What am I missing?
Tua looks great but he is already dealing with injuries in college. If you wannna knock Haskins for playing on a great team then why not Tua who plays for Alabama for crying out loud.. Fromm from UGA is no where near as talented as Murray or Haskins not even close, he also has plays for a loaded Georgia team. I didnt see Fromm toss 50 tds like Haskins. Fromm imo is a backup in the NFL thats his talent level. The Oregon kid.. I wouldnt want the Giants to take him even if he came out.. He has talent and a skill set but if you watched the Ducks you would know that he went through long stretches of inept play.. he is all about projections because he never played like a 1st Round pick IMO
With OBJ and Saquon on this team who knows where the Giants will be picking in 2020.. Should the Giants trade up well we have to find a trade partner first which is no guarantee and lets say were trading up from 11 or 12 .. how much will it cost to trade up from 11 to # 3 or 4
Im really curious what is the big deal with this QB class..
Its hard to keep up these days.
2020 has the potential to be a very good class:
Tua
Fromm
Eason
Herbert
Patterson
And that doesnt include QBs who come from small schools or have monster years (ala Haskins this year).
I can see it with Herbert.. that guy clearly has a skill set but IMO he never has really played up to that level you expect from a 1st Round.
Patterson strikes me as a borderline CFL prospect and no shot in hell at the NFL.
Likely Fromm will be a 2nd day pick at best as his physical attributes simply do not translate to the NFL level
Its hard to keep up these days.
2020 has the potential to be a very good class:
Tua
Fromm
Eason
Herbert
Patterson
And that doesnt include QBs who come from small schools or have monster years (ala Haskins this year).
Patterson from Michigan.. youre kidding right? That guy has no shot in the NFL, 3rd string struggling to stay on a roster is his ceiling IMO
Patterson strikes me as a borderline CFL prospect and no shot in hell at the NFL.
Except for starting every game as a freshman at Georgia....
Patterson from Michigan.. youre kidding right? That guy has no shot in the NFL, 3rd string struggling to stay on a roster is his ceiling IMO
Thanks for your insight. Can you give us a preview of your thread tomorrow on why every QB in 2021 will bust and how we need to get Haskins no matter the cost?
This Year: Haskins, Jones, maybe Grier
Next Year: Hebert, maybe Tua (big maybe)
Future: Clemson QB, Texas QB (not sure when he comes out).
So, if as speculated, I could get Jones or Grier in Rd 2 this year that would be the perfect scenario for me.
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Patterson from Michigan.. youre kidding right? That guy has no shot in the NFL, 3rd string struggling to stay on a roster is his ceiling IMO
Thanks for your insight. Can you give us a preview of your thread tomorrow on why every QB in 2021 will bust and how we need to get Haskins no matter the cost?
Itll be right under your Everyone on this team sucks but Eli thread.. Im still lol over you thinking Shea Patterson in a NFL QB its almost as stupid as your Colts dont make the playoffs with Patrick Mahomes proclamation.. Keep them coming buddy
Itll be right under your Everyone on this team sucks but Eli thread.. Im still lol over you thinking Shea Patterson in a NFL QB its almost as stupid as your Colts dont make the playoffs with Patrick Mahomes proclamation.. Keep them coming buddy
Can you please tell me what thread was that I started saying that?
Here's the thing. I dont know if Patterson is going to be a good pro, bad pro, or whatnot. But he certainly will be scouted heavily next year, and I think he will put up some big numbers with a new OC and Passing game coach with 3 very good WRs coming back. So we will see.
As far as Mahomes, its my opinion he doesnt make the playoffs with the Colts inferior roster. But at least I dont post the same shitty threads multiple times a day.
You're a special one. Ill give you that.
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Itll be right under your Everyone on this team sucks but Eli thread.. Im still lol over you thinking Shea Patterson in a NFL QB its almost as stupid as your Colts dont make the playoffs with Patrick Mahomes proclamation.. Keep them coming buddy
Can you please tell me what thread was that I started saying that?
Here's the thing. I dont know if Patterson is going to be a good pro, bad pro, or whatnot. But he certainly will be scouted heavily next year, and I think he will put up some big numbers with a new OC and Passing game coach with 3 very good WRs coming back. So we will see.
As far as Mahomes, its my opinion he doesnt make the playoffs with the Colts inferior roster. But at least I dont post the same shitty threads multiple times a day.
You're a special one. Ill give you that.
Ill save you some time.. Shea Patterson sucks, his talent level is average at best and that is on the college level, he has no shot in the NFL. Michigan Qb putting up big numbers, Ill believe it when I see it.
End thread, we can all go home now.
You know how many teams are going to want Lawrence? Unless the NYG commit to going 3-13 or worse, theyre not getting the #1 pick needed to get Lawrence in 2021.
Its not all about stats, Theyll lose to Fields and Ohio State next year in the big house, death taxes and Ohio State slapping around Michigan no matter who the players are .
I lost a lot of money on Michigan to start the year in Notre Dame who handled UM. I learned with that QB they should never be favorites against anybody decent
End of the year I won it all back on a nice parlay of OSU ML and OSU over.. Can you believe UM was actually favored in that game by 4.5 and then I did the same thing against the Gators again UM was the favorite.. head scratcher
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If the Giants dont find their qb of the future this offseason, my hunch is well see a lot of similar posts next year about waiting for Lawrence in 2021 who is by far the best prospect in the 2018-2020 classes combined as of now.
You know how many teams are going to want Lawrence? Unless the NYG commit to going 3-13 or worse, theyre not getting the #1 pick needed to get Lawrence in 2021.
Since when do low probability events stop people from starting threads?
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its always about the "stats"....
Its not all about stats, Theyll lose to Fields and Ohio State next year in the big house, death taxes and Ohio State slapping around Michigan no matter who the players are .
I lost a lot of money on Michigan to start the year in Notre Dame who handled UM. I learned with that QB they should never be favorites against anybody decent
End of the year I won it all back on a nice parlay of OSU ML and OSU over.. Can you believe UM was actually favored in that game by 4.5 and then I did the same thing against the Gators again UM was the favorite.. head scratcher
Let me teach you something.
No gives a flying fuck about your betting.
We need one guy....like Mahones.
DG, go find him....you have 3 years max but the sooner the better.
And had success anyway.
Previous to this post, the worst QB prospect mentioned in the thread was Shea Patterson. That has now been trumped by the Jalen Hurts mention.
If that is how you feel then I suggest you go back and watch Fromm again. If Fromm was in this years draft he would be the #1 pick without a doubt. Fromm is my favorite QB in next years class. Go back and watch his highlights vs Alabama from December. Look at all the praise Trevor Lawrence got for his performance against Alabama and rightfully so.
Lawrence vs Alabama 20 out of 32 (62.5%) 347 yds 3 td's 0 int's
Fromm vs Alabama 25 out of 39 (64.1%) 301 yds 3 td's 0 int's
Fromm is so advanced going through his progressions. He gets rid of the ball quickly, accurate, and a good decision maker. There is a reason why Jacob Eason and Justin Fields transferred.
Fromm was the Lawrence from last year during the college season...Tua was the Lawrence from from the regular college season..Herbert was the Lawrence of draft talk from this year which then became Haskins when he declared...Someone else will the the Lawrence of the pre-draft/post-college shrine game type season...Someone else will be the Lawrence of this year's draft during the combine season...etc...etc...etc...
Feel free to exchange Lawrence's name with any other hot commodity college player or current NFL player or hidden draft gem or HOF QB or whatever....
Round and round it will go - and I will love it.
I would take him before Haskins or any of the other QBs.
We have seen players like Haskins and he will likely become a very good pro QB.
Murray on the other hand is different and has a chance to become great.
He has a unique skill set that I have not seen before.
If that is how you feel then I suggest you go back and watch Fromm again. If Fromm was in this years draft he would be the #1 pick without a doubt. Fromm is my favorite QB in next years class. Go back and watch his highlights vs Alabama from December. Look at all the praise Trevor Lawrence got for his performance against Alabama and rightfully so.
Lawrence vs Alabama 20 out of 32 (62.5%) 347 yds 3 td's 0 int's
Fromm vs Alabama 25 out of 39 (64.1%) 301 yds 3 td's 0 int's
Fromm is so advanced going through his progressions. He gets rid of the ball quickly, accurate, and a good decision maker. There is a reason why Jacob Eason and Justin Fields transferred.
I may be wrong but Fromm doesnt impress me.. I thought he looked awful against UT and to often his play seemed to fluctuate... up and down.
I will be surprised if Fromm is anything more then a backup in the NFL.. again just my opinion but I dont think hes overly talented
I would take him before Haskins or any of the other QBs.
We have seen players like Haskins and he will likely become a very good pro QB.
Murray on the other hand is different and has a chance to become great.
He has a unique skill set that I have not seen before.
Murray is very interesting but can you see a team like the Giants taking that risk.. Id be very surprised ....pleasantly surprised
Likely Fromm will be a 2nd day pick at best as his physical attributes simply do not translate to the NFL level
Now I've read it all on BBI, Fromm a day 2 pick. This guy would be the consensus top qb pick in this draft, he is nothing like Danny Kanell. He is very talented, my guess is you watched him play once or never.
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Likely Fromm will be a 2nd day pick at best as his physical attributes simply do not translate to the NFL level
Now I've read it all on BBI, Fromm a day 2 pick. This guy would be the consensus top qb pick in this draft, he is nothing like Danny Kanell. He is very talented, my guess is you watched him play once or never.
I disagree that Fromm would be the consensus top QB in this draft. Haskins does a lot of things better than Fromm does. Btw, this is from TheDraftNetwork's Benjamin Solak in December on the 2020 QB's.
and this is from Dane Brugler in October responding to a question about the 2020 qbs:
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Fromm is a nice player, but he's not close to Tua. Might not be a top-5 QB.
The guys who aren't in the current draft class always seem to have less flaws but that's just because they're not being looked at closely and nitpicked by the draft media so often that their flaws are pounded into our heads.
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That's the thing, he's inconsistent AND has average tools. At his BEST I think he might be a Kirk Cousins...great protection and great WRs and he could be good. But Fromm ain't even there yet. And Idk if he gets there.
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Fromm just ain't it man. The spurt against Bama was fun, but way too many games like this all year.
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is the prototypical College football QB similar to Danny Kanell coming out of Florida St.
Likely Fromm will be a 2nd day pick at best as his physical attributes simply do not translate to the NFL level
Now I've read it all on BBI, Fromm a day 2 pick. This guy would be the consensus top qb pick in this draft, he is nothing like Danny Kanell. He is very talented, my guess is you watched him play once or never.
Its amazing how the people on this message board love to speak in absolutes.. Who said Fromm would be the consensus #1 QB in this draft? There are multiple reports above from scouts who say the same thing I think... Fromm is average at best
Mayfield is short and a hothead.
Darnold fumbles a lot.
Allen is inaccurate.
Rosen is frail and has no interest in playing football.
Jackson can't throw.
Murray, Haskins, Jones and Lock are a better class.
This is how I rank them all pre-draft:
Murray > Haskins > Darnold > Allen > Mayfield > Rosen > Jones > LJax > Lock > And the joke's on you if you still think I'm serious.
Mayfield > Haskins > Darnold > Allen > Murray > Rosen > Lock > LJax > Jones
I would gladly be wrong about Haskins if we took him at
Six He better be the Real Fucking Deal !
I don't see DG taking a 5'8' QB either .
i STILL THINK OUR qb Will come out of the 2020 Class .
Lawrence is a pipe dream in 2021 .
As much as I want Josh Allen or Ferrell
I could see DG take Jonah Williams safe pick future Soldier
replacement .
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Patterson from Michigan.. youre kidding right? That guy has no shot in the NFL, 3rd string struggling to stay on a roster is his ceiling IMO
Thanks for your insight. Can you give us a preview of your thread tomorrow on why every QB in 2021 will bust and how we need to get Haskins no matter the cost?
Itll be right under your Everyone on this team sucks but Eli thread.. Im still lol over you thinking Shea Patterson in a NFL QB its almost as stupid as your Colts dont make the playoffs with Patrick Mahomes proclamation.. Keep them coming buddy
Or how he says ELi of this year was better than Matt Ryan.
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is the prototypical College football QB similar to Danny Kanell coming out of Florida St.
Likely Fromm will be a 2nd day pick at best as his physical attributes simply do not translate to the NFL level
Now I've read it all on BBI, Fromm a day 2 pick. This guy would be the consensus top qb pick in this draft, he is nothing like Danny Kanell. He is very talented, my guess is you watched him play once or never.
Well, I watch a ton of college football. And I don't see anything upper echelon about Fromm. He's a very good college player, but he has more characteristics of a game manager than a play maker. At least as of now...
Fromm has average size. He moves okay, but he's not going to beat you with his legs. His arm looks good, but it's not in the plus category. I do like Fromm's toughness and pocket awareness. So when I add all of that up I see more of a solid day 2 pick than a bonafide round one selection.
I'm all ears to be convinced, but I think I need to see much more...
His development from a bit of a game manager as freshman to a polished pocket QB as a sophomore was clear as day. I can easily see this guy turning into a weapon for UGA next season and setting the stage for being the number one overall pick in 2020.
Sincerely,
the Dad of a rising freshman at Univ of Georgia
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Patterson from Michigan.. youre kidding right? That guy has no shot in the NFL, 3rd string struggling to stay on a roster is his ceiling IMO
Thanks for your insight. Can you give us a preview of your thread tomorrow on why every QB in 2021 will bust and how we need to get Haskins no matter the cost?
Itll be right under your Everyone on this team sucks but Eli thread.. Im still lol over you thinking Shea Patterson in a NFL QB its almost as stupid as your Colts dont make the playoffs with Patrick Mahomes proclamation.. Keep them coming buddy
Or how he says ELi of this year was better than Matt Ryan.
Lol. Coming from the clown who doesnt watch games and just looks at stats. And makes up shit to prove his moronic posts.
We need one guy....like Mahones.
DG, go find him....you have 3 years max but the sooner the better.
If Mahomes was in this draft, BBI would find ways to talk themselves out of a pick.
People want a 100% sure thing. There's no such thing.
His development from a bit of a game manager as freshman to a polished pocket QB as a sophomore was clear as day. I can easily see this guy turning into a weapon for UGA next season and setting the stage for being the number one overall pick in 2020.
Sincerely,
the Dad of a rising freshman at Univ of Georgia
This is the type of unbiased, fair-minded commentary that I like. ; )
To be clear, I actually like Fromm. I think hed be great value as a day two prospect. I just prefer to invest top draft capital in the player with the exceptional skills.
He utilizes all of the field, all of his targets and goes thru progressions like a veteran.
Looking forward to another good season for the 'Dawgs with him a the helm...
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I really do not care about the potential of a class.
We need one guy....like Mahones.
DG, go find him....you have 3 years max but the sooner the better.
If Mahomes was in this draft, BBI would find ways to talk themselves out of a pick.
People want a 100% sure thing. There's no such thing.
And Lawrence Taylor could be in this draft and we would still have a shit load of posters saying...... WE NEED A QB!!!!!!!
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I really do not care about the potential of a class.
We need one guy....like Mahones.
DG, go find him....you have 3 years max but the sooner the better.
If Mahomes was in this draft, BBI would find ways to talk themselves out of a pick.
People want a 100% sure thing. There's no such thing.
And Lawrence Taylor could be in this draft and we would still have a shit load of posters saying...... WE NEED A QB!!!!!!!
That's probably true too. Everybody wants to be 100% comfortable with a draft pick and have zero risk.
And Lawrence Taylor could be in this draft and we would still have a shit load of posters saying...... WE NEED A QB!!!!!!!
Poor example, and not true. Pass rush is a premium skill set. Very hard to find. That skill isn't like finding a RB at any RB store in America.
And Taylor's skills were so absurdly great at UNC that I would guess it would be near unanimous to select him.
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And Lawrence Taylor could be in this draft and we would still have a shit load of posters saying...... WE NEED A QB!!!!!!!
Poor example, and not true. Pass rush is a premium skill set. Very hard to find. That skill isn't like finding a RB at any RB store in America.
And Taylor's skills were so absurdly great at UNC that I would guess it would be near unanimous to select him.
Bullshit. We have had posters here say take a QB no matter what. It could be the next lawrence taylor, Ed Reed, JJ Watt, Saquan Barkley, Tomlinson - or whoever you want to fill in. If we dont draft Haskins or Murray - people here wont be happy.
Thats 100% fact.
Bullshit. We have had posters here say take a QB no matter what. It could be the next lawrence taylor, Ed Reed, JJ Watt, Saquan Barkley, Tomlinson - or whoever you want to fill in. If we dont draft Haskins or Murray - people here wont be happy.
Thats 100% fact.
I think the overwhelming majority of posters are keen enough recognize unusual skills that are highly valued in the league. That's what Taylor had. He was completely different. Jumped off the screen. Go look at his footage at Carolina on Youtube. It's just insane.
The RB position has been commoditized. There is nothing special about those skills versus what a pass rusher like Taylor brought.
Sure, there may be an outlier who wants a QB - like Milton's romance with Darnold. But I think even he would come around if he saw Taylor's skills before the draft.