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baadbill : 1/30/2019 1:02 am
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“Aaron Donald’s a great football player, but I wouldn’t put anybody ahead of Lawrence Taylor,” Belichick said. “Lawrence did it all for 13 years. He dominated. . . .Taylor’s the best player I’ve ever seen, certainly the best one I’ve ever coached.”

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It will be very..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/30/2019 10:02 am : link
difficult for there to be another LT for a variety of reasons.

One of the most predominant is the rules in place today. A lot of hits were brutal. Completely clean at the time, but would likely draw flags today.

The other aspect is that there is more of an influence of mobile QB's.

A third is the overall evolution on the offensive side of the ball. Most systems today have built-in checks and balances to account for one player - even an excellent one. LT was amazing. He could play the role of a spy on a running QB - he could be a ferocious pass rusher. He could cover TE's. He could stop the run and chase down misdirection plays. That combination of size, speed and football IQ will be hard to find again - as well as being able to play within the rules of the game.
Its fair to say the game is the way it is now because of LT  
WideRight : 1/30/2019 10:19 am : link

He changed the way offenses played to account for dominant forces on the edge, rushing the passer or defending the run. He created the whole Left Tackle mystique. He increased the use of the short drop and quick release. The only offense that had repeated success in the LT era was the West Coast Offense. He created many careers for Bill Walshes tree.

But more subtley and profoundly, the NFL compettion committee has gradually put in rule after rule after rule to protect and promote the passing game. All off these, intentionally or not, are designed to stop someone like LT from dominating a game. The only defensive player who came close was Ray Lewis.

It's now Brady's game
Ray Lweis didn't come close  
arniefez : 1/30/2019 10:49 am : link
Ray Lewis was a product of a system designed to keep him clean so he could clean up. LT was his own system.
stop.. they need to just keep LT's name  
blueblood : 1/30/2019 10:57 am : link
out their mouths.. stop asking Belichick about LT.

LT.

The best there is.
The best there was.
The best there ever will be.


I just watched Greg's video and I noticed on LT's hits on  
wgenesis123 : 1/30/2019 11:26 am : link
the QB's he does a good job of staying in the strike zone. He does not go helmet to helmet but some hits are pretty close. Probably get a flag today. When he goes low he tends to tackle at the waist. The hits that would be most questionable today is when he grabs a QB and tosses them around like a rag doll. I would be interested to hear a Refs opinion of his hits.
One thing I appreciate more now:  
TDMaker85 : 1/30/2019 11:55 am : link
No bullshit sack dances. Just wrecks the game, high fives his teammates and gets back to work.
In the goal line video  
arniefez : 1/30/2019 11:58 am : link
Mike Mayock makes a Giants cameo on the play vs. the Chiefs getting wiped out by #75.
RE: Maybe a comment to get  
trueblueinpw : 1/30/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14280673 Giant John said:
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Brady fired up?


Ha! You might be on to something here. And that’s why Hoodie is the greatest coach ever.
Reason Rogers Was Picked Ahead of LT  
Samiam : 1/30/2019 12:04 pm : link
It actually made sense at the time because no one had ever seen a player like LT. I think it was the Redskins who had the first pick but not sure. The coach said that they would control the number of time a RB can get the ball so if they wanted to give Rogers the ball 40 times a game, they could do it. Conversely, if LT or any defensive player was playing on one side of the field, they could neutralize that player by going to the other side of the field or doubleteaming the player. Obviously, LT changed the dynamics of the game because he was fast to get to the other side of the field and strong enough to beat the doubleteam.

LT played for North Carolina and (I think) was never on televsion in the Northeast so almost no one saw him in college. There was a DE/LB sort of edge rusher coming out that year, Hugh Green from Pittsburgh who was a very good pass rusher at about 220 pounds. Alot of us were hoping he would be the pick because Pitt was on tv alot. But, when I read that Taylor was about 240 pounds and taller and faster and stronger than Green, it was like ok. The first time any Giants fan saw him play, it was the ultimate holy crap moment. You took one look at him on the field and knew he was special and that's when the team had Harry Carson and some other very good LBs. He changed the game in a way no one else had.
RE: Reason Rogers Was Picked Ahead of LT  
baadbill : 1/30/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14280984 Samiam said:
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It actually made sense at the time because no one had ever seen a player like LT. I think it was the Redskins who had the first pick but not sure. The coach said that they would control the number of time a RB can get the ball so if they wanted to give Rogers the ball 40 times a game, they could do it. Conversely, if LT or any defensive player was playing on one side of the field, they could neutralize that player by going to the other side of the field or doubleteaming the player. Obviously, LT changed the dynamics of the game because he was fast to get to the other side of the field and strong enough to beat the doubleteam.

LT played for North Carolina and (I think) was never on televsion in the Northeast so almost no one saw him in college. There was a DE/LB sort of edge rusher coming out that year, Hugh Green from Pittsburgh who was a very good pass rusher at about 220 pounds. Alot of us were hoping he would be the pick because Pitt was on tv alot. But, when I read that Taylor was about 240 pounds and taller and faster and stronger than Green, it was like ok. The first time any Giants fan saw him play, it was the ultimate holy crap moment. You took one look at him on the field and knew he was special and that's when the team had Harry Carson and some other very good LBs. He changed the game in a way no one else had.


New Orleans had the first pick. And Rogers was a really great player. He just wasn't LT. Dumbest pick in NFL history.
RE: RE: Reason Rogers Was Picked Ahead of LT  
baadbill : 1/30/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14280994 baadbill said:
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It actually made sense at the time because no one had ever seen a player like LT. I think it was the Redskins who had the first pick but not sure. The coach said that they would control the number of time a RB can get the ball so if they wanted to give Rogers the ball 40 times a game, they could do it. Conversely, if LT or any defensive player was playing on one side of the field, they could neutralize that player by going to the other side of the field or doubleteaming the player. Obviously, LT changed the dynamics of the game because he was fast to get to the other side of the field and strong enough to beat the doubleteam.

LT played for North Carolina and (I think) was never on televsion in the Northeast so almost no one saw him in college. There was a DE/LB sort of edge rusher coming out that year, Hugh Green from Pittsburgh who was a very good pass rusher at about 220 pounds. Alot of us were hoping he would be the pick because Pitt was on tv alot. But, when I read that Taylor was about 240 pounds and taller and faster and stronger than Green, it was like ok. The first time any Giants fan saw him play, it was the ultimate holy crap moment. You took one look at him on the field and knew he was special and that's when the team had Harry Carson and some other very good LBs. He changed the game in a way no one else had.



New Orleans had the first pick. And Rogers was a really great player. He just wasn't LT. Dumbest pick in NFL history.


And the moment he took the field for his first NFL practice, he immediately became the best player in the entire NFL and it wasn't close (sorry Joe).
Lol LT  
Bluesbreaker : 1/30/2019 12:10 pm : link
I thought our LB's were pretty good back then and
thought why take another . Once the season started early
on plays where the runner is being forced out of bounds
right before he is stepping out of bounds this
blur comes across the screen and blasted the Redskin runner
out of the frame I knew then this guy was special ..
he was frightening ..
For as much crap as the Saints got for passing on LT  
Matt in SGS : 1/30/2019 12:12 pm : link
They got George Rogers, who led the NFL with over 1600 yards as a rookie and it came at a time when RBs were a premium. And he was drafted by Bum Phillips, who had a good run in Houston with a guy who was a pretty good running back to say the least (Earl Campbell). That was Bum's vision at the time for the Saints.

And you know who the Saints got in the 2nd round in 1981? Rickey Jackson. Jackson was no LT, but he turned in a 6 time Pro Bowler at LB and made the Hall of Fame.
RE: For as much crap as the Saints got for passing on LT  
baadbill : 1/30/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14281001 Matt in SGS said:
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They got George Rogers, who led the NFL with over 1600 yards as a rookie and it came at a time when RBs were a premium. And he was drafted by Bum Phillips, who had a good run in Houston with a guy who was a pretty good running back to say the least (Earl Campbell). That was Bum's vision at the time for the Saints.

And you know who the Saints got in the 2nd round in 1981? Rickey Jackson. Jackson was no LT, but he turned in a 6 time Pro Bowler at LB and made the Hall of Fame.


Jackson was a force. New Orleans had a really great LB group. That game when LT wore a shoulder harness was a battle of great linebackers.
They also had a "small" guy from Rutgers I think ... Sam Mills  
baadbill : 1/30/2019 12:19 pm : link
... he was a hell of a player.
LT was  
Phil in LA : 1/30/2019 12:21 pm : link
the best player I've ever seen, too.
One of the great things about these LT threads...  
trueblueinpw : 1/30/2019 12:23 pm : link
He was probably better than we all remember. I’m sure lots of the young bucks here who didn’t see LT in real time think us old timers are just being nostalgic and remembering LTs highlights and maybe even thinking that LT wouldn’t be as special in today’s NFL. But I really do believe LT was every bit as good and maybe even better than we remember. I just don’t remember any player before or since that was even close. He was so much better than everyone on the field. Incredible player.
RE: One of the great things about these LT threads...  
baadbill : 1/30/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14281025 trueblueinpw said:
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He was probably better than we all remember. I’m sure lots of the young bucks here who didn’t see LT in real time think us old timers are just being nostalgic and remembering LTs highlights and maybe even thinking that LT wouldn’t be as special in today’s NFL. But I really do believe LT was every bit as good and maybe even better than we remember. I just don’t remember any player before or since that was even close. He was so much better than everyone on the field. Incredible player.


LT was the best athlete I've ever seen... better than Ali, better than Jordan, better than Gretsky... better than Mantle... better than Montana or any other football player... I consider it one of the greatest things of my lifetime to have been graced to see every snap he played as a NY Giant
I've enjoyed watching video...  
bw in dc : 1/30/2019 12:41 pm : link
on youtube when LT was at UNC. He just explodes off the screen.

Weird seeing him back then as #98.
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RE: And let's face it  
Rjanyg : 1/30/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14280771 Matt in SGS said:
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all that matters is how Tecmo Super Bowl saw your player. There was Bo Jackson on offense. LT on defense. Everyone else was several notches below. That was accurate.


LOL!! I think I had 73 sacks in one season with LT : )

I still have this game by the way! Kills my fingers to play.
Back in the 1980s and 1990s  
Matt in SGS : 1/30/2019 12:50 pm : link
everyone was trying to find "the next LT". Keith McCants was drafted out of Alabama as #1 overall and he turned into a bust and put on weight to play DE.

The closest was probably Derrick Thomas from the Chiefs. But Thomas was a pure speed rusher (though he was great at it). But he wasn't the overall player LT was. In coverage he was maybe slightly above average. He was average at best against the run. LT was able to do it all at such a high level. And teams were left with the choice that they didn't want in order to run. They had to run right at him. That's because LT would just chase the play down the line and get the runner from behind. And Banks was the best strongside linebacker in the NFL and would stuff TEs.

Otherwise, I think only Andre Tippett belongs in shouting distance of LT. He was a monster in New England (and wore #56 to boot).
Pat Swilling...  
bw in dc : 1/30/2019 12:51 pm : link
was a damn good edge rushing LB.

RE: Back in the 1980s and 1990s  
Big Blue '56 : 1/30/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14281064 Matt in SGS said:
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everyone was trying to find "the next LT". Keith McCants was drafted out of Alabama as #1 overall and he turned into a bust and put on weight to play DE.

The closest was probably Derrick Thomas from the Chiefs. But Thomas was a pure speed rusher (though he was great at it). But he wasn't the overall player LT was. In coverage he was maybe slightly above average. He was average at best against the run. LT was able to do it all at such a high level. And teams were left with the choice that they didn't want in order to run. They had to run right at him. That's because LT would just chase the play down the line and get the runner from behind. And Banks was the best strongside linebacker in the NFL and would stuff TEs.

Otherwise, I think only Andre Tippett belongs in shouting distance of LT. He was a monster in New England (and wore #56 to boot).


For one of the few times, I strongly disagree with you. NO ONE was within shouting distance of LT, as terrific as they were
LT  
Archer : 1/30/2019 1:01 pm : link
Would the Giants have drafted LT if there was social media in 1981?

If the Giants knew that LT came with all his off the field baggage would they have passed on him?



High praise coming  
Bubba : 1/30/2019 1:02 pm : link
from the GOAT coach.
RE: LT  
steve in ky : 1/30/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14281089 Archer said:
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Would the Giants have drafted LT if there was social media in 1981?

If the Giants knew that LT came with all his off the field baggage would they have passed on him?




Is there evidence there was baggage prior to the draft that would warrant passing on him? I don't recall any.
RE: Pat Swilling...  
Matt in SGS : 1/30/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14281068 bw in dc said:
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was a damn good edge rushing LB.


One of my favorite LT stories and Parcells came in 1989 before the Rams playoff game. Parcells told LT to get some plane tickets and fly to New Orleans to trade jerseys with Swilling. LT had problems getting to Jim Everett and their left tackle Irv Pankey. Swilling had gotten 3 sacks in a game vs. the Rams earlier in the year. That pissed off LT enough that he got 2 sacks early in the "Flipper game", including one which forced a fumble inside the Giants 10 yard line that stopped a scoring drive when Reasons recovered it. That game still pisses me off, if Simms didn't throw that pick before the half we never even hear about Flipper.
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Matt in SGS : 1/30/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14281070 Big Blue '56 said:
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everyone was trying to find "the next LT". Keith McCants was drafted out of Alabama as #1 overall and he turned into a bust and put on weight to play DE.

The closest was probably Derrick Thomas from the Chiefs. But Thomas was a pure speed rusher (though he was great at it). But he wasn't the overall player LT was. In coverage he was maybe slightly above average. He was average at best against the run. LT was able to do it all at such a high level. And teams were left with the choice that they didn't want in order to run. They had to run right at him. That's because LT would just chase the play down the line and get the runner from behind. And Banks was the best strongside linebacker in the NFL and would stuff TEs.

Otherwise, I think only Andre Tippett belongs in shouting distance of LT. He was a monster in New England (and wore #56 to boot).



For one of the few times, I strongly disagree with you. NO ONE was within shouting distance of LT, as terrific as they were


It's a long shout ;)
RE: RE: Pat Swilling...  
bw in dc : 1/30/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14281097 Matt in SGS said:
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was a damn good edge rushing LB.




One of my favorite LT stories and Parcells came in 1989 before the Rams playoff game. Parcells told LT to get some plane tickets and fly to New Orleans to trade jerseys with Swilling. LT had problems getting to Jim Everett and their left tackle Irv Pankey. Swilling had gotten 3 sacks in a game vs. the Rams earlier in the year. That pissed off LT enough that he got 2 sacks early in the "Flipper game", including one which forced a fumble inside the Giants 10 yard line that stopped a scoring drive when Reasons recovered it. That game still pisses me off, if Simms didn't throw that pick before the half we never even hear about Flipper.


I am familiar with that.

That Flipper Game still stings to this day. Brutal loss. Not sure we could have beaten the 9ers that year, but that would have been a better match-up than how the Rams got crushed the following week...
RE: RE: RE: Back in the 1980s and 1990s  
Big Blue '56 : 1/30/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14281098 Matt in SGS said:
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everyone was trying to find "the next LT". Keith McCants was drafted out of Alabama as #1 overall and he turned into a bust and put on weight to play DE.

The closest was probably Derrick Thomas from the Chiefs. But Thomas was a pure speed rusher (though he was great at it). But he wasn't the overall player LT was. In coverage he was maybe slightly above average. He was average at best against the run. LT was able to do it all at such a high level. And teams were left with the choice that they didn't want in order to run. They had to run right at him. That's because LT would just chase the play down the line and get the runner from behind. And Banks was the best strongside linebacker in the NFL and would stuff TEs.

Otherwise, I think only Andre Tippett belongs in shouting distance of LT. He was a monster in New England (and wore #56 to boot).



For one of the few times, I strongly disagree with you. NO ONE was within shouting distance of LT, as terrific as they were



It's a long shout ;)


😂😂
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Big Blue '56 : 1/30/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14281116 bw in dc said:
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was a damn good edge rushing LB.




One of my favorite LT stories and Parcells came in 1989 before the Rams playoff game. Parcells told LT to get some plane tickets and fly to New Orleans to trade jerseys with Swilling. LT had problems getting to Jim Everett and their left tackle Irv Pankey. Swilling had gotten 3 sacks in a game vs. the Rams earlier in the year. That pissed off LT enough that he got 2 sacks early in the "Flipper game", including one which forced a fumble inside the Giants 10 yard line that stopped a scoring drive when Reasons recovered it. That game still pisses me off, if Simms didn't throw that pick before the half we never even hear about Flipper.



I am familiar with that.

That Flipper Game still stings to this day. Brutal loss. Not sure we could have beaten the 9ers that year, but that would have been a better match-up than how the Rams got crushed the following week...


The Rams to us was akin to Norton vs Ali
RE: RE: LT  
RinR : 1/30/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14281096 steve in ky said:
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Would the Giants have drafted LT if there was social media in 1981?

If the Giants knew that LT came with all his off the field baggage would they have passed on him?





Is there evidence there was baggage prior to the draft that would warrant passing on him? I don't recall any.


Same here. I do not recall any baggage with LT coming out of UNC.
The moronic  
PaulN : 1/30/2019 1:39 pm : link
Criticism was he couldn't cover, the absolute biggest line of bullshit ever to be said about a player, he didn't drop back much into coverage for the obvious reasons, he took up 2 and sometimes 3 players even when he didn't reach the QB. Let me know the play you saw him miss a tackle, there is one, the game against the Cowboys, opening day when he was too tired to make a play because he sat out of training camp and the pre season games. He was the best, the two non QB's to make an argument for are Jim Brown, which is legit, and Jerry rice, which is total bullshit, a wide receiver simply can not have the impact of a LT or Jim Brown.
RE: They also had a player from Rutgers, Sam Mills  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/30/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14281016 baadbill said:
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... he was a hell of a player.


I've seen the Saints LB corps of that era, as a group, ranked above both the Giants' and Bears' LB corps, and all three were awesome, all time great LB corps.

Giants - LT, Carson, Banks and Reasons
Bears - Singletary, Marshall, Wilson
Saints - Jackson, Mills, Vaughn Johnson, and Pat Swilling

Link to 10 greatest LB corps below includes Packers, Chiefs with Lanier, Bell Lynch, Steelers from 2 different eras (a stretch IMO), Broncos' Orange Crush... I think it's from 10th to 1st, so the Saints' group gets 1st place. Not sure about the ranking, if there even is one.
Best LB corps all time - ( New Window )
LT undoubtedly best player overall in his era if not ever, SB as a rb  
plato : 1/30/2019 1:57 pm : link
may have a chance over 10 years to be talked about in a similar way.
Sam Mills...  
bw in dc : 1/30/2019 2:08 pm : link
I believe went to Montclair St.
The Saints LBs were great  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2019 2:15 pm : link
But any group with LT is #1 almost by default.
Mills..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/30/2019 2:22 pm : link
did go to Montclair St.
so he had many a Montclair moment, then?  
Greg from LI : 1/30/2019 2:40 pm : link
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RE: Ray Lweis didn't come close  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/30/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14280867 arniefez said:
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Ray Lewis was a product of a system designed to keep him clean so he could clean up. LT was his own system.


There's always one who thomrows Lewis in there. Great HOF level
Guy. Sure. But like Donald not close to the monster and influencer LT was
RE: They also had a  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/30/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14281016 baadbill said:
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... he was a hell of a player.


Montclair St. Not Rutgers
George Rogers was drafted by Bum Phillips  
arniefez : 1/30/2019 4:02 pm : link
who saw him as another Earl Campbell. Even in 1981 with a less sophisticated draft industrial complex every other team in the NFL would have drafted LT first. Thankfully only the Saints picked in front of the Giants.
RE: RE: RE: Reason Rogers Was Picked Ahead of LT  
nochance : 1/30/2019 4:23 pm : link
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It actually made sense at the time because no one had ever seen a player like LT. I think it was the Redskins who had the first pick but not sure. The coach said that they would control the number of time a RB can get the ball so if they wanted to give Rogers the ball 40 times a game, they could do it. Conversely, if LT or any defensive player was playing on one side of the field, they could neutralize that player by going to the other side of the field or doubleteaming the player. Obviously, LT changed the dynamics of the game because he was fast to get to the other side of the field and strong enough to beat the doubleteam.

LT played for North Carolina and (I think) was never on televsion in the Northeast so almost no one saw him in college. There was a DE/LB sort of edge rusher coming out that year, Hugh Green from Pittsburgh who was a very good pass rusher at about 220 pounds. Alot of us were hoping he would be the pick because Pitt was on tv alot. But, when I read that Taylor was about 240 pounds and taller and faster and stronger than Green, it was like ok. The first time any Giants fan saw him play, it was the ultimate holy crap moment. You took one look at him on the field and knew he was special and that's when the team had Harry Carson and some other very good LBs. He changed the game in a way no one else had.



New Orleans had the first pick. And Rogers was a really great player. He just wasn't LT. Dumbest pick in NFL history.



And the moment he took the field for his first NFL practice, he immediately became the best player in the entire NFL and it wasn't close (sorry Joe).






The reason Bum Phillips made Rogers the 1st pick was he was fixated with finding another Earl Campbell
Rogers was a good back, but ended up with health issues.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/30/2019 5:27 pm : link
IIRC he had compartment syndrome. It's not a Sam Bouie/Michael Jordan situation, he wasn't exactly a bust, but he was just another good back. LT was incomparable.

It's hard to grasp what LT was if you weren't around then. You can put together a great highlight reel and make a guy look like LT, but as others noted, he changed the way the game is played, permanently. You didn't just have to scheme for him, you had to invent new concepts for him.

If Aaron Donald forced teams to invent new formations, like passing out of something like punt formation (QB in shotgun, extra lineman playing "fullback," closer to the line than the QB, just to stop Donald from penetrating up the middle), and if those formations became a standard part of the league's offensive repertoire, then you could start to talk about Aaron Donald in the same breath as LT.
RE: Rogers was a good back, but ended up with health issues.  
baadbill : 1/30/2019 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14281427 81_Great_Dane said:
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IIRC he had compartment syndrome. It's not a Sam Bouie/Michael Jordan situation, he wasn't exactly a bust, but he was just another good back. LT was incomparable.

It's hard to grasp what LT was if you weren't around then. You can put together a great highlight reel and make a guy look like LT, but as others noted, he changed the way the game is played, permanently. You didn't just have to scheme for him, you had to invent new concepts for him.

If Aaron Donald forced teams to invent new formations, like passing out of something like punt formation (QB in shotgun, extra lineman playing "fullback," closer to the line than the QB, just to stop Donald from penetrating up the middle), and if those formations became a standard part of the league's offensive repertoire, then you could start to talk about Aaron Donald in the same breath as LT.


And teams literally changed the body type of the OL they drafted all in an effort to try to block LT
LT caused Joe Gibbs  
Bill in TN : 1/30/2019 8:54 pm : link
to create the H-back position to help block him. The only other guy I know that caused the game to be played differently was wilt Chamberlain (widened the key twice).
RE: RE: I also found it enjoyable..  
fanofthejets : 1/31/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14280740 Pete in MD said:
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that he referred to the Jets as “another organization”.... when asked about his relationship with Parcells he said they worked together with the Giants, Patriots & another organization.


That's like in the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary "The Two Bills" when they ask at the end if they want to go to the Jet's locker room. Both laughed out loud and said something like, "Why would we ever want to do that?"


Turns out the Jets had security guys at the ready if they ever tried it.

The Jets aren't a smart organization. But letting Bill Belichick into your locker room is akin to letting your sister date Ted Bundy.
RE: LT caused Joe Gibbs  
Jimmy Googs : 2/5/2019 5:38 am : link
In comment 14281579 Bill in TN said:
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to create the H-back position to help block him. The only other guy I know that caused the game to be played differently was wilt Chamberlain (widened the key twice).


LT was completely dominate for certain. Others have greatly contributed to changes in sport though such as Steelers Blount and the bump and run, and Bob Gibson and lowering the mound. To name a few...
RE: It will be very..  
Matt M. : 2/5/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14280801 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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difficult for there to be another LT for a variety of reasons.

One of the most predominant is the rules in place today. A lot of hits were brutal. Completely clean at the time, but would likely draw flags today.

The other aspect is that there is more of an influence of mobile QB's.

A third is the overall evolution on the offensive side of the ball. Most systems today have built-in checks and balances to account for one player - even an excellent one. LT was amazing. He could play the role of a spy on a running QB - he could be a ferocious pass rusher. He could cover TE's. He could stop the run and chase down misdirection plays. That combination of size, speed and football IQ will be hard to find again - as well as being able to play within the rules of the game.
You know, I watched some highlights recently and focused a lot on the hits. I think most were technically clean even by today's standards, but the nastiness of them would probably still draw flags. But, he was not a guy who played dirty. There really weren't hits to the head, late hits, etc. The one thing that would get flagged are some of the plays where he flung the QB to the ground.
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Matt M. : 2/5/2019 2:07 pm : link
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difficult for there to be another LT for a variety of reasons.

One of the most predominant is the rules in place today. A lot of hits were brutal. Completely clean at the time, but would likely draw flags today.

The other aspect is that there is more of an influence of mobile QB's.

A third is the overall evolution on the offensive side of the ball. Most systems today have built-in checks and balances to account for one player - even an excellent one. LT was amazing. He could play the role of a spy on a running QB - he could be a ferocious pass rusher. He could cover TE's. He could stop the run and chase down misdirection plays. That combination of size, speed and football IQ will be hard to find again - as well as being able to play within the rules of the game.

You know, I watched some highlights recently and focused a lot on the hits. I think most were technically clean even by today's standards, but the nastiness of them would probably still draw flags. But, he was not a guy who played dirty. There really weren't hits to the head, late hits, etc. The one thing that would get flagged are some of the plays where he flung the QB to the ground.
And a couple of more points. Even checking/accounting for him, he would still be unstoppable. The H-back, regularity of 2 TE sets, and other measures were put into place specifically for him. It really didn't matter if you put an all-pro LT on him, doubled him with a TE, doubled him with another OL, chipped him, etc. He had a combination of speed and strength never seen before or since. The man flung 300 lb. OL aside like rag dolls and then could run down a RB from behind on the opposite side of the field.

As for the speed and IQ, he could cover WRs, not just TEs and RBs. But, the instincts were amazing. He was not known for his desire to practice or studying of the playbook. But, he supposedly was able to diagnose plays on demand in the film room, recall whatever was asked, and on the field always seem to make the right play.
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