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a few thought on Roger Goodell's Super Bowl press conference

jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 1/30/2019 2:42 pm
He was asked about the terrible officiating no call near the end of regulation in the NFC championship game. The question included is there any consequences for the officials involved. He never addressed that part of the question. There were follow up questions, but none about that part.

He was asked about minority coaches and extolled the process with the Rooney rule and how it has had a positive effect on not only the NFL, but also other organizations that copied it. Later he was asked why Colin Kaepernick does not have a job in the NFL, and his answer was each team makes it own decisions based on what they feel will help them win. I for one see a contradiction in these two answers. If each team is going to do everything that helps them win, why would you need the Rooney Rule? And obvioulsy there is more to Kaepernick not having a job than no team thinks he can help them.
Who is Jeff?  
Motley Two : 1/30/2019 2:46 pm : link
What is Web TV?
Why is Jeff no longer on it?
RE: Who is Jeff?  
mattyblue : 1/30/2019 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14281239 Motley Two said:
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What is Web TV?
Why is Jeff no longer on it?


Lol
what the hell did you say?  
GMAN4LIFE : 1/30/2019 2:56 pm : link
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Kaepernick has opportunities to sign with teams  
mattyblue : 1/30/2019 2:59 pm : link
initially but had large contract demands, which I could be remembering wrong. He also wasnít very good. Now years later some people make it like teams are keeping a hall of gamer out of the NFL. Is a backup QB worth the distractions it would cause?
*had  
mattyblue : 1/30/2019 3:00 pm : link
Not has
Here is the gist of it  
Gman11 : 1/30/2019 3:03 pm : link
from USA Today
Goodell - ( New Window )
I use to be on webtv  
Canton : 1/30/2019 3:04 pm : link
But that was back in 1999. Welcome to the future..




Jeff
Kaepernick does not have a job in the NFL  
Mike from Ohio : 1/30/2019 3:13 pm : link
because the distraction he would produce is out of balance with the benefit he provided. The fact of the matter is that he isn't a very good NFL QB.

And for the sake of argument say a team does sign him as a backup. How long until the question is now directed at that organization - "why won't he start?" "why won't you pay him like the top QBs in the league?"

His personal views and opinions are something he is absolutely entitled to. But organizations are also entitled to not take on a media circus for the sake of a backup QB, and that is essentially all he is.
Rooney Rule has nothing to do with Krapernack  
ZogZerg : 1/30/2019 3:14 pm : link
Not sure why you are merging those two thoughts.

I more concerned with why he didn't comment on discipline for the refs. That has had a much bigger impact to the NFL than some crappy QB as they put the wrong team in the Superbowl.
Not a contradiction...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/30/2019 3:14 pm : link
you put in place systemic fixes when the system is broken. A single player not getting a contract is hardly evidence of systemic failure. No systemic fixes like the "Rooney rule" needed.
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arcarsenal : 1/30/2019 3:23 pm : link
How come you're not on webtv anymore? Does webtv exist? What is webtv?
Goodell is so milquetoast...  
bw in dc : 1/30/2019 3:55 pm : link
that I can't even watch him. It's really amazing that he's the commissioner of the biggest sport in our country. He really has no attributes that scream decent leader, let alone great leader.

He is what a puppet leader looks like...

I guess he deserves credit for the league continuing to grow their top-line - frankly, I think that is more Jones, etc - but it's been at the expense of the quality of the product.
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jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 1/30/2019 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14281302 arcarsenal said:
[quote] How come you're not on webtv anymore? Does webtv exist? What is webtv? [/quote

Webtv no longer exists. It was a means to get the internet on your television. It was invented by some Apple people back in the 1990s. Microsoft bought them out, and eventually killed it off.
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madgiantscow009 : 1/30/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14281469 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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In comment 14281302 arcarsenal said:
[quote] How come you're not on webtv anymore? Does webtv exist? What is webtv? [/quote

Webtv no longer exists. It was a means to get the internet on your television. It was invented by some Apple people back in the 1990s. Microsoft bought them out, and eventually killed it off.


would you sign up again if it came back? what would they have to offer?
Goodell can lie with the best of them  
jeff57 : 1/30/2019 7:16 pm : link
Thatís why he gets paid over $40 million a year.
Kaepernick isn't signed ...  
FStubbs : 1/30/2019 8:30 pm : link
... because half the fanbase is Republican and you'd get a less visceral reaction signing a serial killer.

He was good enough to make a roster without a doubt compared to the garbage in the league at QB. Of course, now time away from the game is a legitimate reason not to sign him.

The Rooney rule is necessary. I mean, Steve Wilks getting fired after one year and being replaced by Kliff Kingsbury should be enough to see why.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/30/2019 8:31 pm : link
Holy shit
RE: Kaepernick isn't signed ...  
bw in dc : 1/30/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14281566 FStubbs said:
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... because half the fanbase is Republican and you'd get a less visceral reaction signing a serial killer.

He was good enough to make a roster without a doubt compared to the garbage in the league at QB. Of course, now time away from the game is a legitimate reason not to sign him.

The Rooney rule is necessary. I mean, Steve Wilks getting fired after one year and being replaced by Kliff Kingsbury should be enough to see why.


So it sounds like you want a Rooney Rule Plus.

If a minority is hired he has to stay in the job for X number of years.

How many are you thinking?
Colon Crap-O-Pick doesn't have a job because he sucks and he  
SterlingArcher : 1/30/2019 9:00 pm : link
brings a huge shit show with him that no teams wants to be associated with! It is time to move on from Crap-O-Pick!
the explanation of my comparison of the Rooney rule and Kapernick  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 1/30/2019 9:25 pm : link
As pertaining to Kaepernick, Goodell said one of the best things about the NFL was every team did what was best for itself and would help them win.

So why does that not apply to hiring coaches and front office personnel? Why wouldn't a team hire a minority candidate if that candidate gave them the best chance to win?

And how can you say it is working? The Raiders were going to hire Gruden, no doubt about that, but they were "in compliance" because they interviewed one of their assistants who was NEVER going to get the job.

One year the cowcrap hired Parcells and the Lions hired Mariucci. The cowturds did not get fined because they interviewed Denny Green. The lions got fined because Green turned down their interview because he no longer wanted to be used as a figurehead so a team could say they interviewed a minority. Both teams knew who they were going to hire.

And as for Kaepernick, you cannot tell me that Mark Sanchex gave the wAshington team a better chance to win, at least you cannot tell me that and seriously mean it.
RE: the explanation of my comparison of the Rooney rule and Kapernick  
Dan in the Springs : 1/30/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14281608 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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As pertaining to Kaepernick, Goodell said one of the best things about the NFL was every team did what was best for itself and would help them win.

So why does that not apply to hiring coaches and front office personnel? Why wouldn't a team hire a minority candidate if that candidate gave them the best chance to win?

Um, I think they do. There are minority coaches and front office personnel in the league, no?
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And how can you say it is working? The Raiders were going to hire Gruden, no doubt about that, but they were "in compliance" because they interviewed one of their assistants who was NEVER going to get the job.

The rule was put into place to fix a systemic flaw.
Minority coaches weren't being hired because they weren't getting enough opportunities. When they did get an opportunity, they weren't always prepared for the interviews. The rule changed that by giving minority coaches interview opportunities to grow/learn from the interview process. Read what several have said about how their past interviews helped prepare them for the next time around.

Additionally, there is evidence that it is working by the change in the number of coaches who are minority coaches and front office personnel in the league now compared to when the rule was instituted.
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And as for Kaepernick, you cannot tell me that Mark Sanchex gave the wAshington team a better chance to win, at least you cannot tell me that and seriously mean it.

There are a lot of flaws in this argument, I'll counter it with the simplest of them.

Given CK's views on racism in America, do you REALLY think he would even want to play for a team named the "Redskins"?

C'mon man.
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/30/2019 10:40 pm : link
too many posters think that the backup QB position is a linear progression from starters, so you should have the 33rd-64th best QB's as backups.

That isn't close to how it works. A lot of teams have backups only as insurance policies and are fine going with unproven, young, CHEAP options. They don't want QB controversies. They don't want backups to stir the pot. If they have the luxury, a good aging veteran who is comfortable being a backup is often the best possible fit.

Mark Sanchez wasn't expected to play. He signed on short notice to backup Colt McCoy. For all we know Kaep wasn't interested. We don't even know if the Redskins attempted to contact him. Sanchez was so valuable that he was replaced with Josh Johnson, another QB signed on very short notice.
RE: RE: the explanation of my comparison of the Rooney rule and Kapernick  
madgiantscow009 : 1/30/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14281648 Dan in the Springs said:
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Given CK's views on racism in America, do you REALLY think he would even want to play for a team named the "Redskins"?

C'mon man.


absolutely, that would be his dream come true. think of all the virtue signalling. Standing up to the man is way more lucrative than leading your team to the play-offs.
RE: RE: the explanation of my comparison of the Rooney rule and Kapernick  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 1/31/2019 6:49 am : link
In comment 14281648 Dan in the Springs said:
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In comment 14281608 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:


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As pertaining to Kaepernick, Goodell said one of the best things about the NFL was every team did what was best for itself and would help them win.

So why does that not apply to hiring coaches and front office personnel? Why wouldn't a team hire a minority candidate if that candidate gave them the best chance to win?


Um, I think they do. There are minority coaches and front office personnel in the league, no?


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And how can you say it is working? The Raiders were going to hire Gruden, no doubt about that, but they were "in compliance" because they interviewed one of their assistants who was NEVER going to get the job.



The rule was put into place to fix a systemic flaw.
Minority coaches weren't being hired because they weren't getting enough opportunities. When they did get an opportunity, they weren't always prepared for the interviews. The rule changed that by giving minority coaches interview opportunities to grow/learn from the interview process. Read what several have said about how their past interviews helped prepare them for the next time around.

Additionally, there is evidence that it is working by the change in the number of coaches who are minority coaches and front office personnel in the league now compared to when the rule was instituted.


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And as for Kaepernick, you cannot tell me that Mark Sanchex gave the wAshington team a better chance to win, at least you cannot tell me that and seriously mean it.


There are a lot of flaws in this argument, I'll counter it with the simplest of them.

Given CK's views on racism in America, do you REALLY think he would even want to play for a team named the "Redskins"?

C'mon man.


I don't know whether he would have accepted an offer from that team or not. I do know he has to be better than Mark Sanchez.

And if he turned down that offer because he did not like the team's name, or any other reason, wouldn't that blow his collusion case totally? Even if the Washington "Native Americans" didn't think he would sign, wouldn't an offer to him have helped the league with his lawsuit against them?
RE: Colon Crap-O-Pick doesn't have a job because he sucks and he  
Giantology : 1/31/2019 6:52 am : link
In comment 14281584 SterlingArcher said:
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brings a huge shit show with him that no teams wants to be associated with! It is time to move on from Crap-O-Pick!


LOL CRAP O PICK GOOD 1 LOLLLLL
RE: RE: RE: the explanation of my comparison of the Rooney rule and Kapernick  
section125 : 1/31/2019 7:51 am : link
In comment 14281730 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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And if he turned down that offer because he did not like the team's name, or any other reason, wouldn't that blow his collusion case totally? Even if the Washington "Native Americans" didn't think he would sign, wouldn't an offer to him have helped the league with his lawsuit against them?


Yes, Dan Snyder would make an offer to CK to help the League in the lawsuit. When has Snyder done anything to help the League.
LOL this thread...  
jcn56 : 1/31/2019 12:01 pm : link
RE: Kaepernick isn't signed ...  
GiantGrit : 1/31/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14281566 FStubbs said:
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... because half the fanbase is Republican and you'd get a less visceral reaction signing a serial killer.

He was good enough to make a roster without a doubt compared to the garbage in the league at QB. Of course, now time away from the game is a legitimate reason not to sign him.

The Rooney rule is necessary. I mean, Steve Wilks getting fired after one year and being replaced by Kliff Kingsbury should be enough to see why.


I can't imagine the Arizona Cardinals brass had a meeting and the conclusion was "Even though we hired this African American man, he must be fired, because he is African American". It is a reach. As someone who liked Wilks last year, the reports out of the Arizona beats was he looked lost as the coach.

The Kaepernick topic has been discussed ad nauseum. Implying the Wilks fire was racist is in humble opinion, very idiotic.

With that logic, was there only option to replace him with another African American? a Hispanic? See how silly that sounds?
The question is whether a white coach  
jeff57 : 1/31/2019 1:49 pm : link
Would have been out after one year. And whether a black coach with Kingsbury's resume would have been hired.
Mr. Credibility Gap?  
jeff57 : 1/31/2019 1:50 pm : link
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