Jon Halapio - Gettleman & Shurmur speaks highly of him. Incentive laced 1 yr minimal guarantee
JAMON BROWN - OL played better keep him should be very reasonable and cap friendly. 3 yr deal cap friendly
Corey Coleman - A nice incentive laced contract if beat out the others for #2 - Depth 2 yr deal (mutual) so he can get paid as he performs or cut if he does not.
Eli Penny - He did well when in but really did not play much @ FB ... ST play was avg at best. Incentive laced 1 yr minimal deal
LANDON COLLINS - A decent deal will be made
Special Teams - Nice Improvement!
Aldrick Rosas - He earned it. 3 yr deal.
RUSSELL SHEPARD 2 yr deal. ST was good. He is #3 in a pinch Wr depth wise, ideally #4 on the depth chart.
Antonio Hamilton - Heals plays ST and CB depth. 1 yr minimal (cut in camp if need be)
CODY LATIMER - 50/50 on him can he get into the WR rotation and produce consistently. Or at least be dual threat for KR/PR depth? Incentive laced 1 yr minimal guarantee
Get these positions (player) in FA
RT - Daryl Williams or Bobbie Massie
FS - Tyrann Mathieu or Marcus Joyner
QB - Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick or Teddy Bridgewater - 2 yr deal. 1st yr backup money /w incentives (beat out Eli make $$$ - come in due to any various reasons do well make $$$); 2nd yr 12-15 mil /w incentives able to make 15 to 20 if they play like a legit starting QB
Also to be flexible in the draft and go BPA easily QB, OL, DL or LB. Even a trade down a few spots at most becomes and option.
I went with guys that will take 2 yr deals that will gamble and bet on themselves. If they do well we make a decision if not we go with whatever youth movement plan we decided upon....this gives up options for 2019,2020 and even 2021 if it comes to that ...
Free Agency 2019- over the top at the Center position. The big money.
Draft. Play in nto the stregth on the draft (DL broadly and to a lesser extent OLB) and draft Defense only.
.Stick at pick 6.
Trade the extra and some of original 4,5,6,7 picks to Garner additional 2nd and 3rd rounders.
2020
2020 free agency. Offensive missing pieces and specialists.
2020 draft:
Trade the house to move up for a QB.
Coleman is a RFA - Might make sense to tender and not have to worry about incentives.
I don't see them signing Mathieu although safety is one of the bigger needs.
QB's. For these jokers to sign a 2 year deal, there would probably be a good signing bonus (in relation). I don't want to end up paying a Qb not on my team in 2020.
Coleman is a RFA - Might make sense to tender and not have to worry about incentives.
I don't see them signing Mathieu although safety is one of the bigger needs.
QB's. For these jokers to sign a 2 year deal, there would probably be a good signing bonus (in relation). I don't want to end up paying a Qb not on my team in 2020.
I get that but even if we got QB this year in the draft we need a vet injury kid needs a little more time ... whoever we sign there deal is done in 2021.
Free Agency 2019- over the top at the Center position. The big money.
Draft. Play in nto the stregth on the draft (DL broadly and to a lesser extent OLB) and draft Defense only.
.Stick at pick 6.
Trade the extra and some of original 4,5,6,7 picks to Garner additional 2nd and 3rd rounders.
2020
2020 free agency. Offensive missing pieces and specialists.
2020 draft:
Trade the house to move up for a QB.
I would LOVE to do that and get Deiter at the bottom of the 1st beginning of the 2nd. We just dont have the goods unless we trade down from 6th.
Jamon Brown is going to hit the FA market. He's not going to sign with us before that unless we blow him away with an offer and that wouldn't be smart. Getting a good RT and a good FS plus signing Collins is asking a awful lot.
Not someone expensive, but maybe someone like Devin Funchess if he doesn't get a lot of attention.
1/26/19, 11:04 AM
#Bears announced a four-year extension for right tackle Bobby Massie. All five starting OL are now under contract for next season. It will be longer once Cody Whitehair receives his own extension
Hopefully Halapio is not Bobby Hart redux by a Giants management team (these are the same guys who signed Omameh). Again, he could be real, but there was nothing coming out to suggest he would have an NFL future.
Resign Coleman, Halapio, Edwards, Deossie, Brown, Wynn, Collins
Draft
1.) whichever QB they like best even if they have to use a pick next year to trade up. (Haskins, Lock, Murray)
2.) Devin. Bush LB Mich
4.) Best avail OG (benzschawel, dieter, cotton)
4.) Michael Jackson CB Mia
5.) edge rusher
5.) OL
So who is the backup behind Eli, that can come in for 1 to 6 games? Luletta??? All the guys I named basically take backup money in 2019 and bet on beating a 2019 pick in 2020 camp for the starter job and then move on or force us into signing an extension ... either way they get a legit shot at starting with a team that has some weapons and an improved OL. Also there is the chance that Eli falters and a switch is made the PR blow back will not be the same this time.
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Tyrod isn't that good. Bridewater has proven nothing since his brutal injury. Fitzmagic? No thanks.
So who is the backup behind Eli, that can come in for 1 to 6 games? Luletta??? All the guys I named basically take backup money in 2019 and bet on beating a 2019 pick in 2020 camp for the starter job and then move on or force us into signing an extension ... either way they get a legit shot at starting with a team that has some weapons and an improved OL. Also there is the chance that Eli falters and a switch is made the PR blow back will not be the same this time.
Bridgwater was already released once by Shurmur when the latter was OC in Minnesota. I doubt he'll sign here with Eli still the undisputed starter.
I'm for re-signing Geno Smith. He already knows the players, played well enough with Engram/Shepherd, and if he fails we can compete for the 2020 #1 pick.
Otherwise, just draft a rookie.
If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.
If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.
If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.
If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.
Mullens is not a rookie nor did he start for SF as a rookie.
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any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.
If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.
If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.
Mullens is not a rookie nor did he start for SF as a rookie.
Clearly I didn't mean specifically Mullens. I meant a player "like" Mullens who fits the Giants system. Maybe it's Lauletta in year 2 (for him).
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any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.
If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.
If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.
Mullens is not a rookie nor did he start for SF as a rookie.
Clearly I didn't mean specifically Mullens. I meant a player "like" Mullens who fits the Giants. Maybe it's Lauletta in year 2 (for him).
Lauletta isn't good enough and would be beaten out if this team signed Foles, Geno, Tanne, etc. What's the point in playing him?
If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.
If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.
I agree, but I think there will be guys willing to take low money in 2019 for a chance to truly compete in 2020 against a rookie. Especially for a team that needs to be serious about benching the current starter if it does not go well in 2019. We are a perfect situation for a bet on yourself FA QB. Eli as the starter is no longer a slam dunk ... it is now but not with those guys named ... yup they all have warts if they did not we'd have no chance at them.
Bridgwater was already released once by Shurmur when the latter was OC in Minnesota. I doubt he'll sign here with Eli still the undisputed starter.
I'm for re-signing Geno Smith. He already knows the players, played well enough with Engram/Shepherd, and if he fails we can compete for the 2020 #1 pick.
Otherwise, just draft a rookie. [/quote]
Shurmur had left the Vikings last year well before Bridgewater became a free agent. Read Bridgewater’s Wiki bio. I doubt that Shurmur had anything at all to do with the Vikings decision a year earlier to not pick up Bridgewater’s 5th year option. And who in his right mind would want to play Geno Smith again?
Bridgwater was already released once by Shurmur when the latter was OC in Minnesota. I doubt he'll sign here with Eli still the undisputed starter.
I'm for re-signing Geno Smith. He already knows the players, played well enough with Engram/Shepherd, and if he fails we can compete for the 2020 #1 pick.
Otherwise, just draft a rookie.
Shurmur had left the Vikings last year well before Bridgewater became a free agent. Read Bridgewater’s Wiki bio. I doubt that Shurmur had anything at all to do with the Vikings decision a year earlier to not pick up Bridgewater’s 5th year option. And who in his right mind would want to play Geno Smith again? [/quote]
I'm pretty sure Shurmur coached Keenum in 2017 and both Bridgewater and Shurmur left the Vikings in 2018. Shurmur's voice was in the conversation with respects to keeping Bridgewater, and the Vikings went in another direction. Bridgewater likely isn't too keen for a repeat. As for Geno, that's just my opinion. It was McAdoo and Mara's too for awhile, and they were on right track regarding QBs including Mahomes.
RT Daryl Williams
CB Bryce Callahan
Edge Preston Smith
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any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.
If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.
If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.
I agree, but I think there will be guys willing to take low money in 2019 for a chance to truly compete in 2020 against a rookie. Especially for a team that needs to be serious about benching the current starter if it does not go well in 2019. We are a perfect situation for a bet on yourself FA QB. Eli as the starter is no longer a slam dunk ... it is now but not with those guys named ... yup they all have warts if they did not we'd have no chance at them.
Low money? Do you know how much shitty Tyrod made this year?
The FA QB route is terrible.
The play is a QB at 6 if the FO is sold on him (which I doubt) or ride Eli and reevaluate in 20.
The focus of this off-season needs to be the OL and front 7 on defense — pass rush in particular.
RT Daryl Williams or Donovan Smith plus Cedric Ogbuehi as a potential reclamation project
OLB Za'Darius Smith or Preston Smith
But if we sign him and play him we will suck enough to draft a qb high in 2020.
I mean...wtf
Trade the extra and some of original 4,5,6,7 picks to Garner additional 2nd and 3rd rounders.
There is no way this will happen. Nobody is giving you any 2nd's for this.
If you were to do this - which Gmen won't- Siemian should be cheap enough.
Resign Coleman, Halapio, Edwards, Deossie, Brown, Wynn, Collins
Draft
1.) whichever QB they like best even if they have to use a pick next year to trade up. (Haskins, Lock, Murray)
2.) Devin. Bush LB Mich
4.) Best avail OG (benzschawel, dieter, cotton)
4.) Michael Jackson CB Mia
5.) edge rusher
5.) OL
That said, there are soooo supposed many DLs, there might be a "2000" value at DL in 2, due to so damn many of them this year. Or...the OLB.
If we stick at 6 and 38 then use all other picks to move up, ending up with only 5 picks say, but sequentially 3,4,5 being higher ones, then by all means, an all D draft is possible, because your getting playmakers.
If there is another blue goose. Not sure if I would do that though.
But, if so, D with both anyway.
That said, there are soooo supposed many DLs, there might be a "2000" value at DL in 2, due to so damn many of them this year. Or...the OLB.
You know I prefer going with the QB if the Gmen like him enough. But if they don't liek a QB - hwo about this-- what do you htink regarding the 1st tow players they choose on defense?
First pick with their 6th Pick--
Option 1 the best option Draft Oliver with the 6th pick
Option 2 2ndbest option Draft Ferrell with the 6th pick
2nd round pick along with a random combo of other 4ths and 5ths-
Option 1 trade up to select Devin White
Option 2 trade up to select Jachai Polite
There is still Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, and Donovan Smith.
There is still Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, and Donovan Smith.
I doubt Donovan Smith would accept a move to the right side and he's not going to replace Solder.
Cameron Fleming or Jake Fischer are the level of guys the Giants might target for RT if they can't land James or Williams, who's coming off injury and has that risk.