Let me start by saying, I'm a huge Gettleman fan. I think he has a strong history of drafting and finding quality players in mid rounds in the draft and his pro personnel knowledge, according to Mara is "second to none" in the NFL. I also just love how open he is with the media, which is in complete contrast to what Reese was. And last, hes' just flat out hillarious....a real character and just entertaining to listen to. Yes, he's definitely made some mistakes...but no GM bats .1000. That being said.....
I've watched his press conferences in Carolina and went back and read about his moves there, so I have a good sense of the tough decisions that he made and what "could" equate to what he's going to do this off-season. Anything is possible, but if you read into his tendencies in Carolina and really listen to what he says...you can draw some conclusions to what he's going to do. If I were a betting man, I'm guessing he does the following in the offseason:
1) I think he cuts Jackrabbit. He rebuilt the CB's in Carolina after letting Josh Norman walk and he fully thinks you can draft CB's in mid rounds and develop them into starting CB's. In 2016 he drafted CB's in rounds 2, 3 and 4. Bradberry, Worley and Zack Sanchez. Sanchez proved to be a bust...but Worley and Bradberry have turned into good NFL CB's. He drafted another one in the 5th round in 2017. I like Jackrabbit, but he'll be 31 next year....and when it comes to it, he's not going to cut a pass rusher in Vernon....and its more of a need at this point. It saves the Giants alot of money against the cap, as Jenkins has been paid all of his guaranteed $$. And if he holds true to his belief that if you have a number of good pass rushers, then you can get by with average to above average CB's. I see him going with Beal, Grant Haley, a veteran FA CB, maybe BW Webb and I think he drafts 1-2 CB's.
2) He'll sign a pass rusher in Free Agency, keep Vernon and draft at least 1 pass rusher. This is a no brainer.
Maybe he can get Vernon to restructure....I doubt it and it probably isn't a good longer term move to do it...but I don't see him parting ways with him. I also think he drafts a 1 technique in mid rounds to be a solid backup and work into the rotation with Tomlinson. Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma comes to mind.
3) He signs Daryl Williams to play RT and Tyrann Matthieu to join the secondary. Many beat reporters have reported this and it makes too much sense. Betcher knows Honey Badger well, Matthieu knows the system. If there isn't a locker room/culture concern....this makes alot of sense. (if he doesn't cost too much) We need playmakers and Matthieu can play in the slot, and some safety....will be a nice compliment to Collins. And Williams was drafted by Gettleman in the 4th round in Carolina....it just makes too much sense at its arguably the biggest need on the team.
I also think signing UFA Devin Funchess WR, from Carolina is a possibility. Gettleman is a big Funchess fan (another draft pick), and as long as he doesn't command too much $$; he's that WR that can catch 40-50 balls. (Eric brought this up the other day about Latimer...can he catch 40-50 balls?) Funchess will cost more, so this is a factor.
4) He signs Landon Collins to a fair long term deal. Kid has limitations in coverage, but he's damn good player and plays the games the way its supposed to be played. He's only 24...it would be a mistake to move on him and it seems like its getting harder and harder to find quality safeties.
5) Eli - not sure what to think here. Part of me thinks he comes back, due to the endorsement from Shurmur....but not at a $23 cap hit. You can argue that he makes what QB's make....but he doesn't win games like he used to. Rivers, Big Ben, Nick Foles can demand the high salary as they're getting their teams to the playoffs...Manning just hasn't.
6) OBJ - very outside chance that he could get traded...but very unlikely. He would free up alot of $$ to put the Giants in better long term financial health. At this point, even though I've loved OBJ, I would prefer to build the team around Saquon. Will be interesting to see what happens here.
Thoughts?
I dont see that happening.
I would love to see Funches in this offense. I think we need a big deep threat, would make OBJ that much better.
I dont see that happening.
I would love to see Funches in this offense. I think we need a big deep threat, would make OBJ that much better.
that's pretty much what I said.
Although if the 49ers offer the Giants the 2nd pick....it would be crazy not to do it.
It would involve ownership, and that's not going anywhere. They need the return on their investment, superstar-wise.
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anyone thinks OBJ is getting traded.
I dont see that happening.
I would love to see Funches in this offense. I think we need a big deep threat, would make OBJ that much better.
that's pretty much what I said.
Although if the 49ers offer the Giants the 2nd pick....it would be crazy not to do it.
For the #2 pick i'm sure they would. But again i just done see it happening.
I do agree that a lot of the focus of the off season is going to be to fix the defense. they were really terrible in the 4th Q of almost every game this year
I don't understand why the trade OBJ thing still keeps coming up as a thing people think is likely or more than remotely possible.
I'm also not sure about Matthieu. He reportedly loves it in Houston and is a top priority for them to re-sign. Plus, he's likely to get $8-10M per season and I imagine Collins will get at least that too. Hard to tie ~$20M per year of cap space up in the safeties.
I definitely think he makes at least one big splash in the FA OL market, be it C-RG-RT.
He's not trading OBJ and I hope they pass on Funchess unless it's for $1-2M per. He's a JAG and I don't think he's even a special teams standout.
smart to look at Gettleman's previous Carolina stint
Just hearing Gettleman's end of season comments - I think Eli takes a pay cut or we move on from him.
I don't understand why the trade OBJ thing still keeps coming up as a thing people think is likely or more than remotely possible.
First, I agree there's almost no chance OBJ is traded unless they get blown away with an offer (i.e more than just the #2 overall pick).
But while Beckham isn't on his rookie deal anymore, any team trading for him would have him locked up for 5 years at below market value since they wouldn't be on the hook for the signing bonus money. Basically they'd owe him:
$17M
$14.25M
$15.75M
$15M
$15M
Not "cheap", but a few million below what a WR of his caliber would cost.
That said, I bet Brown could be had for their 2nd round pick.
...very well laid out.
Your #1 has the most controversy surrounding it, and my bet is Giants DO NOT cut Janoris Jenkins.
Why?
Because this past season he often times neutralized opposing teams' best receivers. Just ask Amari Cooper how he did in the last game of the regular season.
No need. I'll tell you.
Dak Prescott threw for 387 yards (and 4 TDs), but Amari Cooper had only 5 catches for 31 yards. Janoris Jenkins made him disappear, and he did so to other top receivers throughout this past season.
So, while I buy into your thought that a fearsome pass rush can allow teams to get away with mid-level CBs, I don't subscribe to such a theory given the Giants back-7 can't cover a 3-legged tortoise.
Translation: Gettleman would be making a huge mistake to cut Janoris Jenkins! He's worth every single penny we pay him!!
And if I was John Mara, and Gettleman came to me with a plan to cut Janoris Jenkins, I would tell Gettleman to look for other work outside the Giants organization.
He was a Gettleman pick, but he has regressed and it is mostly due to work ethic and attitude.
I could go either way with the Jackrabbit scenario. Norman was let go because his disruption to the team and the avoidance of what would've been ridiculous salary demands the following year. Plus, Gettleman and the staff believed a lot of Norman's success was because of the switch to a zone scheme.
But a very good write-up.
Vernon, on the other hand, I think there is a good chance he's cut. But Gettleman could keep him as well, because he's playing well and there is no obvious replacement for him on the roster, and they already need an edge even if they don't jettison Vernon.
But if I were a betting man, it would be Jenkins staying out of the two.
I do hope he gets a good RT in here some way.
This D needs some big upgrades, but Jenkins is an area I would leave alone. Focus up front and at the linebacker position.
Although, the Giants will $32M in salary cap space to spend, there are a number of teams with a whole lot more cap space to spend than that. Between competition for FAs and having to resign or replace 26 players, I don't see where they will have enough left over to reasonably compete for some of these other FAs we would all love to see.
Why would Gettleman sign him to a gigantic contract extension only to trade him one year later and incur a huge amount of dead cap?
Even for a windfall of draft picks I don't see it.
If Gettleman wanted Beckham out it would have happened last year.
How much is he due in 2018? Is it really that much?
How much is he due in 2018? Is it really that much?
2nd highest paid D player after Vernon. Cap hit of $14.75M in both 2019 and 2020. Cap savings of $7.75M if cut before March or about $11.25M if designated a June 1 cap cut.
If they can sign Williams, that frees them up to use the draft to go where the strength is (defense) and where they are weakest.
I don't buy anything about Odell being traded. If anything, his name is likely floated by the Steelers to try to at least get some value for Brown, who they are clearly going to trade.
I don't know if I see the Honey Badger coming. That opportunity was this past year and he went to Houston. If his market is depressed, then maybe.
I also think he keeps Jenkins. Vernon maybe not so much.
DG has to have a much better FAcy year, than the last one...'nuff said on that....
Jenkins is a huge question mark....he is the only viable corner on the team....cutting him saves money, but creates another huge hole, on a team already full of them....But the one thing that bothers me about Jenkins is, his play seems to depend on the play of the whole team....when the whole defense is playing ok, so does he....but when it doesn't his game goes south as well...
As for OV, he is one of those tempting guys.....when healthy he is a playah.....unfortunately, he just seems to come up with an injury every year for us....and can Bettcher teach him to contain? Cutting him would create another hole....
Cutting OV or Jenkins, creates cap space that would be needed for their replacements....
As far as cap space goes, we may have enough, for one, possibly two top free agents, only....
And I don't think you can give Collins top money, with his limitations....
As for Manning, I think we are stuck with him, if DG/Shurm want to see a better record this season....because there is really no option out there.....think Foles would have had led us to a better season this year if we had him behind this OL? I don't.....and to get him this coming season will be costly....
I am in favor of cutting Eli before March, and using that money elsewhere, mainly because this team is not going anywhere next season.....and there is no reason to extend Eli.....yes we may have a worse record than this season, but having a cap hit of 23M, instead of 6M, just does not make sense if this team is not a real contender for next season....but I don't think the Giants have the gonads to do it....
If they are even remotely thinking of trading OBj, than DG should be immediately fired.....then they should have franchised him, instead....
DG did not come into a good situation......but I think he has tried to compromise too much.....I don't mind losing, if in the process we are getting building blocks for the future......but if you draft a RB, and you take two years or more to get an OL in front of him, and don't have a QB to play along side of him, why draft a RB? How is that any different than the approach we have had the previous 5 seasons where we had the mentality of "we are only one or two players away"?
If they can sign Williams, that frees them up to use the draft to go where the strength is (defense) and where they are weakest.
I don't buy anything about Odell being traded. If anything, his name is likely floated by the Steelers to try to at least get some value for Brown, who they are clearly going to trade.
I don't know if I see the Honey Badger coming. That opportunity was this past year and he went to Houston. If his market is depressed, then maybe.
I also think he keeps Jenkins. Vernon maybe not so much.
Sorry, not the Steelers floating Odell's name, but the Niners who can say they will talk to the Giants and bring down Brown's price.
If you believe good D is all about the front 7, replacing 1 CB with a cheaper version is okay.
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He was the best player on D last year.
How much is he due in 2018? Is it really that much?
2nd highest paid D player after Vernon. Cap hit of $14.75M in both 2019 and 2020. Cap savings of $7.75M if cut before March or about $11.25M if designated a June 1 cap cut.
So you designate him a post-June 1 cut and you have over $3.5 million in dead money AND you don't have a single good corner on your roster. So you have to find a replacement who's performing well and is going to cost big dollars in free agency anyway or you have to rely on young unproven players and the savings probably isn't worth it.
The Giants aren't in a bad cap situation. They don't need to save the $11.25M on the cap, they are in good shape as is. I just don't see the upshot in cutting Jenkins. You don't really know what you have with Beal yet and your next best corner is B.W. Webb. Come on, now.
Honey Badger coming here is a long shot. I think he's chasing a ring. And that's not going to happen here anytime soon.
Funchess has never done anything for me. Too much of tweener between a WR and TE. Would rather roll the dice with Randall Cobb.
I do like the idea of trying to keep Vernon. And realize that's not popular, but he obviously still has a valued skill when healthy. If something can be worked out with the finances, I would like to give him one more crack.
Or, and this is more preferred, hone in on Frank Clark. Well coached and has very solid production.
I would like to get into the Rodger Saffold sweepstakes at G. Keep him at LG and move WH to RG. That would certainly help bolster the interior.
As for Gettleman, he's more of a caricature than a great GM. I am still bitter about the bullsh-t hiring process that brought him here. That was very insulting.
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He was the best player on D last year.
How much is he due in 2018? Is it really that much?
2nd highest paid D player after Vernon. Cap hit of $14.75M in both 2019 and 2020. Cap savings of $7.75M if cut before March or about $11.25M if designated a June 1 cap cut.
So you designate him a post-June 1 cut and you have over $3.5 million in dead money AND you don't have a single good corner on your roster. So you have to find a replacement who's performing well and is going to cost big dollars in free agency anyway or you have to rely on young unproven players and the savings probably isn't worth it.
The Giants aren't in a bad cap situation. They don't need to save the $11.25M on the cap, they are in good shape as is. I just don't see the upshot in cutting Jenkins. You don't really know what you have with Beal yet and your next best corner is B.W. Webb. Come on, now.
I wasn't arguing for cutting him, just answering Zog's question about his contract.
The flip side to that is that he didn't play at the level of a $14M CB last year (or the year before) and so the Giants should cut their losses.
But I agree, the Giants aren't in bad shape cap wise this season or the coming years. How much cap space they need/want (and thus whether Eli, Vernon, Jenkins, etc are really on the chopping block) comes down to who they intend to go after, which no one on BBI really knows.
- Are they content to re-sign Collins, add a big FA along the OL and then make some smaller, secondary signings? If so, then I'd expect Vernon and Jenkins to return.
- Do they want to make a run at Ford, Lawrence, Clowney, etc (assuming they aren't tagged)? If that's the case, I'd wager Vernon's gone.
The biggest wildcard for me with Jenkins is his locker room presence. There have been rumblings in the past (no so much since he's joined the Giants) about his attitude so they could use this as an opportunity to continue improving the culture.
Collins' skill set is fine...he's just out of position at S. He would be great as a LB-hybrid in today's NFL. Move him there and dump Ogletree!
I like the thought process behind DGs draft history, however. No reason not to target CB in rounds 2+ and load up on them if need be.
Especially with the former two since they wouldn't even be eligible for a comp pick.
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Keeping Collins isn't going to be worth the money he wants or what a tag would equal. He's got the wrong skills for this age of football. He can be totally exposed in the passing game. A bit of a dinosaur actually.
Collins' skill set is fine...he's just out of position at S. He would be great as a LB-hybrid in today's NFL. Move him there and dump Ogletree!
Okay, sign me up. But I thought he had zero interest in that idea...?
I dont see that happening.
I would love to see Funches in this offense. I think we need a big deep threat, would make OBJ that much better.
He is big but he is definitely not a deep threat
It would involve ownership, and that's not going anywhere. They need the return on their investment, superstar-wise.
Realistically I could kind of see OBJ being traded to the west coast, Raiders , Cards or Niners.
Especially with the former two since they wouldn't even be eligible for a comp pick.
According to reports, Collins was being shopped before the trade deadline during the season but the offer wasn't high enough.
On Vernon, we don't know if he's being shopped and the offers aren't there. Same with Jenkins.
Personally I think Vernon gets cut or traded. My guess is the former. He is not durable - and when he plays hurt he's invisible.
Okay, sign me up. But I thought he had zero interest in that idea...?
That's the speculation, but he certainly plays close to the LOS a lot, even as a S and that's without a legit centerfielder next to him.
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will be back is that neither were traded this past offseason. Unless the offers for the trio were absolute garbage, which is hard to believe with Apple netting a 4th, the Giants likely would've dealt them if they were leaning towards cutting them this offseason.
Especially with the former two since they wouldn't even be eligible for a comp pick.
According to reports, Collins was being shopped before the trade deadline during the season but the offer wasn't high enough.
On Vernon, we don't know if he's being shopped and the offers aren't there. Same with Jenkins.
Personally I think Vernon gets cut or traded. My guess is the former. He is not durable - and when he plays hurt he's invisible.
Reportedly, the Chiefs offered a 2019 4th. At best, the Giants would get a 2020 3rd round comp pick if Collins left (assuming they didn't sign anyone significant). Discounting the comp pick by a round, a 2020 3rd is probably equivalent to a 2019 4th so it's hard to believe (IMO) they wouldn't have taken the Chiefs pick if they didn't plan to retain Collins.
re: Vernon - even with his injuries, I can't imagine they couldn't get a Snacks-like 5th for him. He's not an elite edge rusher, but probably in the 2nd tier of guys and its a premium position. If you plan to cut the guy, anything is better than nothing.
Agree 100%
1) I think he cuts Jackrabbit. He rebuilt the CB's in Carolina after letting Josh Norman walk and he fully thinks you can draft CB's in mid rounds and develop them into starting CB's. In 2016 he drafted CB's in rounds 2, 3 and 4. Bradberry, Worley and Zack Sanchez. Sanchez proved to be a bust...but Worley and Bradberry have turned into good NFL CB's. He drafted another one in the 5th round in 2017. I like Jackrabbit, but he'll be 31 next year....and when it comes to it, he's not going to cut a pass rusher in Vernon....and its more of a need at this point. It saves the Giants alot of money against the cap, as Jenkins has been paid all of his guaranteed $$. And if he holds true to his belief that if you have a number of good pass rushers, then you can get by with average to above average CB's. I see him going with Beal, Grant Haley, a veteran FA CB, maybe BW Webb and I think he drafts 1-2 CB's.
This is a very distinct possibility - I think Jackrabbit didn't do well in the first half of the season -- and if the brass feels he's no good for 8 games -- better off going with youth and letting a star go a year early than a year late -- bring youth in and spend your resources building the lines - this would be a Gettleman type of move and it wouldn't bother me. There's good and bad with Jack Rabbit.
Maybe he can get Vernon to restructure....I doubt it and it probably isn't a good longer term move to do it...but I don't see him parting ways with him. I also think he drafts a 1 technique in mid rounds to be a solid backup and work into the rotation with Tomlinson. Neville Gallimore from Oklahoma comes to mind.
Gettleman for the most part has been pretty good at drafting/signing Defensive linemen. I'm real interested to see what he does with Vernon. I think whatever you are paying for with him you only get about half of it -- so the question really boils down to - is eight games with him, at double the premium price, better than 16 games without him. He is at a position of real need. I think Andy's reasoning sound here though -- so he probably stays -- maybe they try to renegotiate an incentive based deal and see what happens -- wouldn't be the first time Gettleman does that. Absolutely think there will be linemen drafted, and some FAs on scrap heap with possibilities will also be signed along with UDFAs
We really do need a RT -- and Gettleman knows it -- especially if Eli is going to remain at QB -- very plausible - thoughts on Williams --
Honey Badger will be very expensive - and I don't think you can pay Collins and Honey Badger this year when you need to purchase linemen
No to Fuchess -- I think Gettleman did a good job of bringing in better talent than Fuchess this past season -- I like what they were able to get out of both Coleman and Lattimore, and they even got stuff out of other WR bit player -- all of which were preferable to Fuchess last year
I have to admit - I am souring on Collins -- I'll be interested to see what happens here -- some games Collins lights up the world and others he seems to have zero impact - do we need another player that starts out batting under 50% of the time?
The interesting thing here is that Gettleman gave no ringing endorsement of Eli this year -- he gave other players kudos - but not Eli -- it was only "we're going to do what's best for the NY Football Giants" -- but he also expressed real admiration for Eli by calling him a mensch. I really don't think that Gettleman had made up his mind yet about Eli -- and that this was a TBD issue
On the other hand - Gettleman went out of his way to say "we didn't sign Odell to trade him" and I believe that Gettleman means that
Thoughts?
Jackrabbit is our best corner. Maybe we move on for money or maybe we don't. But I will tell you this, Bettcher did not call the same type of defense in NY that he did in ARI. In Arizona, he was more of a blitzing coach who played a ton of man coverage. In NY, he started that way but realized it wasn't in the best interest of our defense. He was more strategic with when he blitzed. If we want to be that attacking D then we need cover corners hence getting rid of Jackrabbit really hurts what Bettcher wants to do.
I think JackRabbit and Vernon are both back next year. OV was pretty much our only pass rush from the edge. And people knock him a lot but he is a good player, who has had bad luck with injuries since coming here. I think that they like Latimer enough that Funchess doesn't make sense. He is inconsistent and more expensive. Daryl Williams will be here unless he signs somewhere else in my mind. Eli? I have no idea what to think there... although I don't see any better options for next year.
I was wondering the same thing.
In 2015 took LB Shaq Thompson in the 1st round even though he already had LB Luke Kuechley and LB Thomas Davis.
In 2016 he took DT Vernon Butler in the 1st round when he already had DT Star Lotulelei and DT Kawann Short.
In 2015 took LB Shaq Thompson in the 1st round even though he already had LB Luke Kuechley and LB Thomas Davis.
In 2016 he took DT Vernon Butler in the 1st round when he already had DT Star Lotulelei and DT Kawann Short.
So we should expect a RB at #6! :-)
2. He’s gonna role with Halapio at C. He likes him and thinks that it was just a lost season to injury.
3. Jamon Brown will get competition. I don’t think he’ll place much of a premium on who that competition will be though. Maybe a 3rd round G.
4. I agree that Jackrabbit is the odd man out. Getting older. Had some tough stretches this season. Corners regress suddenly. You’re better moving on early.
5. Eli either takes a pay cut or is no longer a Giant. Gettleman won’t let himself be hamstrung by Eli’s cap # at the current level of production.
Finally. I don’t think the door is at all closed on a Beckham trade. If Sam Fran were to offer something like the #2, a 2020 2nd, and QB Nick Mullens I’d take it.
Year 1:
'Setting the stage'.
Cut Vernon.
Hire the very best Center in free agency.
Use Manning as a fort holder, to enable taking advantage of this draft. Jackrabbit stays.
Role players on both sides stay for now, short contracts, no bank breakers.
Collins may go.
2019 Draft - almost all defense
Trades give you:
6
35
38
58
88
120
(Whatever the case is, loosing 5 net, adding second rounder, moving up in mid rounds)
6-DL/DT,
35-OLB/DE,
38-FS or ILB
68-ILB or FS
88 (OG/OT or ILB or FS two each),
120-OT/TE
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2020
By 2020 you know who among the lesser role players on O have thrived in this system. Add, through free agency, specific types WRs if needed, TE if needed, etc.
Trade all your picks, if needed, to move up in the 2020 draft for the QB.
If there are any left those are for O talent.
Mannings last season , transition year .
The club has not been happy with his work ethic or production.
I severely doubt Gettleman will look at a guy like that as a reclamation project
If you are looking at who Gettleman could bring in, I would include FS Tre Boston (drafted by Gettleman) as an option.
No team can have stars at every position, because in the cap era, no team can afford to pay that many stars. You need some elite players, some very good players, and some average players -- plus coaching that masks the shortcomings of the average players and puts everybody in a good position to excel. If the Giants had been able to field an average center, right guard and right tackle for the entire season, they probably would have had a much better record. If they'd had an average pass rush they would have had a much better defense.
A few teams are able to get really loaded with talent for a while, like Seattle at their peak, partly because they have a cheap young QB freeing up cap space, partly because they get lucky in the draft (Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman were steals.). But they can't keep those collections of talent together for a long time.
The OP Andy in Boston is probably right that DG thinks you can win with a great pass rush and average corners. But let's think through what "average" means. If there are 64 starting cornerbacks in the league. "Average" means guys probably in the 28-40 range. The 40th-best cornerback in the NFL is a helluva football player. I haven't done any kind of a ranking but I bet Prince Amukamara is at about that level these days. The Bears did just fine with him. He may have been overdrafted but that's not the Bears' problem.
So that's a perfectly reasonable plan: Choose areas where you want to shoot for elite players, like pass rush and line, and build those up. If you end up average at other positions, that's fine. Just don't end up BAD at other positions.
1-- The GM thought the Gmen were good enough to be a playoff team this past year. This idiocy has me concerned.
2-- The idiocy led to grossly overpaying for an older LT and trading for Ogeltree and signing Omameh. The real stupid thing was that he thought signing an older LT who was pretty good and one subpar G in omamaeh was better than getting two your OLinemen. Simple math. Two pretty good players is beter than oen good player and one who stinks.
3-- The comments he made about the qb. Analytics is important - I understand you can't be making 100% decisions wiht it-- but his comments were dumb.
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If they love a QB at 6 the decisions are easy. If not then I'm open to nearly anything. **If they love the QB at 6 you take him and you have Mitch Morse and one of the the top3 RT's -then after than you can have two year run of drafting a lot of defense from 2019 to 2020 with are pick here or there for OL, WR and TE.
and in 2020 for FA you can pick up a good defensive player or 2.
The OP Andy in Boston is probably right that DG thinks you can win with a great pass rush and average corners. But let's think through what "average" means. If there are 64 starting cornerbacks in the league. "Average" means guys probably in the 28-40 range. The 40th-best cornerback in the NFL is a helluva football player. I haven't done any kind of a ranking but I bet Prince Amukamara is at about that level these days. The Bears did just fine with him. He may have been overdrafted but that's not the Bears' problem.
So that's a perfectly reasonable plan: Choose areas where you want to shoot for elite players, like pass rush and line, and build those up. If you end up average at other positions, that's fine. Just don't end up BAD at other positions.
This isn't really theory. The giants won twice that way. Pass rush first, corners secondary to that. Prince Amukamara is a better player now than he was as a Giant, and he was good enough to win with as a starting CB in 2011.
DG has to have a much better FAcy year, than the last one...'nuff said on that....
Jenkins is a huge question mark....he is the only viable corner on the team....cutting him saves money, but creates another huge hole, on a team already full of them....But the one thing that bothers me about Jenkins is, his play seems to depend on the play of the whole team....when the whole defense is playing ok, so does he....but when it doesn't his game goes south as well...
As for OV, he is one of those tempting guys.....when healthy he is a playah.....unfortunately, he just seems to come up with an injury every year for us....and can Bettcher teach him to contain? Cutting him would create another hole....
Cutting OV or Jenkins, creates cap space that would be needed for their replacements....
As far as cap space goes, we may have enough, for one, possibly two top free agents, only....
And I don't think you can give Collins top money, with his limitations....
As for Manning, I think we are stuck with him, if DG/Shurm want to see a better record this season....because there is really no option out there.....think Foles would have had led us to a better season this year if we had him behind this OL? I don't.....and to get him this coming season will be costly....
I am in favor of cutting Eli before March, and using that money elsewhere, mainly because this team is not going anywhere next season.....and there is no reason to extend Eli.....yes we may have a worse record than this season, but having a cap hit of 23M, instead of 6M, just does not make sense if this team is not a real contender for next season....but I don't think the Giants have the gonads to do it....
If they are even remotely thinking of trading OBj, than DG should be immediately fired.....then they should have franchised him, instead....
DG did not come into a good situation......but I think he has tried to compromise too much.....I don't mind losing, if in the process we are getting building blocks for the future......but if you draft a RB, and you take two years or more to get an OL in front of him, and don't have a QB to play along side of him, why draft a RB? How is that any different than the approach we have had the previous 5 seasons where we had the mentality of "we are only one or two players away"?
We're there really people with the mentality that we were "only one or two players away" the last five years? At a minimum we needed five new oline men 4 of those years.
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DG needs to have a successful draft.....but even with that, drafted players do not usually have an immediate impact, unless the are high picks that are no brainers like Barkley, or guys who were thought to be good, but were better than expected, like OBj....guys like Hernandez, got better as the season progressed....others may be starters, but not impact players, that may take several years to reach their potential....or never reach it....
DG has to have a much better FAcy year, than the last one...'nuff said on that....
Jenkins is a huge question mark....he is the only viable corner on the team....cutting him saves money, but creates another huge hole, on a team already full of them....But the one thing that bothers me about Jenkins is, his play seems to depend on the play of the whole team....when the whole defense is playing ok, so does he....but when it doesn't his game goes south as well...
As for OV, he is one of those tempting guys.....when healthy he is a playah.....unfortunately, he just seems to come up with an injury every year for us....and can Bettcher teach him to contain? Cutting him would create another hole....
Cutting OV or Jenkins, creates cap space that would be needed for their replacements....
As far as cap space goes, we may have enough, for one, possibly two top free agents, only....
And I don't think you can give Collins top money, with his limitations....
As for Manning, I think we are stuck with him, if DG/Shurm want to see a better record this season....because there is really no option out there.....think Foles would have had led us to a better season this year if we had him behind this OL? I don't.....and to get him this coming season will be costly....
I am in favor of cutting Eli before March, and using that money elsewhere, mainly because this team is not going anywhere next season.....and there is no reason to extend Eli.....yes we may have a worse record than this season, but having a cap hit of 23M, instead of 6M, just does not make sense if this team is not a real contender for next season....but I don't think the Giants have the gonads to do it....
If they are even remotely thinking of trading OBj, than DG should be immediately fired.....then they should have franchised him, instead....
DG did not come into a good situation......but I think he has tried to compromise too much.....I don't mind losing, if in the process we are getting building blocks for the future......but if you draft a RB, and you take two years or more to get an OL in front of him, and don't have a QB to play along side of him, why draft a RB? How is that any different than the approach we have had the previous 5 seasons where we had the mentality of "we are only one or two players away"?
We're there really people with the mentality that we were "only one or two players away" the last five years? At a minimum we needed five new oline men 4 of those years.
Yes.
Gettleman.
I agree. Vernon isn't very effective even when healthy. I know we need pass rushers but Vernon doesn't produce nearly what he is getting paid. Draft an ER or look for a cheaper guy in F/A.