Last week I was able to share some thoughts as to why Daniel Jones is not our QB of the futre. This week let's have a look at Drew Lock.
We've all heard some rumors that the Giants are "obsessed" with Lock, however this may be a cause for "alarm", if this is true, and here is why...
Whenever I look at a QB, I try to see how he stacks up when his other peers play against the same defenses that he does.
What do the numbers show when they all played against South Carolina...
- Drew Lock - 17/36 47.2% 204 Yards 0 TD 2 Int 83.7 QBR
- Jake Fromm 15/18 83.3% 194 Yards 1 TD 1 Int 181.1 QBR
- Trevor lawrence 27/36 75.0% 393 Yards 1 TD 0 Int 175 QBR
As you can see, Lock is almost 40 points lower in completion percentage to Fromm, about 100 points lower in QBR compared to Fromm and Lawrence.
He needed about 20 more passes to throw the same amount of yardage as Fromm, and was almost 200 yards less in passing to Lawrence, while throwing the same amount of throws. He clearly was the worst QB against the same competition.
Now how does Lock stand up to the others when they played against Alabama? One of the best college football teams...
- Drew Lock 13/26 50.0% 142 Yards 1 TD 2 Int 93.2 QBR
- Kyler Murray 19/37 51.4% 308 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 139.1 QBR
- Jake Fromm 25/39 64.1% 301 Yards 3 TD 0 Int 154.3 QBR
- Trevor Lawrence 20/32 62.5% 347 Yards 3 TD 0 Int 184.5 QBR
As you can see, Lock failed again, he was the worst QB out of the four.
He was 14 points lower in completion percentage to Fromm, threw 2 more Int's then everybody else, was 70-100 points lower in QBR to Fromm and Lawrence, yet threw for 150-200 yards less then Lawrence and Fromm.
Does Lock have arm talent? Yes he does, but that doesn't make a QB Great. He is not good out of the pocket, he doesn't throw the ball well when you roll him out.
He also holds on to the ball to long, is not good under pressure, and not very mobile. This is not our QB of the future.
We need a Great, Great QB, and Lock, like Jones is not it.
I'll share soon who I do feel is going to be a star on the next level...
Feel free to discuss.
Statistics
Sample sizes
Functionality
Analytics
Research
Technology
Against a team, that is
I mean you realize that star players don't play in every game, right?
Defensive players don't play, defensive players get injured and aren't 100%, defensive schemes change based on the offense they're going against, there's garbage duty, defenses give up, defenses play more to stop the run than the pass...
And not every QB will have a stellar game each game he plays. And sometimes, a shitty QB will play well against a good defense.
In 2012, Aaron Rodgers had a stat line of 219 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 56% comp. percentage.
Two week prior? Andy Dalton threw 4 TDs against the Giants.
Would anyone say Dalton was/is better than Rodgers?
In that same year,
How many 4 and 5 star players does Missouri have?
And when you get that, assuming you can, compare that number to the number of 4 and 5 star players Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson have.
It may add some perspective to your analysis.
And there was torrential downpour in the Missouri South Carolina game. Again, variables matter.
I don’t know if the Giants will draft a QB this year, next year, first round, second round but you can’t really compare one to the next. You give a guy a grade and that’s that. It doesn’t matter if it’s a good or bad draft class, when it’s your turn you are looking at 1 player. Is he good enough to play in the NFL? Do the befits our weight the risks? etc..
Hey Matt! Hope you're doing well, my friend.
Phase Three: PROFITS
YESSSSSSSSSS
But go ahead and hold out hope for the Clemson kid or the Bama kid. Let me know how that works out for you.
Makes me almost yearn for JerseyJoe's weekly "7 Ways the Giants Need to Improve" threads.
This schuck is actually a lot like JerseyJoe - thinks he is doing analysis, when it isn't that at all. It's an opinion and usually not even a good one at that.
Makes me almost yearn for JerseyJoe's weekly "7 Ways the Giants Need to Improve" threads.
This schuck is actually a lot like JerseyJoe - thinks he is doing analysis, when it isn't that at all. It's an opinion and usually not even a good one at that.
Perhaps he is JJ?
Pass 24/31 253 8.2 2 0 86.4
Rush 18 92 5.1 0 32
Pass 28/39 464 11.9 5 2 78.9
Rush 14 98 7.0 0 20
Who is this? 1st round bust Johnny Manziel. Guys have great numbers in college, but sometimes it just doesn't translate to the next level. Playing in the NFL, especially QB, requires you to be headstrong and wired tightly upstairs. Johnny didn't have it. Personally I like Jones and Haskins. Who knows? They could flame out in a year (and I'm not trying to jinx anyone). Numbers are nice, but it's the game film the scouts and GMs need to see, the interviews of players, and the coaching system of the team that would give a good determination of where they will land and how far they CAN go in the league.
Makes me almost yearn for JerseyJoe's weekly "7 Ways the Giants Need to Improve" threads.
This schuck is actually a lot like JerseyJoe - thinks he is doing analysis, when it isn't that at all. It's an opinion and usually not even a good one at that.
He has to be trolling at this point. There's no other explanation even though this is a huge waste of time for a troll job.
Thank you
Other then that great job.
vs Kentucky '17
Good
Quick Game Placement
slant 4:15 ish mark
+low, quick release
Poor on Out Route in Scat
right after big TD (next possession)
footwork solid (pointing to target, knee flex)
just misses wide
Hitch in Hoss
++timing (best anticipation throw of day)
placement good
FBI in Zone Read
able to make simple reads pre-snap
this is obvious but like the urgency when he sees a situation
5ish mark, vs 2 deep with */NB CD to 2 in spread
does not waste time post snap
BUT>
post snap reads can get aggressive with pulls
infrequent but GT Counter Pull at 17:55
reading the OLB/Edge
he wants the 1v1 and gets tackled
Arm Talent/Guts fpr Bog Throw
ability to attack Turkey Hole with ease
type 1 throw challenges and beats S West for a TD
S messes up the angle a bit
these types of throws may be the death of him
bc he stares down route a bit
Play Speed Under Pressure
solid/Good
ability to isolate/eliminate somewhat quickly in half-field read
feels pressure well at times
BUT when the pressure comes
over protects himself?
spatial awareness for pocket would be adequate
See it Throw it Deep Balls
2nd reaction/hang on Iso Go Route
2x2 X Running Go vs clear C4
stares down receiver, but ok
hangs on to buy time, mini hitches, gather step
not a rhythm thrower
total cannon of arm strength
throws open in stride vs. BIG cushion of L Johnson
takes a hit for it
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Footwork
overall adequate/solid
on the fence about this
feet not active but often has good alignment, and moves with the progression
has a tendency to get robotic or off rhythm
BUT
in RZ Throwing Intermediate Seam Ball
takes a 1/2 step and then goes to hitching
gonna be hard to be in rhythm
also head gear goes and waits for WR to get open
Mobility
overall solid/good ability to move in speed option plays
fluid lateral movement
17ish mark
smooth pitch
NOTE he did not flash this in SB pratices
Bad
Throwing on the Move
placement falls short
looks like genuine short arm
:44
FBI/Awareness
Simple zone exchange for a sack
he does not knwo that the pass pro has a front side issue
- pocket vision
Deep ball accuracy
misses a switch fade
a half beat off
has a slight drift from midline on a 2:30 throw
Reads
vs 2-hi that rotates late to 1-hi
he jams in a 1st slant in dbl slants
placement marginal/adequate
but why not go to the 2nd receiver?
ANGLE SO MUCH BETTER
timing adequate
dont trust that he is actually seeing the defensive leverage
this was VERY clear with inside lev presnap
Intermediate Concept Touch
particularly on crossing routes
placement is marginal-poor often
pace of throw
he wants to gun it
can see he does not naturally want to throw with anticipation
Need a lot more here
Why he isn’t banned yet is just amazing.
Why he isn’t banned yet is just amazing.
He used to do this all the time last year. With all the QBs. Darnold averaged 11.8 yards passing with no wind and 6.7 yards with wind. Therefore it is an obvious conclusion that Darnold should not be drafted after on player with two syllables in his first name....
If he spends time compiling these stats he should try probably learn football is a team based game and individual stats by college QBs have way too many variables to compare things in this manner.
I don't know about this particular thread, but the few times he's been fact-checked on what he's posted, he's been off by quite a bit. A lot of the stats he posted about Webb turned out to be made up
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You guys are obsessed.
Do the QB thing in 2020.