I liked what he did in his first year. I think our 2018 draft was awesome. We got 3 starters and a very solid rotation guy. He wanted to solidify the lines and we are well on our way to do that. Hill is awsome I love that he used a third in the supplemental draft on Beal. He did not help us but I feel that he has the talent have been a 2nd round cb in the 2019 draft and we got him for a 3rd.
I like the way DG made trades and got us a lot of late round picks in this draft that we can use to move up should we want to.
I like most of the FA moves he made. While we missed out on our top choice for the oline. And he did take a swing and missed on Pat Omameh but he realized his mistake and cut him. I also think better of Solder than most of you. He is not pro bowl LT and we did overpay but he provides a veteran leader on a line that had none. I do think his play got better as the year went on. He also claimed OG Jamon Brown off waivers who I would love to have back on a 2 year deal. He helped the interior line and Eli's play went up as a result.
I cant wait to see what he does this off season.
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
Do expect him to cut Vernon. While he is not worth his contract he is the only pass rush we have. I think we keep him for 1 more year. We should still draft a ER this year though.
He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.
I liked that he had a conviction on Beal by giving up a previous 3rd..
Yeah, he made mistakes as EVERY GM in the NFL DOES and will do..
On balance, a good first year here, imo
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he did some good and some bad, but I think the good was more significant. Very interested to see how QB is handled this year and what he does to continue to bolster the two lines.
He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.
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I like what he’s done to start changing the culture in year 1. This is hard to measure as a metric, but the way the team kept playing hard down the stretch was noticeably different that other recent losing seasons.
But as said above, his tenure will come down to the Eli transition. Can he set us up with a replacement, or will he leave us in his self described “QB hell”?
Omameh, Martin, Stewart, and Latimer all things considered had bad years.
Michael Thomas, Josh Mauro, BW Webb, Russel Shepard were serviceable but unremarkable.
With the number of holes on the roster and without the luxury of 4 top 70 picks, Gettleman has a very big offseason in front of him.
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
That's a very troubling way to approach roster management.
The counter is the Giants were still 5-11, and now that average tackle at ages 31, 32, 33 will have cap hits of 17, 17, 18M.
The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.
2. Did what he could in free agency with what was available on the market and based upon our cap space
3. Had a decent draft and it has been a while since we could say that.
If he continues to have decent drafts, then THAT is the key to our long term success. The poor drafts under Reese meant we had to try to over spend in free agency and we had no depth on the roster. It is like a leaky bucket.
Too many people here expected miracles in ONE off season. We had (and still are) a bad team. Barkley and OBJ are not enough to make us a contender.
Otherwise, by start if the the transition era, you will be hamstrung or betrayed by crap D.
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he did some good and some bad, but I think the good was more significant. Very interested to see how QB is handled this year and what he does to continue to bolster the two lines.
He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.
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I like what he’s done to start changing the culture in year 1. This is hard to measure as a metric, but the way the team kept playing hard down the stretch was noticeably different that other recent losing seasons.
But as said above, his tenure will come down to the Eli transition. Can he set us up with a replacement, or will he leave us in his self described “QB hell”?
Agreed, his tenure will largely be dictated by the qb position. He’s never had to draft a potential franchise qb as GM, so we don’t really know what he values in the position. Let’s see what he does, so far an incomplete on the job, made some decent moves and some had moves.
If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things.
Doesn't seem like yesterday to me. I know time flies, but that seems like a long time ago.
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?
The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.
Seriously? Neither one are NFL players and you wanted to plug them in. Flowers is a bust and Wheeler can't block a paper bag.
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Draft Haskins at 1
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
Great, we've already create two additional holes on the D by trading away starters at DT and CB, now lets create two more holes by cutting our other starting CB and the teams only ER.
Where did I say cut Jenkins I said keep him.
With Vernon’s injury history he’s better off being cut and saving the 11 million
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?
The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.
Seriously? Neither one are NFL players and you wanted to plug them in. Flowers is a bust and Wheeler can't block a paper bag.
You are missing the point -- the Giants were lucky to squeeze 5 wins out of the season. And the Giants did just that at right tackle.
What was the worse outcome of the Giants had done it at left tackle?
I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement.
I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D.
I do, however, look forward to him moving up the learning curve on restructuring this franchise in 2019 after seeing it operate last year...
RT
RG
ER
FS
LB
DL
And QB.
If Beal works out
RT
RG
ER
FS
LB
DL
And QB.
If Beal works out
Unfortunately his first FA signing period was a miss. I will not fault him for Stewart as it was essentially a 1 year deal that was intended to help with the locker room more than anything else. Gettleman was hoping that Omameh was a late bloomer after a solid season in Jax but that was clearly a miss. It's encouraging that he was willing to admit his mistake early on and move on. That was one of Reese's biggest faults. He often hung onto his draft picks longer than he should have in hopes that the player would turn around and justify the pick.
If Gettleman find his franchise QB then I will be very excited about the future because the roster is in better shape than it was a year ago.
Can he acquire a starting RT, RG (no fan of Brown) a serious ER, a safety AND a QB.
Also, does he keep Eli’s $23m on the books or does he cut him? Restructuring is just kicking the decision down the road.
So in total, he won 5 games. Signed a questionable HC, drafted a terrific RB and drafted 2-3 potential future starters. Not bad but definitely not good enough to believe we should have confidence in his plan.
I'm hopeful he'll have a strong 2019 from our GM despite the team not going anywhere.
but will steady get this team over the top? Focusing too much on one specific philosophy can be a downfall.
But I have enjoyed the calm and solid personnel moves for most part so far.
Two things. Just accept that we are not going for QB or RT this year.
We have 11 picks. Trade to have more in 2-3 yet less overall
Say, 6 between #6 and the end if the 5th round, instead of 11, including two in round 2 as opposed to only 1. Moving up within 4 and 5 if possible.
Then add a free agent or two.
That makes your list draftable with quality all the way down in no particular order:
DT,DL,OLB,ILB,FS,SS
Free agency - best center available
I'm not ok with any of those things. He failed miserably in year one IMO. I think he felt he could make us competitive his first year. Like Reese he thinks he's smarter than everyone else boy neither of them are. Now we're going to be the doormat of the nfl east until we find a franchise qb while obj and Barkley got older and more banged up.
Trading away a young starting CN during a rebuild makes little sense. Snacks is older so that would be understandable if we got more for him but trading him for a pick that the odds say probably won't make the team is idiodic.
Why?
You think Jets are trading down or Oakland will take a QB?
I'm not sure Mayock had Haskins that high.
24
27
35
66
Assuming we stick at 6 and draft a great, great DT, adding any one of those 24-27-35 would probably land us a legitimate or better pass rusher or ILB.
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We have plenty if trade fodder and raiders may be in building mode.
I personally like what The Getts has done visa vis role players on both sides.
We may be ready to add some great ones.
6
(24/27 or 35)
37
All used on front 7, given apparent type of supply this year, radically changes the team
I don’t think he’s a fool and we know he’s very experienced, but he is competing against the best football evaluators. I am not convinced we have an edge.
The Getts may not be a genius, but he has the right idea for us, right now, on this team (trenches, lines, pass rush) works hard, and seems to be humble enough to learn from his mistakes.
I'll take it.
We will see this year....
How you can say he had a good free agency is beyond me.....name one free agent that was a head turner?
A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space...but did the guys he brought in make us forget the guys he let go? In some cases yes, some no....the only guy he brought to this defense that made some plays, was Ogletree......not a bad deal for a cap hit of 4.75M for 2018, but not a good deal for 2019 at 11.75M.....
And who were the free agent head turners on Offense? While Brown fell into his lap, he is not the answer at RG....he is just better than what we had.....a very low bar to jump....
DG has to do a lot better putting together this roster this year.....last year was to clean house.....this year is to make important decisions on OV, Jenkins, Collins, Eli, Ellison, Martin, etc., and make this a better team.....
I guess Hernandez and Hill suck. Who knew. Nice analogy though.
There is a huge gray cloud floating over Jints Central about the Barkley vs QB decision. That still needs to play out. And that could get further complicated if we use the #6 pick this year on a QB. Then that selection will be compared to the players we passed on to select Barkley.
This is why last year's biggest off-season decision was the selection of a GM. It was a watershed moment to select the person to bridge this organization from one legacy to the next.
If could be an enormous setback if Ernie got this wrong...
We will see this year....
How you can say he had a good free agency is beyond me.....name one free agent that was a head turner?
A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space...but did the guys he brought in make us forget the guys he let go? In some cases yes, some no....the only guy he brought to this defense that made some plays, was Ogletree......not a bad deal for a cap hit of 4.75M for 2018, but not a good deal for 2019 at 11.75M.....
And who were the free agent head turners on Offense? While Brown fell into his lap, he is not the answer at RG....he is just better than what we had.....a very low bar to jump....
A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space.
Interesting statement. Look I cant hold Solder and Omameh against DG too much. Our oline was terrible. We knew we were not bringing back Pugh and Richburg. We lost out on Norwell so we signed the next best guy Solder. Did we overpay..YES..but he brings more that just play to the oline he brought Vet leadership, a winning mentality, and he wanted to be here. Would you rather our line still depent on Flowers????
Omameh was a risk but he played decent for the Jags. it did not work out. The rest was based on limited cap space. We went with Guys that knew our new DC's scheme.
So I guess we differ. And I believe that Brown is worth a 2 year deal. We still have limited cap room. Its not like we have 100 mil and DG has tons to choose from.
I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement.
I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D.
This is Really a head scratching comment... The Giants were actually at one time pretty good under Jerry Reese all things considered.. DG has had one year were the Giants won 5 games and the FA was questionable at best the draft outside of Barkley is a wait and see.
Nothing so far makes me more confident in DG then in Reese tenure here when the Giants for a period of time were actually good
However, the personnel make-up is definitely not ready to win now.
Do the Giants try to squeeze another year from Eli, eat the $23m limiting their cap, do they hope their Eli can avoid the rush enough to get the team to 9 or 10 wins and a possible playoff series? Or do they say, screw it, cut Eli, use the $23m to find additional talent and have a young QB learn as they go.
I know the Giants have no obligation to tell the fans what their strategy is so I am just rooting that DG has the long term success of the franchise in mind.
DG may indeed have a strategy but until they determine what college arm they are going to pin their hopes on in this draft or next, it won't be on display.
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But was it because he had the second pick?
We will see this year....
How you can say he had a good free agency is beyond me.....name one free agent that was a head turner?
A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space...but did the guys he brought in make us forget the guys he let go? In some cases yes, some no....the only guy he brought to this defense that made some plays, was Ogletree......not a bad deal for a cap hit of 4.75M for 2018, but not a good deal for 2019 at 11.75M.....
And who were the free agent head turners on Offense? While Brown fell into his lap, he is not the answer at RG....he is just better than what we had.....a very low bar to jump....
A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space.
Interesting statement. Look I cant hold Solder and Omameh against DG too much. Our oline was terrible. We knew we were not bringing back Pugh and Richburg. We lost out on Norwell so we signed the next best guy Solder. Did we overpay..YES..but he brings more that just play to the oline he brought Vet leadership, a winning mentality, and he wanted to be here. Would you rather our line still depent on Flowers????
Omameh was a risk but he played decent for the Jags. it did not work out. The rest was based on limited cap space. We went with Guys that knew our new DC's scheme.
So I guess we differ. And I believe that Brown is worth a 2 year deal. We still have limited cap room. Its not like we have 100 mil and DG has tons to choose from.
1-- Regarding Soldier and Omameh I preferred Hubbard and Fulton.
2-- WHen do you expect the Gmen to be a title contender?
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Every GM is going to whiff, the speed on how he cuts bait is amazing. It's definitely going to be an interesting year. He now knows what he's got with the players on the roster. He understands what types of players the coaching staff is looking for.
I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement.
I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D.
This is Really a head scratching comment... The Giants were actually at one time pretty good under Jerry Reese all things considered.. DG has had one year were the Giants won 5 games and the FA was questionable at best the draft outside of Barkley is a wait and see.
Nothing so far makes me more confident in DG then in Reese tenure here when the Giants for a period of time were actually good
Yours might be more head scratching.
Jerry Reese is the reason we are where we are right now. This is what happens when your GM whiffs on entire drafts.
Gettleman is still "incomplete" as far as I'm concerned. He did some things I liked, he also did some things that made me unsure if he was the man for this job.
I need to see continual improvement from here, though.
If NYG finish under .500 again next year, I'll be more skeptical of the GM and coach. This always needed more than one year, though. It really cannot be understated how badly Reese fucked this team up by having zero-yield drafts.
Jimmy Googs : 11:37 am : link : reply
is nonsensical and too extreme.
Complete faith or complete disgust are such radical statements that they should be dismissed completely.
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Complete faith in our GM
Jimmy Googs : 11:37 am : link : reply
is nonsensical and too extreme.
Complete faith or complete disgust are such radical statements that they should be dismissed completely.
Valid point so I amend it to I have high faith in our GM
Furthermore, what's gone around here the sine 2012 is not really his concern......sucks that we haven't been winning for awhile but he's got to go about it the way he thinks is best.
Not Me, Reese, and especially Ross should have been fired in 2013
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I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement.
I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D.
Yours might be more head scratching.
Jerry Reese is the reason we are where we are right now. This is what happens when your GM whiffs on entire drafts.
Gettleman is still "incomplete" as far as I'm concerned. He did some things I liked, he also did some things that made me unsure if he was the man for this job.
I need to see continual improvement from here, though.
If NYG finish under .500 again next year, I'll be more skeptical of the GM and coach. This always needed more than one year, though. It really cannot be understated how badly Reese fucked this team up by having zero-yield drafts.
No I agree late in Jerry’s tenure the Giants were a train wreck.
All I’m saying there was a time when the Giants were actually good under Reese that was the last time this organization had any sustained success. Nothing so far DG has done gives me any more confidence than that time. The Giants won 5 games after we were all but told they can “make a run” no one seems to care that this guy traded away JPP Apple and Snacks for what look like meager returns
He also brought in some awful FA to play on our defense. Curtis Riley Conner Barwin Kareem Martin are you kidding me?
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by now that the answer is almost always in the middle ground:
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Complete faith in our GM
Jimmy Googs : 11:37 am : link : reply
is nonsensical and too extreme.
Complete faith or complete disgust are such radical statements that they should be dismissed completely.
Valid point so I amend it to I have high faith in our GM
Fair enough... :-)
I don’t think he’s a fool and we know he’s very experienced, but he is competing against the best football evaluators. I am not convinced we have an edge.
I'm in the same boat as cosmic, with some additional concern from the fact that he inherited a scouting department that has remained almost entirely unchanged (from a personnel perspective at least). I feel that the team's weakness has been scouting for some time, dating back to the middle of Reese's tenure, and that hasn't changed since.
Further, the pro personnel department failed miserably last year. A lot of money was spent, and very little was gained in return. One player got a good sum of money and was cut before the year was over. I see several lauding that as a positive that Gettleman doesn't hold on to his own mistakes - but seem to overlook the magnitude of the mistake in the first place. That, along with $3M wasted on a Jonathan Stewart who was so clearly cooked before he got here makes you question the ability of those running pro personnel.
I hope I'm wrong, but I see a lot more reasons to be pessimistic than optimistic. Not all that Gettleman has done is bad of course - Barkley had a fantastic year, and Hernandez looks like a keeper. BJ Hill had a good season. Lauletta seems to be yet another wasted mid round QB pick.
Hopefully Gettleman has a stronger second year.
I don’t know the answer, gun to head it’s a little of both. But to suggest he didn’t know how much Eli declined is, IMO, ridiculous.
We seem to have done well with the draft. We have upside with our last 2 drafts really, though cutting QB Webb was a 3rd round blow.
DG will be the first to admit that he made some mistakes with UFA but he had little choice in who he could sign. We made a mistake not cutting Flowers at the end of training camp.
My whole thing is continue with your "best player available" philosophy. I would hate if DG "fell in love with the potential" of either Haskins or Murray and trade up. Potential is great but please don't reach if you aren't 100% sure your man has the good. He took Saquon last year over Donaldson, Rosen for a reason: he was the highest rated player on his draft board and it wasn't even close. Saquon has 7 or more years left in him if he stays healthy.
My gut tells me a team or two will move up ahead of the Giants to take Haskins and / or Murray. DG won't over-pay so we'll have a defensive player for #6 who is HIGH on our draft board. Round 2, I hope a top OL is there.
I have more faith in DG than Shurmur right now. As a fan, I am torn on Eli the most. If Lauletta or Webb had shown any promise, he'd be easier to part with for this year and you build on the future in 2019.
I'd hate to see us "bandaid" this team with hopes we have just enough & get lucky enough to get a winning season and a playoff game. We should make sure we have cap space in 2020 rather than mortgage our future.
I do, however, look forward to him moving up the learning curve on restructuring this franchise in 2019 after seeing it operate last year...
+1 His FA moves were questionable at best, who did he bring in that was better than what they had.....not much!
1. Keeping Eli
2. Drafting a running back #2
3. Paying Beckham instead of trading him
People keep saying he had a great draft, but I don't agree. The decision to draft Barkley over Darnold, Chubb, or Nelson is highly questionable given that in 2018 we were weak at QB, pass rush, and OL. Remember his opening statement: "We have to fix the offensive line." If that were the case then why pass on one of the best guard prospects in many years in Nelson?
And how about the fact he helped hire Shurmur? How did that decision look in year 1? Maybe he's "an adult", but if he were would he have mocked his backup quarterback to take a shot at the media? Wouldn't an adult manage the clock and his timeouts?
Part of the GM's job is to best situate the team for the next few years. I don't feel as though he did that in year one. I think we're on the brink of more uncertainty and changes in direction.
Whether he went into the season thinking the team was close to competing, I assume he came out of it after purging 3/5 the roster, cutting and trading at least 4 starters, and losing 11 games, knowing this team isn't very close.
I don’t know the answer, gun to head it’s a little of both. But to suggest he didn’t know how much Eli declined is, IMO, ridiculous.
I don't think it's unfair to suggest he miscalculated the level of decline. I think Gettleman came in figuring he needed to bolster the OL, and that with some incremental improvements he would get a significant improvement in Eli's game as well.
I believe that the OL and Eli are tied together bidirectionally. People figure Eli's poor performances are due to the OL's performance, which is true. I think they neglect to consider how much more difficult it is for the OL to block for Eli given the current state of his agility and decision making. He needs more blocking than he did in the past, and with OL play going right into the toilet, that's a luxury most teams don't have. I think Gettleman went in figuring Solder and Omameh (plus shifting Flowers to RT) would result in enough of a bump in OL play to bring Eli closer to his pre-2012 form, and that very clearly wasn't the case.
The objective isn't to field the best team possible in the immediate term at all costs. The objective is to build a strong core of talent and create a window where the team can compete for a championship.
Accepting reality and improving upon it is the first step of good management.
I think Gettleman gets it. I do think however he was wrong in his assessment of reality last Spring.
During the first half of Reese's stay with the Giants it was on this board "In Reese We Trust." During the second half that turned into "Reese, You Suck."
But in 2016 Reese managed something in free agency that received the praise of about everyone in the NFL world. He signed Harrison, Jenkins and DRC. That year the Giants' defense was third best in giving up points, and, almost incredibly, all three made either first team or second team AP All Pro, to which I give more respect than the Pro Bowl.
Somehow the new management traded two of them, and I use the word "trade" loosely since the Giants really didn't receive anything in return. The defense in one year went back to being lousy. I never understood Gettleman's logic in ridding the defense of above average players when he had no one even as good to replace them.
This applies to JPP also. Not because he was a dominant player, but he was a productive above average player who elevated Vernon's game when both were in the lineup. and we had no one even as good to replace any of them.
Say what you will about the others, but the Harrison trade was I think the stupidest trade the Giants have made since they shipped the overall 2nd pick in the 1975 draft to the Cowboys for Dallas backup quarterback Craig Morton. Morton went on to suck with the Giants while Randy White terrorized the Giants and the rest of the league for the next decade.
So after he unloaded Snacks the Lions' run defense got better and the Giants' run defense got worse. What a surprise. But at least in exchange for Harrison the Giants got a fifth round draft pick. Fifth round. There would have been better value for Harrison if the Lions had given the Giants two lottery tickets for the Powerball Million.
And don't give me that bit about "cancer in the locker room." He wasn't that.
If Gettleman has as good a draft this year as he had last year then I'll ease up on him.
IMO, he's got two real tests this year. First, I really think his 2nd and 3rd day picks will have a lot to do with his legacy here.
And, of course his plan for the post Eli Giants.
During the first half of Reese's stay with the Giants it was on this board "In Reese We Trust." During the second half that turned into "Reese, You Suck."
But in 2016 Reese managed something in free agency that received the praise of about everyone in the NFL world. He signed Harrison, Jenkins and DRC. That year the Giants' defense was third best in giving up points, and, almost incredibly, all three made either first team or second team AP All Pro, to which I give more respect than the Pro Bowl.
Somehow the new management traded two of them, and I use the word "trade" loosely since the Giants really didn't receive anything in return. The defense in one year went back to being lousy. I never understood Gettleman's logic in ridding the defense of above average players when he had no one even as good to replace them.
This applies to JPP also. Not because he was a dominant player, but he was a productive above average player who elevated Vernon's game when both were in the lineup. and we had no one even as good to replace any of them.
Say what you will about the others, but the Harrison trade was I think the stupidest trade the Giants have made since they shipped the overall 2nd pick in the 1975 draft to the Cowboys for Dallas backup quarterback Craig Morton. Morton went on to suck with the Giants while Randy White terrorized the Giants and the rest of the league for the next decade.
So after he unloaded Snacks the Lions' run defense got better and the Giants' run defense got worse. What a surprise. But at least in exchange for Harrison the Giants got a fifth round draft pick. Fifth round. There would have been better value for Harrison if the Lions had given the Giants two lottery tickets for the Powerball Million.
And don't give me that bit about "cancer in the locker room." He wasn't that.
If Gettleman has as good a draft this year as he had last year then I'll ease up on him.
You may not like the Harrison trade, but it was the correct decision. And every report suggests he was a bad locker room guy so what exactly are you talking about?
Maybe the return was light but it was clear he was going to be cut this offseason, so they got something for him during a lost season. As for the Lions, they improved a bit with their rushing D, but nothing to write home about. They still sucked and went 3-7 after trading for him, 3-3 before acquiring him. So yeah, no ide what you are complaining about.
https://www.cover1.net/damon-harrison-rejuvenating-the-detroit-lions-run-defense/
I really liked Snacks. But it just wasn’t working anymore. We got back a pick and moved on from a player that was going to get cut.
Still DG > douchy micrtransgression Reese wearing sweatpants and a stained tshirt to a HoF coach's ass canning press conference.
We as Giants fans have noe become very fashion conscious.
Again, not saying he wasn't a pain in the ass or that i don't want the pick. But he clearly made an impact on their rush defense...
His FA signing were not good. The jury is out on the trades depending on what he gets instead.
He's made the moves, like cleaning out the roster, that any new GM would have made.
Then again, compared to Reese, a hamster as GM would have been an improvement.
Again, not saying he wasn't a pain in the ass or that i don't want the pick. But he clearly made an impact on their rush defense...
What do you mean “not really”? He helped improve the rush defense. Just like ours got worse when he left. I’ve stated that. But we got better and they got worse, isn’t that the more important part of this and why moves are made? This is a thread about our GM and he made a move that not only got us back a pick, but we improved as a AFTER losing the player/s.
Goes to show you that team cohesion and locker room stuff matters more than many think it does, which is the reason why I replied to the post that said it didn’t matter. It does.
No worries though, I understand your view.
I don't doubt it - but so far, I've only seen throwaway quotes that required a lot of reading between the lines and in the form of tweets. They seem to imply it wasn't his play or his salary that got him traded, but nobody has come right out (that I've seen) and said that he was either a bad apple or not cooperating somehow.
Apple I get - very little in return for a guy that needed a change of scenery, but he needed to go and his production to that point wasn't going to yield much.
In addition to the misses in FA - I think overlooked in the part about the roster turnover is that players that went elsewhere tended to produce a lot better than the players that were brought in, which included paying both a pick and a big salary for Ogletree.
If you want to make that case - fine and dandy. Then there's no need to throw in the 'and the guy's a bad locker room presence'.
If that accusation is going to be made - I think it should be qualified somehow. As I said, I've only seen it in tweets here or there, and not laid out clearly (one was trying to read between the lines from a press conference after the trade).
As for his age and his cost and 2 down role - another team (with a better defense) made the investment and it paid off for them. This team has plenty of tough decisions to make, and it starts with two of the highest paid players on the roster (Eli and Vernon). Let's hope they approach the return on investment in a similar manner with those two.
As for the locker room stuff, I have no access to sources, just reading between the lines. Just because there isn’t a formal announcement doesn’t mean nothing happened. It’s not something to get hung up on anyway, the other reasons I listed are plenty.
Does Shurmur feel as though he meets the standard laid down by Parcells?
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?
If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things.
Interesting comment. I could say if your buisness was to chauffeur rich people who expect high end transportation, and you were paid in advance to provide this service, you might be forced to buy this last car in the lot. Just like some of the season ticket holders for the Giants would expect.
As for the locker room stuff, I have no access to sources, just reading between the lines. Just because there isn’t a formal announcement doesn’t mean nothing happened. It’s not something to get hung up on anyway, the other reasons I listed are plenty.
Their defense improved - that was the point of trading for him.
As for shitting on the guy on his way out with no proof - it's pointless. It's only necessary if you feel the case for trading him on the basis of his play or salary isn't strong enough. I've seen this thrown around a bit, and like I said - never without having to read between a lot of lines and do a lot of assuming.
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?
If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things.
Interesting comment. I could say if your buisness was to chauffeur rich people who expect high end transportation, and you were paid in advance to provide this service, you might be forced to buy this last car in the lot. Just like some of the season ticket holders for the Giants would expect.
If the Giants are basing personnel decisions on the expectations of seasonal ticket holders, the future of the team is in grave danger.
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In comment 14268261 Ira said:
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?
If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things.
Interesting comment. I could say if your buisness was to chauffeur rich people who expect high end transportation, and you were paid in advance to provide this service, you might be forced to buy this last car in the lot. Just like some of the season ticket holders for the Giants would expect.
If your business was to chauffer rich people around, and you don't already have a car before taking advance payment, you have failed many steps before this point. Strange analogy.
This whole thing is weird.
I think there is a ring of truth to this. I think DG is reluctant to draft a an high out of complete fear of missing. It’s possible he’s perfectly content with mediocrity at the position post Eli, and I’ve said before it wouldn’t surprise me if a Foles or Bridgewater is the next Giants qb post Eli. We’ll see, and I highly doubt he selects a qb in this draft.