I have complete faith in our GM

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But was it because he had the second pick? We will see this year.... How you can say he had a good free agency is beyond me.....name one free agent that was a head turner? A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space...but did the guys he brought in make us forget the guys he let go? In some cases yes, some no....the only guy he brought to this defense that made some plays, was Ogletree......not a bad deal for a cap hit of 4.75M for 2018, but not a good deal for 2019 at 11.75M..... And who were the free agent head turners on Offense? While Brown fell into his lap, he is not the answer at RG....he is just better than what we had.....a very low bar to jump....

A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space.

Interesting statement. Look I cant hold Solder and Omameh against DG too much. Our oline was terrible. We knew we were not bringing back Pugh and Richburg. We lost out on Norwell so we signed the next best guy Solder. Did we overpay..YES..but he brings more that just play to the oline he brought Vet leadership, a winning mentality, and he wanted to be here. Would you rather our line still depent on Flowers????
Omameh was a risk but he played decent for the Jags. it did not work out. The rest was based on limited cap space. We went with Guys that knew our new DC's scheme.

So I guess we differ. And I believe that Brown is worth a 2 year deal. We still have limited cap room. Its not like we have 100 mil and DG has tons to choose from.

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Every GM is going to whiff, the speed on how he cuts bait is amazing. It's definitely going to be an interesting year. He now knows what he's got with the players on the roster. He understands what types of players the coaching staff is looking for. I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement. I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D.

This is Really a head scratching comment... The Giants were actually at one time pretty good under Jerry Reese all things considered.. DG has had one year were the Giants won 5 games and the FA was questionable at best the draft outside of Barkley is a wait and see.
Nothing so far makes me more confident in DG then in Reese tenure here when the Giants for a period of time were actually good

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Looking forward to the all defense draft in 2019, free agent OLs ..and then the QB in 2020.

Like that plan. OL should be established and have a body of field work in the NFL to show, before we draft them and have to develop them ourselves. We have been burned too many times doing this before. The better measurable athletes are on defense and easier to identify. This was not the case with Hernandez but sure was with Flowers. ELI will be our QB next year and think DG wants to win now not in 2/3 years.

It feels like the Giants don’t have a comprehensive strategy. They have won 8 games over the past two seasons and have a 38 year old QB, a 68 year old GM and a 53 year old coach. This smacks of a win now plan.

However, the personnel make-up is definitely not ready to win now.

Do the Giants try to squeeze another year from Eli, eat the $23m limiting their cap, do they hope their Eli can avoid the rush enough to get the team to 9 or 10 wins and a possible playoff series? Or do they say, screw it, cut Eli, use the $23m to find additional talent and have a young QB learn as they go.

I know the Giants have no obligation to tell the fans what their strategy is so I am just rooting that DG has the long term success of the franchise in mind.

I agree it is tough to understand if DG actually has one. Being lost at the QB position doesn't help his cause

DG may indeed have a strategy but until they determine what college arm they are going to pin their hopes on in this draft or next, it won't be on display.

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In comment 14268423 Doomster said: Quote: But was it because he had the second pick? We will see this year.... How you can say he had a good free agency is beyond me.....name one free agent that was a head turner? A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space...but did the guys he brought in make us forget the guys he let go? In some cases yes, some no....the only guy he brought to this defense that made some plays, was Ogletree......not a bad deal for a cap hit of 4.75M for 2018, but not a good deal for 2019 at 11.75M..... And who were the free agent head turners on Offense? While Brown fell into his lap, he is not the answer at RG....he is just better than what we had.....a very low bar to jump.... A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space. Interesting statement. Look I cant hold Solder and Omameh against DG too much. Our oline was terrible. We knew we were not bringing back Pugh and Richburg. We lost out on Norwell so we signed the next best guy Solder. Did we overpay..YES..but he brings more that just play to the oline he brought Vet leadership, a winning mentality, and he wanted to be here. Would you rather our line still depent on Flowers???? Omameh was a risk but he played decent for the Jags. it did not work out. The rest was based on limited cap space. We went with Guys that knew our new DC's scheme. So I guess we differ. And I believe that Brown is worth a 2 year deal. We still have limited cap room. Its not like we have 100 mil and DG has tons to choose from.

1-- Regarding Soldier and Omameh I preferred Hubbard and Fulton.

2-- WHen do you expect the Gmen to be a title contender?

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In comment 14268334 dd in Mass said: Quote: Every GM is going to whiff, the speed on how he cuts bait is amazing. It's definitely going to be an interesting year. He now knows what he's got with the players on the roster. He understands what types of players the coaching staff is looking for. I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement. I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D. This is Really a head scratching comment... The Giants were actually at one time pretty good under Jerry Reese all things considered.. DG has had one year were the Giants won 5 games and the FA was questionable at best the draft outside of Barkley is a wait and see. Nothing so far makes me more confident in DG then in Reese tenure here when the Giants for a period of time were actually good

Yours might be more head scratching.

Jerry Reese is the reason we are where we are right now. This is what happens when your GM whiffs on entire drafts.

Gettleman is still "incomplete" as far as I'm concerned. He did some things I liked, he also did some things that made me unsure if he was the man for this job.

I need to see continual improvement from here, though.

If NYG finish under .500 again next year, I'll be more skeptical of the GM and coach. This always needed more than one year, though. It really cannot be understated how badly Reese fucked this team up by having zero-yield drafts.

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Complete faith or complete disgust are such radical statements that they should be dismissed completely.

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by now that the answer is almost always in the middle ground: Quote: Complete faith in our GM Jimmy Googs : 11:37 am : link : reply is nonsensical and too extreme. Complete faith or complete disgust are such radical statements that they should be dismissed completely.

Valid point so I amend it to I have high faith in our GM

....he's got a track record and he's been on the job for exactly one year. He's not a miracle worker.

Furthermore, what's gone around here the sine 2012 is not really his concern......sucks that we haven't been winning for awhile but he's got to go about it the way he thinks is best.

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Seems like just yesterday we were all parroting "In Reese We Trust"

Not Me, Reese, and especially Ross should have been fired in 2013

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In comment 14268440 GoBlue6599 said: Quote: In comment 14268334 dd in Mass said: Quote: I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement. I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D. Yours might be more head scratching. Jerry Reese is the reason we are where we are right now. This is what happens when your GM whiffs on entire drafts. Gettleman is still "incomplete" as far as I'm concerned. He did some things I liked, he also did some things that made me unsure if he was the man for this job. I need to see continual improvement from here, though. If NYG finish under .500 again next year, I'll be more skeptical of the GM and coach. This always needed more than one year, though. It really cannot be understated how badly Reese fucked this team up by having zero-yield drafts.

No I agree late in Jerry’s tenure the Giants were a train wreck.
All I’m saying there was a time when the Giants were actually good under Reese that was the last time this organization had any sustained success. Nothing so far DG has done gives me any more confidence than that time. The Giants won 5 games after we were all but told they can “make a run” no one seems to care that this guy traded away JPP Apple and Snacks for what look like meager returns
He also brought in some awful FA to play on our defense. Curtis Riley Conner Barwin Kareem Martin are you kidding me?

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In comment 14268490 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: by now that the answer is almost always in the middle ground: Quote: Complete faith in our GM Jimmy Googs : 11:37 am : link : reply is nonsensical and too extreme. Complete faith or complete disgust are such radical statements that they should be dismissed completely. Valid point so I amend it to I have high faith in our GM

Fair enough... :-)

How he fixes and handles the QB situation in the future is what will determine his run here. I'm encouraged on that front based on his comments a few weeks ago re: QB.

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I have no doubt that at one point DG was a satisfactory to good GM, but he is battling cancer and getting up there in years. Like lax counsel pointed out, he has never made a big QB selection before. Never. And if we are to take his public statements at face value, he badly misevaluated Eli last off season. In his recent organizational career over the last two decades, the only QB transitions he would have been involved with were both spearheaded by Ernie Accorsi (Collins, Manning). I don’t think he’s a fool and we know he’s very experienced, but he is competing against the best football evaluators. I am not convinced we have an edge.

I'm in the same boat as cosmic, with some additional concern from the fact that he inherited a scouting department that has remained almost entirely unchanged (from a personnel perspective at least). I feel that the team's weakness has been scouting for some time, dating back to the middle of Reese's tenure, and that hasn't changed since.

Further, the pro personnel department failed miserably last year. A lot of money was spent, and very little was gained in return. One player got a good sum of money and was cut before the year was over. I see several lauding that as a positive that Gettleman doesn't hold on to his own mistakes - but seem to overlook the magnitude of the mistake in the first place. That, along with $3M wasted on a Jonathan Stewart who was so clearly cooked before he got here makes you question the ability of those running pro personnel.

I hope I'm wrong, but I see a lot more reasons to be pessimistic than optimistic. Not all that Gettleman has done is bad of course - Barkley had a fantastic year, and Hernandez looks like a keeper. BJ Hill had a good season. Lauletta seems to be yet another wasted mid round QB pick.

Hopefully Gettleman has a stronger second year.

or was it A. implied he’d get the job with Eli as a starter or B. assumed his “upgrades” on the OLine would provide enough for Eli to get the job done despite his decline.

I don’t know the answer, gun to head it’s a little of both. But to suggest he didn’t know how much Eli declined is, IMO, ridiculous.

....yeah, lets not go there.

We seem to have done well with the draft. We have upside with our last 2 drafts really, though cutting QB Webb was a 3rd round blow.

DG will be the first to admit that he made some mistakes with UFA but he had little choice in who he could sign. We made a mistake not cutting Flowers at the end of training camp.

My whole thing is continue with your "best player available" philosophy. I would hate if DG "fell in love with the potential" of either Haskins or Murray and trade up. Potential is great but please don't reach if you aren't 100% sure your man has the good. He took Saquon last year over Donaldson, Rosen for a reason: he was the highest rated player on his draft board and it wasn't even close. Saquon has 7 or more years left in him if he stays healthy.

My gut tells me a team or two will move up ahead of the Giants to take Haskins and / or Murray. DG won't over-pay so we'll have a defensive player for #6 who is HIGH on our draft board. Round 2, I hope a top OL is there.

I have more faith in DG than Shurmur right now. As a fan, I am torn on Eli the most. If Lauletta or Webb had shown any promise, he'd be easier to part with for this year and you build on the future in 2019.

I'd hate to see us "bandaid" this team with hopes we have just enough & get lucky enough to get a winning season and a playoff game. We should make sure we have cap space in 2020 rather than mortgage our future.

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is nonsensical and too extreme. He hasn't earned that level of deference at all with some of the poor moves from last season, several of which were whoppers. I do, however, look forward to him moving up the learning curve on restructuring this franchise in 2019 after seeing it operate last year...

+1 His FA moves were questionable at best, who did he bring in that was better than what they had.....not much!

In 4 seasons under Gentlemen the Panther's record was 40-23-1, and won 3 consecutive NFC South Championships and made it to one Super Bowl. The Giants' last draft under him was excellent. Exactly which of those QBs that followed Mayfield in the draft are going to make our team forget Eli? No young QB would have survived starting for us last season. Gentlemen changed the heads of our scouting staff and, most important of all, changed the way we draft and appraise picks. He made lots of changes and some did not work out, but can anyone say he should have stuck with the previous personnel? This team is a work in progress, because Gentlemen still needs to add better players and also, build team depth. Most important of all, he has to get us a QB to follow Eli, and one that can succeed in Shurmur's system. Getting that QB will not be an easy task. So, YES, I trust Gentlemen, knowing that he has a difficult course ahead.

I also don't think he's too long for the job, given his age. He was also hand picked by Accorsi. I think those factors led to:

1. Keeping Eli
2. Drafting a running back #2
3. Paying Beckham instead of trading him

People keep saying he had a great draft, but I don't agree. The decision to draft Barkley over Darnold, Chubb, or Nelson is highly questionable given that in 2018 we were weak at QB, pass rush, and OL. Remember his opening statement: "We have to fix the offensive line." If that were the case then why pass on one of the best guard prospects in many years in Nelson?

And how about the fact he helped hire Shurmur? How did that decision look in year 1? Maybe he's "an adult", but if he were would he have mocked his backup quarterback to take a shot at the media? Wouldn't an adult manage the clock and his timeouts?

Part of the GM's job is to best situate the team for the next few years. I don't feel as though he did that in year one. I think we're on the brink of more uncertainty and changes in direction.

Thankfully Gettleman gets more shots. He did plenty of good to clean up the roster and the cap.

Whether he went into the season thinking the team was close to competing, I assume he came out of it after purging 3/5 the roster, cutting and trading at least 4 starters, and losing 11 games, knowing this team isn't very close.

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or was it A. implied he’d get the job with Eli as a starter or B. assumed his “upgrades” on the OLine would provide enough for Eli to get the job done despite his decline. I don’t know the answer, gun to head it’s a little of both. But to suggest he didn’t know how much Eli declined is, IMO, ridiculous.

I don't think it's unfair to suggest he miscalculated the level of decline. I think Gettleman came in figuring he needed to bolster the OL, and that with some incremental improvements he would get a significant improvement in Eli's game as well.

I believe that the OL and Eli are tied together bidirectionally. People figure Eli's poor performances are due to the OL's performance, which is true. I think they neglect to consider how much more difficult it is for the OL to block for Eli given the current state of his agility and decision making. He needs more blocking than he did in the past, and with OL play going right into the toilet, that's a luxury most teams don't have. I think Gettleman went in figuring Solder and Omameh (plus shifting Flowers to RT) would result in enough of a bump in OL play to bring Eli closer to his pre-2012 form, and that very clearly wasn't the case.

I genuinely hope Gettleman would never make a bad financial or fit decision because of the "who else?" was available argument.

The objective isn't to field the best team possible in the immediate term at all costs. The objective is to build a strong core of talent and create a window where the team can compete for a championship.

Accepting reality and improving upon it is the first step of good management.

I think Gettleman gets it. I do think however he was wrong in his assessment of reality last Spring.

are going to grade out as about average. If management hires one above average, that's great.

During the first half of Reese's stay with the Giants it was on this board "In Reese We Trust." During the second half that turned into "Reese, You Suck."

But in 2016 Reese managed something in free agency that received the praise of about everyone in the NFL world. He signed Harrison, Jenkins and DRC. That year the Giants' defense was third best in giving up points, and, almost incredibly, all three made either first team or second team AP All Pro, to which I give more respect than the Pro Bowl.

Somehow the new management traded two of them, and I use the word "trade" loosely since the Giants really didn't receive anything in return. The defense in one year went back to being lousy. I never understood Gettleman's logic in ridding the defense of above average players when he had no one even as good to replace them.

This applies to JPP also. Not because he was a dominant player, but he was a productive above average player who elevated Vernon's game when both were in the lineup. and we had no one even as good to replace any of them.

Say what you will about the others, but the Harrison trade was I think the stupidest trade the Giants have made since they shipped the overall 2nd pick in the 1975 draft to the Cowboys for Dallas backup quarterback Craig Morton. Morton went on to suck with the Giants while Randy White terrorized the Giants and the rest of the league for the next decade.

So after he unloaded Snacks the Lions' run defense got better and the Giants' run defense got worse. What a surprise. But at least in exchange for Harrison the Giants got a fifth round draft pick. Fifth round. There would have been better value for Harrison if the Lions had given the Giants two lottery tickets for the Powerball Million.

And don't give me that bit about "cancer in the locker room." He wasn't that.

If Gettleman has as good a draft this year as he had last year then I'll ease up on him.

... none.

everyone is fallible, but, really liked the draft. Liked some of the FA moves and his willingness to fix things on the move.

IMO, he's got two real tests this year. First, I really think his 2nd and 3rd day picks will have a lot to do with his legacy here.

And, of course his plan for the post Eli Giants.

In comment 14268758 Reese's Pieces said:

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are going to grade out as about average. If management hires one above average, that's great. During the first half of Reese's stay with the Giants it was on this board "In Reese We Trust." During the second half that turned into "Reese, You Suck." But in 2016 Reese managed something in free agency that received the praise of about everyone in the NFL world. He signed Harrison, Jenkins and DRC. That year the Giants' defense was third best in giving up points, and, almost incredibly, all three made either first team or second team AP All Pro, to which I give more respect than the Pro Bowl. Somehow the new management traded two of them, and I use the word "trade" loosely since the Giants really didn't receive anything in return. The defense in one year went back to being lousy. I never understood Gettleman's logic in ridding the defense of above average players when he had no one even as good to replace them. This applies to JPP also. Not because he was a dominant player, but he was a productive above average player who elevated Vernon's game when both were in the lineup. and we had no one even as good to replace any of them. Say what you will about the others, but the Harrison trade was I think the stupidest trade the Giants have made since they shipped the overall 2nd pick in the 1975 draft to the Cowboys for Dallas backup quarterback Craig Morton. Morton went on to suck with the Giants while Randy White terrorized the Giants and the rest of the league for the next decade. So after he unloaded Snacks the Lions' run defense got better and the Giants' run defense got worse. What a surprise. But at least in exchange for Harrison the Giants got a fifth round draft pick. Fifth round. There would have been better value for Harrison if the Lions had given the Giants two lottery tickets for the Powerball Million. And don't give me that bit about "cancer in the locker room." He wasn't that. If Gettleman has as good a draft this year as he had last year then I'll ease up on him.

You may not like the Harrison trade, but it was the correct decision. And every report suggests he was a bad locker room guy so what exactly are you talking about?

Maybe the return was light but it was clear he was going to be cut this offseason, so they got something for him during a lost season. As for the Lions, they improved a bit with their rushing D, but nothing to write home about. They still sucked and went 3-7 after trading for him, 3-3 before acquiring him. So yeah, no ide what you are complaining about.

Seems impactful to me. Still could have been the right move by DG butwe shall see...


https://www.cover1.net/damon-harrison-rejuvenating-the-detroit-lions-run-defense/

but they then sucked. Not saying he’s the reason why but it’s clear the trade didn’t impact the W/L record for the Lions. Meanwhile, we were 1-6 when we traded him away, then got much better once DG made the changes he did mid season. Collectively some of bad Apples (pun intended) were removed the lineup or roster completely and we got better.

I really liked Snacks. But it just wasn’t working anymore. We got back a pick and moved on from a player that was going to get cut.

For DG to find a gem in FA, like OHara, McKenzie or Norwell. Obviously a complete whiff.

Still DG > douchy micrtransgression Reese wearing sweatpants and a stained tshirt to a HoF coach's ass canning press conference.

We as Giants fans have noe become very fashion conscious.

to #10 in the league by year end.

Again, not saying he wasn't a pain in the ass or that i don't want the pick. But he clearly made an impact on their rush defense...

He didn't blow the #2 and #34 picks in the entire draft. Bravo, I guess.

His FA signing were not good. The jury is out on the trades depending on what he gets instead.

He's made the moves, like cleaning out the roster, that any new GM would have made.

Then again, compared to Reese, a hamster as GM would have been an improvement.

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to #10 in the league by year end. Again, not saying he wasn't a pain in the ass or that i don't want the pick. But he clearly made an impact on their rush defense...

What do you mean “not really”? He helped improve the rush defense. Just like ours got worse when he left. I’ve stated that. But we got better and they got worse, isn’t that the more important part of this and why moves are made? This is a thread about our GM and he made a move that not only got us back a pick, but we improved as a AFTER losing the player/s.

Goes to show you that team cohesion and locker room stuff matters more than many think it does, which is the reason why I replied to the post that said it didn’t matter. It does.

Hell, even "better" is subjective...

No worries though, I understand your view.

which I’ve said as much. I said he was no longer working out here and getting rid of him and Apple and finally becnhing Flowers got rid of a lot of the problematic players.

somewhere that's been posted from a reliable source that spells out that Harrison was traded for off the field behavior (locker room, non-football related stuff)?

I don't doubt it - but so far, I've only seen throwaway quotes that required a lot of reading between the lines and in the form of tweets. They seem to imply it wasn't his play or his salary that got him traded, but nobody has come right out (that I've seen) and said that he was either a bad apple or not cooperating somehow.

Apple I get - very little in return for a guy that needed a change of scenery, but he needed to go and his production to that point wasn't going to yield much.

In addition to the misses in FA - I think overlooked in the part about the roster turnover is that players that went elsewhere tended to produce a lot better than the players that were brought in, which included paying both a pick and a big salary for Ogletree.

and then this offseason there’s already been several people who’ve stated he putwore his welcome. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that playing 2 downs, being old, being expensive, as well as the supposed locker room problems were all factors on why he was dealt. It also makes room for new players to get experience headin into 2019, a team he was never going to be on anyway.

in this town. Win or be gone. These guys are no fools. Long term rebuilding will not work here. Already after only one season of losing, with a huge turnover top to bottom, they are on trial. Even after a good draft. Just the way it is here. How we handle the ELI situation will tell a lot. The safe bet is to stay with ELI rather than try a new QB and wait two years for him to develop. MO

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and then this offseason there’s already been several people who’ve stated he putwore his welcome. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that playing 2 downs, being old, being expensive, as well as the supposed locker room problems were all factors on why he was dealt. It also makes room for new players to get experience headin into 2019, a team he was never going to be on anyway.

If you want to make that case - fine and dandy. Then there's no need to throw in the 'and the guy's a bad locker room presence'.

If that accusation is going to be made - I think it should be qualified somehow. As I said, I've only seen it in tweets here or there, and not laid out clearly (one was trying to read between the lines from a press conference after the trade).

As for his age and his cost and 2 down role - another team (with a better defense) made the investment and it paid off for them. This team has plenty of tough decisions to make, and it starts with two of the highest paid players on the roster (Eli and Vernon). Let's hope they approach the return on investment in a similar manner with those two.

Are we going off their team rushing ranking or the fact that they went 3-7 with him? They traded for him hoping to go to the playoffs when they were 3-3 and it wasn’t good enough. They may even cut him.

As for the locker room stuff, I have no access to sources, just reading between the lines. Just because there isn’t a formal announcement doesn’t mean nothing happened. It’s not something to get hung up on anyway, the other reasons I listed are plenty.

Consider this recent Parcells quote on the recent coaching hires around the league:

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When Bill Parcells talks about coaching, I make it a point to listen. What he said about the NFL’s latest head-coaching hiring cycle, in an interview with SiriusXM NFL Radio, should be must listening for many owners. “I think you can tell what the intent is on the part of the owners; they’re trying to duplicate a couple of things they’ve seen, and you just can’t go get a guy that’s an offensive coach. You have to have a team leader that stands up in front of the team and can command respect -- both sides of the ball and understands how a team should play the game with the particular athletes they have to give that team, that year, in this game, the best chance to win. That’s never going to change. ... They come in all shapes and sizes, but I don’t think you can just say, ‘We’re going to get an offensive guy and that’s going to be the key to our success.’ It just never works out like that."

Does Shurmur feel as though he meets the standard laid down by Parcells?
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In comment 14268261 Ira said: Quote: left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there? If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things.

Interesting comment. I could say if your buisness was to chauffeur rich people who expect high end transportation, and you were paid in advance to provide this service, you might be forced to buy this last car in the lot. Just like some of the season ticket holders for the Giants would expect.

and am not a huge fan of his yet. That being said, I think it’s pretty hard to argue that he didn’t do a good job this year. His free agency moves weren’t good, which is surprising as he came from the pro scouting when he was with us. However his draft and in season moves were pretty damn good. My concern with him is it appears from his pressers that he is very hesitant to draft a QB. I am not arguing that he should draft Haskins or should have drafted Darnold/Rosen. I am saying he seems to quickly make the same excuse about drafting a QB whenever asked. He essentially says “if you miss on a guy you will set your franchise back four years” which is true, but not having a QB playing at able to play at a high level (not talking about Eli) for the next four years is just as bad. Maybe not last year, maybe not this year, but eventually like it or not he has to take that risk. Missing is definitely the death of a GM, but signing a barely mediocre QB (Bridgewater type) sets the franchise back even further. Odds are there is a clock on Odell and Saquon (our best players) that is already starting, that makes the need for a QB of the future very important. We also won’t always have top 10 draft picks (hopefully) to make the move. Eli cost us a lot and while it was a player trade it was the same as moving up very few spots. It worked out great than and those draft picks shined and fizzled fast for the Chargers. I hope I am wrong and Gettleman is willing to roll the dice in the near future to find the next franchise QB.

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Are we going off their team rushing ranking or the fact that they went 3-7 with him? They traded for him hoping to go to the playoffs when they were 3-3 and it wasn’t good enough. They may even cut him. As for the locker room stuff, I have no access to sources, just reading between the lines. Just because there isn’t a formal announcement doesn’t mean nothing happened. It’s not something to get hung up on anyway, the other reasons I listed are plenty.

Their defense improved - that was the point of trading for him.

As for shitting on the guy on his way out with no proof - it's pointless. It's only necessary if you feel the case for trading him on the basis of his play or salary isn't strong enough. I've seen this thrown around a bit, and like I said - never without having to read between a lot of lines and do a lot of assuming.

In comment 14269028 SJGiant said:

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In comment 14268302 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 14268261 Ira said: Quote: left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there? If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things. Interesting comment. I could say if your buisness was to chauffeur rich people who expect high end transportation, and you were paid in advance to provide this service, you might be forced to buy this last car in the lot. Just like some of the season ticket holders for the Giants would expect.

If the Giants are basing personnel decisions on the expectations of seasonal ticket holders, the future of the team is in grave danger.

I’m not cursing him, saying I hated him, or anything of the sort. He was a really good Giant for 2 years and then he declined. Sorry if the assumptions on his attitude are a problem for you.

In comment 14269028 SJGiant said:

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In comment 14268302 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 14268261 Ira said: Quote: left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there? If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things. Interesting comment. I could say if your buisness was to chauffeur rich people who expect high end transportation, and you were paid in advance to provide this service, you might be forced to buy this last car in the lot. Just like some of the season ticket holders for the Giants would expect.

If your business was to chauffer rich people around, and you don't already have a car before taking advance payment, you have failed many steps before this point. Strange analogy.

and needed a new one right away and it was the only one available?

This whole thing is weird.

I'd take the bus....

In comment 14269030 mattyblue said:

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and am not a huge fan of his yet. That being said, I think it’s pretty hard to argue that he didn’t do a good job this year. His free agency moves weren’t good, which is surprising as he came from the pro scouting when he was with us. However his draft and in season moves were pretty damn good. My concern with him is it appears from his pressers that he is very hesitant to draft a QB. I am not arguing that he should draft Haskins or should have drafted Darnold/Rosen. I am saying he seems to quickly make the same excuse about drafting a QB whenever asked. He essentially says “if you miss on a guy you will set your franchise back four years” which is true, but not having a QB playing at able to play at a high level (not talking about Eli) for the next four years is just as bad. Maybe not last year, maybe not this year, but eventually like it or not he has to take that risk. Missing is definitely the death of a GM, but signing a barely mediocre QB (Bridgewater type) sets the franchise back even further. Odds are there is a clock on Odell and Saquon (our best players) that is already starting, that makes the need for a QB of the future very important. We also won’t always have top 10 draft picks (hopefully) to make the move. Eli cost us a lot and while it was a player trade it was the same as moving up very few spots. It worked out great than and those draft picks shined and fizzled fast for the Chargers. I hope I am wrong and Gettleman is willing to roll the dice in the near future to find the next franchise QB.

I think there is a ring of truth to this. I think DG is reluctant to draft a an high out of complete fear of missing. It’s possible he’s perfectly content with mediocrity at the position post Eli, and I’ve said before it wouldn’t surprise me if a Foles or Bridgewater is the next Giants qb post Eli. We’ll see, and I highly doubt he selects a qb in this draft.