Curious about what else you guys think the Mets will do before reporting to spring training.
Also, with a bunch of guys who play multiple positions, what do you think their positional depth chart looks like right now?
C: Ramos, TDA
1B: Frazier (until Alonso comes up)
2B: Cano, McNeil
SS: Rosario, Lowrie
3B: Lowrie, Frazier, McNeil
LF: McNeil, Nimmo
CF: Nimmo, Lagares, Broxton
RF: Conforto, Nimmo
About a million different lineup combinations but more importantly lots of good depth. I wonder if they plan on moving Frazier? Having him around without Alonso helps but things get crowded after Alonso arrives.
I believe its:
LF: Conforto, Nimmo
CF: Lagares, Broxton
RF: Nimmo, Conforto
I don't think McNeil is ahead of Nimmo or Conforto.
I also believe BVW is on record as saying most of McNeil's playing time will be in the OF.
I also think Dom Smith gets a chance to win the 1B job. I don't think he does if Frazier is still on the team, because of $$$, but I think he gets a shot at it.
I believe its:
LF: Conforto, Nimmo
CF: Lagares, Broxton
RF: Nimmo, Conforto
I don't think McNeil is ahead of Nimmo or Conforto.
I also believe BVW is on record as saying most of McNeil's playing time will be in the OF.
I also think Dom Smith gets a chance to win the 1B job. I don't think he does if Frazier is still on the team, because of $$$, but I think he gets a shot at it.
Frazier is almost certainly staying. Brodie went out of his way to talk up his versatility, value in the clubhouse and the communication they had about adding Lowrie. I'm not saying he's here for the entire season hook or crook but he's almost certainly staying. I don't think Dom is even in the equation. They haven't mentioned him a single time while mentioning Alonso and even Cecchini.
I think they need to get as many ABs for McNeil as possible and I'm not sure how if he's not playing LF majority of the time?
Cano, Lowrie and Conforto are in the lineup every day.
I think they need to get as many ABs for McNeil as possible and I'm not sure how if he's not playing LF majority of the time?
Cano, Lowrie and Conforto are in the lineup every day.
No. Lagares/Broxton are in CF to open the season as of today.
1B Frazier
2b Cano
SS Rosario
3B Lowrie
LF Conforto
CF Lagares/Broxton
RF Nimmo
C Ramos
The starting pitching seems pretty well set with Jake, Thor, Wheeler, Matz and Vargas to open up. I still think they need another back-end insurance policy.
The prominent bullpen pieces are Lugo, Gsellman, Familia and Diaz.
Dan or someone else can tell you more about the bullpen than I can.
Makes them easier to trade.
And if you don't trade them, explains why.
You're covered.
I haven't heard anyone from the Mets mention Smith at all since he left the DWL, but it would make zero sense not to give him a shot in spring training. If he's not in the equation, where is he going to be? Syracuse OF?
On a side note, Wilmer Flores signed a one year deal with Arizona
Makes them easier to trade.
And if you don't trade them, explains why.
You're covered.
I haven't heard anyone from the Mets mention Smith at all since he left the DWL, but it would make zero sense not to give him a shot in spring training. If he's not in the equation, where is he going to be? Syracuse OF?
Smith is expected to see time at 1b/OF in Syracuse. They are treating him like an afterthought. He's not making the team out of ST barring injury. Frazier, TDA, Cano, even McNeil would be options at 1b if need be and of course Alonso.
No room in LF for McNeil. Conforto and Nimmo are the corners. Now the CF situation could prove to be a total fail and they end up shifting one back to CF but to begin the season it will be up to Mickey to find McNeil AB's.
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don't you? BVW is probably smarter than Sandy in this regard, where the Mets used to downplay player value (like Flores) I think (hope) with BVW they hype up players like the Red Sox do.
Makes them easier to trade.
And if you don't trade them, explains why.
You're covered.
I haven't heard anyone from the Mets mention Smith at all since he left the DWL, but it would make zero sense not to give him a shot in spring training. If he's not in the equation, where is he going to be? Syracuse OF?
Smith is expected to see time at 1b/OF in Syracuse. They are treating him like an afterthought. He's not making the team out of ST barring injury. Frazier, TDA, Cano, even McNeil would be options at 1b if need be and of course Alonso.
We'll find out soon enough.
26 days until pitchers and catchers, 30 days for position players.
I wonder if Cespedes rides a horse to camp this year.
Like I said we'll find out soon enough, if he's in NY it makes zero sense to bury him. What they will do and what they should do are different things sometimes. But with the Mets there is often times a big disparity between what they do and what should do.
His arthritis is probably only going to get worse.
I think the depth chart right now is as follows, in order of security of playing time:
2B - Cano / Lowrie
SS - Rosario / Lowrie
C - Ramos / TBD since TDA will likely be rehabbing
3B - Lowrie / Frazier / McNeil
LF/RF - Conforto / Nimmo / Mcneil / Davis (may go to AAA)
CF - Lagares / Broxton / Nimmo
1B - Frazier / McNeil / Davis
That's 12 counting Davis. So possibly 1 more bench spot open for someone like TJR or Guillorme. Perhaps 2 spots open if they decide to send Davis down to Cuse.
Biggest question to me is getting enough AB's for McNeil. On a prorated basis he played as well as anyone in that lineup last year, if he plays that well again it's going to be hard to keep him out which may mean Nimmo back to CF close to full time or keeping Alonso in AAA for longer than expected.
On the pitching staff they are still 2 arms short, maybe 3, but I expect some more invites and at least 1 more MLB signing.
ideal
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adjective
1.
satisfying one's conception of what is perfect
Is Pollock really "ideal" in your opinion?
I can think of 2 more "ideal" signings...
I'm having a really hard time with this offseason, I just can't get excited about it.
I know I probably should be...
I think I've become completed jaded due to the disingenuous messaging constantly coming from the Alderson regime.
BVW says the Mets are feeling good... feel they are the class of the division... in other words he's expressing that they are content. He won't acknowledge that there are pieces out there that would make the team better.
Is he:
A) Stupid
B) Playing stupid and still planning to spend a lot more
C) Constrained by budget but, like Alderson, part of his job responsibility is to put lipstick on the pig that is the Mets ridiculous payroll situation and insulate the Wilpons from criticism.
I think we can agree it's probably C
I'm just tired of it...
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to Colorado for one of their overpaid RP and then signing Pollock would be ideal but I think they are going to hope for the best in CF... pretty terrifying when the OF depth is really, really thin.
ideal
/īˈdē(ə)l/Submit
adjective
1.
satisfying one's conception of what is perfect
Is Pollock really "ideal" in your opinion?
I can think of 2 more "ideal" signings...
I'm having a really hard time with this offseason, I just can't get excited about it.
I know I probably should be...
I think I've become completed jaded due to the disingenuous messaging constantly coming from the Alderson regime.
BVW says the Mets are feeling good... feel they are the class of the division... in other words he's expressing that they are content. He won't acknowledge that there are pieces out there that would make the team better.
Is he:
A) Stupid
B) Playing stupid and still planning to spend a lot more
C) Constrained by budget but, like Alderson, part of his job responsibility is to put lipstick on the pig that is the Mets ridiculous payroll situation and insulate the Wilpons from criticism.
I think we can agree it's probably C
I'm just tired of it...
I'm not comfortable relying on Lagares/Broxton so at the right price yes Pollock would be a very nice addition (flaws and all). He's better than both players. Ideally they would sign both Pollock and Ottavino or Ottavino and Keuchel but that's not happening. I would have loved Parker/Holland both came in cheap.
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You think Pollock > Harper?
I just thought it was funny you used the word "ideal" on Pollock when Bryce is just chillin waiting for a legit offer...
You think Pollock > Harper?
I just thought it was funny you used the word "ideal" on Pollock when Bryce is just chillin waiting for a legit offer...
Oh. Sorry I misunderstood you. Yes, Harper all day.
If you start with the condition that the Mets simply can't afford Machado or Harper AND do all the other things they have done...
Then the offseason has been pretty damn good.
The issue is, that condition really really sucks...and therefore I can't call the offseason pretty damn good. Can't even get excited about it.
Constraints of our plan = budget
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
Interesting quote from BVW, "Ive never operated this offseason to wait and see if a market dropped. In fact, all of our moves have not been market contingent, theyve been roster contingent how do these players fit? Can we acquire them within the constraints of our plan?
8:13 AM - 17 Jan 2019
And every MLB team including the Mets can afford Harper. They are simply choosing not to. Mets fans that are pro owners are strange. Theres no salary cap! And the owners not spending will have zero effect on the prices you pay as a fan.
Constraints of our plan = budget
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Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
Interesting quote from BVW, "Ive never operated this offseason to wait and see if a market dropped. In fact, all of our moves have not been market contingent, theyve been roster contingent how do these players fit? Can we acquire them within the constraints of our plan?
8:13 AM - 17 Jan 2019
In case it hasnt been obvious by now, he likes to target the best player/fit for the team and aggressively target him. Whether its trade or FA. Whether its an overpayor not. I thing preventing him from coming back to the market when it drops. But a hard lesson learned by Somme FO and agents is Brody is very straight forward, will overpay. But the second youve played your cards too hard, hes not just ready but willing to quickly move on. Its certainly a refreshing change of pace.
He will not be back anytime soon. In fact, Omar made it sound like we may not see him at all.
And every MLB team including the Mets can afford Harper. They are simply choosing not to. Mets fans that are pro owners are strange. Theres no salary cap! And the owners not spending will have zero effect on the prices you pay as a fan.
OF is a major, major issue. Yes they have McNeil (with limited OF experience) but CF they have 2 major ?? and after that you're looking at Davis, Rajai Davis (38 years old), Gregor Blanco.... prospect wise the Mets OF is completely barren.
And every MLB team including the Mets can afford Harper. They are simply choosing not to. Mets fans that are pro owners are strange. Theres no salary cap! And the owners not spending will have zero effect on the prices you pay as a fan.
The outfield isn't really all that thin.
Conforto, Nimmo, Lagares, Broxton. Then you have guys that can play the outfield, more really the corners, in McNeil, Dom, J.D. Davis, and T.J. Rivera in a pinch.
Then you have to consider that organizationally the Mets still have Rajai Davis, Gregor Blanco, Rymer Liriano, and Kevin Kaczmarski. A move can be made if necessary, but Nimmo and Conforto's ability to play CF, as well as the aforementioned guys like McNeil that can play in LF, makes these moves unlikely to be necessary.
Further, I think the Mets may, and should, explore Amed Rosario in CF when Gimenez is ready to be promoted.
And you still should have Yoenis Cespedes back hopefully in August for the stretch run.
In terms of the lineup, this is the deepest Mets lineup I can remember.
Nimmo
Conforto
Cano
Ramos
Lowrie
Alonso (Frazier and Dom for two weeks, ok)
Rosario
Lagares or Broxton
And I'll tell you this, Alonso is going to be a hit. Not really any doubt in my mind. He's put up all those numbers in the minors, he's done it against good competition, and the main thing that gives me confidence is that his exit velocities are the highest in the minors. Dude can mash.
And then you have McNeil that is going to plug into that lineup often.
Hopefully, in August our lineup will look like:
CF Nimmo
3B Lowrie / McNeil
2B Cano
LF Cespedes
RF Conforto
1B Alonso
C Ramos
SS Rosario
Sure, there are some 'ifs' there, but it's also entirely plausible.
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Doesnt that lineup have some serious holes? And that outfield is really thin. Once again the Mets will need a lot of things to break right and health to be good.
And every MLB team including the Mets can afford Harper. They are simply choosing not to. Mets fans that are pro owners are strange. Theres no salary cap! And the owners not spending will have zero effect on the prices you pay as a fan.
OF is a major, major issue. Yes they have McNeil (with limited OF experience) but CF they have 2 major ?? and after that you're looking at Davis, Rajai Davis (38 years old), Gregor Blanco.... prospect wise the Mets OF is completely barren.
If Broxton and Lagares are a combination of failure and injury, you don't even need to worry about Davis and Blanco, just move Nimmo to CF and instill McNeil in left and be done with it. Sure, he has limited OF experience, but that bat more than makes up for it. Worse comes to worse you can still pop Dom out there in LF, or call up Kevin Kaczmarski, who will at minimum play hard.
There's always the option of making a move as well (Frazier?)
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if BVW is stupid or playing stupid or neither, but we all know #3 is absolutely legit.
Constraints of our plan = budget
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Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
Interesting quote from BVW, "Ive never operated this offseason to wait and see if a market dropped. In fact, all of our moves have not been market contingent, theyve been roster contingent how do these players fit? Can we acquire them within the constraints of our plan?
8:13 AM - 17 Jan 2019
In case it hasnt been obvious by now, he likes to target the best player/fit for the team and aggressively target him. Whether its trade or FA. Whether its an overpayor not. I thing preventing him from coming back to the market when it drops. But a hard lesson learned by Somme FO and agents is Brody is very straight forward, will overpay. But the second youve played your cards too hard, hes not just ready but willing to quickly move on. Its certainly a refreshing change of pace.
I don't mind that, but it's kind of hard to look fans in the eye and say Jed Lowrie was a better fit for the Mets than Manny Machado.
Until you add and understand "within the constraints of our plan"
which is what pisses off most Mets fans because it means they don't want to spend on Machado.
Broxton hasn't hit in 2 years. Dom Smith has been horrendous offensively and is a joke in the OF. TJ Rivera (if he even makes the team) has 13 CAREER appearances in the OF and is 30 years old. Rajai Davis, Gregor Blanco, Rymer Liriano... all have opt-outs (very little chance Rajai Davis at 38 is going to spend much time in Syracuse vs. retiring or going somewhere else) and have been either awful recently (the first 2) or never good (Liriano), Kaczmarski was replaced by... Matt Den Dekker and then removed from the 40 man, that's how high they are on him. It's beyond thin and even they recognize this thus adding both Davis, Blanco, Liriano etc. It's bad.
Rajai Davis wRC+ the past 2 seasons- 67 (not a typo)
Gregor Blanco- 73 (not a typo)
Keon Broxton 84
Lagares career 85
The top OF prospect in the system might still be... Dez Lindsay. He of the career .718 OPS. It's okay to like the roster and still acknowledge the OF depth is really, really poor.
Broxton hasn't hit in 2 years. Dom Smith has been horrendous offensively and is a joke in the OF. TJ Rivera (if he even makes the team) has 13 CAREER appearances in the OF and is 30 years old. Rajai Davis, Gregor Blanco, Rymer Liriano... all have opt-outs (very little chance Rajai Davis at 38 is going to spend much time in Syracuse vs. retiring or going somewhere else) and have been either awful recently (the first 2) or never good (Liriano), Kaczmarski was replaced by... Matt Den Dekker and then removed from the 40 man, that's how high they are on him. It's beyond thin and even they recognize this thus adding both Davis, Blanco, Liriano etc. It's bad.
If the Phillies sign Harper - they will need to trade either Williams or Altherr. Could be a decent pickup for the Mets.
Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"
If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 30% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
*Drew Smith is ineligible
*Tyler Bashlor is ineligible
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
4) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
5) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
6) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
7) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
8) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
10) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
11) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
12) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
13) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
14) Dez Lindsay (OF) 7/18-39%
15) Tony Dibrell (RHP) 9/23-39%
16) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 7/21-33%, Run-off with Nido 18/24-75%
17) Junior Santos (RHP) 6/28-21%, Run-off with Nido 11/20-55%
18) Tomas Nido (C) 10/23-43%
19) Luis Guillorme (SS) 9/24-38%
20) Adrian Hernandez 6/26-23%, run-off with Wahl/Cortes 8/15-53%
21) Carlos Cortes (2b) 8/21-38%
22) Steven Villines (RHP) 4/16 25%, Run-off with Thompson/Wahl 9/23-39%
23) David Thompson (3b) 8/23-35%
24) Ali Sanchez (C) 9/17-53%
25) Eric Hanhold (RHP) 7/21-33%, run-off 7/20-35%
26) Luis Carpio (IF) 4/18-22%, runoff with Uriarte 9/14-64%
27) Stanley Consuegra (OF) 4/20-20%, runoff with Uriarte/Valdez 6/17-35%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
28) Juan Uriarte (C) 4/19-21%
29) Freddy Valdez (OF) 7/17-41%
30) Daniel Zamora (LHP) 3/17-18%, run-off with Montes De Oca 10/12-83%
31) Jaylen Palmer (??) 3/12-25%, run-off with Montes de Oca/Vilera 9/16-56%
32) Ryley Gilliam (RHP) 5/22-23%, run-off with Manea 8/16-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
33) Matt Winaker (OF) 4/22-18
34) Kyle Dowdy (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Vilera 9/12-75%
35) Jaison Vilera (RHP) 6/17-35%
36) Jose Miguel Medina(OF) 6/17-24%
37) Jeremy Vasquez (1b) 3/18-17% run-off with MDO/Manea/Viall 3/7-43%
38) Patrick Mazeika (C) 4/13-31%
39) Walker Lockett (RHP) 5/13-38%
40) Sam Haggerty (UTIL) 7/11 64%
41) Chris Viall (RHP) 4/11 36%
42) Ryder Ryan (RHP) 8/13- 62%
43) Bryce Montes de Oca 6/19 32%
44) Christian James 6/17-35%
Broxton hasn't hit in 2 years. Dom Smith has been horrendous offensively and is a joke in the OF. TJ Rivera (if he even makes the team) has 13 CAREER appearances in the OF and is 30 years old. Rajai Davis, Gregor Blanco, Rymer Liriano... all have opt-outs (very little chance Rajai Davis at 38 is going to spend much time in Syracuse vs. retiring or going somewhere else) and have been either awful recently (the first 2) or never good (Liriano), Kaczmarski was replaced by... Matt Den Dekker and then removed from the 40 man, that's how high they are on him. It's beyond thin and even they recognize this thus adding both Davis, Blanco, Liriano etc. It's bad.
you forgot Tebow
Never.
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OF is insanely thin.
Broxton hasn't hit in 2 years. Dom Smith has been horrendous offensively and is a joke in the OF. TJ Rivera (if he even makes the team) has 13 CAREER appearances in the OF and is 30 years old. Rajai Davis, Gregor Blanco, Rymer Liriano... all have opt-outs (very little chance Rajai Davis at 38 is going to spend much time in Syracuse vs. retiring or going somewhere else) and have been either awful recently (the first 2) or never good (Liriano), Kaczmarski was replaced by... Matt Den Dekker and then removed from the 40 man, that's how high they are on him. It's beyond thin and even they recognize this thus adding both Davis, Blanco, Liriano etc. It's bad.
you forgot Tebow
You scoff but I think he sees a big league AB this season.
But, is team better with Machado, or with Lowrie, Familia and Ramos filling three holes? I dont know the answer, no one does. But thats a reality. And its a reality every other team in MLB has decided is the better path, so far...
The Nimmo hate is baffling (not referencing any poster here). He was only slightly below average defensively last year in CF and considering his offensive profile, his value skyrockets with him in CF actually. Obviously Lagares and Broxton are going to play against lefties and come in for defense late in games but for my money the predominant OF against righties would be McNeil-Nimmo-Conforto.