Under this scenario, the Eagles decide that their team works better with Foles at QB, and, for whatever reason, decide the Giants would make a good trading partner, and offer Wentz straight up for Barkley. Do you pull the trigger?
Besides Wentz's injuries being an issue, why would we trade for a QB who's about to ask for $35M a year? I don't think people think about the cost enough.
We'd get better value trading a 3rd rounder for Kyle Sloter.
the headline I want to see on my news feed is "Eagles sign Wentz to 5 year, $160M extension". That's the end of the Eagles as an NFL power, and opens up the division.
but when you think about the marginal benefit, the updgrade from Eli to Wentz, in the setting of a poor O-line, keeping Barkley gives us a better chance to win
its the off season for the giants, what else is there to talk about at this point except pointless, fun questions like this?
it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.
Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.
I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?
Barkley as a running back is stupendous, whereas Wentz is merely very good, but Wentz is a proven top-10 NFL QB, which is more than we can say about any QB from the class of 2018, 2019 or 2020 with the possible exception of Mayfield. The dropoff from Barkley to Gallman is huge, but the dropoff even from Current-Eli to Unknown Successor would likely be even bigger in terms of its impact on the team.
But I wouldn't make the trade because of Wentz's injury history.
its the off season for the giants, what else is there to talk about at this point except pointless, fun questions like this?
it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.
Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.
I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?
This. Good grief I even tagged it "HERP DERP" because it's a fun silly little what if.
Some of you guys need to go out and learn how to enjoy life. There are a lot of serious things out there but this isn't it.
I'm going to give up a generational-level RB for a QB who has been unable to finish 2 of his first 3 seasons and will need a hefty contract within 2 years just to even keep him around?
Huge pass. The Giants would be better off signing Foles, and I am of the belief that would be an awful move as it is.
In fact, the guy who is going to be lucky to play 5 good years right now is actually Carson Wentz.
Back injuries are serious and that he's failed to finish each of the last 2 years now is a major concern.
"If healthy" isn't a consideration because he's not healthy. This thread doesn't exist if Wentz had made it through the first 3 years and was the guy under center when the Eagles beat the Patriots last year.
The idea is they'd be moving him because he's damaged goods and would opt to keep Foles instead. We'd be taking on significant risk and it wouldn't be a good move for the Giants to make.
It's easy to find a good RB - it's not easy to find a great one. Saquon Barkley isn't a run of the mill RB.
Besides Wentz's injuries being an issue, why would we trade for a QB who's about to ask for $35M a year? I don't think people think about the cost enough.
We'd get better value trading a 3rd rounder for Kyle Sloter.
I'd take that except Beal cost us our 3rd. Maybe a 4th and a 5th?
that you can win a SB with a QB < Wentz in Foles. The key is building up the roster in other areas and have good coaching (and catch some breaks along the way).
I'd much rather keep the easiest guy to root for in the league and build my roster around him. If the best you can do at QB >= Foles you're able to contend for a championship.
In other words, Foles has deflated a LOT of the argument that getting an MVP level QB is necessary to win a Super Bowl, so why give up a potential HOF piece for a (maybe) MVP level QB.
And who knows, maybe Saquon is in the running for MVP himself someday soon...
Missed time two of the last three seasons and the season he played all 16 games he missed the preseason because he was hurt in the first preseason game. He was also injured in his senior year. He also has a knack for failing to lead the team down the field to win games when trailing or tied during the last possession. He has done it twice in his career against the Giants both for field goals one of which was 63 yards and involved a 15 yard completio6where Eli Apple ran into Janoris Jenkins who would have at worst broken up the pass if it wasn't a pick 6.
In fact, the guy who is going to be lucky to play 5 good years right now is actually Carson Wentz.
Back injuries are serious and that he's failed to finish each of the last 2 years now is a major concern.
"If healthy" isn't a consideration because he's not healthy. This thread doesn't exist if Wentz had made it through the first 3 years and was the guy under center when the Eagles beat the Patriots last year.
The idea is they'd be moving him because he's damaged goods and would opt to keep Foles instead. We'd be taking on significant risk and it wouldn't be a good move for the Giants to make.
It's easy to find a good RB - it's not easy to find a great one. Saquon Barkley isn't a run of the mill RB.
Totally agree arc. SB is in that rarified air when it comes to RBs.
As for Wentz, it's been going on five years since Wentz was completely healthy. He injured his wrist his senior season and missed games, then ribs during the summer of his rookie year, the knee and now back.
I'm gonna have to see him actually be healthy for a full season before I believe he can do it.
The Giants need a quarterback so as not to waste the talents of Â
Barkley and OBJ. Trading Barkley for qb doesn't make a lot of sense. I would trade a 1st round pick for a qb, but not an elite player that is already on the roster.
Hey, it's offseason, it's a football forum, IMO there's nothing wrong with a guy posting this.
It's not an insane topic for conversation. My first thought was "No fuckin' way," but then I thought about it and realized it's not a crazy idea, if the teams would both do it and the money worked.
I'm not saying it's a good idea (it's not) but it's not a crazy idea.
Wentz looks like a franchise QB, but has been hurt a lot. Barkley is, well, Barkley. I don't think either team would do it. And in answer to the OP's question: No, I wouldn't do it. But it's kind of a fun thing to kick around.
Barkley and OBJ. Trading Barkley for qb doesn't make a lot of sense. I would trade a 1st round pick for a qb, but not an elite player that is already on the roster.
Actually what they need right at this moment is better OL play. If they had that we're not even having this discussion.
Hey, it's offseason, it's a football forum, IMO there's nothing wrong with a guy posting this.
It's not an insane topic for conversation. My first thought was "No fuckin' way," but then I thought about it and realized it's not a crazy idea, if the teams would both do it and the money worked.
I'm not saying it's a good idea (it's not) but it's not a crazy idea.
Wentz looks like a franchise QB, but has been hurt a lot. Barkley is, well, Barkley. I don't think either team would do it. And in answer to the OP's question: No, I wouldn't do it. But it's kind of a fun thing to kick around.
Yeah if you live in fantasy land. Or a mental institution.
its the off season for the giants, what else is there to talk about at this point except pointless, fun questions like this?
it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.
Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.
I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?
Totally agree, It's an interesting/amusing question.
Never, I'm sure.
We'd get better value trading a 3rd rounder for Kyle Sloter.
Never, I'm sure.
If?
We already know he's not right.
Why am I even discussing this? Jfc!
it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.
Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.
I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?
Barkley as a running back is stupendous, whereas Wentz is merely very good, but Wentz is a proven top-10 NFL QB, which is more than we can say about any QB from the class of 2018, 2019 or 2020 with the possible exception of Mayfield. The dropoff from Barkley to Gallman is huge, but the dropoff even from Current-Eli to Unknown Successor would likely be even bigger in terms of its impact on the team.
But I wouldn't make the trade because of Wentz's injury history.
it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.
Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.
I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?
This. Good grief I even tagged it "HERP DERP" because it's a fun silly little what if.
Some of you guys need to go out and learn how to enjoy life. There are a lot of serious things out there but this isn't it.
I'm going to give up a generational-level RB for a QB who has been unable to finish 2 of his first 3 seasons and will need a hefty contract within 2 years just to even keep him around?
Huge pass. The Giants would be better off signing Foles, and I am of the belief that would be an awful move as it is.
But he’s only 26 and has proven he’s an MVP caliber player. Hell, you’d get him for at least ten more years.
Running backs are easy to find, and considerably cheaper. Barkley will be lucky if he plays five good years.
It's going to take a significant injury for Barkley to be "lucky" to have 5 good years. Cmon.
Back injuries are serious and that he's failed to finish each of the last 2 years now is a major concern.
"If healthy" isn't a consideration because he's not healthy. This thread doesn't exist if Wentz had made it through the first 3 years and was the guy under center when the Eagles beat the Patriots last year.
The idea is they'd be moving him because he's damaged goods and would opt to keep Foles instead. We'd be taking on significant risk and it wouldn't be a good move for the Giants to make.
It's easy to find a good RB - it's not easy to find a great one. Saquon Barkley isn't a run of the mill RB.
We'd get better value trading a 3rd rounder for Kyle Sloter.
I'd take that except Beal cost us our 3rd. Maybe a 4th and a 5th?
It's going to take a significant injury for Barkley to be "lucky" to have 5 good years. Cmon.
And remind how many times a 33 year old has run for 1K yards? Believe me, that is more of a Haley's Comet accomplishment for RBs...
Look, you know I how I feel about RBs. I believe they grow on trees.
I'm assuming health for Wentz. And that the five top Ortho & Neuro doctors I've hired have cleared Wentz.
I'd much rather keep the easiest guy to root for in the league and build my roster around him. If the best you can do at QB >= Foles you're able to contend for a championship.
In other words, Foles has deflated a LOT of the argument that getting an MVP level QB is necessary to win a Super Bowl, so why give up a potential HOF piece for a (maybe) MVP level QB.
And who knows, maybe Saquon is in the running for MVP himself someday soon...
Barkley will be lucky to have 5 good years, while Wentz has missed an entire season of games already.
But RB's grow on trees and Wentz is special...
Barkley will be lucky to have 5 good years, while Wentz has missed an entire season of games already.
But RB's grow on trees and Wentz is special...
Pffft. You need to learn to enjoy life.
Back injuries are serious and that he's failed to finish each of the last 2 years now is a major concern.
"If healthy" isn't a consideration because he's not healthy. This thread doesn't exist if Wentz had made it through the first 3 years and was the guy under center when the Eagles beat the Patriots last year.
The idea is they'd be moving him because he's damaged goods and would opt to keep Foles instead. We'd be taking on significant risk and it wouldn't be a good move for the Giants to make.
It's easy to find a good RB - it's not easy to find a great one. Saquon Barkley isn't a run of the mill RB.
Totally agree arc. SB is in that rarified air when it comes to RBs.
As for Wentz, it's been going on five years since Wentz was completely healthy. He injured his wrist his senior season and missed games, then ribs during the summer of his rookie year, the knee and now back.
I'm gonna have to see him actually be healthy for a full season before I believe he can do it.
Never, I'm sure.
It's not an insane topic for conversation. My first thought was "No fuckin' way," but then I thought about it and realized it's not a crazy idea, if the teams would both do it and the money worked.
I'm not saying it's a good idea (it's not) but it's not a crazy idea.
Wentz looks like a franchise QB, but has been hurt a lot. Barkley is, well, Barkley. I don't think either team would do it. And in answer to the OP's question: No, I wouldn't do it. But it's kind of a fun thing to kick around.
Actually what they need right at this moment is better OL play. If they had that we're not even having this discussion.
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When will the idiocy stop?
Never, I'm sure.
Hey, it's offseason, it's a football forum, IMO there's nothing wrong with a guy posting this.
It's not an insane topic for conversation. My first thought was "No fuckin' way," but then I thought about it and realized it's not a crazy idea, if the teams would both do it and the money worked.
I'm not saying it's a good idea (it's not) but it's not a crazy idea.
Wentz looks like a franchise QB, but has been hurt a lot. Barkley is, well, Barkley. I don't think either team would do it. And in answer to the OP's question: No, I wouldn't do it. But it's kind of a fun thing to kick around.
Yeah if you live in fantasy land. Or a mental institution.
it's interesting, cause my buddy who's an eagles fan asked me if I'd do this straight up.
Probably not, cause I don't think Wentz is gonna ever be what they thought he'd be in 17. An MVP caliber QB is still the most important role in the game, though, so it'd be an interesting question.
I wonder if the Giants did offer this to the Eagles what would do?
Totally agree, It's an interesting/amusing question.