Yes another Haskins thread let’s save all the wise guys some time and scram if you don’t like the topic
So the guy completes 70% of his passes 50 tds top 3 in the Hiesman voting obliterates Drew Brees passing records and somehow on this board he’s not any good .. In what universe is Herbert and Fromm anywhere close to Haskins.. We know ..he was on a great team lol Ohio St always has the best players and they never had a passing game like this
Sign me up right now. The Giants need to go for it and think about what can go right instead of being a loser and worrying what can go wrong
Top young Offense to take back a division that somehow we haven’t won in 8 seasons .. Eli thanks for everything but you’re old, ineffective and expensive
But saying we need to start worrying about what can go right instead of what can go wrong puts us in the Jerry Reese era again. We don't need to know the potential of players like Ereck Flowers, Eli Apple, all the JPP's of (insert position here), Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, etc. We should start looking at the floor as well as the ceiling. Gettleman nailed his first draft so let him do it again. I just don't think the "lets focus on what could happen" is a good approach. In fact, I think it is a horrible way to look at players that will either have high price tags or be high picks.
71.2% cmp; 4205 yards; 42 TD's, 6 INT's
Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch film.
It may be that after watching film you still think he is a top QB? But just going on stats is fools gold.
Me, I would start by watching him play Alabama.
71.2% cmp; 4205 yards; 42 TD's, 6 INT's
Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch film.
It may be that after watching film you still think he is a top QB? But just going on stats is fools gold.
Me, I would start by watching him play Alabama.
Uh, Haskins never played Alabama. Who are you thinking of?
Haskins looks like he's the best of the 3, he sees the field well, he doesnt stare down recievers, he gets rid of the ball and he's accurate.
But what the hell do i know.
I think we all have to be confident that the Giants are doing their due dilligence and whoever they take with the #6 pick is going to be the best player available at that moment.
Haskins looks like he's the best of the 3, he sees the field well, he doesnt stare down recievers, he gets rid of the ball and he's accurate.
But what the hell do i know.
I think we all have to be confident that the Giants are doing their due dilligence and whoever they take with the #6 pick is going to be the best player available at that moment.
I agree and what the hell do I know too. But my guess he'll be gone by 6 so we're all getting worked up for nothing.
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Geno Smith's stats in 2012.
71.2% cmp; 4205 yards; 42 TD's, 6 INT's
Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch film.
It may be that after watching film you still think he is a top QB? But just going on stats is fools gold.
Me, I would start by watching him play Alabama.
Uh, Haskins never played Alabama. Who are you thinking of?
Unless he's referring to Murray playing Alabama?
If so, I thought Murray held his own against Alabama considering his team was considerably outmatched. Only 51% completion % in that game but he threw for 300 yards and rushed for 100 yards, scored 3 TDs and didn't turn the ball over. And that was his worst game all year. Kind of tough to beat Alabama when they score 45 points and have an NFL defense.
But to not recognize the terrific pockets the oline gave him and the open receivers he continually had to throw to is lazy or an inability to understand what you are watching. Or maybe even both.
Granted, Haskins still had to make the throws. But it's a helluva lot easier to play the position when you have time and throw to receivers with great skills to create separation.
But to not recognize the terrific pockets the oline gave him and the open receivers he continually had to throw to is lazy or an inability to understand what you are watching. Or maybe even both.
Granted, Haskins still had to make the throws. But it's a helluva lot easier to play the position when you have time and throw to receivers with great skills to create separation.
Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?
Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?
Of course Haskins gets credit, but it's important to see the entire scope of his situation.
I really don't understand this piece about his upside being "through the roof". It's pretty straightforward who is - decent size, decent mover, quality arm, and fairly good stroke. There certainly is a question mark about how he will manage under duress.
Now Tyree Jackson is a guy who may have upside "through the roof". He's got a lot of raw skills that are very interesting. In the end, I think he's a project selection. But if someone can make the investment and mold those raw skills, then something special may evolve. That's upside...
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and definitely belongs in the debate for top QB.
But to not recognize the terrific pockets the oline gave him and the open receivers he continually had to throw to is lazy or an inability to understand what you are watching. Or maybe even both.
Granted, Haskins still had to make the throws. But it's a helluva lot easier to play the position when you have time and throw to receivers with great skills to create separation.
Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?
Because a big question mark with Haskins is how he does when pressured. No one doubts he can make fantastic throws with a clean pocket.
In terms of his passing yards - Ohio State's D was terrible, and that lead to Haskins needing to air it out for them to win. In the Purdue game he threw for almost 500 yards and they lost.
After a season observing these guys we read from their detractors that they were proven correct.
However, guys like me who saw the same performances are convinced that a couple of them were worth the #2 pick.
We see what we want to see.
Haskins? I like him. But my bias is definitely influenced by the desire to see the next guy here.
In the end, time will tell.
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Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?
Of course Haskins gets credit, but it's important to see the entire scope of his situation.
I really don't understand this piece about his upside being "through the roof". It's pretty straightforward who is - decent size, decent mover, quality arm, and fairly good stroke. There certainly is a question mark about how he will manage under duress.
Now Tyree Jackson is a guy who may have upside "through the roof". He's got a lot of raw skills that are very interesting. In the end, I think he's a project selection. But if someone can make the investment and mold those raw skills, then something special may evolve. That's upside...
Tyree Jackson is a long shot at best ..Who will be better pro Haskin or Jackson .. Money line on Jackson + 2000
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In comment 14279223 bw in dc said:
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and definitely belongs in the debate for top QB.
But to not recognize the terrific pockets the oline gave him and the open receivers he continually had to throw to is lazy or an inability to understand what you are watching. Or maybe even both.
Granted, Haskins still had to make the throws. But it's a helluva lot easier to play the position when you have time and throw to receivers with great skills to create separation.
Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?
Because a big question mark with Haskins is how he does when pressured. No one doubts he can make fantastic throws with a clean pocket.
In terms of his passing yards - Ohio State's D was terrible, and that lead to Haskins needing to air it out for them to win. In the Purdue game he threw for almost 500 yards and they lost.
Yeah he had to air it out and he did just that 50 tds 5000 yards and a 13-1 record.. including embarrassing Michigan and there top ranked D
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Yeah he had to make the throws are you suggesting Ohio St was some sort of super team because they always have the best players in the Big 10 and have never had a passing season like what Haskins had last year.
Does he get any credit for that? Or is it only his team
The upside with Haskins is through the roof.. the Giants could have 1 of the best young Offense in the NFL for the next 5-7 years
Why not go for it?
Of course Haskins gets credit, but it's important to see the entire scope of his situation.
I really don't understand this piece about his upside being "through the roof". It's pretty straightforward who is - decent size, decent mover, quality arm, and fairly good stroke. There certainly is a question mark about how he will manage under duress.
Now Tyree Jackson is a guy who may have upside "through the roof". He's got a lot of raw skills that are very interesting. In the end, I think he's a project selection. But if someone can make the investment and mold those raw skills, then something special may evolve. That's upside...
Tyree Jackson?? What?? That guy completed like 55% of his passes in college and he played for Buffalo. Not a huge threat running the ball like some of his highlights might make you think... had like 200 carries for 700 yards in college. And he played for Buffalo.
Not an NFL caliber QB.
Buffalo.
What makes you think this?
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Tyree Jackson?? What?? That guy completed like 55% of his passes in college and he played for Buffalo. Not a huge threat running the ball like some of his highlights might make you think... had like 200 carries for 700 yards in college. And he played for Buffalo.
Not an NFL caliber QB.
Buffalo.
Dont make the mistake of discounting a guy because of the level he played at in college. If teams did that, well, first off, I guess Phil Simms never would have been drafted by the Giants, no Roethlisberger (played in the same Conf as Jackson), no Wentz or Garropolo (played at a level BELOW Buffalo), Derek Carr, etc.....its a long list. And thats just the QB's. If you can play, you can play. Are you going against much better competition? Of course. What college player going to the NFL isnt? At the same time, you are also surrounded by much better players on your side of the ball. Again...if you can play, you can play. Im not a big fan of Jackson, but its not because of his level of competition.
I’m talking about the concept of upside. And based on his raw skills and what he has flashed, Jackson is the perfect example. If someone drafts him and is willing to give him time to learn and absorb the NFL game, I don’t think it’s outrageous to say Jackson could pop and really shine. With that arm, size, and athleticism...could be interesting. Thus, upside.
Take Jonah Williams or an edge rusher/Oliver, worry about a QB next year. If they need to trade up in 2020, than so be it.
Sorry if I missed it but how does only one person bring up the most important fact this kid has 1 year under his belt? There is no saquon and this kid has great upside. Let's get Shurmer to bring it out.
If they only think the QB will become just a slightly above average QB for his career then pass on him. There's enough very, very good pass rushers that will be available that it won't hurt to pass on the QB if he isn't projected to be as mentioned.
71.2% cmp; 4205 yards; 42 TD's, 6 INT's
Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch film.
It may be that after watching film you still think he is a top QB? But just going on stats is fools gold.
Me, I would start by watching him play Alabama.
I agree with you about stats don't tell the entire story but Is there a reason you elected to use Gino's stats specificly to make your point?
Offensively - arguably the top 3.
Both McLaurin and Campbell will go in the first two rounds this year. I think Hill is actually outstanding. At least three of the olinemen are top three round draft choices. And the TEs, Farrell and even Berry, are quality pro prospects.
And of course, like always, the RB committee is excellent with Web and Dobbins.
I think Perry and Rosier could have been stars in that system... ;)
The real question is if DG likes Haskins a lot, what do you give up to move up to be certain you get him?
Once posters see only his really good plays then you will be able to hook em' like fish in a barrel...