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Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/17/2019 2:17 pm
Having been somewhat appreciative of mindfulness for years, I have really started devoting some time and energy to this. The concept of being fully present and not thinking about the past or future...simply focusing on the here and now has been very eye opening.

I have started moving into meditation and was curious if other BBI folks who meditate might want to have a chat about it.
I can't hear you  
idiotsavant : 1/17/2019 2:25 pm : link
I'm doing my chackras.
google Landmark Education  
gtt350 : 1/17/2019 3:39 pm : link
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Yes I've been in and out  
Jay in Toronto : 1/17/2019 3:42 pm : link
Since Dr Benson days. Alot of evidence re health benefits.

BTW, I really like the corpue of guided meditations on the appy Insight Timer
mindfulness is basically the old EST training from the 70's  
gtt350 : 1/17/2019 3:42 pm : link
Werner Erhart. very effective as is Landmark which grew from EST
I'm a pioneer  
Bill L : 1/17/2019 3:45 pm : link
I've present pretty much my whole life being present and not thinking. And, I can provide references.
Yes with Dialectical Behavior Therapy  
Ssanders9816 : 1/17/2019 4:00 pm : link
It works wonders
Isn’t landmark kinda cultish?  
DC Gmen Fan : 1/17/2019 4:06 pm : link
I’ve been using 10 percent happier. Joseph Goldstein has a lot of great lessons
Meditating  
charlito : 1/17/2019 4:45 pm : link
Is a must for everybody along with intermittent fasting. The human mind (most powerful thing on this planet) and body needs a break from what you see and hear. Just have to determine what's the best time to meditate. For some reason I end up out of my physical body when I meditate once getting up.
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arcarsenal : 1/17/2019 4:49 pm : link
I've always struggled with meditation because my mind just races by nature and it's hard to get it to slow down. I'm one of those people who is always trying to think about and do a million things at once.

I paid for the Calm app about a month ago and have been using it each morning (well, most mornings) and I'm getting much better with it. The daily 10 minute sessions are great - and they're new every day.

It's a little pricey, but worth the investment for me. I've spent 80 bucks on far worse things in my life.

Being present and mindful really does enhance your life once you get comfortable doing it, though. It's very worthwhile.

I think we're always just in overdrive and so rarely take time to take a step back and really assess where we're at and what is surrounding us. We've got our faces buried in our phones everywhere we go. I feel like I spend entire days on auto pilot. Learning to slow my mind down and organize my thoughts has made a big difference.
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Chris in Philly : 1/17/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14267009 arcarsenal said:
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...Learning to slow my mind down and organize my thoughts has made a big difference.


It just hasn't translated into good posts. But there's still time!

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arcarsenal : 1/17/2019 5:11 pm : link
A surprise snipe from the balcony!
For me my meditations  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/17/2019 6:24 pm : link
Have been a bit of a challenge of finding the right thing to focus on. Some focus on breathing, or body awareness, or sounds in the room...for me what I found that works best is counting to 10 counting with each exhalation. Exhale....one....breath...exhale...two... I find that clears the thoughts well. Then of course they return and I'm pretty good at noticing when I'm having a thought and do my best to return. 10 minutes of this is my current limit. Trying to expand.
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arcarsenal : 1/17/2019 6:34 pm : link
One of the things that I find helps me is to pick out some sort of visualization that I can keep returning to every time I drift off or my mind starts wandering back to work things or other aspects of life.

(I know, I'm putting jokes on a tee here)

It can be anything, really - just a visualization you can hold.
Yes  
leatherneck570 : 1/17/2019 6:48 pm : link
always struggled with being present and recently stumbled across mindfulness. I've been using the Oak app and it's definitely been helping so far.
I don't meditate  
David in Belmont : 1/17/2019 7:15 pm : link
but a while back I took a class in mindfulness. It was very helpful. It taught me (a) that deep breathing is a good technique for relaxing - I now try to spend 1-2 minutes doing it at least once or twice a day, or whenever I feel very stressed and (b) many of the stretching exercises I do before volleyball or riding my bike are really yoga. And those exercises also help me to relax.

So you don't have to meditate in order to benefit from mindfulness.

Hope that's helpful.
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Zepp : 1/17/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14267009 arcarsenal said:
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I've always struggled with meditation because my mind just races by nature and it's hard to get it to slow down. I'm one of those people who is always trying to think about and do a million things at once.

I paid for the Calm app about a month ago and have been using it each morning (well, most mornings) and I'm getting much better with it. The daily 10 minute sessions are great - and they're new every day.

It's a little pricey, but worth the investment for me. I've spent 80 bucks on far worse things in my life.

Being present and mindful really does enhance your life once you get comfortable doing it, though. It's very worthwhile.

I think we're always just in overdrive and so rarely take time to take a step back and really assess where we're at and what is surrounding us. We've got our faces buried in our phones everywhere we go. I feel like I spend entire days on auto pilot. Learning to slow my mind down and organize my thoughts has made a big difference.


Arc that is ok if your mind is racing. Its not about emptying your mind. Its about being able to acknowledge and observe your thoughts and practice letting them go. It sounds easier than it is but it really takes a lot of practice. So just imagine yourself meditating and whatever thoughts you get, let them come in like video clips going down a stream. Watch them, observe them and let them go and wait for the next thought if it comes. That way when you get those same thoughts in your life whether they be negative or whatever you will have had practice letting them go and not letting the negativity eat you up.
I've always wanted to do this  
kelsto811 : 1/17/2019 8:01 pm : link
Just not sure how to find time and a routine with two young kids, a wife, and a 9-5
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arcarsenal : 1/17/2019 8:13 pm : link
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I've always struggled with meditation because my mind just races by nature and it's hard to get it to slow down. I'm one of those people who is always trying to think about and do a million things at once.

I paid for the Calm app about a month ago and have been using it each morning (well, most mornings) and I'm getting much better with it. The daily 10 minute sessions are great - and they're new every day.

It's a little pricey, but worth the investment for me. I've spent 80 bucks on far worse things in my life.

Being present and mindful really does enhance your life once you get comfortable doing it, though. It's very worthwhile.

I think we're always just in overdrive and so rarely take time to take a step back and really assess where we're at and what is surrounding us. We've got our faces buried in our phones everywhere we go. I feel like I spend entire days on auto pilot. Learning to slow my mind down and organize my thoughts has made a big difference.



Arc that is ok if your mind is racing. Its not about emptying your mind. Its about being able to acknowledge and observe your thoughts and practice letting them go. It sounds easier than it is but it really takes a lot of practice. So just imagine yourself meditating and whatever thoughts you get, let them come in like video clips going down a stream. Watch them, observe them and let them go and wait for the next thought if it comes. That way when you get those same thoughts in your life whether they be negative or whatever you will have had practice letting them go and not letting the negativity eat you up.


Appreciate the tips!
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RasputinPrime : 1/17/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14267009 arcarsenal said:
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I've always struggled with meditation because my mind just races by nature and it's hard to get it to slow down. I'm one of those people who is always trying to think about and do a million things at once.

I paid for the Calm app about a month ago and have been using it each morning (well, most mornings) and I'm getting much better with it. The daily 10 minute sessions are great - and they're new every day.

It's a little pricey, but worth the investment for me. I've spent 80 bucks on far worse things in my life.

Being present and mindful really does enhance your life once you get comfortable doing it, though. It's very worthwhile.

I think we're always just in overdrive and so rarely take time to take a step back and really assess where we're at and what is surrounding us. We've got our faces buried in our phones everywhere we go. I feel like I spend entire days on auto pilot. Learning to slow my mind down and organize my thoughts has made a big difference.


I've used it for years on an almost daily basis albeit mostly for the nature sounds that drown out my alleged snoring.
RE: Isn’t landmark kinda cultish?  
gtt350 : 1/17/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14266966 DC Gmen Fan said:
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I’ve been using 10 percent happier. Joseph Goldstein has a lot of great lessons


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I’ve  
Les in TO : 1/17/2019 8:25 pm : link
Been using a meditation app first thing in the morning, walking to and from work, last thing before bed and before big presentations. It’s been great really focuses on being present and calm.
RE: mindfulness is basically the old EST training from the 70's  
Jay in Toronto : 1/17/2019 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14266940 gtt350 said:
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Werner Erhart. very effective as is Landmark which grew from EST


I went to one of those Landmark intros and it was repugnant to me. Also wouldn't call it mindfulness meditation.
good stuff Bold  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/17/2019 11:52 pm : link
I just tried it out
Sam Harris’ Waking Up meditation app...  
trueblueinpw : 1/18/2019 6:48 am : link
I don’t use it but I listen to the podcast and read his books. I trust Sam Harris to put forward an intelligent product without any hidden agenda or creepy motives. He’s written a lot about meditation and mindfulness. His podcast has several interviews and segments on the matter of meditation. Maybe check him out.
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j_rud : 1/18/2019 7:04 am : link
In comment 14267009 arcarsenal said:
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I've always struggled with meditation because my mind just races by nature and it's hard to get it to slow down. I'm one of those people who is always trying to think about and do a million things at once.


I used to feel the same way. I kinda thought thst if people were able to meditate that it just came naturally to them. Was talking about it with a friend a few years back and he just laughed at me. His point was that most people drawn to meditation and similar practices are drawn to it exactly because they have racing thoughts etc and want to take a breather.

Now i think of it like a muscle: the first day you walk into the gym you arent gonna bench 300 lbs. The first time you go for a run youre not gonna go for 10 miles. But if you put the work in thr growth is there. Coincidentally just like cardio if I spend some time away from it it takes awhile to knock the rust out and get back into form. Start with some guided meditations on youtube. 5 minutes. And build from there.

Im not a religious guy, probably agnostic at best. But there is something about meditation that puts me in a good headspace. Makes me feel more connected to the world around me. Simply stated, Im much less of a self centered asshole when i take 15-20 minutes a day to just let go of the stress and be in the present moment.
Both personally and  
Rick5 : 1/18/2019 7:17 am : link
professionally. I have been meditating since the 1990s and originally learned how to meditate from a zen teacher. I have been involved with a few different Soto zen groups over the years. I am also a psychologist, and mindfulness-based approaches are a large part of my practice. I meditate for 30 minutes per day on most days. I have been doing that since '97 or so.
Highly  
Jon in NYC : 1/18/2019 7:36 am : link
recommend the headspace app.
Regular doing it  
micky : 1/18/2019 7:41 am : link
Having difficulty with it but getting grasp lately
I don't as often as I should  
jcn56 : 1/18/2019 7:44 am : link
but a college professor recommended it to me because I've got a good case of ADD and combined with some family problems I was having at the time, meditation was just what the doctor ordered. Back before the wife and the kids I would do it consistently for about 20 minutes a day.

I still use it to this day when I hit a roadblock at work. I'll try to clear my head for about 15-20 min, then go back to try to resolve the issue that was giving me a hard time. Very effective.

Also good for hypertension believe it or not, so long as you couple it with breathing exercises. Not a replacement for a beta blocker if you need one, but definitely helps regulate.
I’ve used  
Tim in Capital City : 1/18/2019 9:35 am : link
Both 10% happier and Waking Up. They’re both very good...the most important thing is finding a teacher who you like. I’m a Joseph Goldstein fan. Sam Harris is good too.

Kelsto - working it into your daily routine can be tough. 10% Happier has a bunch of different length options as well as some walking meditations. Could be worth checking out.
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BlueLou'sBack : 1/18/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14267110 Bold Ruler said:
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Have been a bit of a challenge of finding the right thing to focus on. Some focus on breathing, or body awareness, or sounds in the room...for me what I found that works best is counting to 10 counting with each exhalation. Exhale....one....breath...exhale...two... I find that clears the thoughts well. Then of course they return and I'm pretty good at noticing when I'm having a thought and do my best to return. 10 minutes of this is my current limit. Trying to expand.


Focusing on your breathing is the classical meditation of yoga. As I was taught it, it's not even called meditation but rather "breathing exercises", at least in the native language of the discipline I practiced, Korean. It may be as important to breathe very slowly and very deeply, using the diaphragm muscle alone, as it is to clear the mind. . Basically that's it. Completely relax every other muscle in the body (lying on one's back one feels as if sinking or sagging into the floor) and breath deeply into the diaphragm counting silently 10 seconds each inhale and exhale.

When done right, you feel super "present" and notice that you hear all sorts of sounds from the area that you'd previously been ignoring or overlooking. It's very refreshing when you are done. My teacher used to say it was better than sleep for recharging your battery.
Found it interesting that a British reporter asked  
Beezer : 1/18/2019 12:53 pm : link
Fizdale about the mindfulness exercises he watched the Knicks doing in their warm-ups at a practice in London. If you follow anything about the Knicks, you know he's incorporated this, and he commented that he wants to help these young guys with their breathing and better handling stress.
BTW,  
Rick5 : 1/19/2019 10:01 am : link
my favorite self help book that incorporates tons mindfulness stuff is The Happiness Trap by Russ Harris. I recommend that book to everyone.
Tons  
Rick5 : 1/19/2019 10:01 am : link
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arcarsenal : 1/19/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14267343 j_rud said:
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In comment 14267009 arcarsenal said:


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I've always struggled with meditation because my mind just races by nature and it's hard to get it to slow down. I'm one of those people who is always trying to think about and do a million things at once.



I used to feel the same way. I kinda thought thst if people were able to meditate that it just came naturally to them. Was talking about it with a friend a few years back and he just laughed at me. His point was that most people drawn to meditation and similar practices are drawn to it exactly because they have racing thoughts etc and want to take a breather.

Now i think of it like a muscle: the first day you walk into the gym you arent gonna bench 300 lbs. The first time you go for a run youre not gonna go for 10 miles. But if you put the work in thr growth is there. Coincidentally just like cardio if I spend some time away from it it takes awhile to knock the rust out and get back into form. Start with some guided meditations on youtube. 5 minutes. And build from there.

Im not a religious guy, probably agnostic at best. But there is something about meditation that puts me in a good headspace. Makes me feel more connected to the world around me. Simply stated, Im much less of a self centered asshole when i take 15-20 minutes a day to just let go of the stress and be in the present moment.


I've definitely improved with it as time has gone on. I remember the first few times I ever tried it... I was like "this is impossible, forget it..." but now I actually have sessions where I manage to clear my conscience for most of it and I always just feel this nice sense of "reset" when I'm done.

I just have to stick with it. The biggest hurdle for me is that. I like that the Calm app tracks streaks and time spent being mindful. It kind of motivates me to keep going and not break my streaks.
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Rick5 : 1/19/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14268472 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14267343 j_rud said:


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In comment 14267009 arcarsenal said:


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I've always struggled with meditation because my mind just races by nature and it's hard to get it to slow down. I'm one of those people who is always trying to think about and do a million things at once.



I used to feel the same way. I kinda thought thst if people were able to meditate that it just came naturally to them. Was talking about it with a friend a few years back and he just laughed at me. His point was that most people drawn to meditation and similar practices are drawn to it exactly because they have racing thoughts etc and want to take a breather.

Now i think of it like a muscle: the first day you walk into the gym you arent gonna bench 300 lbs. The first time you go for a run youre not gonna go for 10 miles. But if you put the work in thr growth is there. Coincidentally just like cardio if I spend some time away from it it takes awhile to knock the rust out and get back into form. Start with some guided meditations on youtube. 5 minutes. And build from there.

Im not a religious guy, probably agnostic at best. But there is something about meditation that puts me in a good headspace. Makes me feel more connected to the world around me. Simply stated, Im much less of a self centered asshole when i take 15-20 minutes a day to just let go of the stress and be in the present moment.



I've definitely improved with it as time has gone on. I remember the first few times I ever tried it... I was like "this is impossible, forget it..." but now I actually have sessions where I manage to clear my conscience for most of it and I always just feel this nice sense of "reset" when I'm done.

I just have to stick with it. The biggest hurdle for me is that. I like that the Calm app tracks streaks and time spent being mindful. It kind of motivates me to keep going and not break my streaks.

Trying to do 10 minutes felt like a form of mild torture for the first 3 years or so for me. After 5 years or so, 30 minutes started to seem too short much of the time.
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arcarsenal : 1/19/2019 4:36 pm : link
Rick, that's also a great point - I remember the first time I ever even tried to meditate and was surprised people were able to manage that for 10 minutes, let alone 30 to a hour+.

The 10 minutes seem to be gone so much faster now; presumably because my mind is wandering less and less and I'm not actively thinking about the time.
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