2019 NFL Draft

we desperately need a pass rusher.

Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio State.
Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson.
Josh Allen, LB, Kentucky.
Rashan Gary, DE, Michigan.
Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State.
Jachai Polite, DE, Florida.
Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech.

In comment 14266123 Jints in Carolina said:

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we desperately need a pass rusher.

Yeah if we don't go QB then I'd like Josh Allen at 6. Possibly even in a trade up. I think Allen & Carter could wreak havoc for many years.

In comment 14266123 Jints in Carolina said:

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we desperately need a pass rusher.

Yeah if we don't go QB then I'd like Josh Allen at 6. Possibly even in a trade up. I think Allen & Carter could wreak havoc for many years.

didn't think I would but I like the options more and more each day that passes. That said if we aren't sold on one this looks like its finally the year that can break our way with a pass rusher "falling" to us at 6.

If one of the above happens I'd like to then focus on adding another starter to the OL (Center or RT), and if we need to use our 3rd or 4th to move up in the 2nd or back into the 1st, id be fine with doing so.

We absolutely need to come away with 2 more starters who contribute week 1 (unless we take a QB who sits). From there, just take BPA, we need good players everywhere.

ER
RT
RG
FS
LB

Elephant in the room and eventually the most important

QB


I dont care if its in FA or draft. Draft seems loke 1st rd talent is ER or QB.

Now, i am not sure Giants have luxury to trade up in the 1st as there will be a stud at 6.

They need their draft picks, but they can use some of their later rd picks to go after someone in the 2nd, 4th, 5th.

I think there will be excellent value at OT in the 2nd round. That being said, I really think we go hard after Daryl Williams so I will shift that focus to center. I am probably in the minority here but I hope they give Halapio a chance to push Brown at RG and also be our backup center.

Dalton Risner in the 2nd. Assuming we bring back Brown at RG (which I am torn on), that would make our OL look like this. Ages when season starts in parentheses.

Solder (31)
Hernandez (24)
Risner (24)
Brown (26) or Halapio (28)
Williams (27)

In comment 14266139 UConn4523 said:

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didn't think I would but I like the options more and more each day that passes. That said if we aren't sold on one this looks like its finally the year that can break our way with a pass rusher "falling" to us at 6. If one of the above happens I'd like to then focus on adding another starter to the OL (Center or RT), and if we need to use our 3rd or 4th to move up in the 2nd or back into the 1st, id be fine with doing so. We absolutely need to come away with 2 more starters who contribute week 1 (unless we take a QB who sits). From there, just take BPA, we need good players everywhere.

I'm hoping we address RT in free agency. Darryl Williams just seems like such a perfect fit. He's a Gettleman guy. Coming off an injury so his contract shouldn't be too high.

I'm honestly not sure if they replace Halapio or Brown. I would definitely try to replace both, but I'm not sure if they will. I still think our OL could be solid with Solder-Hernandez-Halapio-Brown-Williams.

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A team in the top 5 falls in love with Kyler Murray. Don't think the Giants would even contemplate drafting him, but if he goes top 5 it pushes another player down to us.

I'm not sure how to feel about him. His highlights look good, but I just don't know if a QB of his stature can succeed in the NFL.

In comment 14266153 JonC said:

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Yeah I figured it was. Do you think an off ball LB like Devin White is a realistic possibility at 6?

In comment 14266153 JonC said:

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Its way too early to talk about the draft on a football board? Why?

What will happen if a bunch of Giants fans talk about the draft two full weeks after the season is over?

and White are my two guys

In comment 14266157 Big Rick in FL said:

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In comment 14266153 JonC said: Quote: . Yeah I figured it was. Do you think an off ball LB like Devin White is a realistic possibility at 6?

I don't think they should look ILB that high, but DG did trade for Ogletree.

In comment 14266158 Capt. Don said:

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In comment 14266153 JonC said: Quote: . Its way too early to talk about the draft on a football board? Why? What will happen if a bunch of Giants fans talk about the draft two full weeks after the season is over?

Too early to hear much info on my end. Relax.

with regards to FA. Daryl Williams seems like the perfect fit. But the reasoning that he is coming off an injury and will command a cheap contract is likely not happening. There is a dearth of talent of capable starters and plenty of teams will be flush with cash to bid for his services.

Case in point is Justin Pugh. A man who is capable, but never distinguished himself from his peers- not a single pro-bowl in his career (not even a replacement for a alternate). Hurt every year missing multiple games except for his rookie year. His last year here, he missed a half a season. Yet, he earned a $9M/yr contract with the Cards.

In comment 14266166 JonC said:

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In comment 14266158 Capt. Don said: Quote: In comment 14266153 JonC said: Quote: . Its way too early to talk about the draft on a football board? Why? What will happen if a bunch of Giants fans talk about the draft two full weeks after the season is over? Too early to hear much info on my end. Relax.

I am very relaxed. I also apologize - I misread the OPs message and didnt see that he asked you specifically. I thought you were just chiming in that we shouldnt be talking about it. mea culpa

I really like both but I dont think Sweat will be a value pick at 6 and also wont be within reach in the 2nd. However, I would be excited about Risner in the 2nd.

Played at a high level at RT. Some people have him projected to center. I have linked a really good article about the game Risner squared off with Sweat. Risner has NFL strong hands already.
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In comment 14266167 Diver_Down said:

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with regards to FA. Daryl Williams seems like the perfect fit. But the reasoning that he is coming off an injury and will command a cheap contract is likely not happening. There is a dearth of talent of capable starters and plenty of teams will be flush with cash to bid for his services. Case in point is Justin Pugh. A man who is capable, but never distinguished himself from his peers- not a single pro-bowl in his career (not even a replacement for a alternate). Hurt every year missing multiple games except for his rookie year. His last year here, he missed a half a season. Yet, he earned a $9M/yr contract with the Cards.

Can't look at the total money. The media put out that he got 5 years and 45 million. The contract is essentially a 3 year deal worth 25 million.

RTs are also making less then RGs.

The highest paid RTs are
11.2
9.5
8.1
8
7.7

The highest paid RGs are
14
12
11.2
11
10

In comment 14266169 Capt. Don said:

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In comment 14266166 JonC said: Quote: In comment 14266158 Capt. Don said: Quote: In comment 14266153 JonC said: Quote: . Its way too early to talk about the draft on a football board? Why? What will happen if a bunch of Giants fans talk about the draft two full weeks after the season is over? Too early to hear much info on my end. Relax. I am very relaxed. I also apologize - I misread the OPs message and didnt see that he asked you specifically. I thought you were just chiming in that we shouldnt be talking about it. mea culpa

All good. Info will begin to trickle as the Combines approach, usually start getting text msgs during the Combines as to who they're spending extra time scouting.

Ogletree was one of the reasons I was thinking they wouldn't take one that high. Any idea how they feel about Goodson?

or possibly an OT, which might indicate we're picking just outside the blue chips.

From what I see, he flashes at times but needs to stay on the field and perform more consistently. He gets dinged and gassed often, and earlier on last season it looked like he was picking up some of Ogletree's bad habits with guessing rather than reading his keys. He had some better games as the season wore on.

Haven't watched much of the OTs yet, but from what I've read it seems that 6 might be a reach for any of the OTs. Especially if they think Jonah has to move inside to OG.

I assume it's gonna come down to ER, LB or QB. Which would be great. Give me Allen, White or Haskins.

QB- Drew Lock. Needs to get better with foot work but I think he’s the QB with most upside

D-line.- Jeffrey Simmons. haven’t seen him talked about all that much on here but think he’s going to be a stud. After Bosa, and Williams I think he’s next best

TE- TJ Hockenson. Would prob be our best blocker on o-line...kidding, but he’s relentless when blocking and kicks ass. I like him over Fant as best TE In draft

And assuming Q. Williams, Bosa and Allen are off the board, I like White, Ferrell or Wilkins at 6.

not at 6. Risner, Wilkins and Zac Allen. I think our pass rush needs to be improved from the inside out and Risners flexability to play C, RG, RT he could uprgade any of those spots.

He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent. Also like Greg Little. Hard to not love White but not sure he'll rank that high as an ILB, not interested so far in Haskins at #6.

Allen has to demonstrate some power ability, can he set the edge and anchor versus the run, can he hand fight and disengage from OL, etc.

but picking one at #6 when you run a lot of 3-4 looks suggests the options we're looking at aren't that strong, imo.

In comment 14266153 JonC said:

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Yeah, there always seems to be a prospect who makes his way into the top 10 after the Senior Bowl week, let alone the combine.

lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread.

He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive.

As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?

but how do you guys go back and watch college football games? Generally speaking, there's too much going on each Saturday to catch more than a game or two, and with so many teams/prospects that makes it very difficult to catch some of these prospects at all or maybe just see one game at best.

Beyond seeing highlight clips on YouTube, is there some package or something that BBIers subscribe to that allows them to go back and rewatch college games during the time leading up to the draft? It would be worth a bit to me to be able to buy something like NFL GamePass, especially since I'm not an NBA fan and there's very little on TV that appeals to me.

Curious how it is that people can have so many well-informed opinions - are they just watch 3+ games every Saturday, or is there something else that I can subscribe to?

Get a pass rusher If they don't believe Haskins is that guy

You can always trade to get a guy in 2020 if you believe there are better options

The Eagles traded up to get Wentz, the Rams traded up to get Goff, Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes. Bills traded up to get Allen. You can always trade to get a guy you want

In comment 14266271 stretch234 said:

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Get a pass rusher If they don't believe Haskins is that guy You can always trade to get a guy in 2020 if you believe there are better options The Eagles traded up to get Wentz, the Rams traded up to get Goff, Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes. Bills traded up to get Allen. Bears traded up for Trubisky You can always trade to get a guy you want

In comment 14266252 Jon in NYC said:

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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread. He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive. As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?

He's my top choice at 6. I like him a lot. Maybe better then any of the QBs from last year. Don't think he has the big question marks that Darnold, Rosen, Allen & Jackson had.

I just know every Haskins discussion turns into people defending Eli. So I try not to bring him up.

In comment 14266230 JonC said:

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He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent. Also like Greg Little. Hard to not love White but not sure he'll rank that high as an ILB, not interested so far in Haskins at #6. Allen has to demonstrate some power ability, can he set the edge and anchor versus the run, can he hand fight and disengage from OL, etc.

Greg Little was very inconsistent at Ole Miss, I would never take him at # 6.. Gary is again all about projection he looks the part but is already dealing with injuries and I’m not sure if he ever played like a top 10 pick

In comment 14266146 Capt. Don said:

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I think there will be excellent value at OT in the 2nd round. That being said, I really think we go hard after Daryl Williams so I will shift that focus to center. I am probably in the minority here but I hope they give Halapio a chance to push Brown at RG and also be our backup center. Dalton Risner in the 2nd. Assuming we bring back Brown at RG (which I am torn on), that would make our OL look like this. Ages when season starts in parentheses. Solder (31) Hernandez (24) Risner (24) Brown (26) or Halapio (28) Williams (27)

Love the Risner pick. I read he hasn’t given up a sack in college plus live his versatility. Reminds me of another KSU wildcat Cody Whitehair
Signing Daryl Williams for RT and drafting Risner instantly improves Oline immensely

In comment 14266230 JonC said:

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He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent.

I wonder if Gary can play the 5T, 4-3 DE and a 3-4 rush OLB. Talk about scheme versatility. It would be like having Richard Seymour and Willie McGinest in one player.

Many expect him to run 4.6 at 280lbs.

Devin White. Can he rush the passer from the outside as well as the inside?

but I wonder, considering all the very high talk and anticipation about Haskins and Murray as potential picks for us, if we could go back to the 2018 draft, exhume the horse, and talk about (in the Haskins, Murray context) how horrible it would be to draft Saquon because we will never, never, ever, have another opportunity to bring a new QB into the fold.

There's *always* opportunities.

In comment 14266316 Capt. Don said:

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In comment 14266230 JonC said: Quote: He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent. I wonder if Gary can play the 5T, 4-3 DE and a 3-4 rush OLB. Talk about scheme versatility. It would be like having Richard Seymour and Willie McGinest in one player. Many expect him to run 4.6 at 280lbs.

I think he can. The question is can he play the OLB spot with the type of upside pass rush that makes him worthy of the pick, imv. When you watch him on film, the burst off the edge and lateral ability to really up the ball carrier on the edge leaps out.

In comment 14266294 GoBlue6599 said:

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In comment 14266230 JonC said: Quote: He's more of a traditional 4-3 DE, but he's really athletic on the edge, and he's growing on me as a hybrid scheme talent. Also like Greg Little. Hard to not love White but not sure he'll rank that high as an ILB, not interested so far in Haskins at #6. Allen has to demonstrate some power ability, can he set the edge and anchor versus the run, can he hand fight and disengage from OL, etc. Greg Little was very inconsistent at Ole Miss, I would never take him at # 6.. Gary is again all about projection he looks the part but is already dealing with injuries and I’m not sure if he ever played like a top 10 pick

The questions on both prospects are legit.

In comment 14266252 Jon in NYC said:

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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread. He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive. As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?

Some team is sure to trade up ahead of the Giants for Haskins.

In comment 14266252 Jon in NYC said:

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lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread. He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive. As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing?

I suspect the Giants will like him but not move and someone will grab him before #6.

In comment 14266347 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 14266252 Jon in NYC said: Quote: lack of discussion about Haskins so far on this thread. He's smart mobile, accurate, strong arm, productive. As far as I can tell his main downside is just that he's young/inexperienced, which everyone is at some point. What am I missing? Some team is sure to trade up ahead of the Giants for Haskins.

Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.

The Jags are really the only real threat as of now. Is a team gonna really wanna move from 2-4 all the way to the Broncos at 10, Fins at 13 or Skins at 15?

In comment 14266369 Big Rick in FL said:

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Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that.

Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?

In comment 14266146 Capt. Don said:

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I think there will be excellent value at OT in the 2nd round. That being said, I really think we go hard after Daryl Williams so I will shift that focus to center. I am probably in the minority here but I hope they give Halapio a chance to push Brown at RG and also be our backup center. Dalton Risner in the 2nd. Assuming we bring back Brown at RG (which I am torn on), that would make our OL look like this. Ages when season starts in parentheses. Solder (31) Hernandez (24) Risner (24) Brown (26) or Halapio (28) Williams (27)

I like Dalton Risner a lot. I know some here hate when versatility is mentioned in regard to an offensive linemen because they think of Pugh but Risner is very versatile. He is a better prospect than Pugh IMO. The Giants will more than likely add at least a C or RT in free agency and they could address the other in round 2 with Risner, David Edwards, Andre Dillard, or Yodny Cajuste. Risner played extremely well at center a few years ago before moving outside. Risner could play center or guard early in his career and then kick outside to left tackle when Solder is let go.

I think David Edwards is the best fit for the Giants but any of them would be good additions. Edwards has great size and he is the best run blocker of the four but he doesn't have the feet to play LT.

In comment 14266372 dep026 said:

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In comment 14266369 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that. Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?

Having other holes shouldn’t trump getting a QB you like. If the conviction for a QB is there than go get him. If not, stay put and take a playmaker or drop back a bit to “plug more holes”. All options should be on the table.

In comment 14266372 dep026 said:

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In comment 14266369 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: Whose to say the Giants aren't the team trading up for him? Out of all the QB needy teams they are in the best position to do that. Why would the Giants trade up and give away valuable assets when the team has so many holes?

If the Giants feel he is a franchise QB then it is more than worth it to trade up for him. The cap room they would save from having Haskins as their starter would allow them to spend in free agency to fill holes.