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NFL Draft: Players with Significant Divergences in Rank...

M.S. : 1/18/2019 6:31 am

...just for fun I looked at the recent Ourlads' Top 33 Ranked players and compared with recent list from GBN Draft Report.

I have tremendous respect for both services and it shouldn't come as too big a surprise that they are in close agreement on numerous top college prospects.

For example, 4 (out of Ourlads' Top 33 prospects) have the exact same rank as GBN. And another 14 are within five ranked slots.

What may be of some interest down the road is where there are signficiant divergences between the two. A few examples:

Ed Oliver (DT; Houston)
19 Ourlads' Rank
3 GBN

Jaquan Johnson (FS; Miami)
27 Ourlads' Rank
88 GBN

Deebo Samuel (WR; South Carolina)
25 Ourlads' Rank
73 GBN

Michael Deiter (C/G; Wisconsin)
31 Ourlads' Rank
71 GBN

Devin Bush (OLB; Michigan)
16 Ourlads' Rank
36 GBN

Will be interesting to see how these rankings change as we get closer to the Draft.



WalterFootball had Jonah Williams as the THIRD best OT  
Anakim : 1/18/2019 7:03 am : link
Behind Taylor and Little
This will all be adjusted after the combine  
ZogZerg : 1/18/2019 7:06 am : link
I'm sure the ranking will look much closer after that. Some of these guys will realize they F-d up and will update.
It's not a science,  
idiotsavant : 1/18/2019 8:11 am : link
But CBS has been a good source
For example  
idiotsavant : 1/18/2019 8:15 am : link
One thing Reese failed to account for was the difference between college and professional with regards to size / skills of linemen. On O ergo on D and Visa versa.

Another thing, there are what, 4000 eligible young players and only 300 at the combine?

One drags a wide net prior to or you are simply handing your decision to others.
I have seen Watkins as high as like 5  
robbieballs2003 : 1/18/2019 8:31 am : link
To not in the first. Conclusion: most don't know jack shit.
Looks like the guy i want  
rasbutant : 1/18/2019 9:13 am : link
has moved all the way up to #2 in Mel Kipers latest mock.

Not sure were Ourlad has him, but GBDR has him #8.
RE: I have seen Watkins as high as like 5  
jeff57 : 1/18/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14267379 robbieballs2003 said:
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To not in the first. Conclusion: most don't know jack shit.


Wilkins? Haskins?
RE: It's not a science,  
Anakim : 1/18/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14267368 idiotsavant said:
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But CBS has been a good source


CBS has taken a huge nosedive since Brugler and Reuter left. The new guy, Trapasso, sucks.
RE: RE: It's not a science,  
jeff57 : 1/18/2019 10:12 am : link
In comment 14267460 Anakim said:
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In comment 14267368 idiotsavant said:


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But CBS has been a good source



CBS has taken a huge nosedive since Brugler and Reuter left. The new guy, Trapasso, sucks.


Agree. Used to be good. Terrible now.
RE: RE: It's not a science,  
Jay in Toronto : 1/18/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14267460 Anakim said:
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In comment 14267368 idiotsavant said:


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But CBS has been a good source



CBS has taken a huge nosedive since Brugler and Reuter left. The new guy, Trapasso, sucks.


Where have they gone?
RE: RE: RE: It's not a science,  
Anakim : 1/18/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14267476 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14267460 Anakim said:


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In comment 14267368 idiotsavant said:


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But CBS has been a good source



CBS has taken a huge nosedive since Brugler and Reuter left. The new guy, Trapasso, sucks.



Where have they gone?


Brugler is with the Atlantic and on many podcasts, including his own. Reuter, I think, does NFL Draft Scout.
past drafts  
INDYJIM : 1/18/2019 10:56 am : link
HAS ANYONE COMPILED A LIST OF THE DRAFT PREDICTIONS FROM A COUPLE OF THESE GROUPS AND THE ACTUAL DRAFT SPOT THAT WAS MADE FOR THAT PLAYER FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW CLOSE THE DRAFT PREDICTORS REALLY COME.
sorry for the cap lock on  
INDYJIM : 1/18/2019 10:57 am : link
please forgive me
RE: past drafts  
Anakim : 1/18/2019 10:57 am : link
In comment 14267507 INDYJIM said:
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HAS ANYONE COMPILED A LIST OF THE DRAFT PREDICTIONS FROM A COUPLE OF THESE GROUPS AND THE ACTUAL DRAFT SPOT THAT WAS MADE FOR THAT PLAYER FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW CLOSE THE DRAFT PREDICTORS REALLY COME.


Why are you yelling?
I agree with wilkins  
lightemup : 1/18/2019 11:56 am : link
as being the guy nobody has a consensus as to where hes going. I've seen him as high as top 5 and as low as 28. I don't get it. To me he's closer to a top 5-10 pick over a bottom first round pick. He"ll be a very good pro in the NFL. Wouldn't mind him at 6.
The wide variance on some players ratings tells me  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/18/2019 1:57 pm : link
at least two things. One is that player evaluation is a very inexact procedure with loads of complex variables, and among those variables is the players' psychological makeup.

Example: Tom Coughlin knows more about football than any darn encyclopedia, yet he couldn't figure out how to make Reuben Randle into anything above "meh". TC insisted Randle had the skill set (and I believe TC), Reese extolled RR as a "steal" at the bottom of round 2, yet no one knew his mental make up just wasn't suited to excel in the NFL. How do you judge heart? Reese was just terrible at this by and large, and it seemed the entire Giants scouting staff just lost this ability, to judge heart, under the Reese and Ross regime. Do I even need to list the examples?

Second is that these lists have different priorities whether admitted or not. The biggest split is evaluators' trying to assess actual talent and extrapolation to NFL level success, and those who are simply tring to guess who are the 100 guys first taken, which is factoring team needs. I think the Huddle Report actually does both types of lists: 100 or more best players suited to NFL success, AND first 100 guys off the Board, which they are usually very good at. The latter list is obviously reading tea leaves among NFL front offices and scouts and even college sources, the former should be based mostly on tape and interviews, at least among the guys who actually have access to the players.
RE: RE: I have seen Watkins as high as like 5  
robbieballs2003 : 1/18/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14267433 jeff57 said:
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To not in the first. Conclusion: most don't know jack shit.



Wilkins? Haskins?


Yes to Wilkins. My bad.
As much as these lists vary  
idiotsavant : 1/18/2019 5:15 pm : link
Reality ...ten years after, how players actually did, looking back, varies much, much more.

If anything, the industry chases each other's leads.

Remember, combine is less than 10 percent of eligible kids
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