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DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 9:32 am
Horrendous as always.

Luka didn't even have one of his huge games and yet put up 16 8 and 5. Damn he's good. Hawks fans can't be happy (and that's with Young having a very nice rookie season)

DSJ was damn good

-Would like to see Robinson gain confidence with the ball. I know he's never going to be a big scorer but at times I think he should be taking the shot vs. being scared to do so.

- Hadn't noticed how well Markkanen has played, 17, 8 and a block on the season

-Harden is probably the MVP favorite but would be fun to see Jokic swoop in and win.

Dave Joerger is doing a very impressive job in Sac. Their younger players are giving quality minures.
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Keep it up  
Harvest Blend : 1/31/2019 9:35 am : link
Knicks. It's about time they stunk properly.
Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
mattyblue : 1/31/2019 9:39 am : link
Isn’t the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..
for most of the last 2 decades  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 9:46 am : link
the NYK were not horrendous enough (always 1 or 2 or 5 picks away from the high end value in the drafts). This year's performance is PERFECT.

Develop KK, AT, MR - SUCCESS.

Develop FN - FAIL.

Don't do any stupid trades like trading Kanter for unimpactful players with long term salary commitments. - SUCCESS.

Get a premium draft pick - SUCCESS to this point.
NFT: Knicks Chat- Worst team in the NBA  
M.S. : 1/31/2019 9:47 am : link

And a bottom dweller for decades.


RE: Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14281849 mattyblue said:
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Isn’t the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..


Davis is a sure thing and a prototype. Zion (who I have been big on since HS) could potentially be a franchise player but he's so unique (with legitimate flaws) that he's still a gamble. His outside shot is an issue until it isn't and there isn't a long track record of 6'7 285 players in this league. The new lottery system really hurts the Knicks chances at Zion anyway.
No, the number one pick is not more valuable than AD.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2019 9:48 am : link
Zion seems like a great number 1 pick but AD is AD. The chances of Zion getting to AD'slevel is slim. Now, you can factor in the contracts and say Zion will get paid a pot pess than AD so that balances it out a little but AD is still more valuable as of now. He is a known. Zion is not.
Something I don't understand, like, enjoy watching ...  
Beezer : 1/31/2019 9:49 am : link
... is this whole Kanter sideshow.

7 minutes or so left in the third, Knicks fans start a chant for Kanter. a couple minutes later Enes goes to the scorer's table to check in. Then he points into the crowd, bends down at midcourt and kisses the NYK logo.

Before the season started I liked how dedicated Kanter seemed to be. He was all in. But holy crap, it's become a sideshow with this guy.

I don't think he's a bad guy, but between the PT stuff and his back and forth in the media with Fizdale, generally the way he's immaturely handled things with the club (IMO), and the whole oddity of him v. the Turkish government, man, he can't be gone too soon.

Very bizarre.
I would take  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 9:50 am : link
Davis over Zion.

Davis over any two assets we have.

I wouldn't take Davis over 3 assets i.e. KP, the # 1 and Knox would be too much.

A deal like Zion (if we landed # 1 pick) + Robinson + Ntilikina + cap filler like THJ strikes me as fair and if Boston beats that, so be it. The LAL package is thoroughly mediocre.
Just Hope  
Samiam : 1/31/2019 9:54 am : link
I hope they don’t win some meaningless guys at the end to drop out of the bottom 3 pick for the 1st draft pick. I know they did that to lose drafting Curry. Didn’t they do that more recently ? Did they end up with Frank that away. It does suck that the tanking rule was changed this year.
Knicks only have a 14% chance of the #1 pick.  
Heisenberg : 1/31/2019 9:55 am : link
Of course they have the perfect tank year in the first year with the new rules.
RE: Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14281849 mattyblue said:
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Isn’t the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..

IMO, you can go back 30-40 years and the only times you might have thought the #1 pick was more valuable than AD was the year Shaq came out or maybe Magic or Ewing (and that had more to do with Ewing's hype coming out of school, not the player he became).

AD is the goods.
Dan  
BeckShepEli : 1/31/2019 9:57 am : link
Correct me if I’m wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3
RE: RE: Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14281877 Enzo said:
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In comment 14281849 mattyblue said:


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Isn’t the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..


IMO, you can go back 30-40 years and the only times you might have thought the #1 pick was more valuable than AD was the year Shaq came out or maybe Magic or Ewing (and that had more to do with Ewing's hype coming out of school, not the player he became).

AD is the goods.


and Hakeem, and Lebron.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14281878 BeckShepEli said:
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Correct me if I’m wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3


You are correct. The Knicks could finish with the worst record and pick 5th.
RE: Dan  
larryflower37 : 1/31/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14281878 BeckShepEli said:
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Correct me if I’m wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3

They have a 48% chance of the 4th pick and That's as far as they can drop.
Odds - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Dan  
larryflower37 : 1/31/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14281886 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 14281878 BeckShepEli said:


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Correct me if I’m wrong even if knicks finish in last place they have a legitimate shot at the 5th pick right? Or are they at least guaranteed top 3


They have a 48% chance of the 4th pick and That's as far as they can drop. Odds - ( New Window )

Sorry 48% at the 5th pick
Just finish in the bottom 3  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 10:06 am : link
This year doesn't matter, I don't understand why fans are distraught by the team being bad. They were never going to be good this year. Pray for Zion.
AD is worth anything and everything you have  
BillT : 1/31/2019 10:06 am : link
First, in a superstar league he is already top 5 and could be become the #1 player in the league. Second, with him NY becomes a landing spot for another superstar. Sell the house to get him and become relevant again in the NBA.
RE: Just finish in the bottom 3  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14281888 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This year doesn't matter, I don't understand why fans are distraught by the team being bad. They were never going to be good this year. Pray for Zion.


You don’t like Morant as a consolation prize?
I'm not sweating the lottery too much.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 10:10 am : link
It's a resolution I made after being devastated a few years ago, only to have KP fall into our laps at #4. I'd be most excited about Zion (obviously), but Morant, Barrett, Culver and Garland would help us quite a bit, too.
I feel like every day that goes by  
robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2019 10:12 am : link
Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?
RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:
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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?


PG: Morant, Frank (although its likely he isn't a long term guy here)

SG: Trier

Wings: Durant, Knox, Dotson

Bigs: KP, Robinson, Vonleh, Kornet

a couple of holes to fill, bit that would be an exciting team.
RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:
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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?


The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.
RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:
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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?

Morant would be a great consolation prize. I like the fit with Zion best though who can play a Lebron/Giannis point forward type role. I thought this article from The Ringer two days ago did a good job of explaining how his skillset could translate into that role.
Zion Williamson Could Be the Next Great NBA Point Center - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Just finish in the bottom 3  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14281894 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14281888 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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This year doesn't matter, I don't understand why fans are distraught by the team being bad. They were never going to be good this year. Pray for Zion.



You don’t like Morant as a consolation prize?


I don't know enough about Morant to say one way or the other. I do think people have kind of started to doubt Zion or not give him enough credit for the other elements of his game. He's certainly not just a dunker.
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Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14281911 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:


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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?



The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.

I'm not sure why it would matter to be honest. If KD comes to the Knicks I think one of the main reasons would be a desire to be the lead ball handler and for the first time in his career to be the guy with the ball in his hands running the offense. He wouldn't be coming to the Knicks to play a role similar to the one he plays for the Warriors. If he doesn't come (the most likely scenario), either Morant or Zion could be that guy. Zion is more projection but that possibility is what makes him a potentially game-changing prospect.
RE: RE: I feel like every day that goes by  
robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14281911 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14281903 robbieballs2003 said:


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Morant makes more and more sense for this team. Forget AD for a second. If the rumors are true about KD, doesn't Morant just balance this team out with Robinson, Porzingis, KD, and Knox among others?



The draft comes before FA so there would be no way barring Durant flat out illegally telling the Knicks he's 100% coming for them to plan like this.


Of course. I am not saying draft Morant over Zion ... yet. Plus, the NBA is such a shoddy league. If Durant really wants to come here I wouldn't be surpirsed at all if the Knicks knew.
I posted this last night  
djm : 1/31/2019 10:36 am : link
And let me first say I love KPs overall game as is let alone his potential in another 2 years but if the Knicks could trade nearly every major resource they had, while trading away the contracts they don’t want, wouldn’t you have to make the deal for AD? If you woke up this summer with a roster of AD and NOTHING else but you had room for two max deals plus you could fill out the roster with vet min guys, wouldn’t you have to make that deal? Who cares what was given if you have a team next season consisting of AD, Durant and let’s say Walker?

You might have to trade away everything. And it’s a gamble, but how do you say no?
2nd worst and pick  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 10:37 am : link
6th.
Knicks need more of a sure thing than Williamson  
ghost718 : 1/31/2019 10:37 am : link
He's going to be tough to handle early on,but I think longevity is a concern.
I would stay the course  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 10:37 am : link
AD is the exception though.
For  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 10:38 am : link
the record I've been all aboard the Zion train for a long time now. There is nothing Morant can do that would have me taking him #1 but as of now he's #2 on my personal "board" and by a "decent' margin at the moment.
Zion  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 10:38 am : link
I see him in the Karl Malone mode. More athletic but the mailman was polished.
Williamson  
DanMetroMan : 1/31/2019 10:40 am : link
was guarding the PG the other night. He's truly a freak. Too much focus on what he can't do right now (3 ball, range) and not enough what he can. I'm a big time believer.
Would you do this deal?  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 10:44 am : link
Knicks trade KP, THJ, Lee, Kornet and their 2019 1st (top 1 protected in which case it would turn into two future 1's)

for

AD, Wesley Johnson, Diallo, and Ian Clark

I'm inclined to say yes. It would open up ~$57M in cap space this summer and if you get lucky and wind up with the first pick it doesn't give up your shot at Zion. Plus with all that cap space and AD, it's hard to see how the Knicks wouldn't be able to recruit a top FA and a solid secondary one or two.

This was proposed by Kevin Pelton who said that it's the deal he thinks makes the most sense from the Pelicans perspective if they trade Davis before this summer but the wildcard is how they view the likelihood they can ink KP and if they'd be willing to make the deal without the pick having a shot of turning into Zion.
Here’s the thing  
djm : 1/31/2019 10:44 am : link
I only trade for Davis if I can either keep KP or the pick of open up two max slots. Can’t trade for the guy and have nothing in the pipeline. Not worth it.
Seems like a real stretch at this point to assume that Zion  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 10:46 am : link
could handle a Giannis-type role. He does have skill in addition to athletic gifts, but that's a pretty high skill level we're talking about.
RE: Williamson  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14281931 DanMetroMan said:
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was guarding the PG the other night. He's truly a freak. Too much focus on what he can't do right now (3 ball, range) and not enough what he can. I'm a big time believer.


His defense last night was insane.
Was laughing at Beningo’s take to open his show  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 10:48 am : link
He doesn’t want to sell off the entire farm. He in no way wants to include the lottery pick. He says he’d only do KP plus Frank for AD. He’s totally against a quick fix. Says they don’t work in the NBA.
RE: Would you do this deal?  
Pep22 : 1/31/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14281935 Strahan91 said:
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Knicks trade KP, THJ, Lee, Kornet and their 2019 1st (top 1 protected in which case it would turn into two future 1's)

for

AD, Wesley Johnson, Diallo, and Ian Clark

I'm inclined to say yes. It would open up ~$57M in cap space this summer and if you get lucky and wind up with the first pick it doesn't give up your shot at Zion. Plus with all that cap space and AD, it's hard to see how the Knicks wouldn't be able to recruit a top FA and a solid secondary one or two.

This was proposed by Kevin Pelton who said that it's the deal he thinks makes the most sense from the Pelicans perspective if they trade Davis before this summer but the wildcard is how they view the likelihood they can ink KP and if they'd be willing to make the deal without the pick having a shot of turning into Zion.


Yes, b/c we keep Knox, Trier, Robinson to give AD support and have cap room for more.
This is a big guarding a small  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 10:49 am : link
https://twitter.com/NolanJensen_/status/1090048764537012224
RE: This is a big guarding a small  
Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14281948 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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https://twitter.com/NolanJensen_/status/1090048764537012224

That doesn't seem fair...
RE: Dan and the rest of the more knowledgaable Knicks/NBA fans:  
GeofromNJ : 1/31/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14281849 mattyblue said:
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Isn’t the #1 pick (Zion) more valuable than Anthony Davis? I keep reading articles about the Knicks trading that pick for Davis, but that Zion kid looks ridiculous. The NBA system seems silly with that lottery thing as teams tank anyways..

The Knicks might not get the 1st overall selection> I'd trade the pick and players, but I wouldn't trade KP.
RE: Knicks only have a 14% chance of the #1 pick.  
GeofromNJ : 1/31/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14281874 Heisenberg said:
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Of course they have the perfect tank year in the first year with the new rules.

Figures, doesn't it.
RE: For  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14281928 DanMetroMan said:
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the record I've been all aboard the Zion train for a long time now. There is nothing Morant can do that would have me taking him #1 but as of now he's #2 on my personal "board" and by a "decent' margin at the moment.


i agree i like morant think he is a better fit but you cant pass on zion
I think I’d trade everything for AD  
djm : 1/31/2019 10:53 am : link
As long as I have two max slots next summer. And when i say everything I mean everything and anything.

Think about what we’d have here.
Zion  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 11:00 am : link
I'm all aboard the Zion train and agree that people are nitpicking his game. He's a freak and by far the best prospect in the draft. I'm sorry but there is a steep drop off to Morant, Barrett etc...

The problem is, at best, there is an 86% chance the Knicks do not get the top pick. The odds simply aren't in their favor. If you can get the Pelicans to bite now, you have to roll the dice. And if you include KP, you better include THJ and have good intel you can get 1 max and more this summer.

As for the tank, this a 4 team race to the bottom. Although I could see Hardaway going off in April and the Knicks closing the season on a winning streak. It's why he got that 70 million contract!

Lastly, why is Hardaway playing and not Lee?
Never mind how he did in the NBA, Wiggins was considered  
Anakim : 1/31/2019 11:01 am : link
an elite NBA prospect and the Cavs traded him for Love.
RE: This is a big guarding a small  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14281948 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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https://twitter.com/NolanJensen_/status/1090048764537012224


Didn't do so well against DeAndre Hunter though. 8-14, 18 points with Williamson guarding him.
Zion vs KP  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 11:04 am : link
I think I would roll with Zion (upside). But a 14% chance for Zion or KP? I trade the pick.
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