QB Orthodoxy

if you don't have an OL.....or a defense that can protect a lead in the fourth...

With Murray's speed and the fact that both Odell and Saquon can throw the ball very well we could revolutionize the game.

Then you come back down to reality and listen to some reasoning from a guy who understands a thing or two. I suggest you look up the recent interview of Plaxico Burress. He makes a lot of sense these days.

Draft Haskins

Makes sense to take advantage of the weapons we already have to go with a pocket QB who can sling it.

Mention.

Could be fun. Nevertheless, I all in on insane D draft this year, mostly Fri t 7 and center field safeties, with Manning holding the fort.

That said, you want a running QB in 2020? Could be fun!

It took me a while to understand that Saquan was not merely great, but
something of another kind (sui generis to you Latin types).

After watching Murray a few times, the same thought hit me. He may just be
the Saquan Barkley of quarterbacks (forgive me). Something of another kind
altogether.

If one of the draft eligible QBs were on another team who would scare you the most?

In my mind, it is not close.
Murray is a nightmare to defend.


We have seen players similar to Haskins and Jones, and you can predict their upside. The same cannot be said about Murray. He has a unique skill set that sets him apart.
Perhaps he has the lowest floor, but his ceiling is the highest.

If the Giants do not draft Murray I would not draft any of the other QBs in the first round.

and just don't think he's an NFL player. CFL sure. If you want to do as the OP states, I'd pick a different "running" QB

This keeps happening;

GM goes for an outstanding prospect at a position I wasn't targeting. Great talent. Cool.

But we continue to loose games. Putting the cart before the horse.

At some point one might want to finish the 2 trench projects, push those over the top and adress the long neglected lb position,.. get a starting FS ..

He will get killed. He will make some spectacular plays. Then he will get hurt. See RG III. Then where are you? Lauletta? No thank you, unless he is a slot receiver.

didn't get killed. Brian Sipe didn't get killed. George Adams was a monster, but he got hurt in practice. You never know what will transpire.

I am intrigued by Murray. I find it really interesting that Sy says he will not be picked in the top 25. He may be right, but we will wait to see. Heck, Murray may decide to pay baseball.

ER
RG
DT/LB
FS

In FA get

RT
LB/DT

and Beal turns out to be the real deal

The Giants should golden

Anymore so I resort to expert and 3rd party analysis along with youtube videos this time of year. I do not watch highlight reels, just the Youtube ones where its all plays the player is in for. Yes, I know it doesn't make it much better, but thats the reason I don't ever preach my opinion as gospel....so I've personally concluded that my opinion on these guys is very irrelevant now a days and trusting the Giants evaluators is the best we are going to get anyway.

That said, I am torn on how I feel about Murray. Something tells me he is not just going to have the stereotypical run first QB type career. I believe he is going to have to be the type of guy who needs to be utilized in a specific system, I doubt you just throw him into a regular pro style offense and he succeeds. His success will depend on the situation he is put in (I know that isn't a very original thought)...what I will go out on a limb and say is that his career won't be defined by an injury or injuries but rather his actual football success. He wil be successful if put in the right situation.

I don't see the Giants taking him. I see them going after a QB who more fits the pocket passer mold. Doesn't mean they won't take a guy who can run, just will be a guy who is clearly an in the pocket pass first guy....doesn't mean its this year they go after a passer either.

Running QB's are effective...they are also Injury Prone. If you Run like an RB, you'll last like an RB. It's a short shelf life with too many interruptions.

Give Me Mobility---extend plays to throw....pick up some easy yardage with an awareness to avoid contact.... take a single good step in the pocket

We had the first T formation offense and started the shotgun. Maybe it's time to take the NFL back to the single wing. Odell could be our drop kicker?

Another old fan with a smile on my face.

Just get a guy who can do 3 things...
1) toss the rock
2) make plays under duress / cool under pressure
3) most importantly, go through reads and make good decisions - and shows improvement in this with more and more game experience.

Whether he can run or not makes little difference, I want him distributing a la Brady, Brees, Montana and Peyton Manning. With OBJ, SB, EE and even a B- level 2nd and 3rd wide outs, that's all you need. I like the FB Penny a bit too, and Ellison.

In comment 14267712 seyhey said:

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He will get killed. He will make some spectacular plays. Then he will get hurt. See RG III. Then where are you? Lauletta? No thank you, unless he is a slot receiver.

This is exactly the issue. Saquon is built like a brick shithouse, he can take the hits. Murrary could be sensational, but I can't believe it will last. Eventually, he will get hit hard and I just think he's too slight to last in the NFL.

In comment 14268818 Gruber said:

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In comment 14267712 seyhey said: Quote: He will get killed. He will make some spectacular plays. Then he will get hurt. See RG III. Then where are you? Lauletta? No thank you, unless he is a slot receiver. This is exactly the issue. Saquon is built like a brick shithouse, he can take the hits. Murrary could be sensational, but I can't believe it will last. Eventually, he will get hit hard and I just think he's too slight to last in the NFL.

I forgot to add: given Gettleman's philosophy regarding hog mollies, I am pretty sure he will be thinking along the same lines regarding Murray.
And someone compared Haskins to Geno Smith. That scares me.