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Analysis of Haskins plus comments of Schneier 247 Sports

Defenderdawg : 1/30/2019 3:46 pm
Jon Ledyard (@LedyardNFLDraft)
1/30/19, 12:42 PM
After extensive tape study, I cannot plant my flag on the Dwayne Haskins mountain.

He does some things well as a young passer, but the concerns are too significant for me to be excited about him as a franchise signal caller

2019 NFL DRAFT PLAYER PROFILE: DWAYNE HASKINS
https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/30/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-dwayne-haskins/

Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/30/19, 2:24 PM
Have to best honest w/ Giants fans here who are chomping at the bit for a new QB: I have concerns too w/ Haskins. Rewatching the PSU and Purdue games were troubling. His slow feet are probably my biggest concern. Risky. Jon does a great job diving a bit deeper. Check it out:

Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/30/19, 2:27 PM
You're not crazy. He's not a slam-dunk QB prospect. This is what happens to a fanbase of a team in QB hell. They have to push sometimes and convince themsleves of things that may or may not be there. The more I watch this class, the only who genuinely excites me is Kyler Murray

Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/30/19, 2:29 PM
From a clean pocket, I like what I've seen from an accuracy standpoint. Unfortunately, not every pocket will be clean for him -- especially not on the Giants -- the footwork under pressure and then when asked to escape and create is what scares me. Will have to project w/ him


Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/30/19, 2:30 PM
Agreed but I do think that having slow feet, esp under pressure, is one of those things that is harder to improve on. That was one of those traits Giants fans told me Davis Webb would easily improve when they told me why the team shouldn't draft Darnold/Rosen last year


Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/30/19, 3:01 PM
All year Giants fans talked about moving on from the Eli type of QB who struggles with escaping the pocket, creating off script taking sacks etc. Dwayne Haskins won't exactly eliminate these things fans complained about most. His intermediate accuracy could make up for it though

In terms of improving as season progressed:

Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/30/19, 3:08 PM
He does, but he also isn't faced with any kind of crazy difficult situation at any point. I didn't feel like he was under duress as much as I would have hoped to see/expected vs. UM or UW. Both games, when he was, his ability to make a play off script wasn't what I hoped to seE

Dan Schneier (@DanSchneierNFL)
1/30/19, 3:03 PM
Just on the scheme. I think the best fit for Shurmur's scheme is a player who fits more of the Kyler Murray type skill set wit hthe ability to throw off PA boot and the ability to stretch the seam vertically on vertical routes from the slot. Quick release and short accuracy too
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RE: I get annoyed with this type of analysis.  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/30/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14281357 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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"I looked at player X's 2 worst games and I didn't like what I saw." You can pull that horseshit with anyone including Darnold and Rosen, who the writer mentions. If he says that's a problem he sees after evaluating all of Haskins' games, then fine. But don't just bring up just 2 games.


This^^^. It's as if these guys must be flawless.

I listened to the BB Kickoff this morning from yesterday's show. And one of the guys goes on and on about how Lock did ok in Mobile, but it's more about his tape during the season which suggests he's not 1st round worthy. He then goes on to dog the edge rushers for not having a great week at Mobile and no mention of how they actually played during the season.

As much as I love he lead up to the draft, it is so hard to listen to many "analysts" during the process.
RE: RE: I get annoyed with this type of analysis.  
since1925 : 1/30/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14281393 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14281357 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
Quote:"I looked at player X's 2 worst games and I didn't like what I saw." You can pull that horseshit with anyone including Darnold and Rosen, who the writer mentions. If he says that's a problem he sees after evaluating all of Haskins' games, then fine. But don't just bring up just 2 games.

And in furtherance of that, Penn State was his fifth start and Purdue his eighth. I know he only had 14 career starts, but this is a guy who improved markedly from the beginning of the season to the end, and I think it is reasonable to expect him to struggle in a road game against Penn State in his 5th career start. Incidentally, for as bad as people suggest he was in that game, he threw for 270 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, and led ODU to a road victory over a tough opponent. Not exactly a horrific performance.

Against Purdue - only his eighth start - he had a bad pick six which people remember. He also threw for 470 in that game with multiple TDs and one INT. Yes, I know some of that cane in garbage time.

Look, even in his bad games, Haskins protected the football. And while he is inexperienced and has things to learn, he showed remarkable improvement from the beginning of the season to the end. Thatís the growth you want to see from a young QB, and it suggests he is not nearly done growing as a player. By the end of the season he was scanning the field, manipulating defenders, etc. His best games came at the end of the year against great Ds. If Purdue and PSU got pressure, why couldnít Michigan? Simple - because Haskins read the blitzes and adjusted his blocking. What more could you want from a young QB.

Stop telling me wait til next year. We donít know a thing about the class yet or where we will be picking.


Even worse,he was a one year QB, surrounded by elite talent, who faced zero adversity in his college career. Buyer beware.
RE: As a hypothetical  
Strip-Sack : 1/30/2019 5:05 pm : link
In comment 14281327 Defenderdawg said:
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Bucky Brooks has these players going 1-5 last week

Bosa - Edge
School: Ohio State | Year: Junior
The No. 1 overall pick is reserved for elite players with dynamic skills. Bosa fits the bill as a disruptive pass rusher with exceptional hands and technical skills.

PICK
2
Josh Allen - Edge
School: Kentucky | Year: Senior
Allen would give the 49ers an explosive edge rusher with outstanding first-step quickness and burst.

PICK
3
Quinnen Williams - DT
School: Alabama | Year: Sophomore (RS)
Taking the "BPA" (best player available) has worked out for the Jets under general manager Mike Maccagnan. Williams is a dominant force who would fit nicely beside Leonard Williams on the inside.

PICK
4
Rashan Gary - Edge
School: Michigan | Year: Junior
The Raiders desperately need a blue-chip defender on the front line to harass the prolific passers in the AFC West. Gary is a better athlete than playmaker at this point, but his arrival should boost a pass rush that netted a league-low 13 sacks in 2018.

PICK
5
Devin White - LB
School: LSU | Year: Junior
White's speed, athleticism and playmaking ability would add a dimension to a Bucs defense that struggled to defend the run and pass over the middle.


If that happens, who do you take?


I take Simmons all day long in this scenario.
The Senior Bowl, Combine and other workouts are important,  
Ira : 1/30/2019 5:06 pm : link
but they're just additional info to what players did during the season.
RE: RE: I get annoyed with this type of analysis.  
gmen9892 : 1/30/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14281393 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14281357 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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"I looked at player X's 2 worst games and I didn't like what I saw." You can pull that horseshit with anyone including Darnold and Rosen, who the writer mentions. If he says that's a problem he sees after evaluating all of Haskins' games, then fine. But don't just bring up just 2 games.



And in furtherance of that, Penn State was his fifth start and Purdue his eighth. I know he only had 14 career starts, but this is a guy who improved markedly from the beginning of the season to the end, and I think it is reasonable to expect him to struggle in a road game against Penn State in his 5th career start. Incidentally, for as bad as people suggest he was in that game, he threw for 270 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, and led ODU to a road victory over a tough opponent. Not exactly a horrific performance.

Against Purdue - only his eighth start - he had a bad pick six which people remember. He also threw for 470 in that game with multiple TDs and one INT. Yes, I know some of that cane in garbage time.

Look, even in his bad games, Haskins protected the football. And while he is inexperienced and has things to learn, he showed remarkable improvement from the beginning of the season to the end. Thatís the growth you want to see from a young QB, and it suggests he is not nearly done growing as a player. By the end of the season he was scanning the field, manipulating defenders, etc. His best games came at the end of the year against great Ds. If Purdue and PSU got pressure, why couldnít Michigan? Simple - because Haskins read the blitzes and adjusted his blocking. What more could you want from a young QB.

Stop telling me wait til next year. We donít know a thing about the class yet or where we will be picking.


We know just as much about the 2020 class as we do Haskins. That's the risky part. There is so little game tape to go on. By 2020, you will have about 3 years of game tape to look at for Tua, Fromm and Herbert. You have a bigger sample size to choose from.

The "where we will be picking" part is risky, but if Eli is as bad as everyone thinks he is, we wont have to worry about picking too far back. Gettleman and Co. would have to knock this offseason out of the park (especially defensively) for this team to be picking in the back half of the 1st round.

You will also have 3-4 less teams looking for a QB next year if Lock, Haskins, Jones and Murray are drafted. The Giants would only be contending with a handful of teams that are both worse than them and looking for a QB.
Kylar Murray for me.  
SHO'NUFF : 1/30/2019 5:40 pm : link
I think we should all be shell shocked by "slow feet".
More evidence that this QB class isnít very well though of.  
The_Boss : 1/30/2019 5:42 pm : link
Let someone else draft one of these guys and pay the consequences.
RE: RE: RE: I get annoyed with this type of analysis.  
Giants38 : 1/30/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14281413 gmen9892 said:
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In comment 14281393 Giants38 said:


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In comment 14281357 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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"I looked at player X's 2 worst games and I didn't like what I saw." You can pull that horseshit with anyone including Darnold and Rosen, who the writer mentions. If he says that's a problem he sees after evaluating all of Haskins' games, then fine. But don't just bring up just 2 games.



And in furtherance of that, Penn State was his fifth start and Purdue his eighth. I know he only had 14 career starts, but this is a guy who improved markedly from the beginning of the season to the end, and I think it is reasonable to expect him to struggle in a road game against Penn State in his 5th career start. Incidentally, for as bad as people suggest he was in that game, he threw for 270 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT, and led ODU to a road victory over a tough opponent. Not exactly a horrific performance.

Against Purdue - only his eighth start - he had a bad pick six which people remember. He also threw for 470 in that game with multiple TDs and one INT. Yes, I know some of that cane in garbage time.

Look, even in his bad games, Haskins protected the football. And while he is inexperienced and has things to learn, he showed remarkable improvement from the beginning of the season to the end. Thatís the growth you want to see from a young QB, and it suggests he is not nearly done growing as a player. By the end of the season he was scanning the field, manipulating defenders, etc. His best games came at the end of the year against great Ds. If Purdue and PSU got pressure, why couldnít Michigan? Simple - because Haskins read the blitzes and adjusted his blocking. What more could you want from a young QB.

Stop telling me wait til next year. We donít know a thing about the class yet or where we will be picking.



We know just as much about the 2020 class as we do Haskins. That's the risky part. There is so little game tape to go on. By 2020, you will have about 3 years of game tape to look at for Tua, Fromm and Herbert. You have a bigger sample size to choose from.

The "where we will be picking" part is risky, but if Eli is as bad as everyone thinks he is, we wont have to worry about picking too far back. Gettleman and Co. would have to knock this offseason out of the park (especially defensively) for this team to be picking in the back half of the 1st round.

You will also have 3-4 less teams looking for a QB next year if Lock, Haskins, Jones and Murray are drafted. The Giants would only be contending with a handful of teams that are both worse than them and looking for a QB.


The problem with that is you are assuming that guys like Barkley and ODB donít drag us to 7-8 wins. Miami had Tannehill and Osweiler and navigated their way to 7 wins this season, putting them at 13. If we pick 13th next year, we will not be finding a way to navigate into the top 5, especially of those guys are as good as you think they are.

And thatís the issue. We stink, but fortuitous bounces could lead to us tumbling down the draft board.

Besides, with the way this board nitpicks QBs, theyíll hate all those guys by next draft anyway. Before the 2017 season, Darnold and Rosen were seen as near locks for 1-2, and Allen was not far behind. Fast forward to the end, and everyone was criticizing them. Next year, it will be the same thing. Tua faced no adversity (see Haskins) and when he did he struggled (see Clemson game). Hebert could regress a bit causing people to fly off his bandwagon. Fromm could struggle too, as he did in the LSU and Texas games. Then what? Wait til 2021. And if we donít get the chance to pick Lawrence in 2021? Wait til 2022? When does it end?

You guys are nitpicking the heck out of Haskins. He was dominant. Utterly dominant. But thatís not good enough because he didnít face a ton of adversity? Is that a joke? The guy was awesome, but it doesnít matter because he wasnít getting smashed repeatedly. Dan Orlovsky pointed out some great throws he made while getting hit. Those good enough for you? Apparently not.
RE: More evidence that this QB class isnít very well though of.  
arcarsenal : 1/30/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14281437 The_Boss said:
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Let someone else draft one of these guys and pay the consequences.


This isn't "evidence." It's just someone's opinion.
Guy totally lost me comparing Haskins to Webb  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/30/2019 5:50 pm : link
Webb's biggest problem was he would freeze when progressing through his reads. Hell he could'nt even throw to his first read without any confidence the majority of the time.
I've posted a few times...  
edavisiii : 1/30/2019 5:55 pm : link
I have a friend who coached at the college level, returned to teaching and has former HS players playing in the big ten. Every year he has pics with Harbaugh and Urban M when they visit to recruit. He has spoken to many of the big ten OCs and DCs and he said Haskins looks slow. He has been told he is not a Franchise QB. He has a good arm, build etc. They think he will be a decent pro not great! He is not any more mobile than Eli was coming out of college. We Need a replacement SOON! But we don't want to force it and I do not think DG will think Haskins is the 6th best player in the draft. My guess is we will pick a front 7 guy! I am not an ASSHAT, just a former HS Assistant who knows a few coaches.
You guys..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/30/2019 5:55 pm : link
do realize that 247 basically has people like BBI'ers writing articles, right?

Think about it. You are more likely to get a piece written by EliteMobster than somebody who actually knows what the fuck they are talking about.
More excuses  
ryanmkeane : 1/30/2019 5:55 pm : link
every year why we shouldnít draft a QB. Hell why donít we just wait until 2030 when thereís a 6-6 245 pound QB who can run a 4.4? This notion that we are going to get a perfect prospect is ridiculous. Take a guy based on his projection and leadership qualities at the next level. Haskins has the arm, the work ethic, the background. Now we arenít going to draft him because of a few games where he was poor under pressure? Cool.
This is important to keep in mind over the next 3 months  
Go Terps : 1/30/2019 5:56 pm : link
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This is what happens to a fanbase of a team in QB hell. They have to push sometimes and convince themselves of things that may or may not be there.


This is not a QB class where a guy jumps out as "you have to take this guy at the top of round 1". That was last year's class, and possibly next year's class.

You can already see this narrative being created in preparation for the Giants taking Haskins.
RE: You guys..  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/30/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14281448 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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do realize that 247 basically has people like BBI'ers writing articles, right?

Think about it. You are more likely to get a piece written by EliteMobster than somebody who actually knows what the fuck they are talking about.


I went to read some his stuff. Literally this. Guy has no idea what the fuck he is talking about. He's a Giants fan with a blog that was able to capitalize on search engine optimization. At least that Walter Football guy at least knows the game even if he just makes shit about the teams themselves.
RE: As a hypothetical  
Go Terps : 1/30/2019 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14281327 Defenderdawg said:
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Bucky Brooks has these players going 1-5 last week

Bosa - Edge
School: Ohio State | Year: Junior
The No. 1 overall pick is reserved for elite players with dynamic skills. Bosa fits the bill as a disruptive pass rusher with exceptional hands and technical skills.

PICK
2
Josh Allen - Edge
School: Kentucky | Year: Senior
Allen would give the 49ers an explosive edge rusher with outstanding first-step quickness and burst.

PICK
3
Quinnen Williams - DT
School: Alabama | Year: Sophomore (RS)
Taking the "BPA" (best player available) has worked out for the Jets under general manager Mike Maccagnan. Williams is a dominant force who would fit nicely beside Leonard Williams on the inside.

PICK
4
Rashan Gary - Edge
School: Michigan | Year: Junior
The Raiders desperately need a blue-chip defender on the front line to harass the prolific passers in the AFC West. Gary is a better athlete than playmaker at this point, but his arrival should boost a pass rush that netted a league-low 13 sacks in 2018.

PICK
5
Devin White - LB
School: LSU | Year: Junior
White's speed, athleticism and playmaking ability would add a dimension to a Bucs defense that struggled to defend the run and pass over the middle.


If that happens, who do you take?


In this scenario maybe you take Sweat from Mississippi State.
The draft advisory board gave out 3 1st round grades to QBs.  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/30/2019 6:05 pm : link
Haskins, Murray, and even Jones I thought surprisingly. Probably give Lock a 1st too if they gave grades to seniors. They do not really fuck around and give grades out to guys just because they are QBs. This isn't a situation were you have Bortles going 3rd overall after he received a second round grade. This is a solid QB class without a number 1 pick type QB ala Tua and Lawrence. That is why the media narrative is that this QB class sucks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I get annoyed with this type of analysis.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/30/2019 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14281438 Giants38 said:
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Besides, with the way this board nitpicks QBs, theyíll hate all those guys by next draft anyway.


Bingo.
RE: You guys..  
Diver_Down : 1/30/2019 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14281448 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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do realize that 247 basically has people like BBI'ers writing articles, right?

Think about it. You are more likely to get a piece written by EliteMobster than somebody who actually knows what the fuck they are talking about.


Yup, 247 Sports is trash. My only response to the thread (besides this one) was in regards to the scenario quoted by DefenderDawg.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/30/2019 6:17 pm : link
Now that you said this, I actually think the guy has posted here before!

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I went to read some his stuff. Literally this. Guy has no idea what the fuck he is talking about. He's a Giants fan with a blog that was able to capitalize on search engine optimization


He didn't like it when his shit takes were being challenged.
Iíd probably take either  
Reb8thVA : 1/30/2019 6:20 pm : link
Sweat or Oliver. However, if I took Oliver, Iíd probably look for a ER in the second
Check out this guy's  
Pete in MD : 1/30/2019 6:37 pm : link
article on how great Paul Perkins is (or will be.) Obviously, he has a top notch eye for talent.
Giants breakout star: Paul Perkins has all the tools needed to take the next step - ( New Window )
RE: Check out this guy's  
arcarsenal : 1/30/2019 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14281483 Pete in MD said:
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article on how great Paul Perkins is (or will be.) Obviously, he has a top notch eye for talent. Giants breakout star: Paul Perkins has all the tools needed to take the next step - ( New Window )


Hah!
247 sports  
adamg : 1/30/2019 6:54 pm : link
Is a glorified high school newspaper. I really can't believe how frequently this Dan gets cited on BBI...
The Giants will need to fall in love with a QB  
George from PA : 1/30/2019 7:05 pm : link
The odds are good one of these 3 will be picked
Haskins was bad against Penn State  
joeinpa : 1/30/2019 7:33 pm : link
Until the game was on the line, then he was pretty darn good
RE: It'll never happen, but I'd take Kyler Murray.  
djm : 1/30/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14281380 Brown Recluse said:
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I think he's going to be fine in the NFL and no more or less prone to injury than any other QB.


Iíd like to see how he does in the combine but I think Iím with you there. Murray is too talented and productive to ignore.
Murray has a really slight frame  
ryanmkeane : 1/30/2019 7:54 pm : link
if you think his injury risk is the same as Haskins youíre kidding yourself
White would be my pick  
ryanmkeane : 1/30/2019 7:55 pm : link
if Haskins is gone
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arcarsenal : 1/30/2019 8:46 pm : link
I don't buy that Murray won't be any more likely to get hurt than any other QB. He's going to have to use his legs and athleticism to retain the same effectiveness we saw @ OU in the pros. He's tiny. He'll be the smallest QB to play in the NFL since....

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he measures a tick under 5'9" and 185-190 lbs.

That's very small for a QB and fairly risky.

If the size wasn't a concern, Murray would be the consensus top QB (and maybe even top player) in the class.

I love the skillset - just really don't like the size and don't trust that he'll be able to stay on the football field long-term.
RE: Murray has a really slight frame  
Brown Recluse : 1/30/2019 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14281539 ryanmkeane said:
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if you think his injury risk is the same as Haskins youíre kidding yourself


There isnt any evidence to support the idea that a small QB cant play as well or as long as anyone else. Theres an obvious archetype bias when it comes to size in the NFL but players buck the trend at multiple positions all the time. And Iíve yet to see many (if any) players that are more prone to injury than others ďjust because theyíre smallerĒ.

We wonít know until he steps on the field of course, but as far as Iím concerned - heís never had any major injury issues to this point. I dont see that changing in the NFL. If he gets hurt its more likely to have occured regardless of his size rather than simply because he was smaller.
Until the combine  
blueblood : 1/30/2019 10:13 pm : link
none of these opinions matter..
The guy is right about one thing...  
SHO'NUFF : 1/31/2019 12:00 am : link
Haskins has slow feet and you can't really improve that deficiency. The organization has to realize mobility is more important in today's NFL.
RE: The guy is right about one thing...  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/31/2019 1:09 am : link
In comment 14281707 SHO'NUFF said:
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Haskins has slow feet and you can't really improve that deficiency. The organization has to realize mobility is more important in today's NFL.


Have you ever seen him play? Serious question because his mobility isn't an issue at all. He actually has plus athletic ability for the position. Sometimes I wonder where people get this stuff.
...  
Dodge : 1/31/2019 9:21 am : link
He's writes better content than a majority of the beat writers out there right now. Have any of you read anything from Ranaan or the people from NJ.com recently?

C'mon. Half of them are still complaining we took Barkley over Darnold. And if we had done that and Barkley won the ROTY they would be saying the Giant should have taken him and Darnold is just another failed USC QB.
Now you have  
BIG FRED 1973 : 1/31/2019 10:10 am : link
Paul Dattino saying Haskins is over hyped on his twitter page lmfao. Seriously has he ever seen him play ???How can he make that comment before the combine or his pro day ?? .I swear some of the people that work for the Giants Organization in the media are Shills
RE: ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14281825 Dodge said:
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He's writes better content than a majority of the beat writers out there right now. Have any of you read anything from Ranaan or the people from NJ.com recently?

C'mon. Half of them are still complaining we took Barkley over Darnold. And if we had done that and Barkley won the ROTY they would be saying the Giant should have taken him and Darnold is just another failed USC QB.


What they would have said if the giants took x player doesnt matter for anything though.
RE: Now you have  
arcarsenal : 1/31/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14281899 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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Paul Dattino saying Haskins is over hyped on his twitter page lmfao. Seriously has he ever seen him play ???How can he make that comment before the combine or his pro day ?? .I swear some of the people that work for the Giants Organization in the media are Shills


Dottino is nothing more than a shill and cheerleader.
I don't care who writes it,  
Go Terps : 1/31/2019 12:36 pm : link
the concerns over Haskins's feet being slow and his poise under pressure are legit. It's clear as day.

I wouldn't pick him at #6.

RE: RE: ...  
Dodge : 1/31/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14282063 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14281825 Dodge said:


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He's writes better content than a majority of the beat writers out there right now. Have any of you read anything from Ranaan or the people from NJ.com recently?

C'mon. Half of them are still complaining we took Barkley over Darnold. And if we had done that and Barkley won the ROTY they would be saying the Giant should have taken him and Darnold is just another failed USC QB.



What they would have said if the giants took x player doesnt matter for anything though.


I fail to see the point of your post.
Haskins feet aren't slow. Really have no idea where this is coming  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/31/2019 12:50 pm : link
from. He needs to be more consistent with his footwork and tighten it up. That is a completely different issue and something that is completely coach able.
RE: Now you have  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14281899 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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Paul Dattino saying Haskins is over hyped on his twitter page lmfao. Seriously has he ever seen him play ???How can he make that comment before the combine or his pro day ?? .I swear some of the people that work for the Giants Organization in the media are Shills


Dottino today said again in no way, shape, or form is he taking Haskins in this draft. Finally, something he and I can agree on!
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14282133 Dodge said:
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In comment 14282063 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 14281825 Dodge said:


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He's writes better content than a majority of the beat writers out there right now. Have any of you read anything from Ranaan or the people from NJ.com recently?

C'mon. Half of them are still complaining we took Barkley over Darnold. And if we had done that and Barkley won the ROTY they would be saying the Giant should have taken him and Darnold is just another failed USC QB.



What they would have said if the giants took x player doesnt matter for anything though.



I fail to see the point of your post.


The point is who cares what newspapers say? You're pointing out that writers would have hated what the giants did no matter who they picked.
RE: I don't care who writes it,  
arcarsenal : 1/31/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14282115 Go Terps said:
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the concerns over Haskins's feet being slow and his poise under pressure are legit. It's clear as day.

I wouldn't pick him at #6.


His feet aren't that slow and he got considerably better as the year wore on.

How poised do you expect a first year starter to be early in his first season? If we're unwilling to take any QB who has any flaw, we're never going to have a new one.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/31/2019 2:39 pm : link
Once again, we have a Super Bowl with two pure pocket passers. Just like we had last year. And the year before. And almost every year with very few exceptions.

And people are still hung up on looking for a gadget QB who is going to need to run all over the field to be effective.

I don't get it.
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Go Terps : 1/31/2019 2:50 pm : link
I don't expect Haskins to be the perfect QB, but that also doesn't make him worth the pick at #6. There are edge rushers in this draft that are better players...better bets...than Haskins is.

I'm not opposed to adding a QB in this draft. But there isn't a guy there that's worth it at #6. I'm not sure Haskins is that much better a prospect than the guys that will be available when we pick in round 2. I definitely don't think he's the type of guy you should draft at #6.

Is Haskins at #6 a better pick than Stidham at #35? Or Tyree Jackson in round 4 or 5? I don't think so. If Haskins falls to us in round 2, I'd take him there. But at the top of the draft? No way.
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arcarsenal : 1/31/2019 3:04 pm : link
I think Tyree Jackson has good odds of being another waste-pick QB like Nassib, Webb and probably Lauletta - so I'd prefer to not keep drafting them in that window. It's not working for us.

If there's a better edge rusher there @ 6, I'm fine with that. If Josh Allen somehow winds up there, I'm good with taking him. ER is a huge, huge need here - we all agree on that I think.

Hell, if they want to take Jonah Williams @ 6 - I'm fine with that too.

Haskins definitely won't be there in the 2nd round though - I think the vast majority of scouts have/will have him as their top QB in this class which I agree with. I think he's the best QB prospect. He has a lot of room to grow still - he showed improvement as the year went on and had a monster year.

Yes, he has question marks and concerns - every QB is going to whether it's Drew Lock looking like the next Jay Cutler, Kyler Murray's size, Daniel Jones' program and seemingly lack of plus tools anywhere, Grier's arm being too weak... we'll do it with any consideration.

Haskins has the talent base I am looking for - I think he can grow into a very good NFL QB. He has the arm, the size, the short/mid range accuracy and will be able to make accurate deep throws as well once his footwork improves.

He can evade rushers here and there if he needs to. He's really not as slow as Brady or Eli who I kind of call "quicksand pocket passers" because it's hard for them to really get out of the pocket without being caught quickly.

But, things will change more after the combine and a lot of things still need to come into focus with this QB class. As of now, I still really like Haskins and if we are going to take a QB in this draft - he's the guy I want.
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Brown Recluse : 1/31/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14282301 arcarsenal said:
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Once again, we have a Super Bowl with two pure pocket passers. Just like we had last year. And the year before. And almost every year with very few exceptions.

And people are still hung up on looking for a gadget QB who is going to need to run all over the field to be effective.

I don't get it.


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Dodge : 1/31/2019 4:39 pm : link
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He's writes better content than a majority of the beat writers out there right now. Have any of you read anything from Ranaan or the people from NJ.com recently?

C'mon. Half of them are still complaining we took Barkley over Darnold. And if we had done that and Barkley won the ROTY they would be saying the Giant should have taken him and Darnold is just another failed USC QB.



What they would have said if the giants took x player doesnt matter for anything though.



I fail to see the point of your post.



The point is who cares what newspapers say? You're pointing out that writers would have hated what the giants did no matter who they picked.


People were trashing Schneier's writing. I was merely stating that it's as good if not better than what's out there with "legit" platforms.
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Bluesbreaker : 1/31/2019 6:35 pm : link
to be sold on him . When you see the negative and intangibles
I just don't see it with him and likely haven't seen him perform under duress . He is accurate but its like a lot of
quick throws to the sidelines . He is not athletic really .
Unless someone wants to move up and give us a boatload of
picks than I think we stay put . I hope Josh Allen is there
or Ferrell but its just to hard to say at this point .
Too much defense to be had IMO .
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