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HERP DERP: Would you trade Barkley for Wentz?

FStubbs : 1/30/2019 7:33 pm
Under this scenario, the Eagles decide that their team works better with Foles at QB, and, for whatever reason, decide the Giants would make a good trading partner, and offer Wentz straight up for Barkley. Do you pull the trigger?
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Barkley  
Geno 78 : 1/30/2019 7:35 pm : link
You must be kidding
Why  
section125 : 1/30/2019 7:36 pm : link
would you do that? Why would the Eagles do that?
Is Wentz 100%?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/30/2019 7:36 pm : link
If so, yes. And I love Saquon.
Are you out of your mind?  
JCin332 : 1/30/2019 7:37 pm : link
Holy crap this place has gone off the deep end...
NO  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/30/2019 7:37 pm : link
.
Holy shit  
B in ALB : 1/30/2019 7:39 pm : link
When will the idiocy stop?

Never, I'm sure.
It's not an absurd ? if  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/30/2019 7:41 pm : link
Wentz is 100%. QB is a much more important position than RB. And Wentz was an MVP candidate in '17 before his injury.
I'd throw in a few draft picks too  
Default : 1/30/2019 7:42 pm : link
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No way  
Go Terps : 1/30/2019 7:46 pm : link
Besides Wentz's injuries being an issue, why would we trade for a QB who's about to ask for $35M a year? I don't think people think about the cost enough.

We'd get better value trading a 3rd rounder for Kyle Sloter.
Nope.  
Diver_Down : 1/30/2019 7:46 pm : link
Wentz is a ginger with no soul.
RE: Holy shit  
Beer Man : 1/30/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14281524 B in ALB said:
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When will the idiocy stop?

Never, I'm sure.
+1, smh
RE: It's not an absurd ? if  
B in ALB : 1/30/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14281526 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Wentz is 100%. QB is a much more important position than RB. And Wentz was an MVP candidate in '17 before his injury.


If?

We already know he's not right.

Why am I even discussing this? Jfc!
As a Giants fan,  
Go Terps : 1/30/2019 7:50 pm : link
the headline I want to see on my news feed is "Eagles sign Wentz to 5 year, $160M extension". That's the end of the Eagles as an NFL power, and opens up the division.
To quote Spinal Tap...  
Britt in VA : 1/30/2019 7:53 pm : link
"They are treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry."
Interesting idea  
WideRight : 1/30/2019 7:56 pm : link
but when you think about the marginal benefit, the updgrade from Eli to Wentz, in the setting of a poor O-line, keeping Barkley gives us a better chance to win
I'd give them OBJ instead  
Stan in LA : 1/30/2019 8:06 pm : link
And call it a day.
no and  
RedZone88 : 1/30/2019 8:13 pm : link
no
Um  
mattlawson : 1/30/2019 8:15 pm : link
FUCK NO
No  
Rjanyg : 1/30/2019 8:17 pm : link
Next question
some of you guys are too easily offended  
Jerz44 : 1/30/2019 8:24 pm : link
its the off season for the giants, what else is there to talk about at this point except pointless, fun questions like this?

it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.

Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.

I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?
No, but only because of  
CT Charlie : 1/30/2019 8:25 pm : link
Wentz's injuries.

Barkley as a running back is stupendous, whereas Wentz is merely very good, but Wentz is a proven top-10 NFL QB, which is more than we can say about any QB from the class of 2018, 2019 or 2020 with the possible exception of Mayfield. The dropoff from Barkley to Gallman is huge, but the dropoff even from Current-Eli to Unknown Successor would likely be even bigger in terms of its impact on the team.

But I wouldn't make the trade because of Wentz's injury history.
RE: some of you guys are too easily offended  
FStubbs : 1/30/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14281560 Jerz44 said:
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its the off season for the giants, what else is there to talk about at this point except pointless, fun questions like this?

it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.

Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.

I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?


This. Good grief I even tagged it "HERP DERP" because it's a fun silly little what if.

Some of you guys need to go out and learn how to enjoy life. There are a lot of serious things out there but this isn't it.
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arcarsenal : 1/30/2019 8:37 pm : link
No chance.

I'm going to give up a generational-level RB for a QB who has been unable to finish 2 of his first 3 seasons and will need a hefty contract within 2 years just to even keep him around?

Huge pass. The Giants would be better off signing Foles, and I am of the belief that would be an awful move as it is.
Oh hell no...  
GFAN52 : 1/30/2019 8:38 pm : link
No  
Sean : 1/30/2019 8:46 pm : link
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Of course...  
bw in dc : 1/30/2019 8:49 pm : link
Wentz, obviously, would need to prove he’s a clean bill of health.

But he’s only 26 and has proven he’s an MVP caliber player. Hell, you’d get him for at least ten more years.

Running backs are easy to find, and considerably cheaper. Barkley will be lucky if he plays five good years.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/30/2019 8:51 pm : link
Adrian Peterson just rushed for 1000+ yards at age 33.

It's going to take a significant injury for Barkley to be "lucky" to have 5 good years. Cmon.
Wentz is a proven franchise qb. if healthy , it's a no brainer  
gtt350 : 1/30/2019 8:54 pm : link
you make the trade and within the first three picks you draft a running back
Put the pipe down and back away slowly!  
SterlingArcher : 1/30/2019 8:54 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 1/30/2019 9:00 pm : link
In fact, the guy who is going to be lucky to play 5 good years right now is actually Carson Wentz.

Back injuries are serious and that he's failed to finish each of the last 2 years now is a major concern.

"If healthy" isn't a consideration because he's not healthy. This thread doesn't exist if Wentz had made it through the first 3 years and was the guy under center when the Eagles beat the Patriots last year.

The idea is they'd be moving him because he's damaged goods and would opt to keep Foles instead. We'd be taking on significant risk and it wouldn't be a good move for the Giants to make.

It's easy to find a good RB - it's not easy to find a great one. Saquon Barkley isn't a run of the mill RB.
RE: No way  
mrvax : 1/30/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14281530 Go Terps said:
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Besides Wentz's injuries being an issue, why would we trade for a QB who's about to ask for $35M a year? I don't think people think about the cost enough.

We'd get better value trading a 3rd rounder for Kyle Sloter.


I'd take that except Beal cost us our 3rd. Maybe a 4th and a 5th?
Barkley for Bunchy Donovan?  
Boy Cord : 1/30/2019 9:01 pm : link
I’ll keep Barkley.
Arc well said  
gtt350 : 1/30/2019 9:09 pm : link
mea culpa
RE: .  
bw in dc : 1/30/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14281577 arcarsenal said:
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Adrian Peterson just rushed for 1000+ yards at age 33.

It's going to take a significant injury for Barkley to be "lucky" to have 5 good years. Cmon.


And remind how many times a 33 year old has run for 1K yards? Believe me, that is more of a Haley's Comet accomplishment for RBs...

Look, you know I how I feel about RBs. I believe they grow on trees.

I'm assuming health for Wentz. And that the five top Ortho & Neuro doctors I've hired have cleared Wentz.



This is as absurd as  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 1/30/2019 9:12 pm : link
Musing that Bo Levi Mitchell might be the Giants’ next franchise WB.
*QB  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 1/30/2019 9:12 pm : link
fat fingers
I think the Eagles have proven...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/30/2019 9:41 pm : link
that you can win a SB with a QB < Wentz in Foles. The key is building up the roster in other areas and have good coaching (and catch some breaks along the way).

I'd much rather keep the easiest guy to root for in the league and build my roster around him. If the best you can do at QB >= Foles you're able to contend for a championship.

In other words, Foles has deflated a LOT of the argument that getting an MVP level QB is necessary to win a Super Bowl, so why give up a potential HOF piece for a (maybe) MVP level QB.

And who knows, maybe Saquon is in the running for MVP himself someday soon...
No. Wentz is hurt all the time.  
St. Jimmy : 1/30/2019 9:42 pm : link
Missed time two of the last three seasons and the season he played all 16 games he missed the preseason because he was hurt in the first preseason game. He was also injured in his senior year. He also has a knack for failing to lead the team down the field to win games when trailing or tied during the last possession. He has done it twice in his career against the Giants both for field goals one of which was 63 yards and involved a 15 yard completio6where Eli Apple ran into Janoris Jenkins who would have at worst broken up the pass if it wasn't a pick 6.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/30/2019 9:57 pm : link
so absurd.

Barkley will be lucky to have 5 good years, while Wentz has missed an entire season of games already.

But RB's grow on trees and Wentz is special...
The offseason  
blueblood : 1/30/2019 10:12 pm : link
gives some of us too much time to think... about all the wrong stuff..
RE: LOL..  
B in ALB : 1/30/2019 10:41 pm : link
In comment 14281636 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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so absurd.

Barkley will be lucky to have 5 good years, while Wentz has missed an entire season of games already.

But RB's grow on trees and Wentz is special...


Pffft. You need to learn to enjoy life.
RE: .  
Eman11 : 1/30/2019 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14281583 arcarsenal said:
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In fact, the guy who is going to be lucky to play 5 good years right now is actually Carson Wentz.

Back injuries are serious and that he's failed to finish each of the last 2 years now is a major concern.

"If healthy" isn't a consideration because he's not healthy. This thread doesn't exist if Wentz had made it through the first 3 years and was the guy under center when the Eagles beat the Patriots last year.

The idea is they'd be moving him because he's damaged goods and would opt to keep Foles instead. We'd be taking on significant risk and it wouldn't be a good move for the Giants to make.

It's easy to find a good RB - it's not easy to find a great one. Saquon Barkley isn't a run of the mill RB.


Totally agree arc. SB is in that rarified air when it comes to RBs.

As for Wentz, it's been going on five years since Wentz was completely healthy. He injured his wrist his senior season and missed games, then ribs during the summer of his rookie year, the knee and now back.

I'm gonna have to see him actually be healthy for a full season before I believe he can do it.

The Giants need a quarterback so as not to waste the talents of  
GeofromNJ : 1/30/2019 10:52 pm : link
Barkley and OBJ. Trading Barkley for qb doesn't make a lot of sense. I would trade a 1st round pick for a qb, but not an elite player that is already on the roster.
RE: Holy shit  
81_Great_Dane : 1/30/2019 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14281524 B in ALB said:
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When will the idiocy stop?

Never, I'm sure.
Hey, it's offseason, it's a football forum, IMO there's nothing wrong with a guy posting this.

It's not an insane topic for conversation. My first thought was "No fuckin' way," but then I thought about it and realized it's not a crazy idea, if the teams would both do it and the money worked.

I'm not saying it's a good idea (it's not) but it's not a crazy idea.

Wentz looks like a franchise QB, but has been hurt a lot. Barkley is, well, Barkley. I don't think either team would do it. And in answer to the OP's question: No, I wouldn't do it. But it's kind of a fun thing to kick around.
Yeah, I know there's one more game  
81_Great_Dane : 1/30/2019 11:01 pm : link
but it's Giants' offseason.
RE: The Giants need a quarterback so as not to waste the talents of  
Johnny5 : 1/30/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14281680 GeofromNJ said:
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Barkley and OBJ. Trading Barkley for qb doesn't make a lot of sense. I would trade a 1st round pick for a qb, but not an elite player that is already on the roster.

Actually what they need right at this moment is better OL play. If they had that we're not even having this discussion.
RE: RE: Holy shit  
B in ALB : 1/30/2019 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14281686 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 14281524 B in ALB said:


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When will the idiocy stop?

Never, I'm sure.

Hey, it's offseason, it's a football forum, IMO there's nothing wrong with a guy posting this.

It's not an insane topic for conversation. My first thought was "No fuckin' way," but then I thought about it and realized it's not a crazy idea, if the teams would both do it and the money worked.

I'm not saying it's a good idea (it's not) but it's not a crazy idea.

Wentz looks like a franchise QB, but has been hurt a lot. Barkley is, well, Barkley. I don't think either team would do it. And in answer to the OP's question: No, I wouldn't do it. But it's kind of a fun thing to kick around.


Yeah if you live in fantasy land. Or a mental institution.
RE: some of you guys are too easily offended  
DonQuixote : 1/31/2019 3:48 am : link
In comment 14281560 Jerz44 said:
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its the off season for the giants, what else is there to talk about at this point except pointless, fun questions like this?

it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.

Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.

I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?


Totally agree, It's an interesting/amusing question.
If Wentz agrees to a reasonable extention  
Andy in Halifax : 1/31/2019 8:25 am : link
I would. But he'd have to be okay leaving money on the table to build the roster.

He'll no  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/31/2019 9:09 am : link
Bbi wants to trade Barkley and our 1st round pick for Rosen.
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