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I have complete faith in our GM

superspynyg : 1/19/2019 9:22 am
I liked what he did in his first year. I think our 2018 draft was awesome. We got 3 starters and a very solid rotation guy. He wanted to solidify the lines and we are well on our way to do that. Hill is awsome I love that he used a third in the supplemental draft on Beal. He did not help us but I feel that he has the talent have been a 2nd round cb in the 2019 draft and we got him for a 3rd.

I like the way DG made trades and got us a lot of late round picks in this draft that we can use to move up should we want to.

I like most of the FA moves he made. While we missed out on our top choice for the oline. And he did take a swing and missed on Pat Omameh but he realized his mistake and cut him. I also think better of Solder than most of you. He is not pro bowl LT and we did overpay but he provides a veteran leader on a line that had none. I do think his play got better as the year went on. He also claimed OG Jamon Brown off waivers who I would love to have back on a 2 year deal. He helped the interior line and Eli's play went up as a result.

I cant wait to see what he does this off season.

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I think the thing I like the most....  
Britt in VA : 1/19/2019 9:23 am : link
was his willingness to cut bait and make changes.
I'm cautiously optimistic.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2019 9:26 am : link
Giving him the benefit of the doubt. Time will tell.
No reason to think in absolutes  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/19/2019 9:34 am : link
Seems like just yesterday we were all parroting "In Reese We Trust"
Here’s what I’m hoping DG will do  
Earl the goat : 1/19/2019 9:35 am : link
Draft Haskins at 1
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
I’m optimistic  
UConn4523 : 1/19/2019 9:36 am : link
he did some good and some bad, but I think the good was more significant. Very interested to see how QB is handled this year and what he does to continue to bolster the two lines.

He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
I too have faith that the team picks up at least a couple of good  
Giants61 : 1/19/2019 9:38 am : link
O linemen and at least one strong pass rusher. I believe DG will not over draft by getting high risk high reward players like the previous regime. Gettleman seems to have a better understanding of team needs and a better eye for talent.
RE: Here’s what I’m hoping DG will do  
superspynyg : 1/19/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14268240 Earl the goat said:
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Draft Haskins at 1
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins


Do expect him to cut Vernon. While he is not worth his contract he is the only pass rush we have. I think we keep him for 1 more year. We should still draft a ER this year though.
Enjoying watching the process  
idiotsavant : 1/19/2019 9:39 am : link
Looking forward to the all defense draft in 2019, free agent OLs ..and then the QB in 2020.
RE: I’m optimistic  
X : 1/19/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14268242 UConn4523 said:
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he did some good and some bad, but I think the good was more significant. Very interested to see how QB is handled this year and what he does to continue to bolster the two lines.

He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.


Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.
I don’t think faith is the way to go here.  
eugibs : 1/19/2019 9:47 am : link
I favor a “trust, but verify” approach.
It's still a two year process  
idiotsavant : 1/19/2019 9:50 am : link
Otherwise you fail to work the market
His draft was good  
arniefez : 1/19/2019 9:51 am : link
if you're ok with a RB with the #2 pick. Everything else he did was absolutely horrible including cutting players who were better than their replacements. I have little to no faith that the Giants can compete in the 2019 NFL with this front office and this coaching staff. The NFL has become a high tech F1 sport and the Giants are driving an old pickup with 150,000 miles on it.
Not a fan of the signing, but he seemed to have drafted very  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2019 9:51 am : link
well. Cutting bait was a nice change of pace. I liked the Ogletree trade and the Solder pick up. I wasn’t concerned about the money paid to Solder because it’s the age of outrageous contracts and I’ve made peace with that.

I liked that he had a conviction on Beal by giving up a previous 3rd..

Yeah, he made mistakes as EVERY GM in the NFL DOES and will do..

On balance, a good first year here, imo
previous 3rd=precious 3rd  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2019 9:53 am : link
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The thing about the Solder signing was we desperately needed a  
Ira : 1/19/2019 9:54 am : link
left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?
RE: RE: I’m optimistic  
mfsd : 1/19/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14268250 X said:
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he did some good and some bad, but I think the good was more significant. Very interested to see how QB is handled this year and what he does to continue to bolster the two lines.

He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.



Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.


+2

I like what he’s done to start changing the culture in year 1. This is hard to measure as a metric, but the way the team kept playing hard down the stretch was noticeably different that other recent losing seasons.

But as said above, his tenure will come down to the Eli transition. Can he set us up with a replacement, or will he leave us in his self described “QB hell”?
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christian : 1/19/2019 10:00 am : link
Of the free agents the Giants signed last year, Solder is the only one I'd file under "average" and with 34.8M in guarantees I'd sure hope so.

Omameh, Martin, Stewart, and Latimer all things considered had bad years.

Michael Thomas, Josh Mauro, BW Webb, Russel Shepard were serviceable but unremarkable.

With the number of holes on the roster and without the luxury of 4 top 70 picks, Gettleman has a very big offseason in front of him.
RE: Here’s what I’m hoping DG will do  
Beer Man : 1/19/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14268240 Earl the goat said:
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Draft Haskins at 1
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
Great, we've already create two additional holes on the D by trading away starters at DT and CB, now lets create two more holes by cutting our other starting CB and the teams only ER.
RE: The thing about the Solder signing was we desperately needed a  
christian : 1/19/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14268261 Ira said:
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?


That's a very troubling way to approach roster management.

The counter is the Giants were still 5-11, and now that average tackle at ages 31, 32, 33 will have cap hits of 17, 17, 18M.

The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.
I have no issues with DG so far...  
EricJ : 1/19/2019 10:14 am : link
1. Inherited a "knock down" in real estate terms
2. Did what he could in free agency with what was available on the market and based upon our cap space
3. Had a decent draft and it has been a while since we could say that.

If he continues to have decent drafts, then THAT is the key to our long term success. The poor drafts under Reese meant we had to try to over spend in free agency and we had no depth on the roster. It is like a leaky bucket.

Too many people here expected miracles in ONE off season. We had (and still are) a bad team. Barkley and OBJ are not enough to make us a contender.
Don't fall in love with the upside  
idiotsavant : 1/19/2019 10:22 am : link
Of having barks and Odell, tryingbto leverage that and therefore fail to rebuild the defensive core and defensive upside.

Otherwise, by start if the the transition era, you will be hamstrung or betrayed by crap D.
RE: RE: RE: I’m optimistic  
lax counsel : 1/19/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14268262 mfsd said:
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he did some good and some bad, but I think the good was more significant. Very interested to see how QB is handled this year and what he does to continue to bolster the two lines.

He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.



Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.



+2

I like what he’s done to start changing the culture in year 1. This is hard to measure as a metric, but the way the team kept playing hard down the stretch was noticeably different that other recent losing seasons.

But as said above, his tenure will come down to the Eli transition. Can he set us up with a replacement, or will he leave us in his self described “QB hell”?


Agreed, his tenure will largely be dictated by the qb position. He’s never had to draft a potential franchise qb as GM, so we don’t really know what he values in the position. Let’s see what he does, so far an incomplete on the job, made some decent moves and some had moves.
RE: The thing about the Solder signing was we desperately needed a  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/19/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14268261 Ira said:
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?


If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things.
It’s the coaching staff I’m more worried about  
Ssanders9816 : 1/19/2019 10:28 am : link
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RE: No reason to think in absolutes  
Dr. D : 1/19/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14268236 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Seems like just yesterday we were all parroting "In Reese We Trust"

Doesn't seem like yesterday to me. I know time flies, but that seems like a long time ago.
RE: RE: The thing about the Solder signing was we desperately needed a  
Bruner4329 : 1/19/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14268287 christian said:
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?



The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.


Seriously? Neither one are NFL players and you wanted to plug them in. Flowers is a bust and Wheeler can't block a paper bag.
RE: RE: Here’s what I’m hoping DG will do  
Earl the goat : 1/19/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14268279 Beer Man said:
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Draft Haskins at 1
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins

Great, we've already create two additional holes on the D by trading away starters at DT and CB, now lets create two more holes by cutting our other starting CB and the teams only ER.



Where did I say cut Jenkins I said keep him.
With Vernon’s injury history he’s better off being cut and saving the 11 million
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christian : 1/19/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14268312 Bruner4329 said:
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?



The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.



Seriously? Neither one are NFL players and you wanted to plug them in. Flowers is a bust and Wheeler can't block a paper bag.


You are missing the point -- the Giants were lucky to squeeze 5 wins out of the season. And the Giants did just that at right tackle.

What was the worse outcome of the Giants had done it at left tackle?
Good drafting  
XBRONX : 1/19/2019 11:00 am : link
shitty at FA
agreed, I have way more confidence in DG than I ever did with Reese  
dd in Mass : 1/19/2019 11:09 am : link
Every GM is going to whiff, the speed on how he cuts bait is amazing. It's definitely going to be an interesting year. He now knows what he's got with the players on the roster. He understands what types of players the coaching staff is looking for.

I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement.

I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D.
Complete faith in our GM  
Jimmy Googs : 1/19/2019 11:37 am : link
is nonsensical and too extreme. He hasn't earned that level of deference at all with some of the poor moves from last season, several of which were whoppers.

I do, however, look forward to him moving up the learning curve on restructuring this franchise in 2019 after seeing it operate last year...
DG has less funds and less premium picks  
George from PA : 1/19/2019 11:39 am : link
So his work is cut out for him....

RT
RG
ER
FS
LB
DL
And QB.

If Beal works out
RE: DG has less funds and less premium picks  
Beer Man : 1/19/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14268359 George from PA said:
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So his work is cut out for him....

RT
RG
ER
FS
LB
DL
And QB.

If Beal works out
Add SS, as there is no guarantee that Collins will be resigned
I wanted John Dorsey as GM  
Jay on the Island : 1/19/2019 11:58 am : link
but unfortunately the Browns struck before the Giants could interview him. Gettleman is a decent GM. His draft was excellent last year as we already have three starters with a possible fourth, Lorenzo Carter. McIntosh flashed a bit as well and he could be a solid rotational DE with a chance for more. If Lauletta develops into a solid backup then that is a solid 5/5 in draft picks.

Unfortunately his first FA signing period was a miss. I will not fault him for Stewart as it was essentially a 1 year deal that was intended to help with the locker room more than anything else. Gettleman was hoping that Omameh was a late bloomer after a solid season in Jax but that was clearly a miss. It's encouraging that he was willing to admit his mistake early on and move on. That was one of Reese's biggest faults. He often hung onto his draft picks longer than he should have in hopes that the player would turn around and justify the pick.

If Gettleman find his franchise QB then I will be very excited about the future because the roster is in better shape than it was a year ago.
Jury is still out  
PhilSimms15 : 1/19/2019 12:06 pm : link
DG made one major miscalculation as he decided the team was ready to compete now and to be confident in Eli because he looked great in an Eagle game. The result was five wins.

Can he acquire a starting RT, RG (no fan of Brown) a serious ER, a safety AND a QB.

Also, does he keep Eli’s $23m on the books or does he cut him? Restructuring is just kicking the decision down the road.

So in total, he won 5 games. Signed a questionable HC, drafted a terrific RB and drafted 2-3 potential future starters. Not bad but definitely not good enough to believe we should have confidence in his plan.
This GM expected to win in 2018  
giantstock : 1/19/2019 12:07 pm : link
How anyone can say they are confident after he blundered so badly in that belief which caused him to blunder with getting an older LT and trade youth for Ogeltree and ofc Omameh - is just not being rational.

I'm hopeful he'll have a strong 2019 from our GM despite the team not going anywhere.
He grossly over-evaluated the roster last year thinking we could win  
The_Boss : 1/19/2019 12:25 pm : link
I’m willing to give him another chance. Looking to supplant Dallas and/or Philadelphia this coming season isn’t realistic. Getting to .500 should be the plan. If this thing ends up going 5-11 or worse again, everyone should be wiped clean.
Calm confidence in this regime  
giantsFC : 1/19/2019 12:31 pm : link
As a steady ship...including the HC.

but will steady get this team over the top? Focusing too much on one specific philosophy can be a downfall.

But I have enjoyed the calm and solid personnel moves for most part so far.
I like George in PA.s thinking in this and  
idiotsavant : 1/19/2019 12:35 pm : link
If I may add to it a bit.

Two things. Just accept that we are not going for QB or RT this year.

We have 11 picks. Trade to have more in 2-3 yet less overall

Say, 6 between #6 and the end if the 5th round, instead of 11, including two in round 2 as opposed to only 1. Moving up within 4 and 5 if possible.

Then add a free agent or two.

That makes your list draftable with quality all the way down in no particular order:

DT,DL,OLB,ILB,FS,SS

Free agency - best center available

If careful one could target "starter +'' quality for the entire draft  
idiotsavant : 1/19/2019 12:38 pm : link
If one limits ones targets like that and trades up into rd 2
In order to get Haskins  
5BowlsSoon : 1/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
We would have to move up to maybe 3. So what do we give up to move up those three spots?
RE: His draft was good  
Giants_Rock : 1/19/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14268256 arniefez said:
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if you're ok with a RB with the #2 pick. Everything else he did was absolutely horrible including cutting players who were better than their replacements. I have little to no faith that the Giants can compete in the 2019 NFL with this front office and this coaching staff. The NFL has become a high tech F1 sport and the Giants are driving an old pickup with 150,000 miles on it.


I'm not ok with any of those things. He failed miserably in year one IMO. I think he felt he could make us competitive his first year. Like Reese he thinks he's smarter than everyone else boy neither of them are. Now we're going to be the doormat of the nfl east until we find a franchise qb while obj and Barkley got older and more banged up.
Trading away a young starting CN during a rebuild makes little sense. Snacks is older so that would be understandable if we got more for him but trading him for a pick that the odds say probably won't make the team is idiodic.
RE: In order to get Haskins  
giantstock : 1/19/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14268403 5BowlsSoon said:
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We would have to move up to maybe 3. So what do we give up to move up those three spots?


Why?

You think Jets are trading down or Oakland will take a QB?

I'm not sure Mayock had Haskins that high.
Looks like raiders have  
idiotsavant : 1/19/2019 1:03 pm : link
4
24
27
35
66

Assuming we stick at 6 and draft a great, great DT, adding any one of those 24-27-35 would probably land us a legitimate or better pass rusher or ILB.
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We have plenty if trade fodder and raiders may be in building mode.

I personally like what The Getts has done visa vis role players on both sides.

We may be ready to add some great ones.

6
(24/27 or 35)
37

All used on front 7, given apparent type of supply this year, radically changes the team
The jury is very much out on both Gettleman and Shurmur  
cosmicj : 1/19/2019 1:03 pm : link
I have no doubt that at one point DG was a satisfactory to good GM, but he is battling cancer and getting up there in years. Like lax counsel pointed out, he has never made a big QB selection before. Never. And if we are to take his public statements at face value, he badly misevaluated Eli last off season. In his recent organizational career over the last two decades, the only QB transitions he would have been involved with were both spearheaded by Ernie Accorsi (Collins, Manning).

I don’t think he’s a fool and we know he’s very experienced, but he is competing against the best football evaluators. I am not convinced we have an edge.
There are always smart or smarter people  
idiotsavant : 1/19/2019 1:17 pm : link
And, ironically, smart people often have or base their thinking, on the wrong idea or ideas. It's so frequent that it's almost the story of mankind.

The Getts may not be a genius, but he has the right idea for us, right now, on this team (trenches, lines, pass rush) works hard, and seems to be humble enough to learn from his mistakes.

I'll take it.
Yes, his draft did look good.....  
Doomster : 1/19/2019 1:18 pm : link
But was it because he had the second pick?

We will see this year....

How you can say he had a good free agency is beyond me.....name one free agent that was a head turner?

A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space...but did the guys he brought in make us forget the guys he let go? In some cases yes, some no....the only guy he brought to this defense that made some plays, was Ogletree......not a bad deal for a cap hit of 4.75M for 2018, but not a good deal for 2019 at 11.75M.....

And who were the free agent head turners on Offense? While Brown fell into his lap, he is not the answer at RG....he is just better than what we had.....a very low bar to jump....

DG has to do a lot better putting together this roster this year.....last year was to clean house.....this year is to make important decisions on OV, Jenkins, Collins, Eli, Ellison, Martin, etc., and make this a better team.....
The second half of  
St. Jimmy : 1/19/2019 1:40 pm : link
The season was very good for him. It looked like a disaster for the first half. The team coming together definitely changed my feelings of him.
RE: His draft was good  
UConn4523 : 1/19/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14268256 arniefez said:
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if you're ok with a RB with the #2 pick. Everything else he did was absolutely horrible including cutting players who were better than their replacements. I have little to no faith that the Giants can compete in the 2019 NFL with this front office and this coaching staff. The NFL has become a high tech F1 sport and the Giants are driving an old pickup with 150,000 miles on it.


I guess Hernandez and Hill suck. Who knew. Nice analogy though.
Lax has it right...  
bw in dc : 1/19/2019 1:55 pm : link
Gettleman's work to date is incomplete.

There is a huge gray cloud floating over Jints Central about the Barkley vs QB decision. That still needs to play out. And that could get further complicated if we use the #6 pick this year on a QB. Then that selection will be compared to the players we passed on to select Barkley.

This is why last year's biggest off-season decision was the selection of a GM. It was a watershed moment to select the person to bridge this organization from one legacy to the next.

If could be an enormous setback if Ernie got this wrong...
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