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DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 9:32 am
Horrendous as always.

Luka didn't even have one of his huge games and yet put up 16 8 and 5. Damn he's good. Hawks fans can't be happy (and that's with Young having a very nice rookie season)

DSJ was damn good

-Would like to see Robinson gain confidence with the ball. I know he's never going to be a big scorer but at times I think he should be taking the shot vs. being scared to do so.

- Hadn't noticed how well Markkanen has played, 17, 8 and a block on the season

-Harden is probably the MVP favorite but would be fun to see Jokic swoop in and win.

Dave Joerger is doing a very impressive job in Sac. Their younger players are giving quality minures.
Keep it up  
Harvest Blend : 1/31/2019 9:35 am : link
Knicks. It's about time they stunk properly.
Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
mattyblue : 1/31/2019 9:39 am : link
Isnt the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..
for most of the last 2 decades  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 9:46 am : link
the NYK were not horrendous enough (always 1 or 2 or 5 picks away from the high end value in the drafts). This year's performance is PERFECT.

Develop KK, AT, MR - SUCCESS.

Develop FN - FAIL.

Don't do any stupid trades like trading Kanter for unimpactful players with long term salary commitments. - SUCCESS.

Get a premium draft pick - SUCCESS to this point.
NFT: Knicks Chat- Worst team in the NBA  
M.S. : 1/31/2019 9:47 am : link

And a bottom dweller for decades.


RE: Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14281849 mattyblue said:
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Isnt the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..


Davis is a sure thing and a prototype. Zion (who I have been big on since HS) could potentially be a franchise player but he's so unique (with legitimate flaws) that he's still a gamble. His outside shot is an issue until it isn't and there isn't a long track record of 6'7 285 players in this league. The new lottery system really hurts the Knicks chances at Zion anyway.
No, the number one pick is not more valuable than AD.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2019 9:48 am : link
Zion seems like a great number 1 pick but AD is AD. The chances of Zion getting to AD'slevel is slim. Now, you can factor in the contracts and say Zion will get paid a pot pess than AD so that balances it out a little but AD is still more valuable as of now. He is a known. Zion is not.
Something I don't understand, like, enjoy watching ...  
Beezer : 1/31/2019 9:49 am : link
... is this whole Kanter sideshow.

7 minutes or so left in the third, Knicks fans start a chant for Kanter. a couple minutes later Enes goes to the scorer's table to check in. Then he points into the crowd, bends down at midcourt and kisses the NYK logo.

Before the season started I liked how dedicated Kanter seemed to be. He was all in. But holy crap, it's become a sideshow with this guy.

I don't think he's a bad guy, but between the PT stuff and his back and forth in the media with Fizdale, generally the way he's immaturely handled things with the club (IMO), and the whole oddity of him v. the Turkish government, man, he can't be gone too soon.

Very bizarre.
I would take  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 9:50 am : link
Davis over Zion.

Davis over any two assets we have.

I wouldn't take Davis over 3 assets i.e. KP, the # 1 and Knox would be too much.

A deal like Zion (if we landed # 1 pick) + Robinson + Ntilikina + cap filler like THJ strikes me as fair and if Boston beats that, so be it. The LAL package is thoroughly mediocre.
Just Hope  
Samiam : 1/31/2019 9:54 am : link
I hope they dont win some meaningless guys at the end to drop out of the bottom 3 pick for the 1st draft pick. I know they did that to lose drafting Curry. Didnt they do that more recently ? Did they end up with Frank that away. It does suck that the tanking rule was changed this year.
Knicks only have a 14% chance of the #1 pick.  
Heisenberg : 1/31/2019 9:55 am : link
Of course they have the perfect tank year in the first year with the new rules.
RE: Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14281849 mattyblue said:
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Isnt the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..

IMO, you can go back 30-40 years and the only times you might have thought the #1 pick was more valuable than AD was the year Shaq came out or maybe Magic or Ewing (and that had more to do with Ewing's hype coming out of school, not the player he became).

AD is the goods.
Dan  
BeckShepEli : 1/31/2019 9:57 am : link
Correct me if Im wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3
RE: RE: Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14281877 Enzo said:
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In comment 14281849 mattyblue said:


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Isnt the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..


IMO, you can go back 30-40 years and the only times you might have thought the #1 pick was more valuable than AD was the year Shaq came out or maybe Magic or Ewing (and that had more to do with Ewing's hype coming out of school, not the player he became).

AD is the goods.


and Hakeem, and Lebron.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14281878 BeckShepEli said:
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Correct me if Im wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3


You are correct. The Knicks could finish with the worst record and pick 5th.
RE: Dan  
larryflower37 : 1/31/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14281878 BeckShepEli said:
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Correct me if Im wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3

They have a 48% chance of the 4th pick and That's as far as they can drop.
Odds - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Dan  
larryflower37 : 1/31/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14281886 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 14281878 BeckShepEli said:


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Correct me if Im wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3


They have a 48% chance of the 4th pick and That's as far as they can drop. Odds - ( New Window )

Sorry 48% at the 5th pick
Just finish in the bottom 3  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 10:06 am : link
This year doesn't matter, I don't understand why fans are distraught by the team being bad. They were never going to be good this year. Pray for Zion.
AD is worth anything and everything you have  
BillT : 1/31/2019 10:06 am : link
First, in a superstar league he is already top 5 and could be become the #1 player in the league. Second, with him NY becomes a landing spot for another superstar. Sell the house to get him and become relevant again in the NBA.
RE: Just finish in the bottom 3  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14281888 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This year doesn't matter, I don't understand why fans are distraught by the team being bad. They were never going to be good this year. Pray for Zion.


You dont like Morant as a consolation prize?
I'm not sweating the lottery too much.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 10:10 am : link
It's a resolution I made after being devastated a few years ago, only to have KP fall into our laps at #4. I'd be most excited about Zion (obviously), but Morant, Barrett, Culver and Garland would help us quite a bit, too.
I feel like every day that goes by  
robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2019 10:12 am : link
Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?
RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:
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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?


PG: Morant, Frank (although its likely he isn't a long term guy here)

SG: Trier

Wings: Durant, Knox, Dotson

Bigs: KP, Robinson, Vonleh, Kornet

a couple of holes to fill, bit that would be an exciting team.
RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:
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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?


The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.
RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:
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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?

Morant would be a great consolation prize. I like the fit with Zion best though who can play a Lebron/Giannis point forward type role. I thought this article from The Ringer two days ago did a good job of explaining how his skillset could translate into that role.
Zion Williamson Could Be the Next Great NBA Point Center - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Just finish in the bottom 3  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14281894 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14281888 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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This year doesn't matter, I don't understand why fans are distraught by the team being bad. They were never going to be good this year. Pray for Zion.



You dont like Morant as a consolation prize?


I don't know enough about Morant to say one way or the other. I do think people have kind of started to doubt Zion or not give him enough credit for the other elements of his game. He's certainly not just a dunker.
RE: RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14281911 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:


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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?



The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.

I'm not sure why it would matter to be honest. If KD comes to the Knicks I think one of the main reasons would be a desire to be the lead ball handler and for the first time in his career to be the guy with the ball in his hands running the offense. He wouldn't be coming to the Knicks to play a role similar to the one he plays for the Warriors. If he doesn't come (the most likely scenario), either Morant or Zion could be that guy. Zion is more projection but that possibility is what makes him a potentially game-changing prospect.
RE: RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14281911 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:


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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?



The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.


Of course. I am not saying draft Morant over Zion ... yet. Plus, the NBA is such a shoddy league. If Durant really wants to come here I wouldn't be surpirsed at all if the Knicks knew.
I posted this last night  
djm : 1/31/2019 10:36 am : link
And let me first say I love KPs overall game as is let alone his potential in another 2 years but if the Knicks could trade nearly every major resource they had, while trading away the contracts they dont want, wouldnt you have to make the deal for AD? If you woke up this summer with a roster of AD and NOTHING else but you had room for two max deals plus you could fill out the roster with vet min guys, wouldnt you have to make that deal? Who cares what was given if you have a team next season consisting of AD, Durant and lets say Walker?

You might have to trade away everything. And its a gamble, but how do you say no?
2nd worst and pick  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 10:37 am : link
6th.
Knicks need more of a sure thing than Williamson  
ghost718 : 1/31/2019 10:37 am : link
He's going to be tough to handle early on,but I think longevity is a concern.
I would stay the course  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 10:37 am : link
AD is the exception though.
For  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 10:38 am : link
the record I've been all aboard the Zion train for a long time now. There is nothing Morant can do that would have me taking him #1 but as of now he's #2 on my personal "board" and by a "decent' margin at the moment.
Zion  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 10:38 am : link
I see him in the Karl Malone mode. More athletic but the mailman was polished.
Williamson  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 10:40 am : link
was guarding the PG the other night. He's truly a freak. Too much focus on what he can't do right now (3 ball, range) and not enough what he can. I'm a big time believer.
Would you do this deal?  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 10:44 am : link
Knicks trade KP, THJ, Lee, Kornet and their 2019 1st (top 1 protected in which case it would turn into two future 1's)

for

AD, Wesley Johnson, Diallo, and Ian Clark

I'm inclined to say yes. It would open up ~$57M in cap space this summer and if you get lucky and wind up with the first pick it doesn't give up your shot at Zion. Plus with all that cap space and AD, it's hard to see how the Knicks wouldn't be able to recruit a top FA and a solid secondary one or two.

This was proposed by Kevin Pelton who said that it's the deal he thinks makes the most sense from the Pelicans perspective if they trade Davis before this summer but the wildcard is how they view the likelihood they can ink KP and if they'd be willing to make the deal without the pick having a shot of turning into Zion.
Heres the thing  
djm : 1/31/2019 10:44 am : link
I only trade for Davis if I can either keep KP or the pick of open up two max slots. Cant trade for the guy and have nothing in the pipeline. Not worth it.
Seems like a real stretch at this point to assume that Zion  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 10:46 am : link
could handle a Giannis-type role. He does have skill in addition to athletic gifts, but that's a pretty high skill level we're talking about.
RE: Williamson  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14281931 DanMetroMan said:
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was guarding the PG the other night. He's truly a freak. Too much focus on what he can't do right now (3 ball, range) and not enough what he can. I'm a big time believer.


His defense last night was insane.
Was laughing at Beningos take to open his show  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 10:48 am : link
He doesnt want to sell off the entire farm. He in no way wants to include the lottery pick. He says hed only do KP plus Frank for AD. Hes totally against a quick fix. Says they dont work in the NBA.
RE: Would you do this deal?  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14281935 Strahan91 said:
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Knicks trade KP, THJ, Lee, Kornet and their 2019 1st (top 1 protected in which case it would turn into two future 1's)

for

AD, Wesley Johnson, Diallo, and Ian Clark

I'm inclined to say yes. It would open up ~$57M in cap space this summer and if you get lucky and wind up with the first pick it doesn't give up your shot at Zion. Plus with all that cap space and AD, it's hard to see how the Knicks wouldn't be able to recruit a top FA and a solid secondary one or two.

This was proposed by Kevin Pelton who said that it's the deal he thinks makes the most sense from the Pelicans perspective if they trade Davis before this summer but the wildcard is how they view the likelihood they can ink KP and if they'd be willing to make the deal without the pick having a shot of turning into Zion.


Yes, b/c we keep Knox, Trier, Robinson to give AD support and have cap room for more.
This is a big guarding a small  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 10:49 am : link
https://twitter.com/NolanJensen_/status/1090048764537012224
RE: This is a big guarding a small  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14281948 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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https://twitter.com/NolanJensen_/status/1090048764537012224

That doesn't seem fair...
RE: Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
GeofromNJ : 1/31/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14281849 mattyblue said:
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Isnt the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..

The Knicks might not get the 1st overall selection> I'd trade the pick and players, but I wouldn't trade KP.
RE: Knicks only have a 14% chance of the #1 pick.  
GeofromNJ : 1/31/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14281874 Heisenberg said:
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Of course they have the perfect tank year in the first year with the new rules.

Figures, doesn't it.
RE: For  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14281928 DanMetroMan said:
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the record I've been all aboard the Zion train for a long time now. There is nothing Morant can do that would have me taking him #1 but as of now he's #2 on my personal "board" and by a "decent' margin at the moment.


i agree i like morant think he is a better fit but you cant pass on zion
I think Id trade everything for AD  
djm : 1/31/2019 10:53 am : link
As long as I have two max slots next summer. And when i say everything I mean everything and anything.

Think about what wed have here.
Zion  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 11:00 am : link
I'm all aboard the Zion train and agree that people are nitpicking his game. He's a freak and by far the best prospect in the draft. I'm sorry but there is a steep drop off to Morant, Barrett etc...

The problem is, at best, there is an 86% chance the Knicks do not get the top pick. The odds simply aren't in their favor. If you can get the Pelicans to bite now, you have to roll the dice. And if you include KP, you better include THJ and have good intel you can get 1 max and more this summer.

As for the tank, this a 4 team race to the bottom. Although I could see Hardaway going off in April and the Knicks closing the season on a winning streak. It's why he got that 70 million contract!

Lastly, why is Hardaway playing and not Lee?
Never mind how he did in the NBA, Wiggins was considered  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 11:01 am : link
an elite NBA prospect and the Cavs traded him for Love.
RE: This is a big guarding a small  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14281948 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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https://twitter.com/NolanJensen_/status/1090048764537012224


Didn't do so well against DeAndre Hunter though. 8-14, 18 points with Williamson guarding him.
Zion vs KP  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 11:04 am : link
I think I would roll with Zion (upside). But a 14% chance for Zion or KP? I trade the pick.
did anyone see this or hear it?  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 11:04 am : link
Kanter last night said he was grateful to say thank you to the fans one last time then realizing ehat he said backpedalled and said he doesnt know
Lottery someone said  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 11:05 am : link
5/14?
Jokic is truly awesome  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/31/2019 11:06 am : link
I'd rank him 3rd in the MVP race behind Harden and Giannis, but he is just a special offensive player. I still think he'd get exposed defensively in a playoff series so I'd still rank him closer to 10th than 5th on the "best player" rankings. But as far as regular season MVP, very few have a better argument.

Zion is special. If he stays healthy, I would be surprised if he wasn't atleast as good as Clippers Blake Griffin with a decent chance at being a legendary Barkley/Kemp hybrid.
Zion reminds me of Shawn Kemp  
Dave in PA : 1/31/2019 11:06 am : link
The good Kemp. Still, Zion seems somewhat risky since hes so overwhelmingly physically gifted and relies on that more than skill, IMO. If Zion was 610 I would feel better about his game
Is anyone still questioning whether  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 11:07 am : link
You move Frank for DSJ? (I know one game).
Like the Kemp  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 11:08 am : link
Comparison. Athletic.
Davis vs Zion  
Csonka : 1/31/2019 11:12 am : link
What we'd have to give up to get Davis is ridiculous.
Davis is making $27 mil per and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2 years. He'll make $40 million per year then.

If you get #1 and get Zion, he's yours for like $9 million per and under control for 4 years. And you keep your other assets like Knox and KP. There's no way you trade this pick if you get one of the top 3.
God, I hate Zion now because he's  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 11:12 am : link
Blue Devil, but I'll love him in a NY minute if he's a Knick.
RE: Is anyone still questioning whether  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14281995 Carl in CT said:
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You move Frank for DSJ? (I know one game).


Its why that proposed trade of Matthews/ DSJ for Frank and Hardaway was hilarious. So the Mavs would be downgrading both players and taking on more money? Why on earth would they do that?

And I get Smith has flaws. But Frank hasn't flashed 1/100th of his offensive ability....
RE: RE: Is anyone still questioning whether  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14282003 TyreeHelmet said:
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And I get Smith has flaws. But Frank hasn't flashed 1/100th of his offensive ability....


Don't tell the Posting and Toasting writers, who get VERY angry at anyone who suggests Frenchy is horrendous on offense.

Anyway, elsewhere in the association....Grayson Allen is still a piece of shit.
Link - ( New Window )
A Zion, KP, and Durant front court .  
larryflower37 : 1/31/2019 11:20 am : link
A man can dream.
The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend
wpj now 3rd person to say  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 11:35 am : link
davis would not resign in boston because he thinks irving is not staying...

also says boston is nervous the knicks could trade for davis and then sign irving away
RE: A Zion, KP, and Durant front court .  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14282018 larryflower37 said:
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A man can dream.
The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend

I could see the Knicks getting cold feet on a Davis deal if they actually win the Zion sweepstakes. Not saying they should, but right now it's just a draft pick - a 14 percent chance at a player. If they meet with Zion and work him out, he may win them over.
Danny Ainge worried about the Knicks...  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 11:39 am : link
maybe the times they are a-changing...
from the Woj/Lowe piece  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 11:46 am : link
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The most pressing question for Boston is whether they could acquire Davis without including Jayson Tatum in the deal. If the Celtics get the chance, Boston will be able to offer any or all of: Jaylen Brown, Gordon Hayward, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier (though Rozier would have to agree to a sign-and-trade, raising thorny cap complications)

wow! The Celtics would really be generous enough to offer Hayward and Smart? How big of them! What a bunch of crap. This is just Lowe carrying the water for Ainge/Zarren.

Only way I see the Celtics able to offer a competitive package without Tatum is if the Memphis pick ends up at #9 and the Kings pick ends up in the 2-4 range.
another thing from that article  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 11:55 am : link
if boston does indeed tell the pelicans to wait and offer tatum than at the end of the year take tatum off the table they are risking relationships around the league...

I guess ya can't blame Boston for feeling entitled...  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 12:12 pm : link
Kevin Garnett was given to them by Kevin McHale, multiple premium picks were given to them by the Nets - they've had a charmed existence.

Nice to see some panic setting in up there though. That dynasty everyone seemed so certain of has some serious question marks.
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DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 12:19 pm : link
Celtics aren't landing Davis without Tatum. Simple as that. Their other pieces simply aren't that valuable no matter how much spin they want to put on it. Lottery protected LAC pick? Top 8 protected Memphis pick? lolz #Knicks
My favorite  
Jon in NYC : 1/31/2019 12:21 pm : link
DMM posts are they ones he obviously copied from his twitter feed.
Tatum. KP. Zion.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 12:22 pm : link
Those are the names the Pelicans should be (and most likely are) targeting. What the heck are they gonna do with the likes of Jaylen Brown or Lonzo Ball?
the best is the lakers writer  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 12:27 pm : link
who wrote that pelicans sources are telling her they covet lonzo ball haha

actually think  
hitdog42 : 1/31/2019 12:41 pm : link
that Jaylen Brown will be a very good player- he doesnt suit the kyrie iso ball offense. but last postseason he showed he is an excellent player- imo better than the garbage the lakers are offering. a better piece than knox- obviously not as good as tatum, the top pick, or if KP showed he were healthy and willing to commit to an extension.
RE: RE: A Zion, KP, and Durant front court .  
larryflower37 : 1/31/2019 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14282045 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 14282018 larryflower37 said:


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A man can dream.
The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend


I could see the Knicks getting cold feet on a Davis deal if they actually win the Zion sweepstakes. Not saying they should, but right now it's just a draft pick - a 14 percent chance at a player. If they meet with Zion and work him out, he may win them over.


I completely agree.
Plus you still have pieces to move for a backcourt and cap space if you can move THR.
But let's be honest does anyone believe they won't mess this thing up?
RE: My favorite  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14282088 Jon in NYC said:
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DMM posts are they ones he obviously copied from his twitter feed.


Copied MYSELF just to clarify lol
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DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 12:48 pm : link
Nothing earth shattering but that @wojespn report makes perfect sense. Zero incentive for the Pelicans to deal Davis to the Lakers in-season (even if that's where he ends up).
RE: actually think  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14282126 hitdog42 said:
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that Jaylen Brown will be a very good player- he doesnt suit the kyrie iso ball offense. but last postseason he showed he is an excellent player- imo better than the garbage the lakers are offering. a better piece than knox- obviously not as good as tatum, the top pick, or if KP showed he were healthy and willing to commit to an extension.


Possibly but he simply hasn't taken a major step forward and this is now year 3. Everyone said year 2 would be a huge difference and that didn't happen (much like Ingram in fact). PER is down, WS/48 is down, shooting is down and career 67% from the line for a 6'7 kid isn't ideal. Trust me here, if Knox only shows this much in year 3, I'll be saying the same things.
reading  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/31/2019 12:58 pm : link
that Woj/Lowe article I think I'd be willing to call Davis' bluff if I were most teams in the NBA. The offer the Lakers are giving up is pure garbage and the Pelicans won't want to deal Davis too them for 1) creating this circus and 2) the offer sucks. If the only way Davis becomes a Laker is through free agency that doesn't happen until a year and a half from now, when Lebron is in his age 36 season. In that scenario the Lakers can't dish out big contracts this coming off season as they would need the money to afford Davis as a free agent the next year. Davis would have to be a moron to turn down all other overtures to sign long term in order to team up with a 36 year old Lebron and Kyle Kuzma and pretty much nothing else.
RE: .  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14282085 DanMetroMan said:
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Celtics aren't landing Davis without Tatum. Simple as that. Their other pieces simply aren't that valuable no matter how much spin they want to put on it. Lottery protected LAC pick? Top 8 protected Memphis pick? lolz #Knicks


Agree with this and what Enzo said earlier. If Boston doesnt include Tatum, I dont see this great package everyone keeps referencing. Unless the Sac pick turns into the 2nd or 3rd overall pick.

But if Im the Pelicans I would take the 4 young Lakers guys and multiple unprotected firsts over a Celtics package without Tatum. Especially since any player the Celtics draft cannot be traded until August/ September. Do they really want drag out that process?
If the Pels take a deal from the Cs  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 1:20 pm : link
that doesn't include Tatum, the NBA needs to step in.
Seems like the Knicks can offer the best return  
Chris684 : 1/31/2019 1:37 pm : link
If I'm the Knicks, to do this I need one of the 3 objectives below and I make the move.

Davis while keeping KP.

Davis while keeping the 2019 1st.

Davis while opening up 2 max slots in free agency.

From Woj just now  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 1:46 pm : link
Reporting with @ZachLowe and @RamonaShelburne: In meeting with management today, Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis expressed his concern with the losing, franchise direction and an uncertainty that a culture is developing that will enable sustainable organizational success.
wtf is porzingis doing?  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 1:47 pm : link
just be patient for 1 year that is all 1 year!

i wonder if his agent told him knicks are looking to trade him for davis
RE: wtf is porzingis doing?  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14282212 nygiants16 said:
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just be patient for 1 year that is all 1 year!

i wonder if his agent told him knicks are looking to trade him for davis

His agent is his brother so he probably knows as much as we do. Which is to say, youre probably right lol
This is why i was ok with trading him  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 1:51 pm : link
when phil wanted to trade him, he is a whiny baby, dude is not even playing and he is complaining the team is losing, seriously?
Porzingis  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 1:53 pm : link
Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here?

I still dont think its possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...
RE: From Woj just now  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14282210 Strahan91 said:
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Reporting with @ZachLowe and @RamonaShelburne: In meeting with management today, Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis expressed his concern with the losing, franchise direction and an uncertainty that a culture is developing that will enable sustainable organizational success.


Uhhh KP, you're on the Knicks. This is news to you? We've been the laughing stock of sports since the Browns actually won some games this year.
Does KP forget that we might be losing  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 1:53 pm : link
so badly because, uh, he's not playing?
I'm  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/31/2019 1:54 pm : link
really not at all concerned with how Porzingis feels about anything. Similar to what Dan was talking about yesterday, I don't think there is a shot in hell he turns down an extension this off season and plays on a one year qualifying offer coming off of a major injury and multiple injury plagued seasons to start his career. Whether he buys into whats going on or not, its really trivial until he is a full blown free agent who can control his own destiny.
the team sucks right now.  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 1:54 pm : link
There's no arguing that. If he wants to gamble and wait a year to be unrestricted - he certainly has that option.

RE: Porzingis  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14282226 TyreeHelmet said:
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Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here?

I still dont think its possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...


umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone...
So no one wants to debate my post(s)  
djm : 1/31/2019 1:58 pm : link
Would it be worthwhile to trade every single resource we have here for AD as long as youre freeing up enough cap space for 2 max slots and roster room? Who cares if we have nothing left after getting AD because two max deals along with AD makes everything better. No?

Porzingis acts like a top 10 NBA player  
Chris684 : 1/31/2019 1:59 pm : link
when he's just not there yet.

I think that's the turn off.

Whether it was Carmelo in his ear, or whatever happened to him I don't know but he is the Matt Harvey of the Knicks.

I get he's dealt with the Knicks losing org., but at this point now all he has to do is get healthy and in all likelihood come back to a totally revamped and hopefully much better team.

I also wish Phil traded him before he left.
RE: RE: Porzingis  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14282234 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14282226 TyreeHelmet said:


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Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here?

I still dont think its possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...



umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone...


Ill give you Knox. But are you really confident in any of the other guys being good nba starters or atleast contributors on a good team?

Which reminds me- Fizdale was hired in part because of his player development skills. Have you really seen any legit positive growth/ strides in the young guys this season?

RE: So no one wants to debate my post(s)  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14282240 djm said:
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Who cares if we have nothing left after getting AD because two max deals along with AD makes everything better. No?


I have absolutely zero faith in the Knicks wooing anyone.
I think Robinson will be a solid player  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 2:02 pm : link
Remember this is a kid who last played in high school before this year. He's a project but one with a lot of potential.
some other good news  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 2:03 pm : link
If he does accept the qualifying offer, he has no-trade protection. In other words, if he plays next season on the qualifying offer he's as good as gone and you don't get anything for him. Get ready for this staring contest to play itself out over the next few months...

In the end, if the Knicks offer the max I think he stays. He can always try to force a trade later on like everyone else does. If the Knicks try to get cute with the contract, all bets are off.
RE: RE: RE: Porzingis  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14282243 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 14282234 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 14282226 TyreeHelmet said:


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Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here?

I still dont think its possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...



umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone...



Ill give you Knox. But are you really confident in any of the other guys being good nba starters or atleast contributors on a good team?

Which reminds me- Fizdale was hired in part because of his player development skills. Have you really seen any legit positive growth/ strides in the young guys this season?


you have not seen improvement from mudiay, vonleh?

robinson you dknt think can be nba starter? seriously? he didnt play any basketball last year and already looks like he belongs..

Trier i think can easily be a 6th man scorer off the bench..

i dont get how you can watch and not think trier or robinson cant be contributors...

hell luke kornet looks better this year than last
newsflash knicks were going to suck this year  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 2:07 pm : link
they told you they were going to suck over and over again, fizdale said it over and over again they were going to suck...

it is funny last year damn this team won 5 of 7 games to end the year they didnt tank right..

this yesr they are tanking right and now it is they are losing and suck this stinks...

Should have traded Porzingis  
ghost718 : 1/31/2019 2:09 pm : link
and the idiot brother

Oh for fuck's sake, KP.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 2:11 pm : link
Cash your checks, wear your ugly suits on the bench and shut your fucking mouth.
Young Guys  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 2:11 pm : link
I agree Robinson has a ton of pontential and can be a good center. But he also has a long way to go and I havent seen a huge improvement throughout the season.
- yes Trier can be a nice scorer off the bench.
- Vonleh and Mudiay have improved. Its also almost certain they wont be here next year.

I just think this young core gets a littler overrated. My point is these guys are still a big question mark if they can be legit contributors on a good team.
Robinson also missed at least a month  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 2:15 pm : link
That would tend to slow his development, no?
RE: Young Guys  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14282266 TyreeHelmet said:
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I agree Robinson has a ton of pontential and can be a good center. But he also has a long way to go and I havent seen a huge improvement throughout the season.
- yes Trier can be a nice scorer off the bench.
- Vonleh and Mudiay have improved. Its also almost certain they wont be here next year.

I just think this young core gets a littler overrated. My point is these guys are still a big question mark if they can be legit contributors on a good team.


they are 19, knox is the 2nd youngest player in the nba and started basketball late...

robinson did not play at all last year...

what did you expect?

have a little patience
Any chance the Knicks leaked this  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 2:18 pm : link
to soften the blow when they send him to New Orleans? Seems more likely it's coming from KP and his idiot sibling.
minor correction  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 2:19 pm : link
Robinson is 20, not 19. Birthday's in April.
RE: Oh for fuck's sake, KP.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14282265 bceagle05 said:
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Cash your checks, wear your ugly suits on the bench and shut your fucking mouth.


I don't get what he did wrong. Talking with the team is exactly what he should be doing.
RE: Robinson also missed at least a month  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14282271 Greg from LI said:
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That would tend to slow his development, no?


Fair point and I get how young him and Knox are. The improvement of Mudiay and Vonleh is great. But its very unlikely they have a future here. And Frank and Dotson havent made any strides this season.

Maybe its just the awful losing but I just view most of these guys as a massive question mark. They run no offense, play awful defense and just havent shown much in recent games...
RE: RE: Oh for fuck's sake, KP.  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14282278 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Cash your checks, wear your ugly suits on the bench and shut your fucking mouth.



I don't get what he did wrong. Talking with the team is exactly what he should be doing.

follow the league much? Someone leaked this for a reason.
RE: Any chance the Knicks leaked this  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14282275 bceagle05 said:
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to soften the blow when they send him to New Orleans? Seems more likely it's coming from KP and his idiot sibling.


i thought this to
Whatever. Fuck this shit.  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 2:26 pm : link
KP and Knox for AD.

I'm sick of this KP drama. Every fucking week it's something new with him.
I lean towards Frank not making strides because he sucks  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 2:27 pm : link
and was a terrible miss of a lotto pick.
RE: RE: RE: Oh for fuck's sake, KP.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14282280 Enzo said:
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In comment 14282265 bceagle05 said:


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Cash your checks, wear your ugly suits on the bench and shut your fucking mouth.



I don't get what he did wrong. Talking with the team is exactly what he should be doing.


follow the league much? Someone leaked this for a reason.


Yeah. And we're just assuming it was him?
RE: Any chance the Knicks leaked this  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14282275 bceagle05 said:
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to soften the blow when they send him to New Orleans? Seems more likely it's coming from KP and his idiot sibling.

you would do that AFTER the trade. It's most likely KP and his agent stirring the pot.
KP has a history of diva behavior  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 2:29 pm : link
so it's safer to assume he's working on an exit plan or is worried he's being shipped out for Anthony Davis. I hope it's the latter - dude needs to devour some humble pie.
RE: RE: Any chance the Knicks leaked this  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14282292 Enzo said:
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to soften the blow when they send him to New Orleans? Seems more likely it's coming from KP and his idiot sibling.


you would do that AFTER the trade. It's most likely KP and his agent stirring the pot.


i almost wonder they heard his name in trade talks...

the 2nd tweet from woj was interesting saying how hr just wants to build a winner in new york, almost like please do not trade me
RE: Seems like the Knicks can offer the best return  
djm : 1/31/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14282203 Chris684 said:
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If I'm the Knicks, to do this I need one of the 3 objectives below and I make the move.

Davis while keeping KP.

Davis while keeping the 2019 1st.

Davis while opening up 2 max slots in free agency.


Same here. I think they could actually pull this off.
KP is an RFA  
hitdog42 : 1/31/2019 2:34 pm : link
and coming back from injury

why would they ever trade Davis for that? unless KP showed he was healthy or committed to extension prior?
RE: KP is an RFA  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14282299 hitdog42 said:
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and coming back from injury

why would they ever trade Davis for that? unless KP showed he was healthy or committed to extension prior?

I dunno. Why did the Cavs trade their star (who was under contract for 2 full years) for a broken down Isaiah?
RE: RE: KP is an RFA  
hitdog42 : 1/31/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14282306 Enzo said:
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and coming back from injury

why would they ever trade Davis for that? unless KP showed he was healthy or committed to extension prior?


I dunno. Why did the Cavs trade their star (who was under contract for 2 full years) for a broken down Isaiah?


umm because they were catering to GM lebron- dealing with 2 millenial babies--- and at that point trying to keep lebron happy----- the comparison isnt remotely close to similar.
and AD might be the best player in the leauge
Lakers  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 2:56 pm : link
So the Lakers and Pelicans have spoken. Report from Brad Turner and Woj issued a correction. I think hes a Laker before the deadline. The longer they wait, the offers get worse.
.  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 2:57 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

Kristaps Porzingis left the Knicks with the impression that he prefers to be traded, league sources tell @ramonashelburne and me. Knicks are expected to commence discussions on moving him ahead of next Thursday's deadline.
well then  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/31/2019 2:57 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
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@wojespn
1m1 minute ago
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Kristaps Porzingis left the Knicks with the impression that he prefers to be traded, league sources tell @ramonashelburne and me. Knicks are expected to commence discussions on moving him ahead of next Thursday's deadline.
Good, get lost.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 2:58 pm : link
.
bye porzingis  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 2:58 pm : link
when the knicks are winning again i hope you are suffering on a shit team
Really  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 2:59 pm : link
terrible
Phil wanted to trade KP for Josh Jackson.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 2:59 pm : link
Hopefully Perry has a keener eye for talent.
wonder what the knicks told him in that meeting  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 3:00 pm : link
..
RE: RE: RE: KP is an RFA  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14282319 hitdog42 said:
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and coming back from injury

why would they ever trade Davis for that? unless KP showed he was healthy or committed to extension prior?


I dunno. Why did the Cavs trade their star (who was under contract for 2 full years) for a broken down Isaiah?



umm because they were catering to GM lebron- dealing with 2 millenial babies--- and at that point trying to keep lebron happy----- the comparison isnt remotely close to similar.
and AD might be the best player in the leauge

If they were trying to make him happy, they could have, you know, maybe made a better trade? GM LeBron didn't force the Cavs "braintrust" to make a bad deal, they did that all by themselves. Funny how the Celtics still have all of these assets to offer...
Goodbye Porzingis!  
Chris684 : 1/31/2019 3:01 pm : link
..
Why does this always happen to us?  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 3:02 pm : link
Whenever we get something nice, it never lasts...whether rightly or wrongly.

Linsanity? Gone at the end of the season. Our alleged savior Porzingis? Our franchise player? Won't even see the end of his rookie deal.
If you guy the team for AD  
Oscar : 1/31/2019 3:02 pm : link
There is a good chance he just walks after a year anyway. The Pelicans offer a better supporting cast than the Knicks right now, much better if the Knicks trade all of their decent young players and give away the pick.

You can assume Durant, Kawhi or Kyrie would come in free agency but thats hardly a sure thing. Most likely scenario IMO would be Durant stays with Golden State, Kawhi goes to Lakers or Clippers, Kyrie stays in Boston.

In that scenario the Knicks are fucked and Davis probably just goes to the Lakers in a year.
*gut  
Oscar : 1/31/2019 3:02 pm : link
.
If he wants to be gone ...  
Beezer : 1/31/2019 3:03 pm : link
I can't get upset about it.
Call up the Pelicans...  
Chris684 : 1/31/2019 3:05 pm : link
Porzingis, Knox, Robinson, any future first/s after 2019.

Or switch out Knox and Robinson and put the 2019 first in there but make sure you have room for 2 max contracts.
Porzingas, Knox, Robinson AND a first???  
Beezer : 1/31/2019 3:08 pm : link
No fucking way. Not a single damn chance. Would HATE that.
this was the risk they took  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 3:08 pm : link
when they didn't extend him last year. Some cautioned against this strategy - even though it would have resulted in less cap room this summer.
RE: Call up the Pelicans...  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 3:08 pm : link
In comment 14282344 Chris684 said:
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Porzingis, Knox, Robinson, any future first/s after 2019.

Or switch out Knox and Robinson and put the 2019 first in there but make sure you have room for 2 max contracts.


Fuck that. Way too much.
Jesus  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 3:09 pm : link
You wont get $ for $. Thats where it hurts.
RE: If he wants to be gone ...  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14282340 Beezer said:
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I can't get upset about it.


Why not? The team has the worst record in the NBA, mediocre young prospects and no clear direction. Terrible sign about the internal outlook. Coach fighting with Kanter (granted he's a moron), Frank a step back, coach talking about THjr's salary? Really? The Knicks continue to be a total mess. Can't wait until they pick 4th or 5th and land another Frank weeeeeeeeeeeee
would love if he ended up with the nets  
hitdog42 : 1/31/2019 3:10 pm : link
if healthy he would be a top 10 player in the system.
but unclear about health.

and RFA would be more likely
Just can't get emotional.  
Beezer : 1/31/2019 3:10 pm : link
Pitchers and catchers in what? 12 days?

Ahhhh.
If  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 3:11 pm : link
LAL acquired AD for essentially their entire group of young assets such that they're roster was essentially LBJ, AD and MIN contract players, could they do another MAX offer this summer (Kyrie?)??
I go for a freaking walk  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:12 pm : link
& come back news that KP wants to be traded? JFC.
Frank is and always has been junk  
Chris684 : 1/31/2019 3:12 pm : link
We were always talking about George Hill at best with this guy.

Kanter will be a distant memory soon.

At least the Knicks are tanking right.

RE: Too much for Davis. Porzingis is currently hurt, coming up for a new contract as well as slightly overrated by Knicks fans.
This thing took a turn for the worst  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 3:13 pm : link
Watch the Knicks dump KP for shit, KD doesnt come. AD goes to Boston or LA and the Knicks drop to 5. Typical Knick bullshit.
Reminds me of something Jay Williams said during a convo about  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:14 pm : link
Zion to the Knicks. He said not everyone can handle the spotlight that comes with NY because if you have even a little success you instantly become one of the most famous people on the planet, let alone in the sport. Maybe that's been an issue with Odell, but Odell is one of the best players in his sport. KP is a good young player with upside, but he's hardly proven anything. Yet, he's carried himself (or at least his representatives have) like he's a top star in the league.

I think this is entirely about his name popping up in trade rumors as opposed to "winning culture, direction of franchise" bullshit. I'd tell him to chill the fuck out. I'd also sure as hell try to trade him this summer for AD if the Knicks can somehow win the lottery.
His value is the lowest right now.  
larryflower37 : 1/31/2019 3:17 pm : link
It's a 10 - 40 season.
Get through the draft and off-season.
He is under control and we can match any offer.
If it's built right he will stay.

He has zero value right now unless you flip him for a top 6 pick. (Chicago, Phoenix, Cleveland)
Can we at least wait until Porzingis himself says this?  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 3:17 pm : link
And not just some rumor being spread by that piece of shit Wojnarowski?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:17 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 2m2 minutes ago

The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs and Toronto Raptors are among many teams expected to pursue Kristaps Porzingis in a trade, league sources tell ESPN.
.  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 3:17 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs and Toronto Raptors are among many teams expected to pursue Kristaps Porzingis in a trade, league sources tell ESPN.
RE: Can we at least wait until Porzingis himself says this?  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14282363 Greg from LI said:
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And not just some rumor being spread by that piece of shit Wojnarowski?


How is he a piece of shit? He's the best insider there is in basketball.
If Woj  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:18 pm : link
says it, I'm going to believe it. The man is usually on the $.
Kristaps in Brooklyn  
Beezer : 1/31/2019 3:19 pm : link
would be disastrous for the Knicks as a franchise.
Kristaps,  
Jon in NYC : 1/31/2019 3:19 pm : link
Knox, Frank, Hardaway for AD.

It's a much better offer than what the Lakers have.
RE: would love if he ended up with the nets  
jestersdead : 1/31/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14282352 hitdog42 said:
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if healthy he would be a top 10 player in the system.
but unclear about health.

and RFA would be more likely


Would the Knicks really trade him to Brooklyn? Only way the Nets would have a shot is if they signed him as a RFA. Now that hes going to be traded, less likely
Fuck that  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 3:19 pm : link
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@TheFrankIsola

Wonder if Knicks could do KP to Boston for Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier and maybe a pick. Clippers, Thunder & Spurs will have interest as well.
RE: RE: Can we at least wait until Porzingis himself says this?  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14282366 Anakim said:
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How is he a piece of shit? He's the best insider there is in basketball.


He was a shit-stirring asshole when he was a Yankees writer at the Bergen Record.
RE: ...  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14282364 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 2m2 minutes ago

The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs and Toronto Raptors are among many teams expected to pursue Kristaps Porzingis in a trade, league sources tell ESPN.


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Keep an extra eye on San Antonio
Nets? LOL.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 3:20 pm : link
Ill take SGA from the Clips, thanks.
RE: .  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14282365 Anakim said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs and Toronto Raptors are among many teams expected to pursue Kristaps Porzingis in a trade, league sources tell ESPN.


Those teams collectively don't have anything I'd pull the trigger for (SGA and???????????????) . Everyone just needs to relax. Unless the Knicks are run by crackheads, cooler heads will prevail.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:21 pm : link
I could totally see the Spurs, though what would they give up?
RE: ...  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14282364 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 2m2 minutes ago

The Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs and Toronto Raptors are among many teams expected to pursue Kristaps Porzingis in a trade, league sources tell ESPN.


Francesa talking to Ira Winderman (his go to nba guy) and he says they trade Porzingis now, everything blows up on them: No KP. No KD. No hope.
👎🏽
Fuck KP  
TommyWiseau : 1/31/2019 3:22 pm : link
He is a bitch
Ira Winderman doesn't know shit compared to Woj.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:23 pm : link
I HATE Woj, but even I must admit he's at the top of the heap among the sport's insiders.
Jesus  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 3:24 pm : link
You wont get $ for $. Thats where it hurts.
Not a good look for KP.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:24 pm : link
I gotta admit I'm confused as to how this has gone down.
RE: Not a good look for KP.  
Sean : 1/31/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14282387 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I gotta admit I'm confused as to how this has gone down.


Hes always been completely overrated by Knick fans. Lousy attitude & injury prone.
RE: Frank is and always has been junk  
Eli Wilson : 1/31/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14282358 Chris684 said:
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We were always talking about George Hill at best with this guy.

Kanter will be a distant memory soon.

At least the Knicks are tanking right.

RE: Too much for Davis. Porzingis is currently hurt, coming up for a new contract as well as slightly overrated by Knicks fans.


I don't think he's overrated at all.

Last year he was averaging 22.7 PPG, 2.4 BPG and shooting .395 from 3.

The list of guys this year averaging over 20 PPG, 2.0 BPG and shooting higher than .350 from 3 is below:

.........
It would be really hard to take  
Oscar : 1/31/2019 3:26 pm : link
If they traded KP. Kid is the best young prospect the Knicks have had in 30 years. Make it work.
I agree Sean  
Chris684 : 1/31/2019 3:26 pm : link
..
Monkey see,monkey do  
ghost718 : 1/31/2019 3:27 pm : link
After the Anthony Davis trade request,Idiot brother said "You can do that?,Ok, we're unhappy too"
RE: Not a good look for KP.  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14282387 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I gotta admit I'm confused as to how this has gone down.


i am almost wonder if knicks told him they were offering him in packages for davis
All this is is Wojnarowski repeated what the Knicks FO says  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 3:28 pm : link
It's saying that the Knicks FO supposedly thinks he wants a trade. Why would you instantly believe their spin?
Will say his brothers have been an issue  
Oscar : 1/31/2019 3:29 pm : link
From day one. Never liked that they were guiding his training, career decisions, etc. Always been a bad sign and now the end game might be playing out.
If KP is upset that there's talk of him being moved for  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:31 pm : link
AD, get over it Kristaps. AD is the better player. Full stop. The Knicks would be committing basketball malpractice if they didn't investigate a trade for AD.
I obviously have no idea, but I think he and his dopey brother  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:32 pm : link
heard his name included in AD trade rumors and it pissed them off. I don't think they want to leave, but they would if they felt like the Knicks were even entertaining the thought of dealing him.

As someone who was majorly critical of his non-appearance with Phil at the season-ending meeting, I'm not really surprised if they asked for a trade. He's been a bit diva-ish. I can handle that from Odell... I can't handle that from this guy.
RE: RE: If he wants to be gone ...  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14282351 DanMetroMan said:
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Can't wait until they pick 4th or 5th and land another Frank weeeeeeeeeeeee


I'm guessing this is exactly what happens. They trade Porzingis for next to nothing and end up picking 5th in the draft.

This is the worst organization in the history of professional sports.
RE: I obviously have no idea, but I think he and his dopey brother  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14282407 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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heard his name included in AD trade rumors and it pissed them off. I don't think they want to leave, but they would if they felt like the Knicks were even entertaining the thought of dealing him.

As someone who was majorly critical of his non-appearance with Phil at the season-ending meeting, I'm not really surprised if they asked for a trade. He's been a bit diva-ish. I can handle that from Odell... I can't handle that from this guy.


i think it is because of kanter
RE: RE: RE: If he wants to be gone ...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14282408 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14282351 DanMetroMan said:


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Can't wait until they pick 4th or 5th and land another Frank weeeeeeeeeeeee



I'm guessing this is exactly what happens. They trade Porzingis for next to nothing and end up picking 5th in the draft.

This is the worst organization in the history of professional sports.


The supposed complaints  
moespree : 1/31/2019 3:37 pm : link
The media is saying he has are ridiculous, if true. He either is using those complaints as an excuse to leave because he wants to, or he and his team are just plain stupid if they are legitimate complaints from him. What clarity on the plan could he need? Is it not obvious they are tanking for a good pick, keeping the cap open for free agents all with an eye on getting him back healthy to play with those new additions next October? And all of a sudden with only 3 months to go in the season he needs this clarity?

It's tough to believe the story because it doesn't make much sense.
RE: RE: RE: If he wants to be gone ...  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14282408 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14282351 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


Can't wait until they pick 4th or 5th and land another Frank weeeeeeeeeeeee



I'm guessing this is exactly what happens. They trade Porzingis for next to nothing and end up picking 5th in the draft.

This is the worst organization in the history of professional sports.


For real.
Stein saying Porzingas to Dallas  
Metnut : 1/31/2019 3:38 pm : link
might be close to done. Wow.
name me a worse one  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 3:38 pm : link
.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:39 pm : link
Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA

Kevin O'Connor Retweeted Adrian Wojnarowski

The Dallas Mavericks are also expected to pursue a trade for Kristaps Porzingis, per league sources.

Luka for KP. Straight up. I'll take it.

RE: Stein saying Porzingas to Dallas  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14282418 Metnut said:
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might be close to done. Wow.


For Dirk, I bet.
this  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/31/2019 3:39 pm : link
escalated quickly, very fucking quickly
RE: Stein saying Porzingas to Dallas  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14282418 Metnut said:
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might be close to done. Wow.


WHAT THE F*CK IS HAPPENING? WTF?
No Doncic?!?  
Metnut : 1/31/2019 3:40 pm : link
Dennis Smith as the centerpiece? Wtf
Looks like Knicks get Smith  
Metnut : 1/31/2019 3:40 pm : link
and dump salaries.
RE: No Doncic?!?  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14282425 Metnut said:
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Dennis Smith as the centerpiece? Wtf


This cant be true. We cant be that dumb.
Fuck that  
TommyWiseau : 1/31/2019 3:41 pm : link
Only way I move KP to Dallas is for Doncic. KP and then some for him
I'll believe it when I see it.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:41 pm : link
I find it almost impossible to believe Scott Perry is that stupid.
This seems too fast  
Metnut : 1/31/2019 3:42 pm : link
Why wouldnt Knicks shop for best deal? Stein and Woj arent BSers though.
RE: Looks like Knicks get Smith  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14282426 Metnut said:
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and dump salaries.


ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?
Dennis Smith....you've got to be kidding me  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 3:42 pm : link
Dallas literally has nothing else to offer. It would have to be Smith.

After all these years, maybe Isola was right - Isiah is still pulling the strings! Because he's the only person I can think of who would engineer a trade that bad.
ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/31/2019 3:43 pm : link
ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?

I'M ABOUT TO BREAK SOMETHING.
Maybe they have something lined up for AD  
Heisenberg : 1/31/2019 3:43 pm : link
.
I'm not even gonna lie... I would have to immediately withdraw  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:43 pm : link
my fandom from the Knicks if they make a trade like that.
I can believe it  
moespree : 1/31/2019 3:43 pm : link
Everybody becomes a fucking moron as soon as they get hired by the Knicks. The Scott Perry from his days in Seattle and Orlando wouldn't do that, but this Scott Perry would. Must be Dolan or something. Rubs off the stupidity on everyone.
RE: This seems too fast  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14282434 Metnut said:
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Why wouldnt Knicks shop for best deal? Stein and Woj arent BSers though.


Unless they were working on this all along and just put out a leak to Wojnarowski today to make KP look bad so the fans aren't as pissed for trading him.
Frank for Dennis Smith Jr. is debatable.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 3:45 pm : link
KP for Dennis Smith Jr. is downright hilarious. As I said earlier, I'd rather have SGA from the Clips. If Dallas is taking every bad contract we have, perhaps I'll re-think.
Also interesting that the teams played last night  
Chris684 : 1/31/2019 3:45 pm : link
so presumably both sides could have been together working on something.

I don't like KP but this is not the right deal if what's reported is true.
Well they certainly have cap space  
moespree : 1/31/2019 3:46 pm : link
Too bad no one will ever come near these lunatics known as the Knicks though.
RE: Frank for Dennis Smith Jr. is debatable.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14282450 bceagle05 said:
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KP for Dennis Smith Jr. is downright hilarious. As I said earlier, I'd rather have SGA from the Clips. If Dallas is taking every bad contract we have, perhaps I'll re-think.


I don't give a shit if they take back the ghosts of Jerome James and JR Smith's contracts. There's no way you can trade KP and end up with DSJ as the key in a trade.

NO FUCKING WAY AT ALL.
knicks now have room for 2 kax contracts  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 3:46 pm : link
flip the pick for ad and you can sign irving and durant
RE: knicks now have room for 2 kax contracts  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14282459 nygiants16 said:
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flip the pick for ad and you can sign irving and durant


The two of them aren't going to want to play with the Knicks by themselves. The two of them PLUS KP or the draft pick (Zion?) I could see.
So heres the tweet  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 3:48 pm : link
According to Stein (Twitter links), the Mavericks have agreed to take on the Tim Hardaway Jr. and Courtney Lee contracts as part of the swap, and would send DeAndre Jordans and Wesley Matthews expiring contracts to New York. In addition to clearing significant cap room for 2019, the Knicks would also receive a future first-round pick from the Mavericks, according to Stein (Twitter link), who says the two sides are working to finalize a deal.
RE: knicks now have room for 2 kax contracts  
TommyWiseau : 1/31/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14282459 nygiants16 said:
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flip the pick for ad and you can sign irving and durant


Why would they come here with the starbeing Dennis Smith Jr?
I mean...  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 3:49 pm : link
I tried to tell ya'll that with Mills still involved anything was possible. Fuck this team.

Might run into a few unneeded Ws  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 3:50 pm : link
With those guys. Agree?
Lance  
TommyWiseau : 1/31/2019 3:51 pm : link
Thomas better be in this fucking deal
RE: So heres the tweet  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14282467 The_Boss said:
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According to Stein (Twitter links), the Mavericks have agreed to take on the Tim Hardaway Jr. and Courtney Lee contracts as part of the swap, and would send DeAndre Jordans and Wesley Matthews expiring contracts to New York. In addition to clearing significant cap room for 2019, the Knicks would also receive a future first-round pick from the Mavericks, according to Stein (Twitter link), who says the two sides are working to finalize a deal.


We'd receive ONE first round pick????? Please someone send a terminator back in time to eliminate Scott Perry.
this had to be in the works  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 3:52 pm : link
Knicks now swinging to get 2 maxes
They must have  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 3:52 pm : link
Verbals.
The only nutkick left is for Zion to pull an Eli Manning after we get  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/31/2019 3:53 pm : link
the first pick.
RE: RE: So no one wants to debate my post(s)  
djm : 1/31/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14282246 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14282240 djm said:


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Who cares if we have nothing left after getting AD because two max deals along with AD makes everything better. No?




I have absolutely zero faith in the Knicks wooing anyone.


There is that. But money talks. The Knicks havent had many summers go by where they had max money to spend. Really only one, that being the summer of Stat and Lebron.

RE: RE: RE: So no one wants to debate my post(s)  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14282510 djm said:
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In comment 14282246 Greg from LI said:


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In comment 14282240 djm said:


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Who cares if we have nothing left after getting AD because two max deals along with AD makes everything better. No?




I have absolutely zero faith in the Knicks wooing anyone.



There is that. But money talks. The Knicks havent had many summers go by where they had max money to spend. Really only one, that being the summer of Stat and Lebron.

eh, they had significant cap room in the summer of Noah, and the summer of Robin Lopez/Lee, and the summer of Hardaway Jr. Can't wait to see who's coming next!
Lets hope players and agents  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 7:03 pm : link
Like Fizdale and Perry.
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