So what happens if Dallas has a top 10 pick that year? They get to keep it and the Knicks get nothing?
Then they either get one of the following two years' Dallas first round picks top 10 protected. If they haven't gotten one of those picks by 2025, it turns into a second rounder in 2025.
I'm much more curious what happens to the 2021 unprotected pick if the Mavs keep their 2019 pick instead of having to trade to Atlanta...
The Mavs pick is only top 5 protected. The Mavs could tank the rest of the way and not get a top 5 pick- unless the magic ping pong ball event occurs.
There are 7 teams in the Eastern Conference alone that have a worse record than Dallas- let alone the Grizz and Suns out West who are significantly worse than Dallas.
Morant's level of competition makes it difficult to judge
If Porzingis wants to complain all the time and has a brother in his ear who appears to be clueless, well maybe a trade was not the worst thing in the world. Needing an explanation about the direction of the franchise is either him using an excuse to get out, or he's just plain stupid. Because what does he not understand? They're tanking for a high pick, trying to shed salary to be players in free agency, and holding him back this season because there's no point in playing him. What about that did he not understand and need explained?
And if the story is true about his brother dictating who they can or cannot sign then I don't see any point in keeping someone like that. KP was exciting and promising, but he wasn't Lebron James to walk around making demands either. So I hope that story is false and just Knicks spin, because it's actually unbelievable that him and his brother would have the balls to act like that. The guy has never even played a full season.
As I mentioned, IF (big time if though) the Knicks wind up with a top 3 pick, and do in fact land 2 star free agents this summer this could wind up being one of the better and franchise changing trades they will ever make. But that is a big if and the odds are against it.
2019: Top-4 overall pick + 2nd rd via ORL, CLE or HOU
2020: NYK 1st + CHA 2nd
2021: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (unprotected) + CHA 2nd
2022: NYK 1st + NYK 2nd
2023: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (protected 1-10) + NYK 2nd
We don't have a top 4 pick right now. We have a top 5 pick currently.
Something else to consider- right now the NBA is debating eliminating the "one and done" rule for college players.
Dallas has exactly TWO picks between now and the 2021 1st rounder- both of them 2020 second rounders- one theirs, and one is either GS or Houston's. Short of bringing in some big time FA in 2020 (hard to do with so many contracts covering 2019 and 2020), they will be BAD in 2020. That could be a top 10 pick or better.
So what happens if Dallas has a top 10 pick that year? They get to keep it and the Knicks get nothing?
Then they either get one of the following two years' Dallas first round picks top 10 protected. If they haven't gotten one of those picks by 2025, it turns into a second rounder in 2025.
I'm much more curious what happens to the 2021 unprotected pick if the Mavs keep their 2019 pick instead of having to trade to Atlanta...
The Mavs pick is only top 5 protected. The Mavs could tank the rest of the way and not get a top 5 pick- unless the magic ping pong ball event occurs.
There are 7 teams in the Eastern Conference alone that have a worse record than Dallas- let alone the Grizz and Suns out West who are significantly worse than Dallas.
The Mavs pick is no longer protected for this upcoming year.
2019: Top-4 overall pick + 2nd rd via ORL, CLE or HOU
2020: NYK 1st + CHA 2nd
2021: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (unprotected) + CHA 2nd
2022: NYK 1st + NYK 2nd
2023: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (protected 1-10) + NYK 2nd
We don't have a top 4 pick right now. We have a top 5 pick currently.
Something else to consider- right now the NBA is debating eliminating the "one and done" rule for college players.
Dallas has exactly TWO picks between now and the 2021 1st rounder- both of them 2020 second rounders- one theirs, and one is either GS or Houston's. Short of bringing in some big time FA in 2020 (hard to do with so many contracts covering 2019 and 2020), they will be BAD in 2020. That could be a top 10 pick or better.
Personal feelings about the Knicks aside, I think they should eliminate the one and done rule.
We should. He may be an attention whore and a black hole on defense, but he's adept in the paint and a very good rebounder. He's good for a double-double every night. That should count for something.
Hypothetically speaking, if we land Kyrie, but not KD or Kawhi
I suspect that if they could have they already would have. Are there teams can take that cap hit without giving back players who don't have expiring contracts?
RE: Hypothetically speaking, if we land Kyrie, but not KD or Kawhi
I would think that the Knicks would then trade DSJ and our first rounder in a package for AD.
I'm not trading this year's 1st rounder for anything if i'm the Knicks. Try to land AD with the Mavs 1st rounders and our futures and maybe DSJ or Knox. Add Kyrie or Durant in the offseason and work around that.
a little more detail on the Dallas #1's the Knicks have now...
"2021 first round draft pick to New York
Two years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York (conveying unprotected in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 or 2025) [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]
2023 first round draft pick to New York
At least four years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed this 1st round pick to New York (the second of two possible) by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]"
so according to this, Knicks may not get Mavs' #1 in 2021 if Atlanta doesn't get a #1 from Dallas until next year...
"2021 first round draft pick to New York
Two years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York (conveying unprotected in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 or 2025) [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]
2023 first round draft pick to New York
At least four years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed this 1st round pick to New York (the second of two possible) by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]"
so according to this, Knicks may not get Mavs' #1 in 2021 if Atlanta doesn't get a #1 from Dallas until next year...
"2021 first round draft pick to New York
Two years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York (conveying unprotected in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 or 2025) [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]
2023 first round draft pick to New York
At least four years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed this 1st round pick to New York (the second of two possible) by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]"
so according to this, Knicks may not get Mavs' #1 in 2021 if Atlanta doesn't get a #1 from Dallas until next year...
What determines when Atlanta gets Dallas's pick?
The link I posted said the Mavs waived their protection in this year's pick.
This, by default, means that the Mavs will send the Hawks their 2019 first-round pick unconditionally, having removed their top five protections.
That looks like Nahmad using logic that takes the Woj/Begley wording as fact.
Other wording of the deal says that the Knicks get the first available Dallas 1st rounder after Hawks get it... Nahmad's logic wouldn't apply to that wording..
The Knicks have heard from at least one team interested in trading for veteran Wes Matthews, league sources told ESPN. If the Knicks dont trade Matthews, hed be a candidate for a buyout. His contract expires after this season.
Anthony Davis is focused on the Lakers as his top preferred destination, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium. The Knicks are also as a preferred landing spot, and made push to New Orleans with offer around Kristaps Porzingis before the Dallas deal.
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
1) They had to strip the entire roster just to get melo here. That wouldn't be the case now.
2) If they don't, they still have their draft picks, they still have a top 3 pick this year, and they still have their young players BECAUSE they didn't strip the entire roster to trade for a star just like they did for Melo.
What do you mean they have a top 3 pick this year? As of right now the best you can say is we have a top 5 pick. If we move up in the standings that 5 will increase.
Fine, top 5 pick if you want to assume the worst case.
It doesn't change to scope of the argument. This isnt 2010, they're starting from a much higher place than that, when they overpaid to get Melo and had no ability to put a team around him. They have all their picks, are coming off a good draft with some solid looking young players that have a future, and they have the ability to tell their #1 target you can get anyone in the league to come with you.
Another interesting angle is from the Mavs perspective
If you're a Mavs fan, your team just traded a top 10 pick in DSJ, an unprotected 1st, another 1st round pick in 2023, two expiring players with trade value in Wes & Jordan for
-overpaid Courtney Lee(1 more year at $12 Mil)
-overpaid & zero defense chucker Tim Hardaway Jr.(1 more year at $18 Mil PLUS a player option for another year at $18 Mil!)
-injury prone KP who hasn't played in like a year coming off a torn ACL who also has a knucklehead of a brother-agent
If you're a Mavs fan, you're hoping against hope that KP not only comes back 100% healthy, but manages to stay healthy going forward at his height and turns into Dirk 2.0. It's a huge swing for the fences for Dallas as well. I just don't think it's very likely to pan out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Why would ANY top flight NBA free agent...
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
1) They had to strip the entire roster just to get melo here. That wouldn't be the case now.
2) If they don't, they still have their draft picks, they still have a top 3 pick this year, and they still have their young players BECAUSE they didn't strip the entire roster to trade for a star just like they did for Melo.
What do you mean they have a top 3 pick this year? As of right now the best you can say is we have a top 5 pick. If we move up in the standings that 5 will increase.
Fine, top 5 pick if you want to assume the worst case.
It doesn't change to scope of the argument. This isnt 2010, they're starting from a much higher place than that, when they overpaid to get Melo and had no ability to put a team around him. They have all their picks, are coming off a good draft with some solid looking young players that have a future, and they have the ability to tell their #1 target you can get anyone in the league to come with you.
I agree with your post. I am just correcting the top 3 part. There is a 52% chance we get the 5th pick. That is more likely then getting the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick combined.
If you're a Mavs fan, you're hoping against hope that KP not only comes back 100% healthy, but manages to stay healthy going forward at his height and turns into Dirk 2.0. It's a huge swing for the fences for Dallas as well. I just don't think it's very likely to pan out.
Yes, this is as much a gamble for the Mavs as it is for the Knicks - maybe more so. If the Knicks were the ones giving up first round picks and taking on bad salaries for a talented player with major health risks, we'd be extremely concerned about it. In fact the Knicks have done it before and gotten burned with McDyess. Amare, too - I know he was a FA signing, but we had to give up first rounders in prior trades to clear space to sign him.
The Knicks have heard from at least one team interested in trading for veteran Wes Matthews, league sources told ESPN. If the Knicks dont trade Matthews, hed be a candidate for a buyout. His contract expires after this season.
Give me all of your 2nd round picks!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matthews might be a good guy to have around if they expect
Wording seems odd to me. Knicks get Dallas next available first round pick. I get that it could mean two years after they trade their pick to Atl. But since the traded pick is top 5 protected, it could be 2022 when Knicks get the Mavs pick in that case.
So I can see why Knicks would say, no I protect this years pick so we guarantee get that pick in 2021. But how does that help the Knicks, only guarantees them a year, but helps Atl since it unlocks the top five protection. Dallas wouldnt want to unprotected it, unless it makes or breaks the Knicks trade. Again, why would it make or break the Knicks trade for the Knicks to guarantee the year?
So, connecting th dots, I dont expect it, but wouldnt be shocked if it comes out the KNICKS got the unprotected pick this year if its top 5, Atl gets it if its not top five. Knicks get the 2021 pick if Atl gets this years, Atl gets 2021 pick UNPRTECTED if Knicks get this years pick.
RE: Matthews might be a good guy to have around if they expect
This online, the draft picks acquired actually gives the knicks a unique ability to try and trade for AD in the offseason that basically blows away all offers the Celtics could make. Basically they will need to match enough salary to trade for Davis so they need at least 24 mil in a deal. The only way to get that much since they have so little cap committed would be they would need to include every player they have under contract. So a deal for AD would look like Knox, Robinson, Smith Jr, Trier and Frank and they would have the unique ability to trade 4 years in a row of first round picks. Basically can trade 2020 straight thru 2013 since the picks they acquired are in alternating years they would still have a 1st every other year. So basically the Pelicans can get 3 recent lottery selections and 4 draft picks as well as 4 first round picks while the Knicks still end up with Davis Durant Kyrie and their top pick this year.
This online, the draft picks acquired actually gives the knicks a unique ability to try and trade for AD in the offseason that basically blows away all offers the Celtics could make. Basically they will need to match enough salary to trade for Davis so they need at least 24 mil in a deal. The only way to get that much since they have so little cap committed would be they would need to include every player they have under contract. So a deal for AD would look like Knox, Robinson, Smith Jr, Trier and Frank and they would have the unique ability to trade 4 years in a row of first round picks. Basically can trade 2020 straight thru 2013 since the picks they acquired are in alternating years they would still have a 1st every other year. So basically the Pelicans can get 3 recent lottery selections and 4 draft picks as well as 4 first round picks while the Knicks still end up with Davis Durant Kyrie and their top pick this year.
Wont need to make salaries match but the picks in straight years Id definitely true. I am in the camp of thinking outside of Tatum, Bostons war chest is vastly overrated. The Memphis pick wont be their til likely 2021 and the clippers and Sac picks will be in the teens in a poor draft this year.
RE: Matthews might be a good guy to have around if they expect
Wont need to make salaries match but the picks in straight years Id definitely true. I am in the camp of thinking outside of Tatum, Bostons war chest is vastly overrated. The Memphis pick wont be their til likely 2021 and the clippers and Sac picks will be in the teens in a poor draft this year.
But if we trade for AD first then can we sign 2 max guys? I don't think so.
RE: RE: Matthews might be a good guy to have around if they expect
This online, the draft picks acquired actually gives the knicks a unique ability to try and trade for AD in the offseason that basically blows away all offers the Celtics could make. Basically they will need to match enough salary to trade for Davis so they need at least 24 mil in a deal. The only way to get that much since they have so little cap committed would be they would need to include every player they have under contract. So a deal for AD would look like Knox, Robinson, Smith Jr, Trier and Frank and they would have the unique ability to trade 4 years in a row of first round picks. Basically can trade 2020 straight thru 2013 since the picks they acquired are in alternating years they would still have a 1st every other year. So basically the Pelicans can get 3 recent lottery selections and 4 draft picks as well as 4 first round picks while the Knicks still end up with Davis Durant Kyrie and their top pick this year.
Salaries don't have to match because the Knicks are under the cap. We would have enough cap space to trade him just for picks alone, if we wanted to and that's what NOP wanted.
This online, the draft picks acquired actually gives the knicks a unique ability to try and trade for AD in the offseason that basically blows away all offers the Celtics could make. Basically they will need to match enough salary to trade for Davis so they need at least 24 mil in a deal. The only way to get that much since they have so little cap committed would be they would need to include every player they have under contract. So a deal for AD would look like Knox, Robinson, Smith Jr, Trier and Frank and they would have the unique ability to trade 4 years in a row of first round picks. Basically can trade 2020 straight thru 2013 since the picks they acquired are in alternating years they would still have a 1st every other year. So basically the Pelicans can get 3 recent lottery selections and 4 draft picks as well as 4 first round picks while the Knicks still end up with Davis Durant Kyrie and their top pick this year.
Yeah I read a few people on reddit today who are considered some of the go to posters for the NBA cap over at /r/nba and they basically echoed this. They seem to think this is a comprehensive plan by the Knicks in trying to set themselves up for getting Durant, Kyrie, and AD and that it is entirely possible this can be accomplished. They don't think this was kneejerk at all and might be looked back upon as genius if everythign falls into place. We'll see I guess.
RE: RE: Knicks will be under the cap in the summer
Wont need to make salaries match but the picks in straight years Id definitely true. I am in the camp of thinking outside of Tatum, Bostons war chest is vastly overrated. The Memphis pick wont be their til likely 2021 and the clippers and Sac picks will be in the teens in a poor draft this year.
But if we trade for AD first then can we sign 2 max guys? I don't think so.
I believe since you are trading New Orleans back close to equivalent salary we still would have enough cap for 2 more maxes. Its a pretty thrilling scenario actually. if some of the rumors are true the Knicks wouldnt have done this unless they (perhaps through back channels) were pretty confident they are getting 2 of the 3 of KD, Kyrie, or Kawhi.
If they were to somehow pull of a couple big ticket FAs AND AD for a bunch of their extra picks and young guys in Frank, Knox etc....this team might be finally interesting again!
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So what happens if Dallas has a top 10 pick that year? They get to keep it and the Knicks get nothing?
Then they either get one of the following two years' Dallas first round picks top 10 protected. If they haven't gotten one of those picks by 2025, it turns into a second rounder in 2025.
I'm much more curious what happens to the 2021 unprotected pick if the Mavs keep their 2019 pick instead of having to trade to Atlanta...
The Mavs pick is only top 5 protected. The Mavs could tank the rest of the way and not get a top 5 pick- unless the magic ping pong ball event occurs.
There are 7 teams in the Eastern Conference alone that have a worse record than Dallas- let alone the Grizz and Suns out West who are significantly worse than Dallas.
And if the story is true about his brother dictating who they can or cannot sign then I don't see any point in keeping someone like that. KP was exciting and promising, but he wasn't Lebron James to walk around making demands either. So I hope that story is false and just Knicks spin, because it's actually unbelievable that him and his brother would have the balls to act like that. The guy has never even played a full season.
As I mentioned, IF (big time if though) the Knicks wind up with a top 3 pick, and do in fact land 2 star free agents this summer this could wind up being one of the better and franchise changing trades they will ever make. But that is a big if and the odds are against it.
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Knicks upcoming draft picks:
2019: Top-4 overall pick + 2nd rd via ORL, CLE or HOU
2020: NYK 1st + CHA 2nd
2021: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (unprotected) + CHA 2nd
2022: NYK 1st + NYK 2nd
2023: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (protected 1-10) + NYK 2nd
We don't have a top 4 pick right now. We have a top 5 pick currently.
Something else to consider- right now the NBA is debating eliminating the "one and done" rule for college players.
Dallas has exactly TWO picks between now and the 2021 1st rounder- both of them 2020 second rounders- one theirs, and one is either GS or Houston's. Short of bringing in some big time FA in 2020 (hard to do with so many contracts covering 2019 and 2020), they will be BAD in 2020. That could be a top 10 pick or better.
HE didn't lose- his team did. Even in college, one great player can't win the game single handedly.
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So what happens if Dallas has a top 10 pick that year? They get to keep it and the Knicks get nothing?
Then they either get one of the following two years' Dallas first round picks top 10 protected. If they haven't gotten one of those picks by 2025, it turns into a second rounder in 2025.
I'm much more curious what happens to the 2021 unprotected pick if the Mavs keep their 2019 pick instead of having to trade to Atlanta...
The Mavs pick is only top 5 protected. The Mavs could tank the rest of the way and not get a top 5 pick- unless the magic ping pong ball event occurs.
There are 7 teams in the Eastern Conference alone that have a worse record than Dallas- let alone the Grizz and Suns out West who are significantly worse than Dallas.
The Mavs pick is no longer protected for this upcoming year.
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Jonathan Wasserman
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Knicks upcoming draft picks:
2019: Top-4 overall pick + 2nd rd via ORL, CLE or HOU
2020: NYK 1st + CHA 2nd
2021: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (unprotected) + CHA 2nd
2022: NYK 1st + NYK 2nd
2023: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (protected 1-10) + NYK 2nd
We don't have a top 4 pick right now. We have a top 5 pick currently.
Something else to consider- right now the NBA is debating eliminating the "one and done" rule for college players.
Dallas has exactly TWO picks between now and the 2021 1st rounder- both of them 2020 second rounders- one theirs, and one is either GS or Houston's. Short of bringing in some big time FA in 2020 (hard to do with so many contracts covering 2019 and 2020), they will be BAD in 2020. That could be a top 10 pick or better.
Personal feelings about the Knicks aside, I think they should eliminate the one and done rule.
We should. He may be an attention whore and a black hole on defense, but he's adept in the paint and a very good rebounder. He's good for a double-double every night. That should count for something.
I suspect that if they could have they already would have. Are there teams can take that cap hit without giving back players who don't have expiring contracts?
That's assuming AD would want to be here.
What if we get the 2nd pick, draft Morant and Durant says he will come here only if we bring Kyrie? You then have Morant, Kyrie and DSJ at the 1
I'm not trading this year's 1st rounder for anything if i'm the Knicks. Try to land AD with the Mavs 1st rounders and our futures and maybe DSJ or Knox. Add Kyrie or Durant in the offseason and work around that.
"2021 first round draft pick to New York
Two years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York (conveying unprotected in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 or 2025) [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]
2023 first round draft pick to New York
At least four years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed this 1st round pick to New York (the second of two possible) by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]"
so according to this, Knicks may not get Mavs' #1 in 2021 if Atlanta doesn't get a #1 from Dallas until next year...
"2021 first round draft pick to New York
Two years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York (conveying unprotected in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 or 2025) [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]
2023 first round draft pick to New York
At least four years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed this 1st round pick to New York (the second of two possible) by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]"
so according to this, Knicks may not get Mavs' #1 in 2021 if Atlanta doesn't get a #1 from Dallas until next year...
What determines when Atlanta gets Dallas's pick?
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from Real GM...
"2021 first round draft pick to New York
Two years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York (conveying unprotected in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 or 2025) [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]
2023 first round draft pick to New York
At least four years after Dallas conveys a 1st round pick to Atlanta, Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed this 1st round pick to New York (the second of two possible) by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]"
so according to this, Knicks may not get Mavs' #1 in 2021 if Atlanta doesn't get a #1 from Dallas until next year...
What determines when Atlanta gets Dallas's pick?
The link I posted said the Mavs waived their protection in this year's pick.
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@AlbertNahmad
This, by default, means that the Mavs will send the Hawks their 2019 first-round pick unconditionally, having removed their top five protections.
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This, by default, means that the Mavs will send the Hawks their 2019 first-round pick unconditionally, having removed their top five protections.
That looks like Nahmad using logic that takes the Woj/Begley wording as fact.
Other wording of the deal says that the Knicks get the first available Dallas 1st rounder after Hawks get it... Nahmad's logic wouldn't apply to that wording..
Knowing the Knicks lotter luck...we'll have worst record, pick 5th, and Mavs will be one of the teams that leapfrog us, adding insult to injury.
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The Knicks have heard from at least one team interested in trading for veteran Wes Matthews, league sources told ESPN. If the Knicks dont trade Matthews, hed be a candidate for a buyout. His contract expires after this season.
Anthony Davis is focused on the Lakers as his top preferred destination, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium. The Knicks are also as a preferred landing spot, and made push to New Orleans with offer around Kristaps Porzingis before the Dallas deal.
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The trick will be convincing players that they're not a shit show of an organization.
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So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
1) They had to strip the entire roster just to get melo here. That wouldn't be the case now.
2) If they don't, they still have their draft picks, they still have a top 3 pick this year, and they still have their young players BECAUSE they didn't strip the entire roster to trade for a star just like they did for Melo.
What do you mean they have a top 3 pick this year? As of right now the best you can say is we have a top 5 pick. If we move up in the standings that 5 will increase.
Fine, top 5 pick if you want to assume the worst case.
It doesn't change to scope of the argument. This isnt 2010, they're starting from a much higher place than that, when they overpaid to get Melo and had no ability to put a team around him. They have all their picks, are coming off a good draft with some solid looking young players that have a future, and they have the ability to tell their #1 target you can get anyone in the league to come with you.
-overpaid Courtney Lee(1 more year at $12 Mil)
-overpaid & zero defense chucker Tim Hardaway Jr.(1 more year at $18 Mil PLUS a player option for another year at $18 Mil!)
-injury prone KP who hasn't played in like a year coming off a torn ACL who also has a knucklehead of a brother-agent
If you're a Mavs fan, you're hoping against hope that KP not only comes back 100% healthy, but manages to stay healthy going forward at his height and turns into Dirk 2.0. It's a huge swing for the fences for Dallas as well. I just don't think it's very likely to pan out.
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So, two questions for Knicks fans:
(1) How did that Melo thing turn out besides that one 54-win season?
(2) What if Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and/or Kemba Walker decide they will not step into the MSG shit-hole?
1) They had to strip the entire roster just to get melo here. That wouldn't be the case now.
2) If they don't, they still have their draft picks, they still have a top 3 pick this year, and they still have their young players BECAUSE they didn't strip the entire roster to trade for a star just like they did for Melo.
What do you mean they have a top 3 pick this year? As of right now the best you can say is we have a top 5 pick. If we move up in the standings that 5 will increase.
Fine, top 5 pick if you want to assume the worst case.
It doesn't change to scope of the argument. This isnt 2010, they're starting from a much higher place than that, when they overpaid to get Melo and had no ability to put a team around him. They have all their picks, are coming off a good draft with some solid looking young players that have a future, and they have the ability to tell their #1 target you can get anyone in the league to come with you.
I agree with your post. I am just correcting the top 3 part. There is a 52% chance we get the 5th pick. That is more likely then getting the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick combined.
Yes, this is as much a gamble for the Mavs as it is for the Knicks - maybe more so. If the Knicks were the ones giving up first round picks and taking on bad salaries for a talented player with major health risks, we'd be extremely concerned about it. In fact the Knicks have done it before and gotten burned with McDyess. Amare, too - I know he was a FA signing, but we had to give up first rounders in prior trades to clear space to sign him.
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The Knicks have heard from at least one team interested in trading for veteran Wes Matthews, league sources told ESPN. If the Knicks dont trade Matthews, hed be a candidate for a buyout. His contract expires after this season.
Give me all of your 2nd round picks!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not sure I'd rush to buyout. They don't need the money or the roster spot.
So I can see why Knicks would say, no I protect this years pick so we guarantee get that pick in 2021. But how does that help the Knicks, only guarantees them a year, but helps Atl since it unlocks the top five protection. Dallas wouldnt want to unprotected it, unless it makes or breaks the Knicks trade. Again, why would it make or break the Knicks trade for the Knicks to guarantee the year?
So, connecting th dots, I dont expect it, but wouldnt be shocked if it comes out the KNICKS got the unprotected pick this year if its top 5, Atl gets it if its not top five. Knicks get the 2021 pick if Atl gets this years, Atl gets 2021 pick UNPRTECTED if Knicks get this years pick.
Not sure I'd rush to buyout. They don't need the money or the roster spot.
That is very tempting.
Not sure I'd rush to buyout. They don't need the money or the roster spot.
But he's a FA so if they felt that way they could bring him back next year. What's the advantage of keeping him?
But if we trade for AD first then can we sign 2 max guys? I don't think so.
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Not sure I'd rush to buyout. They don't need the money or the roster spot.
But he's a FA so if they felt that way they could bring him back next year. What's the advantage of keeping him?
My bad, thought he had another year to go.
Salaries don't have to match because the Knicks are under the cap. We would have enough cap space to trade him just for picks alone, if we wanted to and that's what NOP wanted.
Yeah I read a few people on reddit today who are considered some of the go to posters for the NBA cap over at /r/nba and they basically echoed this. They seem to think this is a comprehensive plan by the Knicks in trying to set themselves up for getting Durant, Kyrie, and AD and that it is entirely possible this can be accomplished. They don't think this was kneejerk at all and might be looked back upon as genius if everythign falls into place. We'll see I guess.
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Wont need to make salaries match but the picks in straight years Id definitely true. I am in the camp of thinking outside of Tatum, Bostons war chest is vastly overrated. The Memphis pick wont be their til likely 2021 and the clippers and Sac picks will be in the teens in a poor draft this year.
But if we trade for AD first then can we sign 2 max guys? I don't think so.
I believe since you are trading New Orleans back close to equivalent salary we still would have enough cap for 2 more maxes. Its a pretty thrilling scenario actually. if some of the rumors are true the Knicks wouldnt have done this unless they (perhaps through back channels) were pretty confident they are getting 2 of the 3 of KD, Kyrie, or Kawhi.
If they were to somehow pull of a couple big ticket FAs AND AD for a bunch of their extra picks and young guys in Frank, Knox etc....this team might be finally interesting again!