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NFT: Knicks traded Porzingis to the Mavs

Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 3:42 pm
WOAH. Shedding Lee and THJ. Getting DSJ. No word on the rest
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RE: RE: I have no view on kp the person  
Strahan91 : 2/3/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14285200 Strahan91 said:
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Seemed like a noce guy- seemed like issues with the franchise started quite some time ago- his brother seems like a pain in the ass

But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?



There’s more to the story. It’s not really a “choose your side” deal. I loosely know a player who was on the Knicks a couple of years ago (friend of a friend type deal) who said that KP changed a lot from the guy he was when he came to the team. He would argue with and not listen to coaches and thought he knew better. He was also partying more and putting in less work in the game. This guy told me that the former had a lot to do with Melo’s influence as they were close and the latter with him hanging out with Shumpert and JR early on. I thought with those guys gone and the new regime he’d move past that and grow into his role as the leader of the team but that’s clearly not what happened.

That was poorly worded. The guys on the team then we’re heavily influenced by Shumpert and Smith and it rubbed off on KP was my point
Nothing screams self awareness  
NoGainDayne : 2/3/2019 1:22 pm : link
quite like a childish foreign white guy telling people to stay woke.

Ok Kristaps, this is a great way to use the term in regards to a team you feuded with that wanted you to sit out more games to ensure you were healed and try to get you a better player to play with next year.
RE: RE: I have no view on kp the person  
NoGainDayne : 2/3/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14285200 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14285067 hitdog42 said:


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Seemed like a noce guy- seemed like issues with the franchise started quite some time ago- his brother seems like a pain in the ass

But are we really now going off on kp and defending the franchise? What have the Knicks done In recent memory that would give them the benefit of doubt with handlings of things?



There’s more to the story. It’s not really a “choose your side” deal. I loosely know a player who was on the Knicks a couple of years ago (friend of a friend type deal) who said that KP changed a lot from the guy he was when he came to the team. He would argue with and not listen to coaches and thought he knew better. He was also partying more and putting in less work in the game. This guy told me that the former had a lot to do with Melo’s influence as they were close and the latter with him hanging out with Shumpert and JR early on. I thought with those guys gone and the new regime he’d move past that and grow into his role as the leader of the team but that’s clearly not what happened.


This sucks to hear but it is not at all surprising. Another funny part of this is that Noah was sold as a great character guy for the team when we signed him and then apparently "partied too much." It's hard to undersell what a disaster the Knicks franchise is. I'll be thrilled if we can pull off signing KD and admit it is certainly possible but for the life of me I can't understand how anyone could have any faith in the front office. Perry seems good but Dolan is still the owner. And Mills is still the guy that paid Hardaway so much that we needed to package our best young player in like 20 years to get rid of him. It is definitely more likely that we find a way to screw up any plan than do something great.
RE: RE: probably just a coincidence  
nygiants16 : 2/3/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14285178 DanMetroMan said:
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But durant has not talked to the media since kp trade, probably doesnt want to answer questions about the knicks but one of their beats said it is very unusual for kd not to be around



All due respect... it's February. Unless he's a moron he knows he will have to deal with these questions. I'd guess this is 100% unrelated.


i would assume so, the beat writer just said it is very weird for kd not to be around and talk to media after game
RE: I find it very troubling that the Knicks blocked the Daily News  
djm : 2/3/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14285092 Sean said:
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for media access. Good for the Post calling Dolan out on this. I can’t imagine anyone defending this. Awful look.


Why do these media outlets deserve anything? The Daily news is garbage these days and that’s being kind.

There's a lot of unnecessary media coverage  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/3/2019 4:27 pm : link
I can't bring myself to care about the daily news being blocked out when there are 30 other outlets who cover the Knicks (better). This isn't suppression of journalism.
Ten Ton Hammer  
arniefez : 2/3/2019 4:49 pm : link
That's sad foolish and really dumb. But you're not alone there's about 37% of you.
RE: Ten Ton Hammer  
Really : 2/3/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14285363 arniefez said:
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That's sad foolish and really dumb. But you're not alone there's about 37% of you.


Whys that?

Does a newspaper have any responsibility to produce a quality product?

It's not like they're freezing out Bondy because  
Strahan91 : 2/3/2019 5:09 pm : link
of harsh coverage. All of the other beat guys are very critical of the Knicks. This has to do with Bondy's insistence on making things up to stir the pot clearly. Hell, he said the day of the trade that KP has been healthy enough to play but didn't trust the Knicks not to botch his comeback. Only a day later, the Mavs made it clear he's still recovering and Cuban said he's unlikely to play at all this year. This type of thing happens all the time...
My initial response to the news of the deal  
Matt M. : 2/3/2019 9:12 pm : link
was shock and disgust; I really like Porzingis. But, the more I think about it, the more I like the deal. First, they likely would have had to pay him a max deal coming off an injury. Second, he has yet to play a full season. Third, they get 2 1st round picks, and neither is lottery protected. Lastly, they now can push for 2 FAs.

One thing to think about though...at 31 next year, Durant will actually be 6 years older than Melo was when they dealt for him. If they actually land him and another, they have to push to win right away. And, I don't want Irving.
RE: My initial response to the news of the deal  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/3/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14285812 Matt M. said:
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was shock and disgust; I really like Porzingis. But, the more I think about it, the more I like the deal. First, they likely would have had to pay him a max deal coming off an injury. Second, he has yet to play a full season. Third, they get 2 1st round picks, and neither is lottery protected. Lastly, they now can push for 2 FAs.

One thing to think about though...at 31 next year, Durant will actually be 6 years older than Melo was when they dealt for him. If they actually land him and another, they have to push to win right away. And, I don't want Irving.

The 2023 pick is protected 1-10.
why would you not want  
MookGiants : 2/3/2019 9:45 pm : link
Irving? He's an insanely good offensive player and it's not volume scoring. He's at like 50-40-85, fg, 3pt, FT % this year I think.

Irving and Durant would be a match made in heaven. They would work perfectly well together
Really  
arniefez : 2/3/2019 9:50 pm : link
Of course they do and if they don't then don't buy it or read it. Allowing rich assholes to ban press they don't like has nothing to do with quality content. It has to do with freedom of the press.
RE: Really  
Really : 2/3/2019 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14285943 arniefez said:
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Of course they do and if they don't then don't buy it or read it. Allowing rich assholes to ban press they don't like has nothing to do with quality content. It has to do with freedom of the press.


Freedom of the press?? Lol, the idea of defending Dolan sickens me but that does not apply here.

A tabloid who calls itself a newspaper should be ignored not victimized.
RE: why would you not want  
Matt M. : 2/3/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14285925 MookGiants said:
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Irving? He's an insanely good offensive player and it's not volume scoring. He's at like 50-40-85, fg, 3pt, FT % this year I think.

Irving and Durant would be a match made in heaven. They would work perfectly well together
Yet to play a full season.
RE: why would you not want  
jestersdead : 2/3/2019 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14285925 MookGiants said:
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Irving? He's an insanely good offensive player and it's not volume scoring. He's at like 50-40-85, fg, 3pt, FT % this year I think.

Irving and Durant would be a match made in heaven. They would work perfectly well together


Why would they “work perfectly well together”? He could co exist with LeBron who does a better job of sharing the ball than Durant. Kyrie and Durant are both scorers who need the ball. The reason Durant and Steph work well together is b/c it was Stephs team before he arrived and he doesn’t have the on court attitude the Kyrie does
RE: Ten Ton Hammer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/3/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14285363 arniefez said:
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That's sad foolish and really dumb. But you're not alone there's about 37% of you.


What would be foolish is placing everything operating under the name 'journalism' on the same level.

Not all media should be held to the same standard. Barstool sports and the NY times arent the same animal, and some reporters are legitimate professionals and some are not. The wall st journal, times, Yahoo and ESPN can all still cover the knicks.

We can have a discussion about the fact that there is a legitimate effort to undercut real freedom of the press in the country, but this ain't it.
I've linked a Knicks Film School podcast  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2019 1:57 am : link
with Spencer Pearlman of The Stepien, an NBA draft website. Biggest news was about 15 minutes or so into the discussion - he said he had one source in Golden State and one in New York tell him that Durant is coming to the Knicks. Neither source works with the teams, but the Golden State source has provided accurate info in the past and the New York source is someone he trusts.

Regarding draft prospects, he said Zion is the only one who'd make his first tier in last year's draft (Jaren Jackson and Luka) - none of the other prospects would make second tier in last year's draft. He said Texas PF Jaxson Hayes may rise into the top five discussion by season's end. Maybe a KP replacement if we drop?

He closed with two thoughts on Perry. He's a big believer in developing relationships, and figures KP was jettisoned before his attitude became too much of a problem. He suspects they're dragging things out with Kanter through the trade deadline because the players know he's a clown, just like most fans do - no fear of him infecting anyone else. Also, Perry's super organized and will have Plans A-Z this offseason. Pearlman said Knicks fans shouldn't worry about paying top dollar to non-max guys, unless KD demands they get the best player they can as a running mate.
KnicksFilmSchool - ( New Window )
Kristaps Porzingis’ brother wanted a bigger role with Knicks  
steve in ky : 2/6/2019 10:11 am : link
I think a couple people mentioned they thought it was a lot about the brother.
Kristaps Porzingis’ brother wanted a bigger role with Knicks - ( New Window )
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