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Kanter last night said he was grateful to say thank you to the fans one last time then realizing ehat he said backpedalled and said he doesnt know

5/14?

I'd rank him 3rd in the MVP race behind Harden and Giannis, but he is just a special offensive player. I still think he'd get exposed defensively in a playoff series so I'd still rank him closer to 10th than 5th on the "best player" rankings. But as far as regular season MVP, very few have a better argument.

Zion is special. If he stays healthy, I would be surprised if he wasn't atleast as good as Clippers Blake Griffin with a decent chance at being a legendary Barkley/Kemp hybrid.

The good Kemp. Still, Zion seems somewhat risky since he’s so overwhelmingly physically gifted and relies on that more than “skill”, IMO. If Zion was 6’10 I would feel better about his game

You move Frank for DSJ? (I know one game).

Comparison. Athletic.

What we'd have to give up to get Davis is ridiculous.
Davis is making $27 mil per and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2 years. He'll make $40 million per year then.

If you get #1 and get Zion, he's yours for like $9 million per and under control for 4 years. And you keep your other assets like Knox and KP. There's no way you trade this pick if you get one of the top 3.

Blue Devil, but I'll love him in a NY minute if he's a Knick.

In comment 14281995 Carl in CT said:

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You move Frank for DSJ? (I know one game).

Its why that proposed trade of Matthews/ DSJ for Frank and Hardaway was hilarious. So the Mavs would be downgrading both players and taking on more money? Why on earth would they do that?

And I get Smith has flaws. But Frank hasn't flashed 1/100th of his offensive ability....

In comment 14282003 TyreeHelmet said:

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And I get Smith has flaws. But Frank hasn't flashed 1/100th of his offensive ability....

Don't tell the Posting and Toasting writers, who get VERY angry at anyone who suggests Frenchy is horrendous on offense.

Anyway, elsewhere in the association....Grayson Allen is still a piece of shit.
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A man can dream.
The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend

davis would not resign in boston because he thinks irving is not staying...

also says boston is nervous the knicks could trade for davis and then sign irving away

In comment 14282018 larryflower37 said:

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A man can dream. The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend

I could see the Knicks getting cold feet on a Davis deal if they actually win the Zion sweepstakes. Not saying they should, but right now it's just a draft pick - a 14 percent chance at a player. If they meet with Zion and work him out, he may win them over.

maybe the times they are a-changing...

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The most pressing question for Boston is whether they could acquire Davis without including Jayson Tatum in the deal. If the Celtics get the chance, Boston will be able to offer any or all of: Jaylen Brown, Gordon Hayward, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier (though Rozier would have to agree to a sign-and-trade, raising thorny cap complications)

wow! The Celtics would really be generous enough to offer Hayward and Smart? How big of them! What a bunch of crap. This is just Lowe carrying the water for Ainge/Zarren.

Only way I see the Celtics able to offer a competitive package without Tatum is if the Memphis pick ends up at #9 and the Kings pick ends up in the 2-4 range.

if boston does indeed tell the pelicans to wait and offer tatum than at the end of the year take tatum off the table they are risking relationships around the league...

Kevin Garnett was given to them by Kevin McHale, multiple premium picks were given to them by the Nets - they've had a charmed existence.

Nice to see some panic setting in up there though. That dynasty everyone seemed so certain of has some serious question marks.

Celtics aren't landing Davis without Tatum. Simple as that. Their other pieces simply aren't that valuable no matter how much spin they want to put on it. Lottery protected LAC pick? Top 8 protected Memphis pick? lolz #Knicks

DMM posts are they ones he obviously copied from his twitter feed.

Those are the names the Pelicans should be (and most likely are) targeting. What the heck are they gonna do with the likes of Jaylen Brown or Lonzo Ball?

who wrote that pelicans sources are telling her they covet lonzo ball haha

that Jaylen Brown will be a very good player- he doesnt suit the kyrie iso ball offense. but last postseason he showed he is an excellent player- imo better than the garbage the lakers are offering. a better piece than knox- obviously not as good as tatum, the top pick, or if KP showed he were healthy and willing to commit to an extension.

In comment 14282045 bceagle05 said:

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In comment 14282018 larryflower37 said: Quote: A man can dream. The way they could stretch the floor would be tough to defend I could see the Knicks getting cold feet on a Davis deal if they actually win the Zion sweepstakes. Not saying they should, but right now it's just a draft pick - a 14 percent chance at a player. If they meet with Zion and work him out, he may win them over.

I completely agree.
Plus you still have pieces to move for a backcourt and cap space if you can move THR.
But let's be honest does anyone believe they won't mess this thing up?

In comment 14282088 Jon in NYC said:

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DMM posts are they ones he obviously copied from his twitter feed.

Copied MYSELF just to clarify lol

Nothing earth shattering but that @wojespn report makes perfect sense. Zero incentive for the Pelicans to deal Davis to the Lakers in-season (even if that's where he ends up).

In comment 14282126 hitdog42 said:

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that Jaylen Brown will be a very good player- he doesnt suit the kyrie iso ball offense. but last postseason he showed he is an excellent player- imo better than the garbage the lakers are offering. a better piece than knox- obviously not as good as tatum, the top pick, or if KP showed he were healthy and willing to commit to an extension.

Possibly but he simply hasn't taken a major step forward and this is now year 3. Everyone said year 2 would be a huge difference and that didn't happen (much like Ingram in fact). PER is down, WS/48 is down, shooting is down and career 67% from the line for a 6'7 kid isn't ideal. Trust me here, if Knox only shows this much in year 3, I'll be saying the same things.

that Woj/Lowe article I think I'd be willing to call Davis' bluff if I were most teams in the NBA. The offer the Lakers are giving up is pure garbage and the Pelicans won't want to deal Davis too them for 1) creating this circus and 2) the offer sucks. If the only way Davis becomes a Laker is through free agency that doesn't happen until a year and a half from now, when Lebron is in his age 36 season. In that scenario the Lakers can't dish out big contracts this coming off season as they would need the money to afford Davis as a free agent the next year. Davis would have to be a moron to turn down all other overtures to sign long term in order to team up with a 36 year old Lebron and Kyle Kuzma and pretty much nothing else.

In comment 14282085 DanMetroMan said:

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Celtics aren't landing Davis without Tatum. Simple as that. Their other pieces simply aren't that valuable no matter how much spin they want to put on it. Lottery protected LAC pick? Top 8 protected Memphis pick? lolz #Knicks

Agree with this and what Enzo said earlier. If Boston doesn’t include Tatum, I don’t see this great package everyone keeps referencing. Unless the Sac pick turns into the 2nd or 3rd overall pick.

But if I’m the Pelicans I would take the 4 young Lakers guys and multiple unprotected firsts over a Celtics package without Tatum. Especially since any player the Celtics draft cannot be traded until August/ September. Do they really want drag out that process?

that doesn't include Tatum, the NBA needs to step in.

If I'm the Knicks, to do this I need one of the 3 objectives below and I make the move.

Davis while keeping KP.

Davis while keeping the 2019 1st.

Davis while opening up 2 max slots in free agency.

Reporting with @ZachLowe and @RamonaShelburne: In meeting with management today, Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis expressed his concern with the losing, franchise direction and an uncertainty that a culture is developing that will enable sustainable organizational success.

just be patient for 1 year that is all 1 year!

i wonder if his agent told him knicks are looking to trade him for davis

In comment 14282212 nygiants16 said:

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just be patient for 1 year that is all 1 year! i wonder if his agent told him knicks are looking to trade him for davis

His agent is his brother so he probably knows as much as we do. Which is to say, you’re probably right lol

when phil wanted to trade him, he is a whiny baby, dude is not even playing and he is complaining the team is losing, seriously?

Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here?

I still don’t think it’s possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...

In comment 14282210 Strahan91 said:

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Reporting with @ZachLowe and @RamonaShelburne: In meeting with management today, Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis expressed his concern with the losing, franchise direction and an uncertainty that a culture is developing that will enable sustainable organizational success.

Uhhh KP, you're on the Knicks. This is news to you? We've been the laughing stock of sports since the Browns actually won some games this year.

so badly because, uh, he's not playing?

really not at all concerned with how Porzingis feels about anything. Similar to what Dan was talking about yesterday, I don't think there is a shot in hell he turns down an extension this off season and plays on a one year qualifying offer coming off of a major injury and multiple injury plagued seasons to start his career. Whether he buys into whats going on or not, its really trivial until he is a full blown free agent who can control his own destiny.

There's no arguing that. If he wants to gamble and wait a year to be unrestricted - he certainly has that option.

In comment 14282226 TyreeHelmet said:

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Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here? I still don’t think it’s possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man...

umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone...

Would it be worthwhile to trade every single resource we have here for AD as long as you’re freeing up enough cap space for 2 max slots and roster room? Who cares if we have nothing left after getting AD because two max deals along with AD makes everything better. No?

when he's just not there yet.

I think that's the turn off.

Whether it was Carmelo in his ear, or whatever happened to him I don't know but he is the Matt Harvey of the Knicks.

I get he's dealt with the Knicks losing org., but at this point now all he has to do is get healthy and in all likelihood come back to a totally revamped and hopefully much better team.

I also wish Phil traded him before he left.

In comment 14282234 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14282226 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here? I still don’t think it’s possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man... umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone...

I’ll give you Knox. But are you really confident in any of the other guys being good nba starters or atleast contributors on a good team?

Which reminds me- Fizdale was hired in part because of his player development skills. Have you really seen any legit positive growth/ strides in the young guys this season?

In comment 14282240 djm said:

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Who cares if we have nothing left after getting AD because two max deals along with AD makes everything better. No?

I have absolutely zero faith in the Knicks wooing anyone.

Remember this is a kid who last played in high school before this year. He's a project but one with a lot of potential.

If he does accept the qualifying offer, he has no-trade protection. In other words, if he plays next season on the qualifying offer he's as good as gone and you don't get anything for him. Get ready for this staring contest to play itself out over the next few months...

In the end, if the Knicks offer the max I think he stays. He can always try to force a trade later on like everyone else does. If the Knicks try to get cute with the contract, all bets are off.

In comment 14282243 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 14282234 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14282226 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: Can you really blame the guy? The team is a compete train wreck on the court and Steve Mills is still employed. Who are the legit long term pieces here? I still don’t think it’s possible but watch KP make history and accept the QO. Imagine this happens and the Knicks end up with the 7th pick. Oh man... umm knox, trier, robinson all are long term pieces, not to mention a top pick coking and if kp was not such a baby a max slot he can recruit someone... I’ll give you Knox. But are you really confident in any of the other guys being good nba starters or atleast contributors on a good team? Which reminds me- Fizdale was hired in part because of his player development skills. Have you really seen any legit positive growth/ strides in the young guys this season?

you have not seen improvement from mudiay, vonleh?

robinson you dknt think can be nba starter? seriously? he didnt play any basketball last year and already looks like he belongs..

Trier i think can easily be a 6th man scorer off the bench..

i dont get how you can watch and not think trier or robinson cant be contributors...

hell luke kornet looks better this year than last

they told you they were going to suck over and over again, fizdale said it over and over again they were going to suck...

it is funny last year damn this team won 5 of 7 games to end the year they didnt tank right..

this yesr they are tanking right and now it is they are losing and suck this stinks...

and the idiot brother

Cash your checks, wear your ugly suits on the bench and shut your fucking mouth.