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MotownGIANTS : 1/26/2019 9:33 am
Jon Halapio - Gettleman & Shurmur speaks highly of him. Incentive laced 1 yr minimal guarantee

JAMON BROWN - OL played better keep him should be very reasonable and cap friendly. 3 yr deal cap friendly

Corey Coleman - A nice incentive laced contract if beat out the others for #2 - Depth 2 yr deal (mutual) so he can get paid as he performs or cut if he does not.

Eli Penny - He did well when in but really did not play much @ FB ... ST play was avg at best. Incentive laced 1 yr minimal deal

LANDON COLLINS - A decent deal will be made

Special Teams - Nice Improvement!

Aldrick Rosas - He earned it. 3 yr deal.

RUSSELL SHEPARD 2 yr deal. ST was good. He is #3 in a pinch Wr depth wise, ideally #4 on the depth chart.

Antonio Hamilton - Heals plays ST and CB depth. 1 yr minimal (cut in camp if need be)

CODY LATIMER - 50/50 on him can he get into the WR rotation and produce consistently. Or at least be dual threat for KR/PR depth? Incentive laced 1 yr minimal guarantee

Get these positions (player) in FA
RT - Daryl Williams or Bobbie Massie
FS - Tyrann Mathieu or Marcus Joyner
QB - Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick or Teddy Bridgewater - 2 yr deal. 1st yr backup money /w incentives (beat out Eli make $$$ - come in due to any various reasons do well make $$$); 2nd yr 12-15 mil /w incentives able to make 15 to 20 if they play like a legit starting QB

Also to be flexible in the draft and go BPA easily QB, OL, DL or LB. Even a trade down a few spots at most becomes and option.
qb  
jurban : 1/26/2019 9:38 am : link
do not any of them that you mentioned....bridgewater is an accident waiting to happen
Three FA I'd love to see the Giants sign are  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/26/2019 9:41 am : link
Daryl Williams, T.Mathieu and KJ Wright.
RE: qb  
MotownGIANTS : 1/26/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14276850 jurban said:
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do not any of them that you mentioned....bridgewater is an accident waiting to happen


I went with guys that will take 2 yr deals that will gamble and bet on themselves. If they do well we make a decision if not we go with whatever youth movement plan we decided upon....this gives up options for 2019,2020 and even 2021 if it comes to that ...
free agents  
jurban : 1/26/2019 9:46 am : link
id take that trifecta
Sounds like a patch up for next season.  
idiotsavant : 1/26/2019 9:56 am : link
Mines a two year plan:

Free Agency 2019- over the top at the Center position. The big money.

Draft. Play in nto the stregth on the draft (DL broadly and to a lesser extent OLB) and draft Defense only.
.Stick at pick 6.

Trade the extra and some of original 4,5,6,7 picks to Garner additional 2nd and 3rd rounders.

2020

2020 free agency. Offensive missing pieces and specialists.

2020 draft:

Trade the house to move up for a QB.
Some flaws  
SLIM_ : 1/26/2019 10:09 am : link
Penny is an ERFA - no reason to sign him to an incentive laden deal.


Coleman is a RFA - Might make sense to tender and not have to worry about incentives.


I don't see them signing Mathieu although safety is one of the bigger needs.

QB's. For these jokers to sign a 2 year deal, there would probably be a good signing bonus (in relation). I don't want to end up paying a Qb not on my team in 2020.

RE: Some flaws  
MotownGIANTS : 1/26/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14276880 SLIM_ said:
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Penny is an ERFA - no reason to sign him to an incentive laden deal.


Coleman is a RFA - Might make sense to tender and not have to worry about incentives.


I don't see them signing Mathieu although safety is one of the bigger needs.

QB's. For these jokers to sign a 2 year deal, there would probably be a good signing bonus (in relation). I don't want to end up paying a Qb not on my team in 2020.


I get that but even if we got QB this year in the draft we need a vet injury kid needs a little more time ... whoever we sign there deal is done in 2021.
RE: Sounds like a patch up for next season.  
MotownGIANTS : 1/26/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14276868 idiotsavant said:
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Mines a two year plan:

Free Agency 2019- over the top at the Center position. The big money.

Draft. Play in nto the stregth on the draft (DL broadly and to a lesser extent OLB) and draft Defense only.
.Stick at pick 6.

Trade the extra and some of original 4,5,6,7 picks to Garner additional 2nd and 3rd rounders.

2020

2020 free agency. Offensive missing pieces and specialists.

2020 draft:

Trade the house to move up for a QB.



I would LOVE to do that and get Deiter at the bottom of the 1st beginning of the 2nd. We just dont have the goods unless we trade down from 6th.
The thing  
g56blue10 : 1/26/2019 10:22 am : link
I don’t get is why everyone keeps saying cut Eli and sign stop gap QB. With the dead money from cutting Ella and the contract on another QB we will still have a cap hit about the same as we have if we just keep Eli. It makes no sense to do
I hope the team  
Beer Man : 1/26/2019 10:27 am : link
also resigns Edwards. I thought he played well in the DL rotation, and if the price is right would be good in that role going forward.
I don't think getting more then 1 top FA is likely  
BillT : 1/26/2019 10:33 am : link
There are too many teams with money and too few top FAs. We're going to be in the bottom half of the league cap wise. We'll have enough space but so will 20 or so other teams. Check the FA list. Are there really 20 top FAs?

Jamon Brown is going to hit the FA market. He's not going to sign with us before that unless we blow him away with an offer and that wouldn't be smart. Getting a good RT and a good FS plus signing Collins is asking a awful lot.
What about Kerry Wynn?  
mittenedman : 1/26/2019 10:40 am : link
I see him as a key re-sign. Special teams and DL depth.
I'd keep both  
pjcas18 : 1/26/2019 10:44 am : link
Coleman and Latimer if they were affordable, but I'd still try and bring in a veteran #2 WR.

Not someone expensive, but maybe someone like Devin Funchess if he doesn't get a lot of attention.

I dont think they can retain Collins and add one of the top FS  
j_rud : 1/26/2019 10:47 am : link
Youre talking 16-20 mill per year between the two of them. I believe its an either/or situation, and Id definitely lean FS. Collins looked like a franchise player in 2016 and that guy would've been worth 10 mill per. 17 and 18 not so much. I wouldnt exactly hate it if they brought him back at the 8-11 million range, but it would be a pretty sizeable risk to bank on him returning to form. Feels like the kind of gamble that a rebuilding team should avoid.
One RT off the market today  
Defenderdawg : 1/26/2019 11:16 am : link
Adam Jahns (@adamjahns)
1/26/19, 11:04 AM
#Bears announced a four-year extension for right tackle Bobby Massie. All five starting OL are now under contract for next season. It will be longer once Cody Whitehair receives his own extension
Hate the idea of re-signing Landon Collins  
Bob in Newburgh : 1/26/2019 11:24 am : link
Absolutely stinks at duties comprising half of his job description. Kind of hard to make up for deficiency with a couple of big plays in run defense.

Hopefully Halapio is not Bobby Hart redux by a Giants management team (these are the same guys who signed Omameh). Again, he could be real, but there was nothing coming out to suggest he would have an NFL future.
....  
Toth029 : 1/26/2019 11:40 am : link
Tyrod isn't that good. Bridewater has proven nothing since his brutal injury. Fitzmagic? No thanks.

My offseason  
Giantfootball025 : 1/26/2019 12:01 pm : link
Sign Earl Thomas and RT Williams.

Resign Coleman, Halapio, Edwards, Deossie, Brown, Wynn, Collins

Draft
1.) whichever QB they like best even if they have to use a pick next year to trade up. (Haskins, Lock, Murray)

2.) Devin. Bush LB Mich

4.) Best avail OG (benzschawel, dieter, cotton)

4.) Michael Jackson CB Mia

5.) edge rusher

5.) OL

Collins won't sign  
elgoman : 1/26/2019 12:12 pm : link
Collins will have to be franchise tagged because he won't sign here without rookie or a good (or young) veteran. Fitzpatrick is not neither young nor good, and NFL players know it.
RE: ....  
MotownGIANTS : 1/26/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14276969 Toth029 said:
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Tyrod isn't that good. Bridewater has proven nothing since his brutal injury. Fitzmagic? No thanks.


So who is the backup behind Eli, that can come in for 1 to 6 games? Luletta??? All the guys I named basically take backup money in 2019 and bet on beating a 2019 pick in 2020 camp for the starter job and then move on or force us into signing an extension ... either way they get a legit shot at starting with a team that has some weapons and an improved OL. Also there is the chance that Eli falters and a switch is made the PR blow back will not be the same this time.
RE: RE: ....  
elgoman : 1/26/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14276996 MotownGIANTS said:
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Tyrod isn't that good. Bridewater has proven nothing since his brutal injury. Fitzmagic? No thanks.




So who is the backup behind Eli, that can come in for 1 to 6 games? Luletta??? All the guys I named basically take backup money in 2019 and bet on beating a 2019 pick in 2020 camp for the starter job and then move on or force us into signing an extension ... either way they get a legit shot at starting with a team that has some weapons and an improved OL. Also there is the chance that Eli falters and a switch is made the PR blow back will not be the same this time.


Bridgwater was already released once by Shurmur when the latter was OC in Minnesota. I doubt he'll sign here with Eli still the undisputed starter.

I'm for re-signing Geno Smith. He already knows the players, played well enough with Engram/Shepherd, and if he fails we can compete for the 2020 #1 pick.

Otherwise, just draft a rookie.
It's unlikely  
pjcas18 : 1/26/2019 12:27 pm : link
any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.

If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.

If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.
RE: It's unlikely  
elgoman : 1/26/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14277010 pjcas18 said:
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any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.

If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.

If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.


Mullens is not a rookie nor did he start for SF as a rookie.
RE: RE: It's unlikely  
pjcas18 : 1/26/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14277020 elgoman said:
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any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.

If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.

If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.



Mullens is not a rookie nor did he start for SF as a rookie.


Clearly I didn't mean specifically Mullens. I meant a player "like" Mullens who fits the Giants system. Maybe it's Lauletta in year 2 (for him).
RE: RE: RE: It's unlikely  
elgoman : 1/26/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14277024 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14277020 elgoman said:


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In comment 14277010 pjcas18 said:


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any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.

If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.

If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.



Mullens is not a rookie nor did he start for SF as a rookie.



Clearly I didn't mean specifically Mullens. I meant a player "like" Mullens who fits the Giants. Maybe it's Lauletta in year 2 (for him).


Lauletta isn't good enough and would be beaten out if this team signed Foles, Geno, Tanne, etc. What's the point in playing him?
RE: It's unlikely  
MotownGIANTS : 1/26/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14277010 pjcas18 said:
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any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.

If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.

If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.


I agree, but I think there will be guys willing to take low money in 2019 for a chance to truly compete in 2020 against a rookie. Especially for a team that needs to be serious about benching the current starter if it does not go well in 2019. We are a perfect situation for a bet on yourself FA QB. Eli as the starter is no longer a slam dunk ... it is now but not with those guys named ... yup they all have warts if they did not we'd have no chance at them.
RE: RE: RE: ....  
Ivan15 : 1/26/2019 1:40 pm : link

Bridgwater was already released once by Shurmur when the latter was OC in Minnesota. I doubt he'll sign here with Eli still the undisputed starter.

I'm for re-signing Geno Smith. He already knows the players, played well enough with Engram/Shepherd, and if he fails we can compete for the 2020 #1 pick.

Otherwise, just draft a rookie. [/quote]

Shurmur had left the Vikings last year well before Bridgewater became a free agent. Read Bridgewater’s Wiki bio. I doubt that Shurmur had anything at all to do with the Vikings decision a year earlier to not pick up Bridgewater’s 5th year option. And who in his right mind would want to play Geno Smith again?
RE: RE: RE: RE: ....  
elgoman : 1/26/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14277071 Ivan15 said:
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Bridgwater was already released once by Shurmur when the latter was OC in Minnesota. I doubt he'll sign here with Eli still the undisputed starter.

I'm for re-signing Geno Smith. He already knows the players, played well enough with Engram/Shepherd, and if he fails we can compete for the 2020 #1 pick.

Otherwise, just draft a rookie.


Shurmur had left the Vikings last year well before Bridgewater became a free agent. Read Bridgewater’s Wiki bio. I doubt that Shurmur had anything at all to do with the Vikings decision a year earlier to not pick up Bridgewater’s 5th year option. And who in his right mind would want to play Geno Smith again? [/quote]

I'm pretty sure Shurmur coached Keenum in 2017 and both Bridgewater and Shurmur left the Vikings in 2018. Shurmur's voice was in the conversation with respects to keeping Bridgewater, and the Vikings went in another direction. Bridgewater likely isn't too keen for a repeat. As for Geno, that's just my opinion. It was McAdoo and Mara's too for awhile, and they were on right track regarding QBs including Mahomes.
Lmfao @ re sign Geno Smith  
JCin332 : 1/26/2019 3:22 pm : link
...there have been some moronic takes on the QB situation here lately but this one takes the cake...
Must be a full moon  
Bruner4329 : 1/26/2019 3:49 pm : link
This Board is going down fast. It used to be you could have some intelligent discussions.Now people are saying we should sign Taylor, Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater or Geno Smith. Seriously. Anyone with 1/2 a football brain would not suggest anything like that. I rather watch Eli play till 60 than see any of those rejects in a NYG uniform.
Some of my personal preferred free agency targets:  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/26/2019 4:10 pm : link
FS Adrian Amos
RT Daryl Williams
CB Bryce Callahan
Edge Preston Smith
RE: RE: It's unlikely  
WillVAB : 1/26/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14277028 MotownGIANTS said:
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In comment 14277010 pjcas18 said:


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any backup comes off the bench to win 6 games IMO.

If you sign a veteran QB - that's been named - it's to replace Eli as starter, not back Eli up or back a rookie up.

If you have a rookie QB you get a back up like Nick Mullens in SF, someone who knows your system and can step in an run it, but not some high $$ option.



I agree, but I think there will be guys willing to take low money in 2019 for a chance to truly compete in 2020 against a rookie. Especially for a team that needs to be serious about benching the current starter if it does not go well in 2019. We are a perfect situation for a bet on yourself FA QB. Eli as the starter is no longer a slam dunk ... it is now but not with those guys named ... yup they all have warts if they did not we'd have no chance at them.


Low money? Do you know how much shitty Tyrod made this year?

The FA QB route is terrible.

The play is a QB at 6 if the FO is sold on him (which I doubt) or ride Eli and reevaluate in 20.

The focus of this off-season needs to be the OL and front 7 on defense — pass rush in particular.
My wish list in order of preference  
Jay on the Island : 1/26/2019 7:10 pm : link
C Mitch Morse or Nick Easton
RT Daryl Williams or Donovan Smith plus Cedric Ogbuehi as a potential reclamation project
OLB Za'Darius Smith or Preston Smith
RE: Lmfao @ re sign Geno Smith  
djm : 1/26/2019 7:17 pm : link
In comment 14277156 JCin332 said:
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...there have been some moronic takes on the QB situation here lately but this one takes the cake...


But if we sign him and play him we will suck enough to draft a qb high in 2020.

I mean...wtf
RE: Sounds like a patch up for next season.  
giantstock : 1/27/2019 2:21 am : link
In comment 14276868 idiotsavant said:
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Trade the extra and some of original 4,5,6,7 picks to Garner additional 2nd and 3rd rounders.



There is no way this will happen. Nobody is giving you any 2nd's for this.
RE: The thing  
giantstock : 1/27/2019 2:22 am : link
In comment 14276900 g56blue10 said:
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I don’t get is why everyone keeps saying cut Eli and sign stop gap QB. With the dead money from cutting Ella and the contract on another QB we will still have a cap hit about the same as we have if we just keep Eli. It makes no sense to do


If you were to do this - which Gmen won't- Siemian should be cheap enough.
RE: My offseason  
Beer Man : 1/27/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14276987 Giantfootball025 said:
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Sign Earl Thomas and RT Williams.

Resign Coleman, Halapio, Edwards, Deossie, Brown, Wynn, Collins

Draft
1.) whichever QB they like best even if they have to use a pick next year to trade up. (Haskins, Lock, Murray)

2.) Devin. Bush LB Mich

4.) Best avail OG (benzschawel, dieter, cotton)

4.) Michael Jackson CB Mia

5.) edge rusher

5.) OL
Nothing against Deossie, but the team did recently sign a long snapper, which makes one wonder if they believe it is time to move on.
Stock. True, I just looked for the first time  
idiotsavant : 1/27/2019 9:34 am : link
The drop down from mid 2nd (300) to 4th (100s) to 5th (40-30 what have you) makes trading up into even mid 2 very expensive. Even with, what 3 4ths and 3 5ths? Those look more desirable now.

That said, there are soooo supposed many DLs, there might be a "2000" value at DL in 2, due to so damn many of them this year. Or...the OLB.
Obviously if we keep all (11?) Picks  
idiotsavant : 1/27/2019 9:40 am : link
It's much harder to justify an all defense draft. 4th and 5th round there may still be guards as well as safeties.

If we stick at 6 and 38 then use all other picks to move up, ending up with only 5 picks say, but sequentially 3,4,5 being higher ones, then by all means, an all D draft is possible, because your getting playmakers.
What might be more likely could be  
idiotsavant : 1/27/2019 9:45 am : link
Using all the (3?) 5th rounders plus # 38 to move that one up into the first round.

If there is another blue goose. Not sure if I would do that though.

But, if so, D with both anyway.
With Massie  
XBRONX : 1/27/2019 9:47 am : link
signed the free agents worth signing for RT are an awfully short list.
ISAVANT  
giantstock : 1/27/2019 6:47 pm : link
In comment 14277634 idiotsavant said:
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The drop down from mid 2nd (300) to 4th (100s) to 5th (40-30 what have you) makes trading up into even mid 2 very expensive. Even with, what 3 4ths and 3 5ths? Those look more desirable now.

That said, there are soooo supposed many DLs, there might be a "2000" value at DL in 2, due to so damn many of them this year. Or...the OLB.


You know I prefer going with the QB if the Gmen like him enough. But if they don't liek a QB - hwo about this-- what do you htink regarding the 1st tow players they choose on defense?

First pick with their 6th Pick--
Option 1 the best option Draft Oliver with the 6th pick
Option 2 2ndbest option Draft Ferrell with the 6th pick

2nd round pick along with a random combo of other 4ths and 5ths-
Option 1 trade up to select Devin White
Option 2 trade up to select Jachai Polite
RE: With Massie  
Jay on the Island : 1/27/2019 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14277642 XBRONX said:
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signed the free agents worth signing for RT are an awfully short list.

There is still Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, and Donovan Smith.
RE: RE: With Massie  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/6/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14278141 Jay on the Island said:
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There is still Daryl Williams, Ja'Wuan James, and Donovan Smith.


I doubt Donovan Smith would accept a move to the right side and he's not going to replace Solder.

Cameron Fleming or Jake Fischer are the level of guys the Giants might target for RT if they can't land James or Williams, who's coming off injury and has that risk.
Draft  
Jay in Toronto : 2/6/2019 4:23 pm : link
BPA on D for all rounds all else being equal. Exception (depending on what is done in FA, is an OL with = positioning to a D on their Board)
You want to stay with Halapio and Brown at OC and RG?  
Torrag : 2/6/2019 5:09 pm : link
Fucksake I hope there is a better plan than that fiasco in the works.
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