/17/2019 1:44 pm : link
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Free Agency is disaster 101. You use FA to plug holes that you need to compete. We arent close to competing. We are stuck with some bad long term deals by overspending.

I dont know if Haskins is going to be the guy of the future. But I do know that trading up has a lot of negatives that go with it. This draft is deep in interior lineman. I would hate to pass one of those up.


You're twisting my words. I didn't say to build the team through free agency. QB is the most important position to fill. Now if the Giants like Haskins then they should trade up if necessary in order to secure his rights. If you're not a fan of Haskins that's fine but let's not pretend that finding a good QB is easy. I really want Jake Fromm next year but I doubt the Giants will be in position to grab him. If the Giants don't like Haskins, Murray, etc then either grab a pass rusher or trade down.

Now if the Giants do get Haskins they would have the room to address the offensive line by adding someone like Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, Donovan Smith, Matt Paradis, Mitch Morse, etc.



Didnt mean to twist words, sorry. I am just not an advocate of signing players to huge deals anymore. They rarely seem to work out for us.

Again, I am not trying to shit on Haskins. If they take him, then lets go Dwayne. But IMO, the lines need to be adressed first. I hate to pass up on a Gary or Oliver or Jonah WIlliams and then try to scramble to find lesser players to fill voids.

Don't worry about it. I am not a fan of going wild in free agency either. With that said the Giants could draft Haskins and still improve the offensive line. Solders play last season improved dramatically when Jamon Brown arrived. Solder is very good at forcing pass rushers out of harms way behind the QB but when there is no pocket that often resulted in pressure on Eli.

Will Hernandez is a long term building block and he should see a few pro bowls in the near future. Jamon Brown was up and down but a big upgrade over Greco and Omameh. If he returns I think he will be more consistent if the Giants add a better C and RT. IMO center is the biggest need on the line. I expect the Giants to add a starter at one position in free agency plus a guard to compete with Brown or replace him if he doesn't return. In round 2 I think the Giants will come away with David Edwards, Dalton Risner, Yodny Cajuste. I doubt he will be available but if Cody Ford falls out of round 1 I would love to see the Giants trade up to the top spot in round 2 to get him. Ford has all-pro potential at G and he is also an excellent RT also.

With several mid round picks I hope that the Giants use one on a center as well as a developmental OT to groom behind Solder. Gettleman has had far more success finding offensive linemen than Reese did. Let's hope that he can find another Trai Turner, Daryl Williams, or Andrew Norwell types with these mid to late round picks.
Easton Stick, QB NDSU  
Everyone Relax : 1/17/2019 3:02 pm : link
Can't say I know much about him but his highlights are pretty impressive. Good enough size (6'2), above average arm, and a very effective runner.

Anyone know much about him? I get he plays in the FBS but comes from the same school as Wentz and had equal if not more success.
Meant doesn't play in the FBS  
Everyone Relax : 1/17/2019 3:04 pm : link
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RE: Easton Stick, QB NDSU  
AcesUp : 1/17/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14266878 Everyone Relax said:
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Can't say I know much about him but his highlights are pretty impressive. Good enough size (6'2), above average arm, and a very effective runner.

Anyone know much about him? I get he plays in the FBS but comes from the same school as Wentz and had equal if not more success.


Reports coming out of Shrine game haven't been positive - weak armed and inaccurate. Maybe it's just a bad week but it's not encouraging.
1st round Playmaker on defense ..  
Bluesbreaker : 1/17/2019 4:36 pm : link
Josh Allen Ferrell both fit the bill
in the 2nd round come away with a starter on the O-line
David Edwards would be a nice fit and I think we will go
hard after Daryl Williams and I wouldn't mind
taking Matt Paradis to me Halapio might not be the answer
at Center Sy mentioned plenty of talent at Center in the draft
Come away with Two Prospects Starters in the Draft add Williams and our O-line could be a strength for a change .
Jonah Williams only Offensive player I would consider
at Six . Rather get the often injured Vernon some help as he is virtually our only pass rusher we have enough lower
round picks to move up into the third round as well .
RE: RE: A strange  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/17/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14266347 GFAN52 said:
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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.

He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.

As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?



Some team is sure to trade up ahead of the Giants for Haskins.


I, for one, certainly hope that happens. I want no part of Haskins. ER -- great. Devin White -- OK. OL -- nobody worth #6. Kyler Murray -- could be... but DG is not ballsy enough to take that chance.
We traded plenty  
mattyblue : 1/17/2019 7:40 pm : link
to get Eli and that worked out. If they like Haskins or Murray they will have to move up it’s just the way it goes. Maybe not Murray, it’s hard to guess where he will go. Haskins will go top 3 unless the combine is bad for him, or some other worry comes to light.

I am not for or against it personally, but if you want to grab a 2020 QB odds are it will most likely cost a great deal more to move up. Even though we have had #2 last year and #6 this year doesn’t mean we even end up in the top 10 next year. I find thinking next years class will be better than this years is dangerous. Mostly they are always a gamble on some level. If there was a “Luck” type of prospect a lot of teams would want him. You have to judge the QB in front of you and decide if he is worth it or he isn’t.
I don't think we'd move up for Haskins or Murray from #6  
SGMen : 1/17/2019 8:10 pm : link
I think it would be too expensive. We have a lot of holes and a lot of picks to use. Hopefully, DT McIntosh and CB Beal (injured last year so almost rookies this year...) add to the camp mix and give us a lot of young bodies to develop.

If Haskins is there at #6 and he is BPA available, well take him. But knowing the NFL, some team is going to move up for him and a good defensive player will drop into our lap at #6. I see us going Defense Round #1 and OL round #2 and both better start and perform if we want to grow as a team.
RE: WR Andy Isabella, UMass  
Big Rick in FL : 1/17/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14266444 Go Terps said:
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Caught a million passes in college, great route runner, great hands, and a former running back that is good after the catch. Guy has "Wes Welker" written all over him.


Somehow missed this earlier. Love the little I've seen from him. How do you think he fits on this Giant team? Can he play on the outside?
The strength at the top of this class is DL  
Torrag : 1/18/2019 7:42 am : link
There are a few other options of course but it's likely the BPA will com from that group. IF DG and Shurmur feel there is a franchise level QB available that is certainly in play. That said don't expect a trade up imo. 6 is a good spot to be in.
RE: Easton Stick, QB NDSU  
bw in dc : 1/18/2019 8:12 am : link
In comment 14266878 Everyone Relax said:
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Can't say I know much about him but his highlights are pretty impressive. Good enough size (6'2), above average arm, and a very effective runner.

Anyone know much about him? I get he plays in the FBS but comes from the same school as Wentz and had equal if not more success.


I’ve seen him play. Actually a decent arm and he’s athletic.

But he’s got this kamikaze running style where he takes on defenders like he’s Earl Campbell. He’s fearless. I like the mobility but that style will get him destroyed in the NFL.
RE: RE: WR Andy Isabella, UMass  
wahl35 : 1/18/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14267212 Big Rick in FL said:
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Caught a million passes in college, great route runner, great hands, and a former running back that is good after the catch. Guy has "Wes Welker" written all over him.



Somehow missed this earlier. Love the little I've seen from him. How do you think he fits on this Giant team? Can he play on the outside?


PFF take on Isabella ....

6. Andy Isabella, Wide Receiver, UMass

We at Pro Football Focus didn’t think there was a better season by a receiver all year long and our vote for the Biletnikoff Award went to Isabella. All he did in 2018 was lead the nation in overall grade (93.2), receiving grade (93.8), yards (1,695) and combined first-down and touchdown receptions (68). He was a threat with the ball in his hands just as much as he was a threat to get open even against the best competition, something he put on display against Georgia in UMass’ biggest game of the season. Against the vaunted Bulldogs secondary, Isabella went for 15 receptions, 219 yards, four first downs and two touchdowns. It wasn’t just against the second-stringers that Georgia put on the field either, he hauled in both receptions when he went one-on-one against Deandre Baker, all four passes against Richard Lecounte and even bested freshman sensation Tyson Campbell for an 11-yard gain. Isabella deserved the praise of the highest extent and was more than deserving of all his accolades.



The 101 best players in college football from 2018 - ( New Window )
Question for the draftniks: Quinnen Williams  
cosmicj : 1/18/2019 9:30 pm : link
A top prospect. Is he a potential 1st pick? Is he on the talent level of Myles Garrett and Clooney or a notch below that? I’m getting the sense he is probably the best individual prospect in the draft. Am I wrong about that?
RE: Question for the draftniks: Quinnen Williams  
jeff57 : 1/19/2019 7:32 am : link
In comment 14268085 cosmicj said:
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A top prospect. Is he a potential 1st pick? Is he on the talent level of Myles Garrett and Clooney or a notch below that? I’m getting the sense he is probably the best individual prospect in the draft. Am I wrong about that?


They’re outside. He’s more comparable to Gerald McCoy and Fletcher Cox.
Jeff  
cosmicj : 1/19/2019 12:50 pm : link
I know he plays inside. He’s an elite prospect. I was asking how elite he was?
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