I liked what he did in his first year. I think our 2018 draft was awesome. We got 3 starters and a very solid rotation guy. He wanted to solidify the lines and we are well on our way to do that. Hill is awsome I love that he used a third in the supplemental draft on Beal. He did not help us but I feel that he has the talent have been a 2nd round cb in the 2019 draft and we got him for a 3rd.
I like the way DG made trades and got us a lot of late round picks in this draft that we can use to move up should we want to.
I like most of the FA moves he made. While we missed out on our top choice for the oline. And he did take a swing and missed on Pat Omameh but he realized his mistake and cut him. I also think better of Solder than most of you. He is not pro bowl LT and we did overpay but he provides a veteran leader on a line that had none. I do think his play got better as the year went on. He also claimed OG Jamon Brown off waivers who I would love to have back on a 2 year deal. He helped the interior line and Eli's play went up as a result.
I cant wait to see what he does this off season.
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
Do expect him to cut Vernon. While he is not worth his contract he is the only pass rush we have. I think we keep him for 1 more year. We should still draft a ER this year though.
He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.
I liked that he had a conviction on Beal by giving up a previous 3rd..
Yeah, he made mistakes as EVERY GM in the NFL DOES and will do..
On balance, a good first year here, imo
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he did some good and some bad, but I think the good was more significant. Very interested to see how QB is handled this year and what he does to continue to bolster the two lines.
He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.
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I like what he’s done to start changing the culture in year 1. This is hard to measure as a metric, but the way the team kept playing hard down the stretch was noticeably different that other recent losing seasons.
But as said above, his tenure will come down to the Eli transition. Can he set us up with a replacement, or will he leave us in his self described “QB hell”?
Omameh, Martin, Stewart, and Latimer all things considered had bad years.
Michael Thomas, Josh Mauro, BW Webb, Russel Shepard were serviceable but unremarkable.
With the number of holes on the roster and without the luxury of 4 top 70 picks, Gettleman has a very big offseason in front of him.
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
That's a very troubling way to approach roster management.
The counter is the Giants were still 5-11, and now that average tackle at ages 31, 32, 33 will have cap hits of 17, 17, 18M.
The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.
2. Did what he could in free agency with what was available on the market and based upon our cap space
3. Had a decent draft and it has been a while since we could say that.
If he continues to have decent drafts, then THAT is the key to our long term success. The poor drafts under Reese meant we had to try to over spend in free agency and we had no depth on the roster. It is like a leaky bucket.
Too many people here expected miracles in ONE off season. We had (and still are) a bad team. Barkley and OBJ are not enough to make us a contender.
Otherwise, by start if the the transition era, you will be hamstrung or betrayed by crap D.
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he did some good and some bad, but I think the good was more significant. Very interested to see how QB is handled this year and what he does to continue to bolster the two lines.
He had a mammoth of a task ahead of him last year, this wasn’t changing overnight.
Agree, what DG does with the QB situation will determine if he is a success or not.
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I like what he’s done to start changing the culture in year 1. This is hard to measure as a metric, but the way the team kept playing hard down the stretch was noticeably different that other recent losing seasons.
But as said above, his tenure will come down to the Eli transition. Can he set us up with a replacement, or will he leave us in his self described “QB hell”?
Agreed, his tenure will largely be dictated by the qb position. He’s never had to draft a potential franchise qb as GM, so we don’t really know what he values in the position. Let’s see what he does, so far an incomplete on the job, made some decent moves and some had moves.
If you need a car, you're not paying 80k for a pre-owned Lexus just because it's the only thing on the lot and you need a car. That's a bad way to look at things.
Doesn't seem like yesterday to me. I know time flies, but that seems like a long time ago.
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?
The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.
Seriously? Neither one are NFL players and you wanted to plug them in. Flowers is a bust and Wheeler can't block a paper bag.
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Draft Haskins at 1
Draft Dalton Risner at 2
Sign Daryl Williams for RT
Use the rest of the cap space and draft capital on defense
Cut Vernon. Keep Jenkins
Great, we've already create two additional holes on the D by trading away starters at DT and CB, now lets create two more holes by cutting our other starting CB and the teams only ER.
Where did I say cut Jenkins I said keep him.
With Vernon’s injury history he’s better off being cut and saving the 11 million
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left tackle and did for a few years. Who else was there?
The Giants could have stemmed the tied at LT with Flowers and Wheeler in 2018, and signed an average tackle like Donovan Smith for far less money this year.
Seriously? Neither one are NFL players and you wanted to plug them in. Flowers is a bust and Wheeler can't block a paper bag.
You are missing the point -- the Giants were lucky to squeeze 5 wins out of the season. And the Giants did just that at right tackle.
What was the worse outcome of the Giants had done it at left tackle?
I see a restructure for Eli or he's gone. I think 2-3 FA signings mostly OL/DL. If Eli is off the team then he will bring in a vet replacement.
I'm hoping in the draft that he gets us a QB, ER in the first 2 rounds, then goes mostly D.
I do, however, look forward to him moving up the learning curve on restructuring this franchise in 2019 after seeing it operate last year...
RT
RG
ER
FS
LB
DL
And QB.
If Beal works out
RT
RG
ER
FS
LB
DL
And QB.
If Beal works out
Unfortunately his first FA signing period was a miss. I will not fault him for Stewart as it was essentially a 1 year deal that was intended to help with the locker room more than anything else. Gettleman was hoping that Omameh was a late bloomer after a solid season in Jax but that was clearly a miss. It's encouraging that he was willing to admit his mistake early on and move on. That was one of Reese's biggest faults. He often hung onto his draft picks longer than he should have in hopes that the player would turn around and justify the pick.
If Gettleman find his franchise QB then I will be very excited about the future because the roster is in better shape than it was a year ago.
Can he acquire a starting RT, RG (no fan of Brown) a serious ER, a safety AND a QB.
Also, does he keep Eli’s $23m on the books or does he cut him? Restructuring is just kicking the decision down the road.
So in total, he won 5 games. Signed a questionable HC, drafted a terrific RB and drafted 2-3 potential future starters. Not bad but definitely not good enough to believe we should have confidence in his plan.
I'm hopeful he'll have a strong 2019 from our GM despite the team not going anywhere.
but will steady get this team over the top? Focusing too much on one specific philosophy can be a downfall.
But I have enjoyed the calm and solid personnel moves for most part so far.
Two things. Just accept that we are not going for QB or RT this year.
We have 11 picks. Trade to have more in 2-3 yet less overall
Say, 6 between #6 and the end if the 5th round, instead of 11, including two in round 2 as opposed to only 1. Moving up within 4 and 5 if possible.
Then add a free agent or two.
That makes your list draftable with quality all the way down in no particular order:
DT,DL,OLB,ILB,FS,SS
Free agency - best center available
I'm not ok with any of those things. He failed miserably in year one IMO. I think he felt he could make us competitive his first year. Like Reese he thinks he's smarter than everyone else boy neither of them are. Now we're going to be the doormat of the nfl east until we find a franchise qb while obj and Barkley got older and more banged up.
Trading away a young starting CN during a rebuild makes little sense. Snacks is older so that would be understandable if we got more for him but trading him for a pick that the odds say probably won't make the team is idiodic.
Why?
You think Jets are trading down or Oakland will take a QB?
I'm not sure Mayock had Haskins that high.
24
27
35
66
Assuming we stick at 6 and draft a great, great DT, adding any one of those 24-27-35 would probably land us a legitimate or better pass rusher or ILB.
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We have plenty if trade fodder and raiders may be in building mode.
I personally like what The Getts has done visa vis role players on both sides.
We may be ready to add some great ones.
6
(24/27 or 35)
37
All used on front 7, given apparent type of supply this year, radically changes the team
I don’t think he’s a fool and we know he’s very experienced, but he is competing against the best football evaluators. I am not convinced we have an edge.
The Getts may not be a genius, but he has the right idea for us, right now, on this team (trenches, lines, pass rush) works hard, and seems to be humble enough to learn from his mistakes.
I'll take it.
We will see this year....
How you can say he had a good free agency is beyond me.....name one free agent that was a head turner?
A lot of his guys were one year fillers, which was to be expected with our cap space...but did the guys he brought in make us forget the guys he let go? In some cases yes, some no....the only guy he brought to this defense that made some plays, was Ogletree......not a bad deal for a cap hit of 4.75M for 2018, but not a good deal for 2019 at 11.75M.....
And who were the free agent head turners on Offense? While Brown fell into his lap, he is not the answer at RG....he is just better than what we had.....a very low bar to jump....
DG has to do a lot better putting together this roster this year.....last year was to clean house.....this year is to make important decisions on OV, Jenkins, Collins, Eli, Ellison, Martin, etc., and make this a better team.....
I guess Hernandez and Hill suck. Who knew. Nice analogy though.
There is a huge gray cloud floating over Jints Central about the Barkley vs QB decision. That still needs to play out. And that could get further complicated if we use the #6 pick this year on a QB. Then that selection will be compared to the players we passed on to select Barkley.
This is why last year's biggest off-season decision was the selection of a GM. It was a watershed moment to select the person to bridge this organization from one legacy to the next.
If could be an enormous setback if Ernie got this wrong...