I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
I agree. I was just trying to show that the Knicks can put together the best package for AD by a wide margin.
The young players all have to be part of the deal to clear space for AD’s contract
So, it really comes down to how many first rounders Knicks include.
But make no mistake, KD, Kylie AD is the ultimate goal. They just need contingencies plans because they can’t control whether those guys want to come to NY.
But what I like is Perry is giving the team a chance to build s team that could win multiple championships. Yet, he has a good alternate plan unlike Donnie who put all his eggs in one basket
can trade their pick, Frank, Lance, Smith and Knox for Davis after the season, as long as they already signed their two max's before then. That's an infinitely better haul than anything the Lakers can offer, even if the pick falls to 3-5.
Kyrie
Dotson
Durant
AD
Mitch
Kornet
Trier
Allen (Who I think has a chance to be a player)
MLE
Then they'll be able to sign 4 vet min guys, whom there will be no shortage of, to fill out the roster. Wouldn't surprise me if DeAndre Jordan found some way to stick around and go ring chasing.
I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
I agree. I was just trying to show that the Knicks can put together the best package for AD by a wide margin.
The young players all have to be part of the deal to clear space for AD’s contract
So, it really comes down to how many first rounders Knicks include.
But make no mistake, KD, Kylie AD is the ultimate goal. They just need contingencies plans because they can’t control whether those guys want to come to NY.
But what I like is Perry is giving the team a chance to build s team that could win multiple championships. Yet, he has a good alternate plan unlike Donnie who put all his eggs in one basket
If we somehow pull this off all 3 ...and fill out the roster kind of like Miami did when they signed their big 3, we would actually have a legit championship contender next year. When is the last time we could say that???
I think the wild cards (not life or death to championship hopes but will make for a better team) will be holding on to Frank and/or if we can somehow hold on to our 2019 first pick. A team like w/ a big 3 will need defensive stoppers more than scorers. Also could we resign a guy like Jordan and go over the cap?
I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
I agree. I was just trying to show that the Knicks can put together the best package for AD by a wide margin.
The young players all have to be part of the deal to clear space for AD’s contract
So, it really comes down to how many first rounders Knicks include.
But make no mistake, KD, Kylie AD is the ultimate goal. They just need contingencies plans because they can’t control whether those guys want to come to NY.
But what I like is Perry is giving the team a chance to build s team that could win multiple championships. Yet, he has a good alternate plan unlike Donnie who put all his eggs in one basket
If we somehow pull this off all 3 ...and fill out the roster kind of like Miami did when they signed their big 3, we would actually have a legit championship contender next year. When is the last time we could say that???
I think the wild cards (not life or death to championship hopes but will make for a better team) will be holding on to Frank and/or if we can somehow hold on to our 2019 first pick. A team like w/ a big 3 will need defensive stoppers more than scorers. Also could we resign a guy like Jordan and go over the cap?
No, they would have to renounce Jordan, but they could ultimately bring him back on the midlevel exception of about 5MM if he would accept that.
I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
I agree. I was just trying to show that the Knicks can put together the best package for AD by a wide margin.
The young players all have to be part of the deal to clear space for AD’s contract
So, it really comes down to how many first rounders Knicks include.
But make no mistake, KD, Kylie AD is the ultimate goal. They just need contingencies plans because they can’t control whether those guys want to come to NY.
But what I like is Perry is giving the team a chance to build s team that could win multiple championships. Yet, he has a good alternate plan unlike Donnie who put all his eggs in one basket
If we somehow pull this off all 3 ...and fill out the roster kind of like Miami did when they signed their big 3, we would actually have a legit championship contender next year. When is the last time we could say that???
I think the wild cards (not life or death to championship hopes but will make for a better team) will be holding on to Frank and/or if we can somehow hold on to our 2019 first pick. A team like w/ a big 3 will need defensive stoppers more than scorers. Also could we resign a guy like Jordan and go over the cap?
No, they would have to renounce Jordan, but they could ultimately bring him back on the midlevel exception of about 5MM if he would accept that.
No bird rights anyways since he signed a one year deal as a FA. They would have his 'non-bird rights' which basically means you can go over the cap to sign him to a deal that's 120% of his current contract annually. The cap hold is huge though so there's no way they don't renounce him.
Kanter is whining cause he wants of the team. He knows he's not the future, and he wants to play. In sir he feels, not playing, will diminish his value.
those on the non-Greg side of this (i.e., thinking Knicks can nab two key UFAs), isn't there a concern, SHOULDn't there be concerns:
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
those on the non-Greg side of this (i.e., thinking Knicks can nab two key UFAs), isn't there a concern, SHOULDn't there be concerns:
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
Because there isn't a player in the league who you couldn't nitpick about giving a max contract to as a FA. Durant is as good a bet as any to be worth every penny. He's the best or second best player in the NBA.
those on the non-Greg side of this (i.e., thinking Knicks can nab two key UFAs), isn't there a concern, SHOULDn't there be concerns:
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
You don't go to NY to glide off into the sunset.
Also Durant more than most is concerned about the external perception of him.
those on the non-Greg side of this (i.e., thinking Knicks can nab two key UFAs), isn't there a concern, SHOULDn't there be concerns:
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
Because there isn't a player in the league who you couldn't nitpick about giving a max contract to as a FA. Durant is as good a bet as any to be worth every penny. He's the best or second best player in the NBA.
Agreed on the nitpick part. He is the top get in FA with AD via trade probably second. Kawhi would be right there with AD but AD is probably a better fit if you get KD and doesnt have the recurring muscle problems Kawhi does.
those on the non-Greg side of this (i.e., thinking Knicks can nab two key UFAs), isn't there a concern, SHOULDn't there be concerns:
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
Talk about overanalyzing. Have you not been a fan for the last 50 years or so where the last 20 or so were just beyond horrendous?
If I am not mistaken, KD will be leaving money on the table if he leaves GS. So, him just being about his last payday and having no desire doesn't really make sense. Injuries are a concern but are you going to go after a lesser talented player and give them the max? Makes no sense.
As much as this is about the 2 max guys, it isn't all about the 2 max guys. We have a young core of Robinson, Knox, Frank, Trier, DSJ, Docson, and 7 first round picks over the next 5 years. We are in good shape.
is a nearly once-in-a-franchise's-lifetime opportunity.
But they don't change KD's age, and hasn't part of this 20-year nightmare of a franchise been a result, in part, of paying guys late in their careers and seeing them not earning it on the court?
Maybe KD is not psychically configured in the way that should concern Perry--maybe he's a slam dunk this way--but to Jon's counter that he is concerned more than most with his image/external perception, is that a good fit here in the Big Apple? A bit of a conundrum: franchise Saviour or 'nitpicking' whether he's been worth it in the NY media.
is a nearly once-in-a-franchise's-lifetime opportunity.
But they don't change KD's age, and hasn't part of this 20-year nightmare of a franchise been a result, in part, of paying guys late in their careers and seeing them not earning it on the court?
Maybe KD is not psychically configured in the way that should concern Perry--maybe he's a slam dunk this way--but to Jon's counter that he is concerned more than most with his image/external perception, is that a good fit here in the Big Apple? A bit of a conundrum: franchise Saviour or 'nitpicking' whether he's been worth it in the NY media.
My original post is not a "j'accuse" but a query.
Your point is well taken. It isn't the cleanest pairing.
But he's a top 3 player still at the tail end of his prime. He doesn't really get hurt. And it's not like his game is built on crazy athleticism, so it should age pretty well.
As for the media stuff, agreed, it could blow up if shit starts to go bad. But I'd much rather take that chance than not move heaven and earth to get him in the first place.
of near historic proportion on BBI (got to think it rivals even the most contentious Eli threads) was fascinating to go through, from disbelief, denial, rage, outrage, etc. to a more even handed evaluation of the outcomes once it hit home that KP (once unassailable as the Knicks' Saviour) was done with NYKs.
Question is which came first, chicken or egg, Perry et al. shopping him or KP and his team concluding he would sign a QO at best and then look elsewhere? At this point it doesn't matter, but the answer to that question will fascinate many.
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
of near historic proportion on BBI (got to think it rivals even the most contentious Eli threads) was fascinating to go through, from disbelief, denial, rage, outrage, etc. to a more even handed evaluation of the outcomes once it hit home that KP (once unassailable as the Knicks' Saviour) was done with NYKs.
Question is which came first, chicken or egg, Perry et al. shopping him or KP and his team concluding he would sign a QO at best and then look elsewhere? At this point it doesn't matter, but the answer to that question will fascinate many.
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
I was initially outraged/upset but now feel better about things...as this trade has gone lol.
of near historic proportion on BBI (got to think it rivals even the most contentious Eli threads) was fascinating to go through, from disbelief, denial, rage, outrage, etc. to a more even handed evaluation of the outcomes once it hit home that KP (once unassailable as the Knicks' Saviour) was done with NYKs.
Question is which came first, chicken or egg, Perry et al. shopping him or KP and his team concluding he would sign a QO at best and then look elsewhere? At this point it doesn't matter, but the answer to that question will fascinate many.
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
I was initially outraged/upset but now feel better about things...as this trade has gone lol.
said the Pels did not think the Lakers first offer for AD was worth a response or a counteroffer lol.
Hilarious.
We can only hope the Pelicans/Davis (and his Dad) keep sticking it to LA and Boston.
This is setting up to be the most wild Knicks offseason ever.
Draft lottery
Potential AD sweepstakes
Potential number1 overall/top draft pick
Courtship of multiple max players
Gonna be fun.
I wonder if Perry talked to the Pelicans about AD and they wanted draft picks more than anything. Remember once the Pelicans trade AD, they are in a total rebuild so they have to acquire as many draft picks as possible. The Knicks can theoretically give the Pelicans 5 first round picks from 2019 to 2023 and 3 first round picks from 2019 to 2021. IMO the Knicks picks, especially this one (which could turn into Zion, RJ or Ja Morant) are more valuable to the Pelicans than 2 or 3 good but not great young Lakers players
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
It might be a dream franchise to you or I, but it doesn't mean it was for him.
He's close friends with Luka Doncic, and Dirk has been something of a mentor for KP since they met. I think he's fine.
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
It might be a dream franchise to you or I, but it doesn't mean it was for him.
He's close friends with Luka Doncic, and Dirk has been something of a mentor for KP since they met. I think he's fine.
I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
Agreed. You need some assets to build fill out the team and for depth.
I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
Agreed. You need some assets to build fill out the team and for depth.
If you get KD, AD, Kyrie...no other "assets" needed for 4 years. You can fill that roster with the right imperfect 2nd rounders and vet minimums and be a legit eastern conference contender.
"The city deserves better than that.... My suggestion for Knicks fans is to STAY WOKE!! Peace,"
The way he's behaved post-trade certainly makes me feel a lot better about the deal. He's a petulant child who continues to bad mouth the organization after he's dealt. Not to mention, his first public message post trade was a gif of him and Luka, not thanking the fans or acting in anyway with class.
"The city deserves better than that.... My suggestion for Knicks fans is to STAY WOKE!! Peace,"
The way he's behaved post-trade certainly makes me feel a lot better about the deal. He's a petulant child who continues to bad mouth the organization after he's dealt. Not to mention, his first public message post trade was a gif of him and Luka, not thanking the fans or acting in anyway with class.
KP is literally still just a kid, but I don’t mind having Dallas now wait for his maturity to come.
People need to stop referring to KP as a kid. He’s not. Â
KP is 23 years old. He’s an adult. An immature, douchey adult.
Some people don’t grow out of being a dick. Sometimes they are just a dick. KP is one of them and I hope his leg falls off.
It was clear that the Knicks were never going to be a top team with KP because I don’t think that KP was going to draw any star players on his own. This is a risky move but one that could really pay off. And if now, what are we really losing? More disappointment?
For all the pissing and moaning about this “shitty franchise” and having no shot at big FAs because they all think the Knicks are a joke...star players seem to talk pretty highly about playing in and against NY [Knicks]. And they all seem to want to get their “garden moment”. I think the image of the Knicks/MSG is fine among players. The NBA is different these days and we just need to be in the right situation for them to come. We were almost there in 2010 but not quite. Hopefully we get there this time.
"The city deserves better than that.... My suggestion for Knicks fans is to STAY WOKE!! Peace,"
The way he's behaved post-trade certainly makes me feel a lot better about the deal. He's a petulant child who continues to bad mouth the organization after he's dealt. Not to mention, his first public message post trade was a gif of him and Luka, not thanking the fans or acting in anyway with class.
Stay woke to what? the only 2 people that thought this team was doing anything other than tanking was him and kanter...
Look at lee he knew what this was and never complained once about sitting..
KP is delusional and now the dailynews and howard beck are ripping the knicks because they did kp wrong...
first off how did the knicksrip him? they said he wanted out so they traded him..
"The city deserves better than that.... My suggestion for Knicks fans is to STAY WOKE!! Peace,"
The way he's behaved post-trade certainly makes me feel a lot better about the deal. He's a petulant child who continues to bad mouth the organization after he's dealt. Not to mention, his first public message post trade was a gif of him and Luka, not thanking the fans or acting in anyway with class.
Stay woke to what? the only 2 people that thought this team was doing anything other than tanking was him and kanter...
Look at lee he knew what this was and never complained once about sitting..
KP is delusional and now the dailynews and howard beck are ripping the knicks because they did kp wrong...
first off how did the knicksrip him? they said he wanted out so they traded him..
I believe he is saying keep your eyes open that stuff is really going on behind the scenes. This was a step put in motion for these guys (KD etc.) to come here.
Seemed like a noce guy- seemed like issues with the franchise started quite some time ago- his brother seems like a pain in the ass
But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?
Seemed like a noce guy- seemed like issues with the franchise started quite some time ago- his brother seems like a pain in the ass
But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?
Agree 100% on your point about the franchise. Can’t fully trust anything they do or say.
Well, Fizdale flew to Latvia to kiss KP's ass for a week Â
and KP proceeded to throw Fiz under the bus with that Instagram post of him sprinting - that's when KP lost me. I'm not gonna act like a jilted ex now that KP is gone, but we all shared the same concerns about him regarding his durability and attitude. Once the initial shock wore off, I had no issue with this.
I find it very troubling that the Knicks blocked the Daily News Â
I liked the KP trade, but the Knicks organization gets no benefit of the doubt. Honestly, it’s amazing the arrogance of most Knick fans, this franchise has been a complete dumpster fire.
Amazingly, there are people on BBI more critical if the Giants than thru are the Knicks. Absolutely baffling.
RE: I find it very troubling that the Knicks blocked the Daily News Â
for media access. Good for the Post calling Dolan out on this. I can’t imagine anyone defending this. Awful look.
Completely agree. I dislike Bondy as much as anybody, but he only became an Isola-level troll AFTER the Knicks starting bannng him. He was irritating but harmless beforehand.
Bondy is a troll- trolled the nets until they started winning - then got barred from Knicks and 50 percent of what he says is to troll- the other half I agree with
Seemed like a noce guy- seemed like issues with the franchise started quite some time ago- his brother seems like a pain in the ass
But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?
Wait, KP continues to act like a child (seems like a nice guy) while the FO looks to be finally on the right track...but we are supposed to give KP the benefit of the doubt on his way out while he continues to throw shade at the team? Is that your take?
Please tell me where the Knicks have wronged KP at all over his time here? I mean, we obviously don’t know everything that happens behind the scenes but normally we’d hear something. Especially with how slimy and dirty the NY media is. What have the Knicks done to KP so bad that makes it okay to act like an entitled jerk who undermines the team? And then to demand a trade like he’s some superstar when he hasn’t even touched the court in a year?
Sorry, I’m not going kill the team when the FO seems to be doing the right things while the immature player barks on the way out.
I liked the KP trade, but the Knicks organization gets no benefit of the doubt. Honestly, it’s amazing the arrogance of most Knick fans, this franchise has been a complete dumpster fire.
Amazingly, there are people on BBI more critical if the Giants than thru are the Knicks. Absolutely baffling.
This does have a different feel to it then prior years for the Knicks (like the Miami stuff was going on behind the scenes well ahead of it coming together) but yes we need to reserve judgement until it actually happens.
RE: I find it very troubling that the Knicks blocked the Daily News Â
for media access. Good for the Post calling Dolan out on this. I can’t imagine anyone defending this. Awful look.
The Daily News is toilet paper, and when they actually employed writers they were shit stirring dirt bags. It doesn’t bother me at all that they were blocked media access.
But durant has not talked to the media since kp trade, probably doesnt want to answer questions about the knicks but one of their beats said it is very unusual for kd not to be around
But durant has not talked to the media since kp trade, probably doesnt want to answer questions about the knicks but one of their beats said it is very unusual for kd not to be around
All due respect... it's February. Unless he's a moron he knows he will have to deal with these questions. I'd guess this is 100% unrelated.
RE: If you do not want to be treated like a tabloid Â
stop writing like a tabloid, the giants players basically threatened pat leonard and he was kicked off the rangers beat because he made up stories...
It doesnt look good but i can see why the new york sports teams are sick of the daily news
Exactly. They act like the NYDN is Woodward and Bernstein doing the world some big public service. He’s a hack for a tabloid covering a basketball team.
Seemed like a noce guy- seemed like issues with the franchise started quite some time ago- his brother seems like a pain in the ass
But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?
There’s more to the story. It’s not really a “choose your side” deal. I loosely know a player who was on the Knicks a couple of years ago (friend of a friend type deal) who said that KP changed a lot from the guy he was when he came to the team. He would argue with and not listen to coaches and thought he knew better. He was also partying more and putting in less work in the game. This guy told me that the former had a lot to do with Melo’s influence as they were close and the latter with him hanging out with Shumpert and JR early on. I thought with those guys gone and the new regime he’d move past that and grow into his role as the leader of the team but that’s clearly not what happened.
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I don’t get that from the article and quotes. Are you suggesting he should be happy about everything?
Happy, no, but a bunch of other guys (Courtney Lee for example) weren't getting playing time and none of them whined about it all the time.
If you want to play more, play better. Do the things the coach wants you to do.
Does he think his incessant complaining is going to garner him a big contract with another team?
I agree. I was just trying to show that the Knicks can put together the best package for AD by a wide margin.
The young players all have to be part of the deal to clear space for AD’s contract
So, it really comes down to how many first rounders Knicks include.
But make no mistake, KD, Kylie AD is the ultimate goal. They just need contingencies plans because they can’t control whether those guys want to come to NY.
But what I like is Perry is giving the team a chance to build s team that could win multiple championships. Yet, he has a good alternate plan unlike Donnie who put all his eggs in one basket
Kyrie
Dotson
Durant
AD
Mitch
Kornet
Trier
Allen (Who I think has a chance to be a player)
MLE
Then they'll be able to sign 4 vet min guys, whom there will be no shortage of, to fill out the roster. Wouldn't surprise me if DeAndre Jordan found some way to stick around and go ring chasing.
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I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
I agree. I was just trying to show that the Knicks can put together the best package for AD by a wide margin.
The young players all have to be part of the deal to clear space for AD’s contract
So, it really comes down to how many first rounders Knicks include.
But make no mistake, KD, Kylie AD is the ultimate goal. They just need contingencies plans because they can’t control whether those guys want to come to NY.
But what I like is Perry is giving the team a chance to build s team that could win multiple championships. Yet, he has a good alternate plan unlike Donnie who put all his eggs in one basket
If we somehow pull this off all 3 ...and fill out the roster kind of like Miami did when they signed their big 3, we would actually have a legit championship contender next year. When is the last time we could say that???
I think the wild cards (not life or death to championship hopes but will make for a better team) will be holding on to Frank and/or if we can somehow hold on to our 2019 first pick. A team like w/ a big 3 will need defensive stoppers more than scorers. Also could we resign a guy like Jordan and go over the cap?
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I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
I agree. I was just trying to show that the Knicks can put together the best package for AD by a wide margin.
The young players all have to be part of the deal to clear space for AD’s contract
So, it really comes down to how many first rounders Knicks include.
But make no mistake, KD, Kylie AD is the ultimate goal. They just need contingencies plans because they can’t control whether those guys want to come to NY.
But what I like is Perry is giving the team a chance to build s team that could win multiple championships. Yet, he has a good alternate plan unlike Donnie who put all his eggs in one basket
If we somehow pull this off all 3 ...and fill out the roster kind of like Miami did when they signed their big 3, we would actually have a legit championship contender next year. When is the last time we could say that???
I think the wild cards (not life or death to championship hopes but will make for a better team) will be holding on to Frank and/or if we can somehow hold on to our 2019 first pick. A team like w/ a big 3 will need defensive stoppers more than scorers. Also could we resign a guy like Jordan and go over the cap?
No, they would have to renounce Jordan, but they could ultimately bring him back on the midlevel exception of about 5MM if he would accept that.
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I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
I agree. I was just trying to show that the Knicks can put together the best package for AD by a wide margin.
The young players all have to be part of the deal to clear space for AD’s contract
So, it really comes down to how many first rounders Knicks include.
But make no mistake, KD, Kylie AD is the ultimate goal. They just need contingencies plans because they can’t control whether those guys want to come to NY.
But what I like is Perry is giving the team a chance to build s team that could win multiple championships. Yet, he has a good alternate plan unlike Donnie who put all his eggs in one basket
If we somehow pull this off all 3 ...and fill out the roster kind of like Miami did when they signed their big 3, we would actually have a legit championship contender next year. When is the last time we could say that???
I think the wild cards (not life or death to championship hopes but will make for a better team) will be holding on to Frank and/or if we can somehow hold on to our 2019 first pick. A team like w/ a big 3 will need defensive stoppers more than scorers. Also could we resign a guy like Jordan and go over the cap?
No, they would have to renounce Jordan, but they could ultimately bring him back on the midlevel exception of about 5MM if he would accept that.
Ah so no 'bird rights' for him then?
Ah so no 'bird rights' for him then?
No bird rights anyways since he signed a one year deal as a FA. They would have his 'non-bird rights' which basically means you can go over the cap to sign him to a deal that's 120% of his current contract annually. The cap hold is huge though so there's no way they don't renounce him.
Kanter is whining cause he wants of the team. He knows he's not the future, and he wants to play. In sir he feels, not playing, will diminish his value.
So do you blame him?
Best player to wear it since Tyson Chandler
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
Because there isn't a player in the league who you couldn't nitpick about giving a max contract to as a FA. Durant is as good a bet as any to be worth every penny. He's the best or second best player in the NBA.
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
You don't go to NY to glide off into the sunset.
Also Durant more than most is concerned about the external perception of him.
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those on the non-Greg side of this (i.e., thinking Knicks can nab two key UFAs), isn't there a concern, SHOULDn't there be concerns:
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
Because there isn't a player in the league who you couldn't nitpick about giving a max contract to as a FA. Durant is as good a bet as any to be worth every penny. He's the best or second best player in the NBA.
Agreed on the nitpick part. He is the top get in FA with AD via trade probably second. Kawhi would be right there with AD but AD is probably a better fit if you get KD and doesnt have the recurring muscle problems Kawhi does.
KD has a lot of tread wear
With 3 NBA Championship rings w/ GS, is there desire left?
Is this a cash-out make me wealthy rest of life attitude?
How does he handle the cesspool of a presspool (as someone way above put it so well)?
How is he such a lock for value in a max contract where the players around him the next several years will be evolving?
Talk about overanalyzing. Have you not been a fan for the last 50 years or so where the last 20 or so were just beyond horrendous?
If I am not mistaken, KD will be leaving money on the table if he leaves GS. So, him just being about his last payday and having no desire doesn't really make sense. Injuries are a concern but are you going to go after a lesser talented player and give them the max? Makes no sense.
As much as this is about the 2 max guys, it isn't all about the 2 max guys. We have a young core of Robinson, Knox, Frank, Trier, DSJ, Docson, and 7 first round picks over the next 5 years. We are in good shape.
But they don't change KD's age, and hasn't part of this 20-year nightmare of a franchise been a result, in part, of paying guys late in their careers and seeing them not earning it on the court?
Maybe KD is not psychically configured in the way that should concern Perry--maybe he's a slam dunk this way--but to Jon's counter that he is concerned more than most with his image/external perception, is that a good fit here in the Big Apple? A bit of a conundrum: franchise Saviour or 'nitpicking' whether he's been worth it in the NY media.
My original post is not a "j'accuse" but a query.
But they don't change KD's age, and hasn't part of this 20-year nightmare of a franchise been a result, in part, of paying guys late in their careers and seeing them not earning it on the court?
Maybe KD is not psychically configured in the way that should concern Perry--maybe he's a slam dunk this way--but to Jon's counter that he is concerned more than most with his image/external perception, is that a good fit here in the Big Apple? A bit of a conundrum: franchise Saviour or 'nitpicking' whether he's been worth it in the NY media.
My original post is not a "j'accuse" but a query.
Your point is well taken. It isn't the cleanest pairing.
But he's a top 3 player still at the tail end of his prime. He doesn't really get hurt. And it's not like his game is built on crazy athleticism, so it should age pretty well.
As for the media stuff, agreed, it could blow up if shit starts to go bad. But I'd much rather take that chance than not move heaven and earth to get him in the first place.
Question is which came first, chicken or egg, Perry et al. shopping him or KP and his team concluding he would sign a QO at best and then look elsewhere? At this point it doesn't matter, but the answer to that question will fascinate many.
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
Question is which came first, chicken or egg, Perry et al. shopping him or KP and his team concluding he would sign a QO at best and then look elsewhere? At this point it doesn't matter, but the answer to that question will fascinate many.
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
I was initially outraged/upset but now feel better about things...as this trade has gone lol.
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of near historic proportion on BBI (got to think it rivals even the most contentious Eli threads) was fascinating to go through, from disbelief, denial, rage, outrage, etc. to a more even handed evaluation of the outcomes once it hit home that KP (once unassailable as the Knicks' Saviour) was done with NYKs.
Question is which came first, chicken or egg, Perry et al. shopping him or KP and his team concluding he would sign a QO at best and then look elsewhere? At this point it doesn't matter, but the answer to that question will fascinate many.
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
I was initially outraged/upset but now feel better about things...as this trade has gone lol.
Trade = thread. Whoops.
Hilarious.
We can only hope the Pelicans/Davis (and his Dad) keep sticking it to LA and Boston.
This is setting up to be the most wild Knicks offseason ever.
Draft lottery
Potential AD sweepstakes
Potential number1 overall/top draft pick
Courtship of multiple max players
Gonna be fun.
Hilarious.
We can only hope the Pelicans/Davis (and his Dad) keep sticking it to LA and Boston.
This is setting up to be the most wild Knicks offseason ever.
Draft lottery
Potential AD sweepstakes
Potential number1 overall/top draft pick
Courtship of multiple max players
Gonna be fun.
I wonder if Perry talked to the Pelicans about AD and they wanted draft picks more than anything. Remember once the Pelicans trade AD, they are in a total rebuild so they have to acquire as many draft picks as possible. The Knicks can theoretically give the Pelicans 5 first round picks from 2019 to 2023 and 3 first round picks from 2019 to 2021. IMO the Knicks picks, especially this one (which could turn into Zion, RJ or Ja Morant) are more valuable to the Pelicans than 2 or 3 good but not great young Lakers players
And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
It might be a dream franchise to you or I, but it doesn't mean it was for him.
He's close friends with Luka Doncic, and Dirk has been something of a mentor for KP since they met. I think he's fine.
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And many will continue to focus on how could KD swap a dream franchise for this one...and how does he cope/perform in that new environment, if it comes to pass? Does Perry indeed have a magic wand big enough to neuter Dolan and Mills?
It might be a dream franchise to you or I, but it doesn't mean it was for him.
He's close friends with Luka Doncic, and Dirk has been something of a mentor for KP since they met. I think he's fine.
He was talking about KD, not KP
Agreed. You need some assets to build fill out the team and for depth.
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I would like to get AD but I think that is a severe overpay. The Pelicans have leverage but you don’t need to give away every player on the team and four number 1’s.
Agreed. You need some assets to build fill out the team and for depth.
If you get KD, AD, Kyrie...no other "assets" needed for 4 years. You can fill that roster with the right imperfect 2nd rounders and vet minimums and be a legit eastern conference contender.
The way he's behaved post-trade certainly makes me feel a lot better about the deal. He's a petulant child who continues to bad mouth the organization after he's dealt. Not to mention, his first public message post trade was a gif of him and Luka, not thanking the fans or acting in anyway with class.
The way he's behaved post-trade certainly makes me feel a lot better about the deal. He's a petulant child who continues to bad mouth the organization after he's dealt. Not to mention, his first public message post trade was a gif of him and Luka, not thanking the fans or acting in anyway with class.
Some people don’t grow out of being a dick. Sometimes they are just a dick. KP is one of them and I hope his leg falls off.
It was clear that the Knicks were never going to be a top team with KP because I don’t think that KP was going to draw any star players on his own. This is a risky move but one that could really pay off. And if now, what are we really losing? More disappointment?
For all the pissing and moaning about this “shitty franchise” and having no shot at big FAs because they all think the Knicks are a joke...star players seem to talk pretty highly about playing in and against NY [Knicks]. And they all seem to want to get their “garden moment”. I think the image of the Knicks/MSG is fine among players. The NBA is different these days and we just need to be in the right situation for them to come. We were almost there in 2010 but not quite. Hopefully we get there this time.
The way he's behaved post-trade certainly makes me feel a lot better about the deal. He's a petulant child who continues to bad mouth the organization after he's dealt. Not to mention, his first public message post trade was a gif of him and Luka, not thanking the fans or acting in anyway with class.
Stay woke to what? the only 2 people that thought this team was doing anything other than tanking was him and kanter...
Look at lee he knew what this was and never complained once about sitting..
KP is delusional and now the dailynews and howard beck are ripping the knicks because they did kp wrong...
first off how did the knicksrip him? they said he wanted out so they traded him..
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"The city deserves better than that.... My suggestion for Knicks fans is to STAY WOKE!! Peace,"
The way he's behaved post-trade certainly makes me feel a lot better about the deal. He's a petulant child who continues to bad mouth the organization after he's dealt. Not to mention, his first public message post trade was a gif of him and Luka, not thanking the fans or acting in anyway with class.
Stay woke to what? the only 2 people that thought this team was doing anything other than tanking was him and kanter...
Look at lee he knew what this was and never complained once about sitting..
KP is delusional and now the dailynews and howard beck are ripping the knicks because they did kp wrong...
first off how did the knicksrip him? they said he wanted out so they traded him..
I believe he is saying keep your eyes open that stuff is really going on behind the scenes. This was a step put in motion for these guys (KD etc.) to come here.
funny mills and fizdale both said how they felt they had great talks with kp after the trade
But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?
But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?
Agree 100% on your point about the franchise. Can’t fully trust anything they do or say.
Amazingly, there are people on BBI more critical if the Giants than thru are the Knicks. Absolutely baffling.
Completely agree. I dislike Bondy as much as anybody, but he only became an Isola-level troll AFTER the Knicks starting bannng him. He was irritating but harmless beforehand.
Bondy is a troll- trolled the nets until they started winning - then got barred from Knicks and 50 percent of what he says is to troll- the other half I agree with
But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?
Wait, KP continues to act like a child (seems like a nice guy) while the FO looks to be finally on the right track...but we are supposed to give KP the benefit of the doubt on his way out while he continues to throw shade at the team? Is that your take?
Please tell me where the Knicks have wronged KP at all over his time here? I mean, we obviously don’t know everything that happens behind the scenes but normally we’d hear something. Especially with how slimy and dirty the NY media is. What have the Knicks done to KP so bad that makes it okay to act like an entitled jerk who undermines the team? And then to demand a trade like he’s some superstar when he hasn’t even touched the court in a year?
Sorry, I’m not going kill the team when the FO seems to be doing the right things while the immature player barks on the way out.
Amazingly, there are people on BBI more critical if the Giants than thru are the Knicks. Absolutely baffling.
This does have a different feel to it then prior years for the Knicks (like the Miami stuff was going on behind the scenes well ahead of it coming together) but yes we need to reserve judgement until it actually happens.
The Daily News is toilet paper, and when they actually employed writers they were shit stirring dirt bags. It doesn’t bother me at all that they were blocked media access.
It doesnt look good but i can see why the new york sports teams are sick of the daily news
All due respect... it's February. Unless he's a moron he knows he will have to deal with these questions. I'd guess this is 100% unrelated.
It doesnt look good but i can see why the new york sports teams are sick of the daily news
Exactly. They act like the NYDN is Woodward and Bernstein doing the world some big public service. He’s a hack for a tabloid covering a basketball team.
But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?
There’s more to the story. It’s not really a “choose your side” deal. I loosely know a player who was on the Knicks a couple of years ago (friend of a friend type deal) who said that KP changed a lot from the guy he was when he came to the team. He would argue with and not listen to coaches and thought he knew better. He was also partying more and putting in less work in the game. This guy told me that the former had a lot to do with Melo’s influence as they were close and the latter with him hanging out with Shumpert and JR early on. I thought with those guys gone and the new regime he’d move past that and grow into his role as the leader of the team but that’s clearly not what happened.