Perry is dumb enough to do this without some type of knowledge that Durant is very very strong possibility, almost a "he's going to come here" kind of thinking. If they walk away with nothing after this, Mills and Perry go down in the history books as an all time fail for the Knicks organization.
Durant and Irving are pretty much best friends, so maybe that means nothing, maybe it means something, but it just feels like the Knicks know something the rest of us don't.
has actually made me feel better. After 20 years of crap, maybe there is finally a plan (though I doubt KD is coming).
It sucks that in the modern NBA, it seems a team has to tank for multiple seasons before they have any chance of competing for a title. The Knicks have been putting it off too long.
RE: They aren't going to suddenly start winning games
Those two along with DSJ, plus the subtraction of the losing player that is THJ is absolutely capable of winning just enough games to screw this up. Those guys dont make them a playoff contender, but they are capable of winning some games. You can refuse to believe that if you want, just watch it happen.
for as many assets as you can then flip all these picks and potentially DSJ for Anthony Davis (as long as he commits to the Knicks). Get your one superstar this year and sign one in the offseason.
"be a winner" with these guys, but keep in mind that the margin of error is low. Losing just about every game is pretty important.
A heat-check guy like DSJ plus a few expiring role-player guys eager to prove their worth for impending free agency could throw some small but undesirable wrinkles into the lose-a-thon.
Spend the next week trying to trade Jordan/Matthews for even worse players who are also on expiring deals. see if you can get some second round picks, future picks, or other booty for your trouble.
...want to sign with an epic shit franchise like the New York Knicks?
Several people have given their opinion on this in the thread but I guess easier to just ask again so you can insult the franchise??
Simple answer: it's the Knicks (only pro sports team in the city that gets the entire city behind it) and you get to play in the Garden 41+ times a year....the chance to be the savior of that?? Someone, someday will be the savior .and when it happens they will own the city in a way that no player has.
I didn't think the Knicks franchise could dive any lower; that is, until yesterday.
This wild, crazy trade is ENITRELY predicated on NBA Superstar free agents flocking to sign with them.
So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
but Deandre was one of the few big name free agents the Phil/Mills regime was able to even get a meeting with.
We finally got him! Add him to LONG list of ex-stars/big names to end up here for a short time over the last 20 years: Penny, Jalen Rose, Derrick Rose, Kidd, Bibby, Baron Davis, Antonio Davis, Steve Francis, McGrady, Larry Hughes...
for as many assets as you can then flip all these picks and potentially DSJ for Anthony Davis (as long as he commits to the Knicks). Get your one superstar this year and sign one in the offseason.
Whats the most you can expect for any of these guys in a trade, second rounders? Can they still trade for trade exemptions, or theyd expire at the deadline? Anyway to trade Noahs contract still after buyout, or stuck with it?
one nice thing about this new lottery is if they do go on little streak of wins after getting Matthews/Smith/Jordan it really won't effect their odds of getting Zion much. Yes, the worst case scenario pick will get lower but realistically they have 10 fewer wins than Memphis with 32 games to go; no way are they going to win 10 more games than Memphis over that span. So worst case scenario they fall to 5th worst record and in that scenario their odds of a top 4 pick drop by 10% and their odds of the #1 overall pick fall only 3.5%; so then the new lottery system will actually benefit them as opposed to hurting them like it is doing right now.
I would imagine they're first preference would be KD, Kyrie and Kawhi
what did you propose the Knicks do if Porzingis said he didn't want to be a part of the team? Fuck that...if he wants out, trade him. They cleared out terrible contracts, got space for 2 max, 2 first round picks including 1 unprotected. That's pretty good value for a guy who hasn't accomplished much, was a hurt a good amount while here, and said to the team that he doesn't want to play for them.
Just wondering, if they couldnt get Irving/Durant this year. Would it make sense to use the cap money to absorb other teams contracts for the year in exchange for firsts? Tank one more year, get another top five pick, then use the cap money the following year?
RE: RE: RE: Why would ANY top flight NBA free agent...
...want to sign with an epic shit franchise like the New York Knicks?
Several people have given their opinion on this in the thread but I guess easier to just ask again so you can insult the franchise??
Simple answer: it's the Knicks (only pro sports team in the city that gets the entire city behind it) and you get to play in the Garden 41+ times a year....the chance to be the savior of that?? Someone, someday will be the savior .and when it happens they will own the city in a way that no player has.
I didn't think the Knicks franchise could dive any lower; that is, until yesterday.
This wild, crazy trade is ENITRELY predicated on NBA Superstar free agents flocking to sign with them.
So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
You should listen to evan roberts explain what you do since his team did the exact thing to turn it around. Stop fucking whining already. If you dont wanna root for the knicks anymore dont. If/when they sign Durant and another guy, dont come running back and being excited.
The overreactions over a guy who barely plays has been hilarious
for as many assets as you can then flip all these picks and potentially DSJ for Anthony Davis (as long as he commits to the Knicks). Get your one superstar this year and sign one in the offseason.
Whats the most you can expect for any of these guys in a trade, second rounders? Can they still trade for trade exemptions, or theyd expire at the deadline? Anyway to trade Noahs contract still after buyout, or stuck with it?
Who cares. Get anything. 2nd round picks are fine. Anything we can do to sweeten the pot for AD. We shouldn't be playing any of them to keep the tank going and you gotta figure a guy averaging 11 and 13 with a PER of 18 has gotta get you something from a potential contender.
one nice thing about this new lottery is if they do go on little streak of wins after getting Matthews/Smith/Jordan it really won't effect their odds of getting Zion much. Yes, the worst case scenario pick will get lower but realistically they have 10 fewer wins than Memphis with 32 games to go; no way are they going to win 10 more games than Memphis over that span. So worst case scenario they fall to 5th worst record and in that scenario their odds of a top 4 pick drop by 10% and their odds of the #1 overall pick fall only 3.5%; so then the new lottery system will actually benefit them as opposed to hurting them like it is doing right now.
Yes to the top 4 picks but it also increases our chances of getting worse picks. The team with the worst record can finish no worse than 5th, second worst 6th, and so on so that worst record is kind of important.
The Knicks are NOT done trading. Many of the contenders have BIG holes to fill before a playoff run.
Because the Knicks were over the cap, they cannot trade Matthews or Jordan together with other players- but they CAN trade them individually and get multiple players/picks back.
For example, the Sixers need wing scoring and a PF. The Knicks could offer Matthews to the Sixers for Chandler and Korkmaz (Chandler for Matthews alone comes up about $750,000 short) and some picks.
Keep in mind that the Sixers "own" the Knicks 2020 and 2021 second round picks. In addition, the Sixers have the Bulls 2019 second rounder. The Knicks could ask for their own picks back, or just aim for the Chicago pick, which will have solid value (that's about where they got Robinson last year).
Another option- Capela is likely out for the majority of the regular season- and may be limited when he returns for Houston. Trading Jordan for Knight and Criss and filler like Gerald Green and picks. Houston is in a dogfight to hols playoff position- they are 6th in the West- with the Jazz, Clippers, Lakers all within 3 games of them- and are only 2 games out of the 4 seed. They have incentive to make a deal.
Houston has all of its 1st rounders going forward. The Knicks already have Houston's 2nd rounder in 2019. Houston probably doesn't mind sending out a 1st since they can safely assume that these aren't difference making picks (at least for Houston). However, the Knicks need to collect assets, so any 1st rounder is valuable.
Along the same lines, the Clippers are in a playoff spot, but are REALLY weak in the paint- and are VERY familiar with Jordan. A trade of Jordan for Gortat, Teodosic and a 2021 1st (the Clips already traded their 2019 1st rounder to Boston) would work as well.
The Lakers are weak in shooting from deep and LeBron is back. Matthews makes sense there in a deal for Rondo and Stephenson (plus a minimum salary filler) and picks. The Lakers have all of their picks except for their 2019 second rounder. Matthews makes sense as an expiring, which won't hinder their FA plans this summer, while still giving them a vet deep threat for the playoffs.
There are other moves that make sense. Kanter is a flawed player who is hard to trade, but Matthews and Jordan may fit the contenders better.
Good post, although we've established here on BBI that Brandon Knight has another year on his deal (ESPN trade machine is wrong).
...want to sign with an epic shit franchise like the New York Knicks?
Several people have given their opinion on this in the thread but I guess easier to just ask again so you can insult the franchise??
Simple answer: it's the Knicks (only pro sports team in the city that gets the entire city behind it) and you get to play in the Garden 41+ times a year....the chance to be the savior of that?? Someone, someday will be the savior .and when it happens they will own the city in a way that no player has.
I didn't think the Knicks franchise could dive any lower; that is, until yesterday.
This wild, crazy trade is ENITRELY predicated on NBA Superstar free agents flocking to sign with them.
So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
The abject failure that was the Melo era had little to do with Melo himself. For one, they gutted their draft currency for a long time with the deals to move their big contracts and then Melo. More importantly, the key mistake there was picking up Billups' option and then amnestying him once Tyson Chandler became available. They knew the risk that was Amare's knees and of course shortly thereafter he was never the same player again. The amnesty was their get out of jail free card they could've kept in their back pockets but didn't. I know for a fact from a former GM who was active at the time that it was hardly a secret that Chris Paul was going to sign with the Knicks but they didn't have the cap space because of that one really dumb move. Not only could they have paired Melo with Paul but they would've had room for another big contract as well. That's at least a title contender, especially in the NBA back then. On the surface this looks a lot like where we were back then but in reality, it's quite different.
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
1) They had to strip the entire roster just to get melo here. That wouldn't be the case now.
2) If they don't, they still have their draft picks, they still have a top 3 pick this year, and they still have their young players BECAUSE they didn't strip the entire roster to trade for a star just like they did for Melo.
I don't think either guy has totally made up his mind.
Kyrie has already said he would to play for Knicks some day. KD is known to like New York as a city.
In strictly basketball terms, it does not necessarily make sense for either to come here because of the lack of talent. That's why I think Zion is important. Whether they sign those guys could come down to ping pong balls.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why would ANY top flight NBA free agent...
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
1) They had to strip the entire roster just to get melo here. That wouldn't be the case now.
2) If they don't, they still have their draft picks, they still have a top 3 pick this year, and they still have their young players BECAUSE they didn't strip the entire roster to trade for a star just like they did for Melo.
What do you mean they have a top 3 pick this year? As of right now the best you can say is we have a top 5 pick. If we move up in the standings that 5 will increase.
If I had more faith in this front office and the rep of this team around the league, I'd actually be pretty excited about the blank canvas we now have. I don't have a lot of faith in KP staying healthy, so it's a bit of a relief to not have to commit $150 million to him. I also wonder if a top free agent would have enough faith in KP's health to join him long term. It might be easier to sell the free agent combo package than sell KP as a running mate. Let's face it, KD, Kawhi, Kyrie and Klay are all better players than KP - if we pull off the miracle and actually land two of them, we're in much better shape.
We now have a surplus of draft picks, and abundance of cap space, and a group of young players would can be developed or easily traded if the right deal comes along. Every single avenue to building a contender is available to us.
Now, my gripes...
Do I think this front office can convince two stars to come here? I'd put the chances at about 10 percent.
I have no faith whatsoever in Steve Mills. He's a joke. Alan Hahn was adamant on the Michael Kay Show yesterday that Scott Perry is steering the ship, and I hope he's right.
Even if yesterday's trade was the prudent thing to do, we still come across as dysfunctional. I didn't pay much attention to the Noah stretch provision or Kanter's clown act as evidence that the Knicks were still a mess, but failing to repair the relationship with KP is troubling, though KP and his idiot brother take their share of that blame.
The good news is this summer will bring clarity. If we sign two impact players to go along with our high draft pick, we're on a path to immediate contention. If we strike out on the top guys and resist the urge to splurge on second- and third-tier guys, we're on a slower path to contention through the draft, but still acceptable. If we overpay guys like Tobias Harris or Kemba Walker, we know we're staying in no man's land probably for the rest of our lives, or Jim Dolan's life.
But with some coaching I see Trier having a career equal to Knox. I think he could be our John Starks of the past. He is much more of an asset then given credit for.
RE: It gives KD and Kyrie something to think about
Kyrie has already said he would to play for Knicks some day. KD is known to like New York as a city.
Everyone says things like that. Virtually no one actually means it when they have to face the fact that playing for the Knicks meaning playing for their clown show organization.
In any case, I would like to offer a counterpoint: The trade was good. It was the right decision. It could backfire spectacularly, yes, but that's fine. The Knicks now have a chance to build an honest-to-god title contender this summer. That matters. Keeping Porzingis and playing things "smart" would have been a great way to impress NBA Twitter and then win 43 games next year. Purely from a process standpoint, this was the better play.
The first way you can tell this trade was the right decision? The Boston Celtics and all their fans almost certainly hated it. Ditto for the Golden State Warriors. The Knicks began Thursday without enough cap space to sign Kevin Durant, and by Thursday afternoon they had $74.6 million to spend this summerenough space to sign both Durant and an additional superstar on a max contract. They also have Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith, Jr., and seven firstround picks over the next five yearsthose are trade assets for a third star.
So what happens if Dallas has a top 10 pick that year? They get to keep it and the Knicks get nothing?
Then they either get one of the following two years' Dallas first round picks top 10 protected. If they haven't gotten one of those picks by 2025, it turns into a second rounder in 2025.
So what happens if Dallas has a top 10 pick that year? They get to keep it and the Knicks get nothing?
Then they either get one of the following two years' Dallas first round picks top 10 protected. If they haven't gotten one of those picks by 2025, it turns into a second rounder in 2025.
I'm much more curious what happens to the 2021 unprotected pick if the Mavs keep their 2019 pick instead of having to trade to Atlanta...
Kyrie has already said he would to play for Knicks some day. KD is known to like New York as a city.
Everyone says things like that. Virtually no one actually means it when they have to face the fact that playing for the Knicks meaning playing for their clown show organization.
I think the clown show is genuine but affects Knicks fans more than NBA players.
Potential free agents are going to look at the current team not the past 20 years of bungling moves.
The biggest negative imo is that veteran players tend not to put much stock in young guys like Knox, who could be good someday but is clearly not yet an NBA starting player. And, really, young undeveloped players are all the Knicks have to offer.
Durant and Irving are pretty much best friends, so maybe that means nothing, maybe it means something, but it just feels like the Knicks know something the rest of us don't.
It sucks that in the modern NBA, it seems a team has to tank for multiple seasons before they have any chance of competing for a title. The Knicks have been putting it off too long.
Those two along with DSJ, plus the subtraction of the losing player that is THJ is absolutely capable of winning just enough games to screw this up. Those guys dont make them a playoff contender, but they are capable of winning some games. You can refuse to believe that if you want, just watch it happen.
He's not good - he won't mess anything up. Nor will Matthews. We are still going to be terrible.
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Looking forward to it too.
Beningo LOVES the trade! Im shocked.
Talking about how they love, more than anything the unprotected 1st coming back.
A heat-check guy like DSJ plus a few expiring role-player guys eager to prove their worth for impending free agency could throw some small but undesirable wrinkles into the lose-a-thon.
Spend the next week trying to trade Jordan/Matthews for even worse players who are also on expiring deals. see if you can get some second round picks, future picks, or other booty for your trouble.
If you have zero luck moving them, buy them out.
He's not good - he won't mess anything up. Nor will Matthews. We are still going to be terrible.
We're still going to be terrible! YAY!
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...want to sign with an epic shit franchise like the New York Knicks?
Several people have given their opinion on this in the thread but I guess easier to just ask again so you can insult the franchise??
Simple answer: it's the Knicks (only pro sports team in the city that gets the entire city behind it) and you get to play in the Garden 41+ times a year....the chance to be the savior of that?? Someone, someday will be the savior .and when it happens they will own the city in a way that no player has.
I didn't think the Knicks franchise could dive any lower; that is, until yesterday.
This wild, crazy trade is ENITRELY predicated on NBA Superstar free agents flocking to sign with them.
So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
We finally got him! Add him to LONG list of ex-stars/big names to end up here for a short time over the last 20 years: Penny, Jalen Rose, Derrick Rose, Kidd, Bibby, Baron Davis, Antonio Davis, Steve Francis, McGrady, Larry Hughes...
Very strange.
Whats the most you can expect for any of these guys in a trade, second rounders? Can they still trade for trade exemptions, or theyd expire at the deadline? Anyway to trade Noahs contract still after buyout, or stuck with it?
Just wondering, if they couldnt get Irving/Durant this year. Would it make sense to use the cap money to absorb other teams contracts for the year in exchange for firsts? Tank one more year, get another top five pick, then use the cap money the following year?
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...want to sign with an epic shit franchise like the New York Knicks?
Several people have given their opinion on this in the thread but I guess easier to just ask again so you can insult the franchise??
Simple answer: it's the Knicks (only pro sports team in the city that gets the entire city behind it) and you get to play in the Garden 41+ times a year....the chance to be the savior of that?? Someone, someday will be the savior .and when it happens they will own the city in a way that no player has.
I didn't think the Knicks franchise could dive any lower; that is, until yesterday.
This wild, crazy trade is ENITRELY predicated on NBA Superstar free agents flocking to sign with them.
So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
You should listen to evan roberts explain what you do since his team did the exact thing to turn it around. Stop fucking whining already. If you dont wanna root for the knicks anymore dont. If/when they sign Durant and another guy, dont come running back and being excited.
The overreactions over a guy who barely plays has been hilarious
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for as many assets as you can then flip all these picks and potentially DSJ for Anthony Davis (as long as he commits to the Knicks). Get your one superstar this year and sign one in the offseason.
Whats the most you can expect for any of these guys in a trade, second rounders? Can they still trade for trade exemptions, or theyd expire at the deadline? Anyway to trade Noahs contract still after buyout, or stuck with it?
Who cares. Get anything. 2nd round picks are fine. Anything we can do to sweeten the pot for AD. We shouldn't be playing any of them to keep the tank going and you gotta figure a guy averaging 11 and 13 with a PER of 18 has gotta get you something from a potential contender.
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He's not good - he won't mess anything up. Nor will Matthews. We are still going to be terrible.
We're still going to be terrible! YAY!
For this year, that needs to be priority. It's the only way out of this mess.
Yes to the top 4 picks but it also increases our chances of getting worse picks. The team with the worst record can finish no worse than 5th, second worst 6th, and so on so that worst record is kind of important.
Because the Knicks were over the cap, they cannot trade Matthews or Jordan together with other players- but they CAN trade them individually and get multiple players/picks back.
For example, the Sixers need wing scoring and a PF. The Knicks could offer Matthews to the Sixers for Chandler and Korkmaz (Chandler for Matthews alone comes up about $750,000 short) and some picks.
Keep in mind that the Sixers "own" the Knicks 2020 and 2021 second round picks. In addition, the Sixers have the Bulls 2019 second rounder. The Knicks could ask for their own picks back, or just aim for the Chicago pick, which will have solid value (that's about where they got Robinson last year).
Another option- Capela is likely out for the majority of the regular season- and may be limited when he returns for Houston. Trading Jordan for Knight and Criss and filler like Gerald Green and picks. Houston is in a dogfight to hols playoff position- they are 6th in the West- with the Jazz, Clippers, Lakers all within 3 games of them- and are only 2 games out of the 4 seed. They have incentive to make a deal.
Houston has all of its 1st rounders going forward. The Knicks already have Houston's 2nd rounder in 2019. Houston probably doesn't mind sending out a 1st since they can safely assume that these aren't difference making picks (at least for Houston). However, the Knicks need to collect assets, so any 1st rounder is valuable.
Along the same lines, the Clippers are in a playoff spot, but are REALLY weak in the paint- and are VERY familiar with Jordan. A trade of Jordan for Gortat, Teodosic and a 2021 1st (the Clips already traded their 2019 1st rounder to Boston) would work as well.
The Lakers are weak in shooting from deep and LeBron is back. Matthews makes sense there in a deal for Rondo and Stephenson (plus a minimum salary filler) and picks. The Lakers have all of their picks except for their 2019 second rounder. Matthews makes sense as an expiring, which won't hinder their FA plans this summer, while still giving them a vet deep threat for the playoffs.
There are other moves that make sense. Kanter is a flawed player who is hard to trade, but Matthews and Jordan may fit the contenders better.
Good post, although we've established here on BBI that Brandon Knight has another year on his deal (ESPN trade machine is wrong).
Obviously, it is a risk, but I'd be pretty sure they signalled they have 2 max contract slots open knowing there's going to be signings.
They wont go 0-5.
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...want to sign with an epic shit franchise like the New York Knicks?
Several people have given their opinion on this in the thread but I guess easier to just ask again so you can insult the franchise??
Simple answer: it's the Knicks (only pro sports team in the city that gets the entire city behind it) and you get to play in the Garden 41+ times a year....the chance to be the savior of that?? Someone, someday will be the savior .and when it happens they will own the city in a way that no player has.
I didn't think the Knicks franchise could dive any lower; that is, until yesterday.
This wild, crazy trade is ENITRELY predicated on NBA Superstar free agents flocking to sign with them.
So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
The abject failure that was the Melo era had little to do with Melo himself. For one, they gutted their draft currency for a long time with the deals to move their big contracts and then Melo. More importantly, the key mistake there was picking up Billups' option and then amnestying him once Tyson Chandler became available. They knew the risk that was Amare's knees and of course shortly thereafter he was never the same player again. The amnesty was their get out of jail free card they could've kept in their back pockets but didn't. I know for a fact from a former GM who was active at the time that it was hardly a secret that Chris Paul was going to sign with the Knicks but they didn't have the cap space because of that one really dumb move. Not only could they have paired Melo with Paul but they would've had room for another big contract as well. That's at least a title contender, especially in the NBA back then. On the surface this looks a lot like where we were back then but in reality, it's quite different.
Yeah they could potentially win a game here or there, but I don't think it's as big a concern as some may think.
So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
1) They had to strip the entire roster just to get melo here. That wouldn't be the case now.
2) If they don't, they still have their draft picks, they still have a top 3 pick this year, and they still have their young players BECAUSE they didn't strip the entire roster to trade for a star just like they did for Melo.
Kyrie has already said he would to play for Knicks some day. KD is known to like New York as a city.
In strictly basketball terms, it does not necessarily make sense for either to come here because of the lack of talent. That's why I think Zion is important. Whether they sign those guys could come down to ping pong balls.
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So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
1) They had to strip the entire roster just to get melo here. That wouldn't be the case now.
2) If they don't, they still have their draft picks, they still have a top 3 pick this year, and they still have their young players BECAUSE they didn't strip the entire roster to trade for a star just like they did for Melo.
What do you mean they have a top 3 pick this year? As of right now the best you can say is we have a top 5 pick. If we move up in the standings that 5 will increase.
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Knicks upcoming draft picks:
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2020: NYK 1st + CHA 2nd
2021: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (unprotected) + CHA 2nd
2022: NYK 1st + NYK 2nd
2023: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (protected 1-10) + NYK 2nd
We don't have a top 4 pick right now. We have a top 5 pick currently.
We now have a surplus of draft picks, and abundance of cap space, and a group of young players would can be developed or easily traded if the right deal comes along. Every single avenue to building a contender is available to us.
Now, my gripes...
Do I think this front office can convince two stars to come here? I'd put the chances at about 10 percent.
I have no faith whatsoever in Steve Mills. He's a joke. Alan Hahn was adamant on the Michael Kay Show yesterday that Scott Perry is steering the ship, and I hope he's right.
Even if yesterday's trade was the prudent thing to do, we still come across as dysfunctional. I didn't pay much attention to the Noah stretch provision or Kanter's clown act as evidence that the Knicks were still a mess, but failing to repair the relationship with KP is troubling, though KP and his idiot brother take their share of that blame.
The good news is this summer will bring clarity. If we sign two impact players to go along with our high draft pick, we're on a path to immediate contention. If we strike out on the top guys and resist the urge to splurge on second- and third-tier guys, we're on a slower path to contention through the draft, but still acceptable. If we overpay guys like Tobias Harris or Kemba Walker, we know we're staying in no man's land probably for the rest of our lives, or Jim Dolan's life.
Everyone says things like that. Virtually no one actually means it when they have to face the fact that playing for the Knicks meaning playing for their clown show organization.
As old as you hoping someone gets intentionally injured?
The first way you can tell this trade was the right decision? The Boston Celtics and all their fans almost certainly hated it. Ditto for the Golden State Warriors. The Knicks began Thursday without enough cap space to sign Kevin Durant, and by Thursday afternoon they had $74.6 million to spend this summerenough space to sign both Durant and an additional superstar on a max contract. They also have Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Dennis Smith, Jr., and seven firstround picks over the next five yearsthose are trade assets for a third star.
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Then they either get one of the following two years' Dallas first round picks top 10 protected. If they haven't gotten one of those picks by 2025, it turns into a second rounder in 2025.
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So what happens if Dallas has a top 10 pick that year? They get to keep it and the Knicks get nothing?
Then they either get one of the following two years' Dallas first round picks top 10 protected. If they haven't gotten one of those picks by 2025, it turns into a second rounder in 2025.
I'm much more curious what happens to the 2021 unprotected pick if the Mavs keep their 2019 pick instead of having to trade to Atlanta...
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Kyrie has already said he would to play for Knicks some day. KD is known to like New York as a city.
Everyone says things like that. Virtually no one actually means it when they have to face the fact that playing for the Knicks meaning playing for their clown show organization.
I think the clown show is genuine but affects Knicks fans more than NBA players.
Potential free agents are going to look at the current team not the past 20 years of bungling moves.
The biggest negative imo is that veteran players tend not to put much stock in young guys like Knox, who could be good someday but is clearly not yet an NBA starting player. And, really, young undeveloped players are all the Knicks have to offer.
What?