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Anyone think Bellichick uses some strategy from XXV

bradshaw44 : 1/19/2019 9:59 am
To slow down the chiefs? I was talking with a buddy today and he said he doesn’t think the Pats can slow down the high powered chiefs offense. Which made me think about a high powered offense with a shifty QB and tons of weapons BB was tasked with slowing down in the past. He basically sent everyone into coverage and dared Thomas to beat the Giants on the ground. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries something like that tomorrow.

Anyone think he may steal some looks from XXV tomorrow? Or has the game changed so dramatically that that plan wouldn’t be affective to date?

Sorry, I’m not a huge X’s and O’s Guy. My conversation just happened to get me thinking about XXV.
Absolutely  
dep026 : 1/19/2019 10:00 am : link
they will take away Kelce and Hill. make Damian Williams beat him and you will see a lot of Michel and short passes.

Wont be surprised if we see Gronk get a expanded role.
Yeah  
Eli Wilson : 1/19/2019 10:03 am : link
I'd be surprised if Hill and Kelce have big games. I would think his strategy would be to keep those two quiet and let others beat them.

Most important factor is to tackle well and hit them hard. At least that was the strategy in XXV.
I’d like to think that  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/19/2019 10:03 am : link
Andy Reid is smarter than Marv Levy and runs the ball more than 25 times.

Let’s face it, if the Bills run the ball more the Giants lose
RE: I’d like to think that  
bradshaw44 : 1/19/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14268277 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Andy Reid is smarter than Marv Levy and runs the ball more than 25 times.

Let’s face it, if the Bills run the ball more the Giants lose


Isn’t Andy Reid kind of the Marv Levy of his time?
You're going to rely on DamianWilliams  
dep026 : 1/19/2019 10:07 am : link
to beat the Pats?

Good luck.
Would help to have the 1990 Giants defense  
Dave in PA : 1/19/2019 10:07 am : link
To pull that off
Naaa  
Beer Man : 1/19/2019 10:08 am : link
He'll just pull one of his jedi mind-tricks
I have 0 confidence  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/19/2019 10:20 am : link
That Andy Reid will outcoach Bellichick. Chiefs have more talent but it won’t matter.
RE: I’d like to think that  
JohnB : 1/19/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14268277 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Andy Reid is smarter than Marv Levy and runs the ball more than 25 times.

Let’s face it, if the Bills run the ball more the Giants lose


Then you weren't around for the game. Belichick WANTED the Bills to run the ball. The more they ran, the better the Giants chances are to winning. Go back and look....
Low score helps Pats.  
CT Charlie : 1/19/2019 10:50 am : link
That's probably what we'll see.
the pats don't have anyone who can run with hill  
GiantsFan84 : 1/19/2019 10:53 am : link
which he proved the last two times they played them. they can't sell out to stop both hill and kelce. it will be a pick your poison.

this will be another high scoring affair
RE: RE: I’d like to think that  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/19/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14268309 JohnB said:
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In comment 14268277 McNally's_Nuts said:


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Andy Reid is smarter than Marv Levy and runs the ball more than 25 times.

Let’s face it, if the Bills run the ball more the Giants lose



Then you weren't around for the game. Belichick WANTED the Bills to run the ball. The more they ran, the better the Giants chances are to winning. Go back and look....


Belicheck wanted them to run for 100 yards. I wasn’t around but I’ve read about the game.

The Giants dared the Bills to run it often, which they didn’t. If Levy realized that the Giants were selling out for the pass earlier, the Bills would have likely won. Intact, I’m almost positive a player says that in Leonard Marshall’s book “When the Cheering Stops”
RE: You're going to rely on DamianWilliams  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/19/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14268281 dep026 said:
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to beat the Pats?

Good luck.


Do the Patriots have the 1990 Giants defense?

I think this should be a really good game and I’m looking forward to it
Bellichick makes you play left handed.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/19/2019 11:29 am : link
This has been known forever now.
That Bills offense did score  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/19/2019 11:43 am : link
19 minutes & only had the ball for just under a tick of 20 minutes.

That Giants offense deserves a ton of credit for keeping Kelly, Thomas, Reed, & the Bills off the field
RE: RE: RE: I’d like to think that  
JohnB : 1/19/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14268326 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 14268277 McNally's_Nuts said:


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Andy Reid is smarter than Marv Levy and runs the ball more than 25 times.

Let’s face it, if the Bills run the ball more the Giants lose



Then you weren't around for the game. Belichick WANTED the Bills to run the ball. The more they ran, the better the Giants chances are to winning. Go back and look....



Belicheck wanted them to run for 100 yards. I wasn’t around but I’ve read about the game.

The Giants dared the Bills to run it often, which they didn’t. If Levy realized that the Giants were selling out for the pass earlier, the Bills would have likely won. Intact, I’m almost positive a player says that in Leonard Marshall’s book “When the Cheering Stops”


Read this article. It was the game plan going in and it was based upon the Bills running the ball instead of passing it. More running meant less passing and it was the passing game that could win the game for the Bills.


Belichick's plan - ( New Window )
I would assume BB game plan for Chiefs  
Jimmy Googs : 1/19/2019 12:13 pm : link
will be #1 to keep Mahomes in pocket and #2 to put heavy dose of coverage on Hill.

Kelce making plays all the way down the field, all game long, is something I would be willing to risk...
Even though it was still a Cruz and Nicks game  
arniefez : 1/19/2019 12:34 pm : link
the Pats couldn't stop them. Knowing what to do is different than doing it. I think Belichick is going to try and use some strategy from Super Bowl 25. But the Giants offensive game plan more than their defensive game plan. KC can't score on offense if they don't have the ball. Neither could the Bills.
I personally think what BB did against the Bills in 90  
Dr. D : 1/19/2019 12:36 pm : link
was a little over-rated (and that's not to take anything away from him and the Giants D).

But to me, it was the Giants offense, largely the OL (and a few great individual plays by guys like Ingram and OJ) that allowed the Giants to have an all time record 41 minutes TOP.

The Bills scored a point per minute of TOP. Fortunately they only had the ball for 19 minutes (and not 30 seconds more - to get Norwood into his range).
RE: That Bills offense did score  
Dr. D : 1/19/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14268363 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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19 minutes & only had the ball for just under a tick of 20 minutes.

That Giants offense deserves a ton of credit for keeping Kelly, Thomas, Reed, & the Bills off the field

Just noticed, you beat me to it.
The Chiefs rely  
Doomster : 1/19/2019 12:54 pm : link
on speed.....weather conditions/footing may negate that....

If I have a week to plan, do I have more faith in BB or Reid?

BB of course.....but no matter how much you plan, your team has to execute it.....and field conditions may throw both plans out the window...
AS for Hill,  
Doomster : 1/19/2019 12:58 pm : link
BB I think will disguise a defense that makes him look open when he isn't......

As for Mahonnes, it will be colder and windier(is there such a word?), and he's a rookie.....he has to limit any mistakes he makes....

Pats have trouble with running QB's, and Mahonnes has to take advantage of it...
Mahomes was terrific this year, but he’s no Jim Kelly. Not  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2019 2:05 pm : link
quite yet, anyway. The Bills were literally, an unstoppable juggernaut with terrific offensive weapons and a great OL..

KC had a very good year. They are not the unstoppable Bills
How are the chiefs  
WillVAB : 1/19/2019 2:46 pm : link
Going to slow down the Pats? Their defense has been garbage all year.

The Pats only need more stops than the Chiefs, they don’t have to slow them down or shut them down.
Except that the punishment the Giants gave the Bills receivers  
Bramton1 : 1/19/2019 2:47 pm : link
would draw a ton of 15 yard penalties these days.
The Pat's DB's wont be able to hit  
JohnF : 1/19/2019 2:47 pm : link
like the Giants DB did in that Super Bowl (rules change after Indy's GM Bill Polian whined to the NFL about what Bill did to Peyton Manning's WR's). If that SuperBowl was today, the field would have been littered with yellow flags.

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"Every time Andre Reed went to catch a pass, he was getting hit," Marshall recalled. "And he was getting hit hard. And he was getting hit from everybody."

How did Belichick go about getting his Giants to get rough with Reed? Asked that question, Walls just laughed.

"Hey man, this is the Giants. We were the No. 1 defense. It didn't take much stress," Walls said. "OK, we've got to hit Andre Reed. Cool! We'd love to! All of us would love to hit Andre Reed."

Walls said a tenet of the Belichick defense — in Super Bowl XXV and always — is that the defenders disrupt the routes and timing of the receivers and he expects that to be the case on Sunday.

"You will not get a free release," Walls said. "You will not have free reign. And you will have your head on a swivel, no matter what."


HOODWINKED: Bill Belichick has a Super history of slowing high-octane offenses
RE: I personally think what BB did against the Bills in 90  
bw in dc : 1/19/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14268394 Dr. D said:
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was a little over-rated (and that's not to take anything away from him and the Giants D).

But to me, it was the Giants offense, largely the OL (and a few great individual plays by guys like Ingram and OJ) that allowed the Giants to have an all time record 41 minutes TOP.

The Bills scored a point per minute of TOP. Fortunately they only had the ball for 19 minutes (and not 30 seconds more - to get Norwood into his range).


I get you point. It was a combination of both - playing keep away (Erhardt) and beating the piss out of Bills receivers and conceding the run (Belichick).

It took an incredible collection of players and coaches, in less than a week, to organize the plan and then execute it.

RE: RE: I personally think what BB did against the Bills in 90  
Big Blue '56 : 1/19/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14268480 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14268394 Dr. D said:


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was a little over-rated (and that's not to take anything away from him and the Giants D).

But to me, it was the Giants offense, largely the OL (and a few great individual plays by guys like Ingram and OJ) that allowed the Giants to have an all time record 41 minutes TOP.

The Bills scored a point per minute of TOP. Fortunately they only had the ball for 19 minutes (and not 30 seconds more - to get Norwood into his range).



I get you point. It was a combination of both - playing keep away (Erhardt) and beating the piss out of Bills receivers and conceding the run (Belichick).

It took an incredible collection of players and coaches, in less than a week, to organize the plan and then execute it.


Two of the best back to back playoff games ever. Perhaps only Rivaled by -23 degrees game and SB XLII
bw in DC  
Dr. D : 1/19/2019 4:24 pm : link
of course it's a team game, especially in the SB. I just think the D got too much credit in that one and the O got WAY too little.

Consider that the Bills marched right down the field on the last drive. They just barely ran out of time to get Norwood into his range (on natural turf - probably a majority of kickers would make that these days, regardless of turf type).

I was at the stadium when the team buses arrived after the game. Everybody, or almost everybody was chanting DEFENSE! DEFENSE! I was like a lone wolf in the crowd chanting OFFENSE...
I don't think you can't take away both...  
BillKo : 1/19/2019 5:04 pm : link
..Kelce and Hill without sacrificing a lot. The #2 WR for the Chiefs (Watkins?) is going to be huge, though. And the running back....don't sleep on him because he's performed really well and can do damage if the Pats focus too much on Kelce AND Hill.

I wouldn't expect Reid to outcoach BB on game day, but I do expect him to come up with a really good game plan.

As far as defending the Pats, take away the dump off crap that was gifted to Brady last week. Play tight and make Brady throw it down the field.......and most of all, get pressure.

If so, you will be able to tell early on in game.  
wgenesis123 : 1/19/2019 5:20 pm : link
The Giants in XXV did everything they could on offense to keep the clock running from the opening bell. Run the offense like there is 4 minutes left in the game and you have the lead. Snap the ball inside 5 seconds, run the ball, stay inbounds, keep the clock running, get first downs and do it some more. The Patriots can do this with their short passing game too!
I'm not sure it's possible to take Hill away  
Big Rick in FL : 1/19/2019 6:44 pm : link
At least for the Pats anyway. They don't have the speed to matchup with him. Last time they played he had 142 yards and 3 TDs.

BB56 I don't think you are giving Mahomes & the Chiefs offense enough credit. The Chiefs scored 107 more points this year then any year the Bills have ever played. Also Mahomes became only the 3rd QB to throw for 50 TDs in a season. Kelly's most was 33. Yeah I know the game is entirely different now, but the Chiefs/Mahomes blew Kelly/Bills numbers completely out of the water.



RE: Mahomes was terrific this year, but he’s no Jim Kelly. Not  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/19/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14268447 Big Blue '56 said:
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quite yet, anyway. The Bills were literally, an unstoppable juggernaut with terrific offensive weapons and a great OL..

KC had a very good year. They are not the unstoppable Bills

That team was stacked with with HoF'ers. One tremendous plus was we had a good match up of Jumbo versus Bruce Smith.
RE: bw in DC  
bw in dc : 1/19/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14268487 Dr. D said:
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of course it's a team game, especially in the SB. I just think the D got too much credit in that one and the O got WAY too little.



I could have sworn I basically said that. And agreed with your point.

I believe in the "Two Bills", or maybe another Giants docu, that Parcells says the first thing he brought up on the plane ride from San Fran was that they needed to take the air out of the ball...
JohnF is 100% right  
Sneakers O'toole : 1/19/2019 8:42 pm : link
you couldn't play that game today the same way under current rules.
The pick plays  
allstarjim : 1/19/2019 9:57 pm : link
And zone reads they have today...I think New England is going to have a very difficult time with KC.
we likely see the Pats  
mdc1 : 1/19/2019 10:16 pm : link
humbled tomorrow although a good game for a while. The only thing in the Pats favor is Reid choke tendency.
If you are telling me KC has the ball for only 19 mins  
twostepgiants : 1/20/2019 5:26 am : link
Then yes I will predict a Pats win
He will take away the run...  
silverfox : 1/20/2019 10:41 am : link
...and force the Messiah to beat him in the air.
The key to that plan was maximum physicality  
JonC : 1/20/2019 11:34 am : link
and punishing the Bills, not seeing this Patriots defense as capable of that level.
Looks like he did in the 1st half  
kes722 : 1/21/2019 2:02 am : link
2nd half them seemed to get away from what was working
Not to take  
mattyblue : 1/21/2019 4:50 am : link
anything away from the win but it was a bit of an obvious strategy to play ball control football. Little did Bill know he could have Edelman fun across the field all day completely open.
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