Horrendous as always.
Luka didn't even have one of his huge games and yet put up 16 8 and 5. Damn he's good. Hawks fans can't be happy (and that's with Young having a very nice rookie season)
DSJ was damn good
-Would like to see Robinson gain confidence with the ball. I know he's never going to be a big scorer but at times I think he should be taking the shot vs. being scared to do so.
- Hadn't noticed how well Markkanen has played, 17, 8 and a block on the season
-Harden is probably the MVP favorite but would be fun to see Jokic swoop in and win.
Dave Joerger is doing a very impressive job in Sac. Their younger players are giving quality minures.
Develop KK, AT, MR - SUCCESS.
Develop FN - FAIL.
Don't do any stupid trades like trading Kanter for unimpactful players with long term salary commitments. - SUCCESS.
Get a premium draft pick - SUCCESS to this point.
And a bottom dweller for decades.
Davis is a sure thing and a prototype. Zion (who I have been big on since HS) could potentially be a franchise player but he's so unique (with legitimate flaws) that he's still a gamble. His outside shot is an issue until it isn't and there isn't a long track record of 6'7 285 players in this league. The new lottery system really hurts the Knicks chances at Zion anyway.
7 minutes or so left in the third, Knicks fans start a chant for Kanter. a couple minutes later Enes goes to the scorer's table to check in. Then he points into the crowd, bends down at midcourt and kisses the NYK logo.
Before the season started I liked how dedicated Kanter seemed to be. He was all in. But holy crap, it's become a sideshow with this guy.
I don't think he's a bad guy, but between the PT stuff and his back and forth in the media with Fizdale, generally the way he's immaturely handled things with the club (IMO), and the whole oddity of him v. the Turkish government, man, he can't be gone too soon.
Very bizarre.
Davis over any two assets we have.
I wouldn't take Davis over 3 assets i.e. KP, the # 1 and Knox would be too much.
A deal like Zion (if we landed # 1 pick) + Robinson + Ntilikina + cap filler like THJ strikes me as fair and if Boston beats that, so be it. The LAL package is thoroughly mediocre.
IMO, you can go back 30-40 years and the only times you might have thought the #1 pick was more valuable than AD was the year Shaq came out or maybe Magic or Ewing (and that had more to do with Ewing's hype coming out of school, not the player he became).
AD is the goods.
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Isnt the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..
IMO, you can go back 30-40 years and the only times you might have thought the #1 pick was more valuable than AD was the year Shaq came out or maybe Magic or Ewing (and that had more to do with Ewing's hype coming out of school, not the player he became).
AD is the goods.
and Hakeem, and Lebron.
You are correct. The Knicks could finish with the worst record and pick 5th.
They have a 48% chance of the 4th pick and That's as far as they can drop.
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Correct me if Im wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3
They have a 48% chance of the 4th pick and That's as far as they can drop. Odds - ( New Window )
Sorry 48% at the 5th pick
You dont like Morant as a consolation prize?
PG: Morant, Frank (although its likely he isn't a long term guy here)
SG: Trier
Wings: Durant, Knox, Dotson
Bigs: KP, Robinson, Vonleh, Kornet
a couple of holes to fill, bit that would be an exciting team.
The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.
Morant would be a great consolation prize. I like the fit with Zion best though who can play a Lebron/Giannis point forward type role. I thought this article from The Ringer two days ago did a good job of explaining how his skillset could translate into that role.
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This year doesn't matter, I don't understand why fans are distraught by the team being bad. They were never going to be good this year. Pray for Zion.
You dont like Morant as a consolation prize?
I don't know enough about Morant to say one way or the other. I do think people have kind of started to doubt Zion or not give him enough credit for the other elements of his game. He's certainly not just a dunker.
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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?
The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.
I'm not sure why it would matter to be honest. If KD comes to the Knicks I think one of the main reasons would be a desire to be the lead ball handler and for the first time in his career to be the guy with the ball in his hands running the offense. He wouldn't be coming to the Knicks to play a role similar to the one he plays for the Warriors. If he doesn't come (the most likely scenario), either Morant or Zion could be that guy. Zion is more projection but that possibility is what makes him a potentially game-changing prospect.
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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?
The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.
Of course. I am not saying draft Morant over Zion ... yet. Plus, the NBA is such a shoddy league. If Durant really wants to come here I wouldn't be surpirsed at all if the Knicks knew.
You might have to trade away everything. And its a gamble, but how do you say no?
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AD, Wesley Johnson, Diallo, and Ian Clark
I'm inclined to say yes. It would open up ~$57M in cap space this summer and if you get lucky and wind up with the first pick it doesn't give up your shot at Zion. Plus with all that cap space and AD, it's hard to see how the Knicks wouldn't be able to recruit a top FA and a solid secondary one or two.
This was proposed by Kevin Pelton who said that it's the deal he thinks makes the most sense from the Pelicans perspective if they trade Davis before this summer but the wildcard is how they view the likelihood they can ink KP and if they'd be willing to make the deal without the pick having a shot of turning into Zion.
His defense last night was insane.
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AD, Wesley Johnson, Diallo, and Ian Clark
I'm inclined to say yes. It would open up ~$57M in cap space this summer and if you get lucky and wind up with the first pick it doesn't give up your shot at Zion. Plus with all that cap space and AD, it's hard to see how the Knicks wouldn't be able to recruit a top FA and a solid secondary one or two.
This was proposed by Kevin Pelton who said that it's the deal he thinks makes the most sense from the Pelicans perspective if they trade Davis before this summer but the wildcard is how they view the likelihood they can ink KP and if they'd be willing to make the deal without the pick having a shot of turning into Zion.
Yes, b/c we keep Knox, Trier, Robinson to give AD support and have cap room for more.
That doesn't seem fair...
The Knicks might not get the 1st overall selection> I'd trade the pick and players, but I wouldn't trade KP.
Figures, doesn't it.
i agree i like morant think he is a better fit but you cant pass on zion
Think about what wed have here.
The problem is, at best, there is an 86% chance the Knicks do not get the top pick. The odds simply aren't in their favor. If you can get the Pelicans to bite now, you have to roll the dice. And if you include KP, you better include THJ and have good intel you can get 1 max and more this summer.
As for the tank, this a 4 team race to the bottom. Although I could see Hardaway going off in April and the Knicks closing the season on a winning streak. It's why he got that 70 million contract!
Lastly, why is Hardaway playing and not Lee?
Didn't do so well against DeAndre Hunter though. 8-14, 18 points with Williamson guarding him.
Zion is special. If he stays healthy, I would be surprised if he wasn't atleast as good as Clippers Blake Griffin with a decent chance at being a legendary Barkley/Kemp hybrid.
Davis is making $27 mil per and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2 years. He'll make $40 million per year then.
If you get #1 and get Zion, he's yours for like $9 million per and under control for 4 years. And you keep your other assets like Knox and KP. There's no way you trade this pick if you get one of the top 3.
Its why that proposed trade of Matthews/ DSJ for Frank and Hardaway was hilarious. So the Mavs would be downgrading both players and taking on more money? Why on earth would they do that?
And I get Smith has flaws. But Frank hasn't flashed 1/100th of his offensive ability....
Don't tell the Posting and Toasting writers, who get VERY angry at anyone who suggests Frenchy is horrendous on offense.
Anyway, elsewhere in the association....Grayson Allen is still a piece of shit.
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The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend
also says boston is nervous the knicks could trade for davis and then sign irving away
The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend
I could see the Knicks getting cold feet on a Davis deal if they actually win the Zion sweepstakes. Not saying they should, but right now it's just a draft pick - a 14 percent chance at a player. If they meet with Zion and work him out, he may win them over.
wow! The Celtics would really be generous enough to offer Hayward and Smart? How big of them! What a bunch of crap. This is just Lowe carrying the water for Ainge/Zarren.
Only way I see the Celtics able to offer a competitive package without Tatum is if the Memphis pick ends up at #9 and the Kings pick ends up in the 2-4 range.
Nice to see some panic setting in up there though. That dynasty everyone seemed so certain of has some serious question marks.
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The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend
I could see the Knicks getting cold feet on a Davis deal if they actually win the Zion sweepstakes. Not saying they should, but right now it's just a draft pick - a 14 percent chance at a player. If they meet with Zion and work him out, he may win them over.
I completely agree.
Plus you still have pieces to move for a backcourt and cap space if you can move THR.
But let's be honest does anyone believe they won't mess this thing up?
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Possibly but he simply hasn't taken a major step forward and this is now year 3. Everyone said year 2 would be a huge difference and that didn't happen (much like Ingram in fact). PER is down, WS/48 is down, shooting is down and career 67% from the line for a 6'7 kid isn't ideal. Trust me here, if Knox only shows this much in year 3, I'll be saying the same things.
Agree with this and what Enzo said earlier. If Boston doesnt include Tatum, I dont see this great package everyone keeps referencing. Unless the Sac pick turns into the 2nd or 3rd overall pick.
But if Im the Pelicans I would take the 4 young Lakers guys and multiple unprotected firsts over a Celtics package without Tatum. Especially since any player the Celtics draft cannot be traded until August/ September. Do they really want drag out that process?
Davis while keeping KP.
Davis while keeping the 2019 1st.
Davis while opening up 2 max slots in free agency.
i wonder if his agent told him knicks are looking to trade him for davis
i wonder if his agent told him knicks are looking to trade him for davis
His agent is his brother so he probably knows as much as we do. Which is to say, youre probably right lol
I still dont think its possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...
Uhhh KP, you're on the Knicks. This is news to you? We've been the laughing stock of sports since the Browns actually won some games this year.
I still dont think its possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...
umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone...
I think that's the turn off.
Whether it was Carmelo in his ear, or whatever happened to him I don't know but he is the Matt Harvey of the Knicks.
I get he's dealt with the Knicks losing org., but at this point now all he has to do is get healthy and in all likelihood come back to a totally revamped and hopefully much better team.
I also wish Phil traded him before he left.
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Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here?
I still dont think its possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...
umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone...
Ill give you Knox. But are you really confident in any of the other guys being good nba starters or atleast contributors on a good team?
Which reminds me- Fizdale was hired in part because of his player development skills. Have you really seen any legit positive growth/ strides in the young guys this season?
I have absolutely zero faith in the Knicks wooing anyone.
In the end, if the Knicks offer the max I think he stays. He can always try to force a trade later on like everyone else does. If the Knicks try to get cute with the contract, all bets are off.
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Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here?
I still dont think its possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...
umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone...
Ill give you Knox. But are you really confident in any of the other guys being good nba starters or atleast contributors on a good team?
Which reminds me- Fizdale was hired in part because of his player development skills. Have you really seen any legit positive growth/ strides in the young guys this season?
you have not seen improvement from mudiay, vonleh?
robinson you dknt think can be nba starter? seriously? he didnt play any basketball last year and already looks like he belongs..
Trier i think can easily be a 6th man scorer off the bench..
i dont get how you can watch and not think trier or robinson cant be contributors...
hell luke kornet looks better this year than last
it is funny last year damn this team won 5 of 7 games to end the year they didnt tank right..
this yesr they are tanking right and now it is they are losing and suck this stinks...
- yes Trier can be a nice scorer off the bench.
- Vonleh and Mudiay have improved. Its also almost certain they wont be here next year.
I just think this young core gets a littler overrated. My point is these guys are still a big question mark if they can be legit contributors on a good team.
- yes Trier can be a nice scorer off the bench.
- Vonleh and Mudiay have improved. Its also almost certain they wont be here next year.
I just think this young core gets a littler overrated. My point is these guys are still a big question mark if they can be legit contributors on a good team.
they are 19, knox is the 2nd youngest player in the nba and started basketball late...
robinson did not play at all last year...
what did you expect?
have a little patience
I don't get what he did wrong. Talking with the team is exactly what he should be doing.
Fair point and I get how young him and Knox are. The improvement of Mudiay and Vonleh is great. But its very unlikely they have a future here. And Frank and Dotson havent made any strides this season.
Maybe its just the awful losing but I just view most of these guys as a massive question mark. They run no offense, play awful defense and just havent shown much in recent games...
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Cash your checks, wear your ugly suits on the bench and shut your fucking mouth.
I don't get what he did wrong. Talking with the team is exactly what he should be doing.
follow the league much? Someone leaked this for a reason.
i thought this to
I'm sick of this KP drama. Every fucking week it's something new with him.
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Cash your checks, wear your ugly suits on the bench and shut your fucking mouth.
I don't get what he did wrong. Talking with the team is exactly what he should be doing.
follow the league much? Someone leaked this for a reason.
Yeah. And we're just assuming it was him?
you would do that AFTER the trade. It's most likely KP and his agent stirring the pot.
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to soften the blow when they send him to New Orleans? Seems more likely it's coming from KP and his idiot sibling.
you would do that AFTER the trade. It's most likely KP and his agent stirring the pot.
i almost wonder they heard his name in trade talks...
the 2nd tweet from woj was interesting saying how hr just wants to build a winner in new york, almost like please do not trade me
Davis while keeping KP.
Davis while keeping the 2019 1st.
Davis while opening up 2 max slots in free agency.
Same here. I think they could actually pull this off.
why would they ever trade Davis for that? unless KP showed he was healthy or committed to extension prior?
why would they ever trade Davis for that? unless KP showed he was healthy or committed to extension prior?
I dunno. Why did the Cavs trade their star (who was under contract for 2 full years) for a broken down Isaiah?
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why would they ever trade Davis for that? unless KP showed he was healthy or committed to extension prior?
I dunno. Why did the Cavs trade their star (who was under contract for 2 full years) for a broken down Isaiah?
umm because they were catering to GM lebron- dealing with 2 millenial babies--- and at that point trying to keep lebron happy----- the comparison isnt remotely close to similar.
and AD might be the best player in the leauge
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why would they ever trade Davis for that? unless KP showed he was healthy or committed to extension prior?
I dunno. Why did the Cavs trade their star (who was under contract for 2 full years) for a broken down Isaiah?
umm because they were catering to GM lebron- dealing with 2 millenial babies--- and at that point trying to keep lebron happy----- the comparison isnt remotely close to similar.
and AD might be the best player in the leauge
If they were trying to make him happy, they could have, you know, maybe made a better trade? GM LeBron didn't force the Cavs "braintrust" to make a bad deal, they did that all by themselves. Funny how the Celtics still have all of these assets to offer...
Linsanity? Gone at the end of the season. Our alleged savior Porzingis? Our franchise player? Won't even see the end of his rookie deal.
You can assume Durant, Kawhi or Kyrie would come in free agency but thats hardly a sure thing. Most likely scenario IMO would be Durant stays with Golden State, Kawhi goes to Lakers or Clippers, Kyrie stays in Boston.
In that scenario the Knicks are fucked and Davis probably just goes to the Lakers in a year.
Or switch out Knox and Robinson and put the 2019 first in there but make sure you have room for 2 max contracts.
Or switch out Knox and Robinson and put the 2019 first in there but make sure you have room for 2 max contracts.
Fuck that. Way too much.
Why not? The team has the worst record in the NBA, mediocre young prospects and no clear direction. Terrible sign about the internal outlook. Coach fighting with Kanter (granted he's a moron), Frank a step back, coach talking about THjr's salary? Really? The Knicks continue to be a total mess. Can't wait until they pick 4th or 5th and land another Frank weeeeeeeeeeeee
but unclear about health.
and RFA would be more likely
Ahhhh.
Kanter will be a distant memory soon.
At least the Knicks are tanking right.
RE: Too much for Davis. Porzingis is currently hurt, coming up for a new contract as well as slightly overrated by Knicks fans.
I think this is entirely about his name popping up in trade rumors as opposed to "winning culture, direction of franchise" bullshit. I'd tell him to chill the fuck out. I'd also sure as hell try to trade him this summer for AD if the Knicks can somehow win the lottery.
Get through the draft and off-season.
He is under control and we can match any offer.
If it's built right he will stay.
He has zero value right now unless you flip him for a top 6 pick. (Chicago, Phoenix, Cleveland)
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How is he a piece of shit? He's the best insider there is in basketball.
It's a much better offer than what the Lakers have.
but unclear about health.
and RFA would be more likely
Would the Knicks really trade him to Brooklyn? Only way the Nets would have a shot is if they signed him as a RFA. Now that hes going to be traded, less likely
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He was a shit-stirring asshole when he was a Yankees writer at the Bergen Record.
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Those teams collectively don't have anything I'd pull the trigger for (SGA and???????????????) . Everyone just needs to relax. Unless the Knicks are run by crackheads, cooler heads will prevail.
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Francesa talking to Ira Winderman (his go to nba guy) and he says they trade Porzingis now, everything blows up on them: No KP. No KD. No hope.
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Hes always been completely overrated by Knick fans. Lousy attitude & injury prone.
Kanter will be a distant memory soon.
At least the Knicks are tanking right.
RE: Too much for Davis. Porzingis is currently hurt, coming up for a new contract as well as slightly overrated by Knicks fans.
I don't think he's overrated at all.
Last year he was averaging 22.7 PPG, 2.4 BPG and shooting .395 from 3.
The list of guys this year averaging over 20 PPG, 2.0 BPG and shooting higher than .350 from 3 is below:
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i am almost wonder if knicks told him they were offering him in packages for davis
As someone who was majorly critical of his non-appearance with Phil at the season-ending meeting, I'm not really surprised if they asked for a trade. He's been a bit diva-ish. I can handle that from Odell... I can't handle that from this guy.
I'm guessing this is exactly what happens. They trade Porzingis for next to nothing and end up picking 5th in the draft.
This is the worst organization in the history of professional sports.
As someone who was majorly critical of his non-appearance with Phil at the season-ending meeting, I'm not really surprised if they asked for a trade. He's been a bit diva-ish. I can handle that from Odell... I can't handle that from this guy.
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Can't wait until they pick 4th or 5th and land another Frank weeeeeeeeeeeee
I'm guessing this is exactly what happens. They trade Porzingis for next to nothing and end up picking 5th in the draft.
This is the worst organization in the history of professional sports.
It's tough to believe the story because it doesn't make much sense.
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Can't wait until they pick 4th or 5th and land another Frank weeeeeeeeeeeee
I'm guessing this is exactly what happens. They trade Porzingis for next to nothing and end up picking 5th in the draft.
This is the worst organization in the history of professional sports.
For real.
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Luka for KP. Straight up. I'll take it.
For Dirk, I bet.
WHAT THE F*CK IS HAPPENING? WTF?
This cant be true. We cant be that dumb.
ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?
After all these years, maybe Isola was right - Isiah is still pulling the strings! Because he's the only person I can think of who would engineer a trade that bad.
I'M ABOUT TO BREAK SOMETHING.
Unless they were working on this all along and just put out a leak to Wojnarowski today to make KP look bad so the fans aren't as pissed for trading him.
I don't like KP but this is not the right deal if what's reported is true.
I don't give a shit if they take back the ghosts of Jerome James and JR Smith's contracts. There's no way you can trade KP and end up with DSJ as the key in a trade.
NO FUCKING WAY AT ALL.
The two of them aren't going to want to play with the Knicks by themselves. The two of them PLUS KP or the draft pick (Zion?) I could see.
Why would they come here with the starbeing Dennis Smith Jr?
We'd receive ONE first round pick????? Please someone send a terminator back in time to eliminate Scott Perry.
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Who cares if we have nothing left after getting AD because two max deals along with AD makes everything better. No?
I have absolutely zero faith in the Knicks wooing anyone.
There is that. But money talks. The Knicks havent had many summers go by where they had max money to spend. Really only one, that being the summer of Stat and Lebron.
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Who cares if we have nothing left after getting AD because two max deals along with AD makes everything better. No?
I have absolutely zero faith in the Knicks wooing anyone.
There is that. But money talks. The Knicks havent had many summers go by where they had max money to spend. Really only one, that being the summer of Stat and Lebron.
eh, they had significant cap room in the summer of Noah, and the summer of Robin Lopez/Lee, and the summer of Hardaway Jr. Can't wait to see who's coming next!