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GoBlue6599 : 1/28/2019 4:21 pm
Yes another Haskins thread letís save all the wise guys some time and scram if you donít like the topic
So the guy completes 70% of his passes 50 tds top 3 in the Hiesman voting obliterates Drew Brees passing records and somehow on this board heís not any good .. In what universe is Herbert and Fromm anywhere close to Haskins.. We know ..he was on a great team lol Ohio St always has the best players and they never had a passing game like this
Sign me up right now. The Giants need to go for it and think about what can go right instead of being a loser and worrying what can go wrong
Top young Offense to take back a division that somehow we havenít won in 8 seasons .. Eli thanks for everything but youíre old, ineffective and expensive
The only knock i have seen about him  
superspynyg : 1/28/2019 4:29 pm : link
is that he is not good under pressure. If we were to take him then I deem him worth of a chance. He could use a season under a pro like Manning.
I don't know where to start.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/28/2019 4:31 pm : link
I like Haskins but pointing to stats in college is not going to support anything. The kid has questions that will not be answered until you get him on a field again which will not happen anytime soon. I like that he is a pocket passer unlike most nowadays.

But saying we need to start worrying about what can go right instead of what can go wrong puts us in the Jerry Reese era again. We don't need to know the potential of players like Ereck Flowers, Eli Apple, all the JPP's of (insert position here), Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, etc. We should start looking at the floor as well as the ceiling. Gettleman nailed his first draft so let him do it again. I just don't think the "lets focus on what could happen" is a good approach. In fact, I think it is a horrible way to look at players that will either have high price tags or be high picks.
*Discliamer* Not giving opinion on the player.  
rasbutant : 1/28/2019 4:36 pm : link
Geno Smith's stats in 2012.
71.2% cmp; 4205 yards; 42 TD's, 6 INT's

Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch film.

It may be that after watching film you still think he is a top QB? But just going on stats is fools gold.

Me, I would start by watching him play Alabama.
RE: *Discliamer* Not giving opinion on the player.  
Strahan91 : 1/28/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14279205 rasbutant said:
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Geno Smith's stats in 2012.
71.2% cmp; 4205 yards; 42 TD's, 6 INT's

Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch film.

It may be that after watching film you still think he is a top QB? But just going on stats is fools gold.

Me, I would start by watching him play Alabama.

Uh, Haskins never played Alabama. Who are you thinking of?
From what i've seen  
cjac : 1/28/2019 4:39 pm : link
from Haskins, Lock and Herbert

Haskins looks like he's the best of the 3, he sees the field well, he doesnt stare down recievers, he gets rid of the ball and he's accurate.

But what the hell do i know.

I think we all have to be confident that the Giants are doing their due dilligence and whoever they take with the #6 pick is going to be the best player available at that moment.
He has the best release and a very good arm  
uconngiant : 1/28/2019 4:44 pm : link
My issue is how he does under pressure and doesn't have great feet which is a concern.
RE: From what i've seen  
Blue21 : 1/28/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14279211 cjac said:
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from Haskins, Lock and Herbert

Haskins looks like he's the best of the 3, he sees the field well, he doesnt stare down recievers, he gets rid of the ball and he's accurate.

But what the hell do i know.

I think we all have to be confident that the Giants are doing their due dilligence and whoever they take with the #6 pick is going to be the best player available at that moment.


I agree and what the hell do I know too. But my guess he'll be gone by 6 so we're all getting worked up for nothing.
RE: RE: *Discliamer* Not giving opinion on the player.  
Leg of Theismann : 1/28/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14279209 Strahan91 said:
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Geno Smith's stats in 2012.
71.2% cmp; 4205 yards; 42 TD's, 6 INT's

Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch film.

It may be that after watching film you still think he is a top QB? But just going on stats is fools gold.

Me, I would start by watching him play Alabama.


Uh, Haskins never played Alabama. Who are you thinking of?


Unless he's referring to Murray playing Alabama?

If so, I thought Murray held his own against Alabama considering his team was considerably outmatched. Only 51% completion % in that game but he threw for 300 yards and rushed for 100 yards, scored 3 TDs and didn't turn the ball over. And that was his worst game all year. Kind of tough to beat Alabama when they score 45 points and have an NFL defense.
I think Haskins has good skills...  
bw in dc : 1/28/2019 4:50 pm : link
and definitely belongs in the debate for top QB.

But to not recognize the terrific pockets the oline gave him and the open receivers he continually had to throw to is lazy or an inability to understand what you are watching. Or maybe even both.

Granted, Haskins still had to make the throws. But it's a helluva lot easier to play the position when you have time and throw to receivers with great skills to create separation.

RE: I think Haskins has good skills...  
GoBlue6599 : 1/28/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14279223 bw in dc said:
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and definitely belongs in the debate for top QB.

But to not recognize the terrific pockets the oline gave him and the open receivers he continually had to throw to is lazy or an inability to understand what you are watching. Or maybe even both.

Granted, Haskins still had to make the throws. But it's a helluva lot easier to play the position when you have time and throw to receivers with great skills to create separation.

Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?
RE: RE: I think Haskins has good skills...  
bw in dc : 1/28/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14279235 GoBlue6599 said:
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Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?


Of course Haskins gets credit, but it's important to see the entire scope of his situation.

I really don't understand this piece about his upside being "through the roof". It's pretty straightforward who is - decent size, decent mover, quality arm, and fairly good stroke. There certainly is a question mark about how he will manage under duress.

Now Tyree Jackson is a guy who may have upside "through the roof". He's got a lot of raw skills that are very interesting. In the end, I think he's a project selection. But if someone can make the investment and mold those raw skills, then something special may evolve. That's upside...
RE: RE: I think Haskins has good skills...  
RobCarpenter : 1/28/2019 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14279235 GoBlue6599 said:
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and definitely belongs in the debate for top QB.

But to not recognize the terrific pockets the oline gave him and the open receivers he continually had to throw to is lazy or an inability to understand what you are watching. Or maybe even both.

Granted, Haskins still had to make the throws. But it's a helluva lot easier to play the position when you have time and throw to receivers with great skills to create separation.



Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?


Because a big question mark with Haskins is how he does when pressured. No one doubts he can make fantastic throws with a clean pocket.

In terms of his passing yards - Ohio State's D was terrible, and that lead to Haskins needing to air it out for them to win. In the Purdue game he threw for almost 500 yards and they lost.

People see what they want to see  
joeinpa : 1/28/2019 5:27 pm : link
Last year at this time we were reading here about the flaws Iíd Mayfield, Darnold, Allen and Rosen and why it would be such a reach for the Giants at #2.

After a season observing these guys we read from their detractors that they were proven correct.

However, guys like me who saw the same performances are convinced that a couple of them were worth the #2 pick.

We see what we want to see.

Haskins? I like him. But my bias is definitely influenced by the desire to see the next guy here.

In the end, time will tell.
Just give it a few months...  
BamaBlue : 1/28/2019 5:37 pm : link
potential 1st round quarterbacks seem to get better and better as we get closer to draft day.
RE: RE: RE: I think Haskins has good skills...  
GoBlue6599 : 1/28/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14279244 bw in dc said:
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Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?



Of course Haskins gets credit, but it's important to see the entire scope of his situation.

I really don't understand this piece about his upside being "through the roof". It's pretty straightforward who is - decent size, decent mover, quality arm, and fairly good stroke. There certainly is a question mark about how he will manage under duress.

Now Tyree Jackson is a guy who may have upside "through the roof". He's got a lot of raw skills that are very interesting. In the end, I think he's a project selection. But if someone can make the investment and mold those raw skills, then something special may evolve. That's upside...

Tyree Jackson is a long shot at best ..Who will be better pro Haskin or Jackson .. Money line on Jackson + 2000
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GoBlue6599 : 1/28/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14279245 RobCarpenter said:
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and definitely belongs in the debate for top QB.

But to not recognize the terrific pockets the oline gave him and the open receivers he continually had to throw to is lazy or an inability to understand what you are watching. Or maybe even both.

Granted, Haskins still had to make the throws. But it's a helluva lot easier to play the position when you have time and throw to receivers with great skills to create separation.



Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?



Because a big question mark with Haskins is how he does when pressured. No one doubts he can make fantastic throws with a clean pocket.

In terms of his passing yards - Ohio State's D was terrible, and that lead to Haskins needing to air it out for them to win. In the Purdue game he threw for almost 500 yards and they lost.

Yeah he had to air it out and he did just that 50 tds 5000 yards and a 13-1 record.. including embarrassing Michigan and there top ranked D
RE: RE: RE: I think Haskins has good skills...  
Leg of Theismann : 1/28/2019 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14279244 bw in dc said:
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Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?



Of course Haskins gets credit, but it's important to see the entire scope of his situation.

I really don't understand this piece about his upside being "through the roof". It's pretty straightforward who is - decent size, decent mover, quality arm, and fairly good stroke. There certainly is a question mark about how he will manage under duress.

Now Tyree Jackson is a guy who may have upside "through the roof". He's got a lot of raw skills that are very interesting. In the end, I think he's a project selection. But if someone can make the investment and mold those raw skills, then something special may evolve. That's upside...


Tyree Jackson?? What?? That guy completed like 55% of his passes in college and he played for Buffalo. Not a huge threat running the ball like some of his highlights might make you think... had like 200 carries for 700 yards in college. And he played for Buffalo.

Not an NFL caliber QB.

Buffalo.
Think Haskins will be a developmental nightmare  
TMS : 1/28/2019 6:12 pm : link
like the rest of our QB picks. He will struggle for 3/4 years like many do, then be gone.
RE: Think Haskins will be a developmental nightmare  
GoBlue6599 : 1/28/2019 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14279300 TMS said:
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like the rest of our QB picks. He will struggle for 3/4 years like many do, then be gone.

What makes you think this?
How does anybody know what Haskins ceiling is?  
Simms11 : 1/28/2019 6:20 pm : link
He played one freaking full season in the Big 10 and excelled. I donít get people saying he will be a bust?! Whoís to say he doesnít come in and light the NFL on fire. Heís shown pretty damn good skill as a QB and he appears to be bright, which is a huge intangible. Anyway, if DG has seen enough and has thoroughly researched him, Iíd be pretty excited to get him in the first. Could there be better players, probably at #6, yea, but to pass on a potential Frachise QB would be a massive mistake.
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John In CO : 1/28/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14279283 Leg of Theismann said:
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Tyree Jackson?? What?? That guy completed like 55% of his passes in college and he played for Buffalo. Not a huge threat running the ball like some of his highlights might make you think... had like 200 carries for 700 yards in college. And he played for Buffalo.

Not an NFL caliber QB.

Buffalo.


Dont make the mistake of discounting a guy because of the level he played at in college. If teams did that, well, first off, I guess Phil Simms never would have been drafted by the Giants, no Roethlisberger (played in the same Conf as Jackson), no Wentz or Garropolo (played at a level BELOW Buffalo), Derek Carr, etc.....its a long list. And thats just the QB's. If you can play, you can play. Are you going against much better competition? Of course. What college player going to the NFL isnt? At the same time, you are also surrounded by much better players on your side of the ball. Again...if you can play, you can play. Im not a big fan of Jackson, but its not because of his level of competition.
Leg...  
bw in dc : 1/28/2019 6:52 pm : link
Re-read what I wrote. I said Jackson was a project selection.

Iím talking about the concept of upside. And based on his raw skills and what he has flashed, Jackson is the perfect example. If someone drafts him and is willing to give him time to learn and absorb the NFL game, I donít think itís outrageous to say Jackson could pop and really shine. With that arm, size, and athleticism...could be interesting. Thus, upside.
I'd have a hard time taking a QB this year  
Breeze_94 : 1/28/2019 7:02 pm : link
Because I'm way higher on Fromm, Tua, and Herbert than I am any of the guys this year. I like Murray as a player, but worry about his frame and the possibility of him playing pro baseball. Haskins is solid, but I see him as being a tier below the above. I think the lack of top QB prospects this year is causing him to be a bit overrated.

Take Jonah Williams or an edge rusher/Oliver, worry about a QB next year. If they need to trade up in 2020, than so be it.
Do not think DG and Shurmur use the 6th pick in the draft on a player  
TMS : 1/28/2019 7:37 pm : link
who has no game expierience except for one year. Good athletic skills, but it takes more than that to play in the NFL.. MO.
Iím not going to speculate  
Giant John : 1/28/2019 9:00 pm : link
On who the Giants wind up drafting. Itís also early to say. I can see where the odds are higher they take the QB this year if they like one of them. Since they passed on one last year. At some point they have to try to replace Eli. So I am thinking they probably will but who knows? Right now? Maybe even DG does not know. I only hope they get a great football player and leader.
RE: How does anybody know what Haskins ceiling is?  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 1/28/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14279314 Simms11 said:
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He played one freaking full season in the Big 10 and excelled. I donít get people saying he will be a bust?! Whoís to say he doesnít come in and light the NFL on fire. Heís shown pretty damn good skill as a QB and he appears to be bright, which is a huge intangible. Anyway, if DG has seen enough and has thoroughly researched him, Iíd be pretty excited to get him in the first. Could there be better players, probably at #6, yea, but to pass on a potential Frachise QB would be a massive mistake.


Sorry if I missed it but how does only one person bring up the most important fact this kid has 1 year under his belt? There is no saquon and this kid has great upside. Let's get Shurmer to bring it out.
Citing  
lax counsel : 1/29/2019 8:50 am : link
College stats is pretty meaningless. You think some would have learned by using Davis Webbís college stats as some sort of justification that he was as good as the top tier 2018 qbs.

Looking forward to DG's decision  
giantstock : 1/29/2019 9:12 am : link
If he likes any of the QB's enough that he projects them to be very good then imo they need to go for it unless they feel a superstar pass rusher slipped to them.

If they only think the QB will become just a slightly above average QB for his career then pass on him. There's enough very, very good pass rushers that will be available that it won't hurt to pass on the QB if he isn't projected to be as mentioned.

RE: *Discliamer* Not giving opinion on the player.  
Dutch77 : 1/29/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14279205 rasbutant said:
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Geno Smith's stats in 2012.
71.2% cmp; 4205 yards; 42 TD's, 6 INT's

Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch film.

It may be that after watching film you still think he is a top QB? But just going on stats is fools gold.

Me, I would start by watching him play Alabama.

I agree with you about stats don't tell the entire story but Is there a reason you elected to use Gino's stats specificly to make your point?
Everything about his talent  
ryanmkeane : 1/29/2019 12:40 pm : link
and background would tell you Haskins will be a successful NFL QB. Folks are grasping for reasons not to like him.
Haskins  
BigBlueCane : 1/29/2019 3:58 pm : link
played on one of the five most talented teams in the country. that makes evaluating him, especially off one year of film, extraordinarily difficult.
RE: Haskins  
bw in dc : 1/29/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14280342 BigBlueCane said:
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played on one of the five most talented teams in the country. that makes evaluating him, especially off one year of film, extraordinarily difficult.


Offensively - arguably the top 3.

Both McLaurin and Campbell will go in the first two rounds this year. I think Hill is actually outstanding. At least three of the olinemen are top three round draft choices. And the TEs, Farrell and even Berry, are quality pro prospects.

And of course, like always, the RB committee is excellent with Web and Dobbins.

I think Perry and Rosier could have been stars in that system... ;)
If it were up to me  
mrvax : 1/29/2019 5:52 pm : link
I'd take Haskins at #6.

The real question is if DG likes Haskins a lot, what do you give up to move up to be certain you get him?
Will He Be There at 6?  
Samiam : 2/4/2019 6:51 pm : link
I said this on another thread. If Haskins is the real thing, somebody will grab him before the 6th pick. I donít see the Giants having the resources to move up to get him unless weíre talking abotbHaskuns being att or slightly below Luck. Iím thinking that Coughlin would like nothing better to do than stick it to the Giants and he needs a QB badly and Jacksonville is a pretty solid young team except they need a QB. But, I heard a report today that they are looking to acquire Foles. If that happens then the possibility of Haskins coming here is enhanced given that the other teams who need a QB would have to pay a ransom. All this presupposes that Haskins aces the combine and the interviews and investigations. Anybody who thinks they know the answer is just guessing
GoBlue...don't get upset everybody on BBI doesn't agree with you.  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2019 7:09 pm : link
Have you tried to load YouTube highlights of Haskins?

Once posters see only his really good plays then you will be able to hook em' like fish in a barrel...
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