There is a rumor that the yanks might be interested in a trade for Col allstar 3b Nolan Arenado. This I would love. I would give up Andujar, Gray (if they want him) or Clint Frazier and a mid range prospect or 2 for Arenado.
He is a gold glove power hitting 3b. I also have no doubt that we could re sign him next year. I think he is better than Machado and Harper. He is only 27 years old. I also know that Coors field help inflate a lot of guys numbers but I truly believe he is legit power guy.
Imagine.....
CF Hicks
RF Judge
3B Arenado
DH Stanton
C Sanchez
2B Torres
1B Voit/Bird
SS Tulo
LF Gardner
The division would be ours!!!!!
I know this is only a rumor cooked up by a writer but this gets me salivating!!! I like Andujar but he is not Arenado.
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Plus, Montgomery should make his way back at some point this year anyway.
Plus, Montgomery should make his way back at some point this year anyway.
Harvey is 27 too. Wouldn't mind getting rid of Cessa either.
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Yankees, Reds are finalizing the Sonny Gray trade. infield prospect Shed Long and a draft pick are expected to go to NY, and possibly a 3rd lesser piece. Long is an excellent hitter, fair defender. Just need to cross ts, dot is (ie medicals, 40-man considerations, etc.)
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Agreed! That could be a really good prospect right there. Gray didnt have much value currently. Its a good move to get some return back on a move that didnt work out.
The real irony is that despite the fact that the A's got 3 decent prospects from the Yanks (Kap, Fowler and Mateo), the Yanks are going to walk away with the most value from the deal.
Kap may never pitch again- hasn't since about 2015 now; Fowler's inability to walk (which was readily apparent in the Yanks system) has done in his chances in Oakland and Mateo is the same inconsistent guy who rarely sustains any success.
Sure, all 3 COULD take a step forward in 2019, but the trade value Oakland has actually received vs. what it expected is not even close.
The Yanks got a decent half-season from Gray- though by the playoffs that year, he was already struggling. 2018 was a failure.
Somehow, the Yanks are going to walk away with a AA/AAA 2B (essentially replaces Mateo in terms of what was given up), a VERY high draft pick that comes with $2M in slot value, and possibly an A ball or rookie ball prospect.
The pick is the real value of the trade- as it allows the Yanks many options. It can be used to get a fairly high end prospect in the draft, or to select a college SR to allow the Yanks to grab a falling guy with a high signing bonus demand who normally would not be available at their first pick.
It can also be used to "give up" if they sign a player who was given a tender offer by their team. Players like Harper, Pollack, etc.
Lots of value there. Amazing that they got that for Gray- a guy who most would have been happy if the Yanks simply non-tendered him in December.
Draft pick sets them up for a strong draft, to go along with a great 2017-2018 IFA period (last year could be solid too but it's too early to say).
Also they are revamping their hitting instruction, having raided the Astros fatm. Their hitting instruction has lagged behind their pitching instruction at the minor league levels, which is part of why they've had a lot of disappointments and few success stories among the non-elite hitting prospects. Could pay dividends in a 2-4 year timeframe.
Might be a PTBNL
Nah Long is on the 40 man so no net improvement on that.
The Gray trade doesn't clear a roster spot- Long is on the 40 already, so its a straight one for one trade of roster spots. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant.
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By signing Ottavino the Yankees now have a 25 man roster crunch. They want to hang on to Cessa, who's out of options so they have to deal Gray and get him off the roster. The Reds and any decent GM know this
The Gray trade doesn't clear a roster spot- Long is on the 40 already, so its a straight one for one trade of roster spots. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant.
rich, you alright partner? that seems like a real steong reaction to what i would in no way describe as a rant. Youre a real valuable poster, and i really enjoy your contribution to these yankee chats. were all on the same side here.
Reds are trying to extend Sonny Gray now, before deal is finalized. Reds know its hard to get pitchers to come to Great America but believe Gray, with close connection to new pitching coach Derek Johnson from Vanderbilt, will be receptive. @Ken_Rosenthal mentioned possibility.
Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 20, 2019
Reds, Yankees already have agreed on the package going for Gray, believed to include 2B prospect Shed Long and a sandwich pick. But it isnt known how the package might be reconfigured on the chance Gray says no to the extension offer. Reds r likely confident hell say yes tho.
Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 20, 2019
Long could be an everyday player but he has to improve his defense. He profiles as an above average bat for a second baseman but theres talk of him needing to move to the outfield since hes been bad at second. I dont think his bat is good enough for an outfielder to make it as an everyday player.
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By signing Ottavino the Yankees now have a 25 man roster crunch. They want to hang on to Cessa, who's out of options so they have to deal Gray and get him off the roster. The Reds and any decent GM know this
The Gray trade doesn't clear a roster spot- Long is on the 40 already, so its a straight one for one trade of roster spots. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant.
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By signing Ottavino the Yankees now have a 25 man roster crunch. They want to hang on to Cessa, who's out of options so they have to deal Gray and get him off the roster. The Reds and any decent GM know this
The Gray trade doesn't clear a roster spot- Long is on the 40 already, so its a straight one for one trade of roster spots. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem ? I said moving Gray clears a spot on the 25. It does. Long will be on the 40 man roster . Do I need to explain the difference?
There is NO 25 man roster in the off-season. Only a 40 man roster. Do I need to explain further?
I don't think trying to extend him is a bad move. It gives them additional player control and he should be affordable coming off a crappy year where he was removed from the rotation and not even a consideration in the postseason.
Gray should perform much better in Cinci. Some guys just aren't made to play in New York - especially not for the Yanks. He's not a terrible pitcher, this marriage just didn't work.
No resolution on #Reds/#Yankees/Gray expected tonight. Deadline on 72-hour negotiating window for CIN/Gray is late in day tomorrow, per source. Unclear if teams have different trade ready if no extension is agreed upon, or if NYY would turn to alternate plan with another club.
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no wonder why they are losers.
I don't think trying to extend him is a bad move. It gives them additional player control and he should be affordable coming off a crappy year where he was removed from the rotation and not even a consideration in the postseason.
Gray should perform much better in Cinci. Some guys just aren't made to play in New York - especially not for the Yanks. He's not a terrible pitcher, this marriage just didn't work.
I agree. I think that Gray would WANT to reach an extension for at least a year. He needs to re-establish value and the Reds pitching coach is his college pitching coach, who he trusts greatly. In two years, if successful, he could be in line for a BIG payday.
P.S. for rich in DC. To preempt what will probably be your next post, I am not suggesting they should not have signed Ottavino and no, I do not prefer Gray to Ottavino.
As along as this is completed on the road, theres more than a league average chance it gets done.
P.S. for rich in DC. To preempt what will probably be your next post, I am not suggesting they should not have signed Ottavino and no, I do not prefer Gray to Ottavino.
The difference between a great deal for Gray and a mediocre one is pretty slim. All it takes is two or three teams (which there are) looking to trade for him that keeps his value pretty static. There is little value lost because of Cessa being on the 25 man team bubble because Cessa is about #27 or #28 on that roster at best. Chance of Cashman losing sleep over Cessa is negligible. He will likely be traded toward the end of ST when it appears all the starters are healthy to start the season.
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But apparently it went over some heads here so I'll break it down. Prior to the Ottavino deal the Yankees had the option of waiting until after opening day to deal Gray. Cashman even commented that was an option. Once they got Ottavino they lost that option. Why ? Because to make room for Ottavino they would no longer have room for both Cessa and Gray on the 25 man roster assuming everybody remained healthy until opening day. Hence they now need to deal Gray before opening day, hence his value is lessened since other GM's know this.
P.S. for rich in DC. To preempt what will probably be your next post, I am not suggesting they should not have signed Ottavino and no, I do not prefer Gray to Ottavino.
The difference between a great deal for Gray and a mediocre one is pretty slim. All it takes is two or three teams (which there are) looking to trade for him that keeps his value pretty static. There is little value lost because of Cessa being on the 25 man team bubble because Cessa is about #27 or #28 on that roster at best. Chance of Cashman losing sleep over Cessa is negligible. He will likely be traded toward the end of ST when it appears all the starters are healthy to start the season.
Correct, teams regularly trade out-of-option guys who won't make the 25 man roster art the end of spring training. Cessa isn't the only one out of options and facing a make or break situation.
Kahnle is also out of options. That also explains why there are reports teams are asking about him.
Thus, to think that player X "must" be traded before spring training is not even close to true. The roster isn't set until opening day- and sometimes is adjusted for a week or two after.
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But apparently it went over some heads here so I'll break it down. Prior to the Ottavino deal the Yankees had the option of waiting until after opening day to deal Gray. Cashman even commented that was an option. Once they got Ottavino they lost that option. Why ? Because to make room for Ottavino they would no longer have room for both Cessa and Gray on the 25 man roster assuming everybody remained healthy until opening day. Hence they now need to deal Gray before opening day, hence his value is lessened since other GM's know this.
P.S. for rich in DC. To preempt what will probably be your next post, I am not suggesting they should not have signed Ottavino and no, I do not prefer Gray to Ottavino.
The difference between a great deal for Gray and a mediocre one is pretty slim. All it takes is two or three teams (which there are) looking to trade for him that keeps his value pretty static. There is little value lost because of Cessa being on the 25 man team bubble because Cessa is about #27 or #28 on that roster at best. Chance of Cashman losing sleep over Cessa is negligible. He will likely be traded toward the end of ST when it appears all the starters are healthy to start the season.
Correct, teams regularly trade out-of-option guys who won't make the 25 man roster art the end of spring training. Cessa isn't the only one out of options and facing a make or break situation.
Kahnle is also out of options. That also explains why there are reports teams are asking about him.
Thus, to think that player X "must" be traded before spring training is not even close to true. The roster isn't set until opening day- and sometimes is adjusted for a week or two after.
Great. Awesome. You clearly know your shit.
Heres a question. Can you stop being a cunt who acts like theyre getting paid to post their opinions like theyre fact? Its getting pretty fucking old.
Great. Awesome. You clearly know your shit.
Heres a question. Can you stop being a cunt who acts like theyre getting paid to post their opinions like theyre fact? Its getting pretty fucking old.
wow, touchy.
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But apparently it went over some heads here so I'll break it down. Prior to the Ottavino deal the Yankees had the option of waiting until after opening day to deal Gray. Cashman even commented that was an option. Once they got Ottavino they lost that option. Why ? Because to make room for Ottavino they would no longer have room for both Cessa and Gray on the 25 man roster assuming everybody remained healthy until opening day. Hence they now need to deal Gray before opening day, hence his value is lessened since other GM's know this.
P.S. for rich in DC. To preempt what will probably be your next post, I am not suggesting they should not have signed Ottavino and no, I do not prefer Gray to Ottavino.
The difference between a great deal for Gray and a mediocre one is pretty slim. All it takes is two or three teams (which there are) looking to trade for him that keeps his value pretty static. There is little value lost because of Cessa being on the 25 man team bubble because Cessa is about #27 or #28 on that roster at best. Chance of Cashman losing sleep over Cessa is negligible. He will likely be traded toward the end of ST when it appears all the starters are healthy to start the season.
Correct, teams regularly trade out-of-option guys who won't make the 25 man roster art the end of spring training. Cessa isn't the only one out of options and facing a make or break situation.
Kahnle is also out of options. That also explains why there are reports teams are asking about him.
Thus, to think that player X "must" be traded before spring training is not even close to true. The roster isn't set until opening day- and sometimes is adjusted for a week or two after.
Great. Awesome. You clearly know your shit.
Heres a question. Can you stop being a cunt who acts like theyre getting paid to post their opinions like theyre fact? Its getting pretty fucking old.
whatever.
Clearly its done wonders for you.
Clearly its done wonders for you.
We don't need yours either. Yeah, rich can be a bit self important at times, but you calling him names comes off worse.
Clearly its done wonders for you.
Dude, I dont know the backstory to this exchange, but youve got to lighten up man. Youre ruining an otherwise quality thread
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Ok. Good to know youll keep up the self important, know it all cunty tone.
Clearly its done wonders for you.
We don't need yours either. Yeah, rich can be a bit self important at times, but you calling him names comes off worse.
Im calling them like I see them.
Do some research. Im not the one who has acted like a condescending asshole Yankee thread after Yankee thread. Just look at this one.
Truth hurts.
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Ok. Good to know youll keep up the self important, know it all cunty tone.
Clearly its done wonders for you.
We don't need yours either. Yeah, rich can be a bit self important at times, but you calling him names comes off worse.
Im calling them like I see them.
Do some research. Im not the one who has acted like a condescending asshole Yankee thread after Yankee thread. Just look at this one.
Truth hurts.
I gotta say he is right here. Rich seems to have the need to write an essay about the Yankees in which he chooses to attack other posters and speak as if his take is gospel. He recently said he wouldnt lower himself to that level while talking about what another guys opinon was. Rich writes good points about the Yankees but tries to be verbose and arrogant.
We are all just talking about what we think the Yankees should do here and there, none of us are the GM or the owner so we dont know anything for certain. Even if you know someone thats with the Yankees and get some info, plans can change very quickly in any business. Its ok for people to have a different opinion then the next guy. Its the point of a message board.
I played baseball and football at a D1 school and have learned a lot about playing both sports, but when it comes to what the Giants and Yankees should do to improve rosters I am not nearly as informed as a lot of the posters on here. And that is why I have loved this site for maybe 16/17 years. Shitting on someone else on a message board because they dont hold the exact same thoughts as you is pathetic. Rich is not a victim here he is an instigator. When he is just talking about the Yankees and not trying to belittle someone else he definitely makes great points, however, when he chooses to insult someone else he shouldnt be defended.
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Ok. Good to know youll keep up the self important, know it all cunty tone.
Clearly its done wonders for you.
We don't need yours either. Yeah, rich can be a bit self important at times, but you calling him names comes off worse.
Im calling them like I see them.
Do some research. Im not the one who has acted like a condescending asshole Yankee thread after Yankee thread. Just look at this one.
Truth hurts.
I gotta say he is right here. Rich seems to have the need to write an essay about the Yankees in which he chooses to attack other posters and speak as if his take is gospel. He recently said he wouldnt lower himself to that level while talking about what another guys opinon was. Rich writes good points about the Yankees but tries to be verbose and arrogant.
We are all just talking about what we think the Yankees should do here and there, none of us are the GM or the owner so we dont know anything for certain. Even if you know someone thats with the Yankees and get some info, plans can change very quickly in any business. Its ok for people to have a different opinion then the next guy. Its the point of a message board.
I played baseball and football at a D1 school and have learned a lot about playing both sports, but when it comes to what the Giants and Yankees should do to improve rosters I am not nearly as informed as a lot of the posters on here. And that is why I have loved this site for maybe 16/17 years. Shitting on someone else on a message board because they dont hold the exact same thoughts as you is pathetic. Rich is not a victim here he is an instigator. When he is just talking about the Yankees and not trying to belittle someone else he definitely makes great points, however, when he chooses to insult someone else he shouldnt be defended.
Do we really need to call people cunts or bitches? Yes rich has a holier than thou attitude and it is fine to call him on that as he is quite condescending at times. But can we leave the foul name calling language out of the conversation? I'm a sailor, so I am used to language that would make your head turn, but it is unnecessary especially on a sports board. Would you call him those names to his face?
As for the research part, I'm on almost every Yankee thread and have been for years, so I pretty much know each Yankee poster's style and who knows their stuff and who is full of bull.
Did you call him a cunt or a bitch? No, I remember that thread. Call him out fine, no problem.
I am not defending rich. It is the name calling. My point is, would you call him a cunt or a bitch to his face? I doubt you would. You don't earn the moral high ground when resorting to vile name calling.
Maybe I have wrongly assumed the moral high ground here. But I really don't need to read the vile name calling and believe me, there are times I'd love to have laced into a few posters where I ended up deleting my post. Like I said, I'm a sailor. There is not a name or word I have not seen or used.
I'll butt out and wait for the next Yanks thread.
I have no doubt that he will pitch well away from New York, we cant just accept a bag of balls just because he couldnt handle the pressure here. Teams interested in him are banking on him returning to form.
On a separate note, I keep thinking of Randy Levine when reading you know whos posts. I mean, I dont think even Hal Steinbrenner would tell Yankees fans how they should feel about the teams finances.
You are right, I did not resort to name calling, although I may have wanted to. And there is no place for the tough guy internet crap. But the same goes for Rich. If he spoke to people like this in real life there is a good chance he gets popped in the face.
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A few posters want to come on and voice there opinion. Those thoughts seem to go against what Rich feels, or might be off a bit information-wise...Rich belittles them and they get offended and react, and we defend Rich? His act is the same EVERY Yankee thread, and while I appreciate the knowledge and Yankee insight, the attitude and such is what is derailing the threads, not the responses. I was the poster that Rich wouldnt lower himself to continue to speak with, because I thought the Yankees should spend money because they have the resources and opportunities. I got attacked saying I was an entitled fan, didnt know what I was talking about and not worthy of discourse. But lets defend is actions when he gets called out. I know hes been here a long time, and he does add value MOST of the time, but he needs to be called out, and it his his condescending tone and responses thats are takingbthreads down...
Did you call him a cunt or a bitch? No, I remember that thread. Call him out fine, no problem.
I am not defending rich. It is the name calling. My point is, would you call him a cunt or a bitch to his face? I doubt you would. You don't earn the moral high ground when resorting to vile name calling.
Maybe I have wrongly assumed the moral high ground here. But I really don't need to read the vile name calling and believe me, there are times I'd love to have laced into a few posters where I ended up deleting my post. Like I said, I'm a sailor. There is not a name or word I have not seen or used.
I'll butt out and wait for the next Yanks thread.
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Ok. Good to know youll keep up the self important, know it all cunty tone.
Clearly its done wonders for you.
We don't need yours either. Yeah, rich can be a bit self important at times, but you calling him names comes off worse.
Im calling them like I see them.
Do some research. Im not the one who has acted like a condescending asshole Yankee thread after Yankee thread. Just look at this one.
Truth hurts.
I gotta say he is right here. Rich seems to have the need to write an essay about the Yankees in which he chooses to attack other posters and speak as if his take is gospel. He recently said he wouldnt lower himself to that level while talking about what another guys opinon was. Rich writes good points about the Yankees but tries to be verbose and arrogant.
We are all just talking about what we think the Yankees should do here and there, none of us are the GM or the owner so we dont know anything for certain. Even if you know someone thats with the Yankees and get some info, plans can change very quickly in any business. Its ok for people to have a different opinion then the next guy. Its the point of a message board.
I played baseball and football at a D1 school and have learned a lot about playing both sports, but when it comes to what the Giants and Yankees should do to improve rosters I am not nearly as informed as a lot of the posters on here. And that is why I have loved this site for maybe 16/17 years. Shitting on someone else on a message board because they dont hold the exact same thoughts as you is pathetic. Rich is not a victim here he is an instigator. When he is just talking about the Yankees and not trying to belittle someone else he definitely makes great points, however, when he chooses to insult someone else he shouldnt be defended.
Do we really need to call people cunts or bitches? Yes rich has a holier than thou attitude and it is fine to call him on that as he is quite condescending at times. But can we leave the foul name calling language out of the conversation? I'm a sailor, so I am used to language that would make your head turn, but it is unnecessary especially on a sports board. Would you call him those names to his face?
As for the research part, I'm on almost every Yankee thread and have been for years, so I pretty much know each Yankee poster's style and who knows their stuff and who is full of bull.
Section I totally agree with you. The name calling is totally unnecessary. However, Rich needs to stop his routine as well and doesnt deserve to be defended. I always advocate for people to stop attacking each other on a message board. Its totally unnecessary in any situation. Rich may not have called him a cunt, but I have seen him continuously do things just as bad with his smarter than the world routine. Either way you are correct its not needed, but I maintain what Rich did to the guy is just as bad.