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NFT: Knicks traded Porzingis to the Mavs

Strahan91 : 1/31/2019 3:42 pm
WOAH. Shedding Lee and THJ. Getting DSJ. No word on the rest
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AcidTest : 1/31/2019 4:27 pm : link
someone said, KP has missed 140 games in three years, and has a history of lower body injuries. But this is still a big risk. Dolan is counting on two great players signing this summer on max contracts. But as many others have also said, that is a quite risky plan given how poor the Knicks have been for decades. Dolan is also counting on at least a top three pick.
RE: RE: Dan, so is he risking the 142.5 mil?  
robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14282624 DanMetroMan said:
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That was his claim. He's yet to do it right? He's rejected nothing other than verbally committing long term to the Knicks. Per Hahn he wanted out of NY.


Yeah, that is all I was saying yesterday. Odds are he will sign long term but it wasn't a guarantee. It'll be interesting to ses if ue follows through.
I'm still not sold on Durant coming here  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/31/2019 4:27 pm : link
He hates criticism from the media. He's going to come to this cesspool of a press pool?
RE: I'm still not sold on Durant coming here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14282632 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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He hates criticism from the media. He's going to come to this cesspool of a press pool?


Strong reason why I doubt it too.
It’s obvious he didn’t want to be here  
Dave on the UWS : 1/31/2019 4:30 pm : link
and it goes back a ways. News travels fast around the league. They were never going to get fair value for him. They did the best they could. It was not a salary dump, but they took advantage of the situation to clear two big salary issues. At least they have the opportunity to sign two stars AND they still have Knox and theoretically, their PG in Smith. Frankly, they’ve made far worse trades
I don't know why but I've had this feeling for a while that  
Ace718 : 1/31/2019 4:30 pm : link
Durant will come to NY. No rhyme or reason. Just a gut feeling.
Smith  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 4:32 pm : link
Smith is only ever a PG in theory.
This organization  
The 12th Man : 1/31/2019 4:34 pm : link
is finally going in the right direction. Clear out the dead weight. Get rid of the players that do not want to be here. Bring in people who want to be here, draft better and 2 years have this thing turned around.
KP  
TyreeHelmet : 1/31/2019 4:34 pm : link
Sounds like KP will do whatever it takes to get to UFA. Thank god Fizdale spent that week in Latvia....

Let’s dream big here. Knicks get a top 3 pick. Trade the pick, Knox, Smith and Frank for Anthony Davis. Can they knicks still squeeze two maxes are close to it and create their own big 3?
RE: This organization  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14282639 The 12th Man said:
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is finally going in the right direction. Clear out the dead weight. Get rid of the players that do not want to be here. Bring in people who want to be here, draft better and 2 years have this thing turned around.


Lol
...  
Jay on the Island : 1/31/2019 4:35 pm : link
Will the Knicks be able to flip Jordan for a pick or does he have no value due to his cap number?
RE: I don't know why but I've had this feeling for a while that  
bw in dc : 1/31/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14282635 Ace718 said:
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Durant will come to NY. No rhyme or reason. Just a gut feeling.


NYC or DC. Don’t count out his home ties to the District.
can we all look at the brightside  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 4:36 pm : link
we dont have to watch hardaway or burke anymore!!!
RE: This organization  
Matt in SGS : 1/31/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14282639 The 12th Man said:
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is finally going in the right direction. Clear out the dead weight. Get rid of the players that do not want to be here. Bring in people who want to be here, draft better and 2 years have this thing turned around.


This has seemed to be the plan for the past 15 years. The fish stinks from the head. While Little Jimmy is there, what makes you think anything will be different than the plan to go after LeBron?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14282643 Jay on the Island said:
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Will the Knicks be able to flip Jordan for a pick or does he have no value due to his cap number?


What's the market for Jordan? Nobody wants no-offense bugs.
Bigs*  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 4:37 pm : link
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robbieballs2003 : 1/31/2019 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14282648 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Will the Knicks be able to flip Jordan for a pick or does he have no value due to his cap number?



What's the market for Jordan? Nobody wants no-offense bugs.


Then package Kanter and Jordan to get a complete big.
RE: RE: I don't know why but I've had this feeling for a while that  
Enzo : 1/31/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14282644 bw in dc said:
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Durant will come to NY. No rhyme or reason. Just a gut feeling.



NYC or DC. Don’t count out his home ties to the District.

no cap space for Wizards to sign him.
RE: ...  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/31/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14282643 Jay on the Island said:
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Will the Knicks be able to flip Jordan for a pick or does he have no value due to his cap number?


The guy is averaging 11 and 13. Why wouldn't they be able to sell him for something at least? He's worth giving up some assets for even if it's a rental. Try and get a good role player for him.
I really like KP, dont want to lie here  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/31/2019 4:43 pm : link
but his height and injury history was worrisome.

I hope the Knicks have a handshake agreement somewhere and a plan but likely not.
If this results in us getting Kemba and Durant  
adamg : 1/31/2019 4:43 pm : link
was it a good move?
And wow  
adamg : 1/31/2019 4:44 pm : link
this is a fucking ballsy move. They're not fucking around.
RE: If this results in us getting Kemba and Durant  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14282659 adamg said:
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was it a good move?


That's not going to happen. If they sign Kemba, KD ain't coming, and if they sign KD first, they're going to do a helluva lot better with the other contract than Kemba Walker.
Hopeful for KD, Kyrie and Zion.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 4:45 pm : link
Expecting Tobias, Kemba and Reddish.
RE: I've never changed team allegiances.  
SJGiant : 1/31/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14282446 Beezer said:
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Don't even know what NBA team I'd have the stomach to root for. But holy fucking hell.


Two years ago, i gave up on my first NY franchise. This wasn't that hard. Since I live in South Jersey, I am a fan of the Sixers. I am still a fan of the three other sports for NY teams.
Did the Knicks get a pick for this?  
mattyblue : 1/31/2019 4:46 pm : link
Also will they still lose enough to finish as bad as needed? Pardon my ignorance
I’m a Lakers fan  
Rflairr : 1/31/2019 4:47 pm : link
But that’s a fantastic trade for the Knicks. Getting expiring contracts and Dennis Smith? That has to be attractive to someone like Durant. They now can sell him on young guys like Smith and Knox. And cap space to add another star
RE: Hopeful for KD, Kyrie and Zion.  
The_Boss : 1/31/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14282663 bceagle05 said:
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Expecting Tobias, Kemba and Reddish.


That’s typical Knicks right there. If KD refuses a meeting this summer in the Hamptons (again), you know where this is heading.
RE: RE: If this results in us getting Kemba and Durant  
adamg : 1/31/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14282661 Greg from LI said:
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was it a good move?



That's not going to happen. If they sign Kemba, KD ain't coming, and if they sign KD first, they're going to do a helluva lot better with the other contract than Kemba Walker.


Forget Kemba then. Kyrie. If they got Kyrie and Durant with that space. I think you have to appreciate this deal. So, how good this deal really is still contingent...
RE: If this results in us getting Kemba and Durant  
bigbluehoya : 1/31/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14282659 adamg said:
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was it a good move?


I wouldn't give Kemba a max.

Prefer all of Kyrie/Klay/Boogie. Hell, I think I'd even like a Mirotic/Vucevic more.

On a team with Durant + a top 3 pick, I think I'd even like Bledsoe more than Kemba. (No, I would not give Bledsoe a max deal...I'm just saying fit-wise)
RE: RE: RE: If this results in us getting Kemba and Durant  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14282668 adamg said:
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If they got Kyrie and Durant with that space. I think you have to appreciate this deal. So, how good this deal really is still contingent...


What have the Knicks ever done that gives you the slightest bit of confidence that they could pull that off?
so  
Shirk130 : 1/31/2019 4:50 pm : link
Phil was right
Porzingis  
Archer : 1/31/2019 4:50 pm : link
The only way this trade makes any sense is if the free agents that the Knicks sign next year are better than Porzingis

If they get Durant and Leonard, or Kyrie etc, then this is a great trade
It is hard to evaluate without knowing what the Knicks will do moving forward

If the Knicks have Durant, Leonard, Zion ( or another top pick) that is a great start
Perhaps they can get a third top player to join them like the Heat did
RE: RE: RE: RE: If this results in us getting Kemba and Durant  
adamg : 1/31/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14282671 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14282668 adamg said:


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If they got Kyrie and Durant with that space. I think you have to appreciate this deal. So, how good this deal really is still contingent...



What have the Knicks ever done that gives you the slightest bit of confidence that they could pull that off?


Faith and possibility are two different things bro. I get the pessimism, but it's too early to really judge. This summer is the real test of this FO cohort.
RE: FYI from ESPN:  
Del Shofner : 1/31/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14282628 manh george said:
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Quote: The Mavs are working to acquire a first-round pick to include in the deal, sources told ESPN's Tim MacMahon.


I wonder if the deal is conditional on this happening. If so, it changes the equation somewhat in my mind. Another #1 in this draft would be nice.
fwiw  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 4:53 pm : link
Michael kay said he got a text saying royal ivey has been talking to durant daily
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bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14282672 Shirk130 said:
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Phil was right

Partially - he wanted to trade KP for Josh Jackson. This monstrosity of a trade might actually benefit us more than Phil's proposal.
Can't I at least dream Greg?  
adamg : 1/31/2019 4:53 pm : link
And it's the end of the shimmy era... can we have a THJ appreciation thread?
RE: fwiw  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14282676 nygiants16 said:
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Michael kay said he got a text saying royal ivey has been talking to durant daily


Given that Kay is a fucking moron, it's not worth much
Have to agree with others  
GiantGrit : 1/31/2019 4:55 pm : link
...can't believe i am saying this, but to me this signals KD and someone else are coming to the Knicks.
It doesn't signal that at all  
Greg from LI : 1/31/2019 4:57 pm : link
It signals that the drooling idiots who run the Knicks think they're going to sign Durant and someone else, but if the Three Stooges sign Durant I'll eat my entire wardrobe.
Now call New Orleans  
Chris684 : 1/31/2019 4:58 pm : link
And offer 2019 1st, whatever 1st/s from Dallas, Knox, Frank and Robinson for AD.
RE: fwiw  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/31/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14282676 nygiants16 said:
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Michael kay said he got a text saying royal ivey has been talking to durant daily


Watch this shithole franchise lose a draft pick for tampering, not get him, and then see him go over the bridge to Brooklyn.
To those that like this, why not do it this summer?  
NoGainDayne : 1/31/2019 4:58 pm : link
We have KP under control for one more year. What is the rush to do this now? The Pelicans are doing that with AD. What exactly is the rush?

We could find any number of teams this summer to take on Hardaway and Lee with KP. Why not be sure we can get the players first? Ugh.
ESPN with another perfect example of why  
Jay on the Island : 1/31/2019 4:59 pm : link
It's gone to shit. Here is a video of of Tracy McGrady saying that the Knicks have to trade two of the players acquired, referring to Matthews and Jordan, in order to sign two max contracts this offseason. They have expiring deals why would the Knicks have to trade them to spend this offseason?
Link - ( New Window )
Of they don’t have verbals  
Carl in CT : 1/31/2019 4:59 pm : link
Or KP knee is shot. Then as a fan who has watched 30 full and 10 partials this year (yes my favorite team in all sports) really is going to have a hard time with this one. We will be the laughing stock not just of the league but all sports. Now start moving these expiring contracts to playoff teams. Better not just sit on their hands. This one hurts fellas.
This is Charlie brown kicking a football all over again  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/31/2019 4:59 pm : link
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RE: Now call New Orleans  
adamg : 1/31/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14282682 Chris684 said:
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And offer 2019 1st, whatever 1st/s from Dallas, Knox, Frank and Robinson for AD.


Probably need to wait for the summer for that. But that could be an additional move to two max signings...
RE: To those that like this, why not do it this summer?  
nygiants16 : 1/31/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14282684 NoGainDayne said:
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We have KP under control for one more year. What is the rush to do this now? The Pelicans are doing that with AD. What exactly is the rush?

We could find any number of teams this summer to take on Hardaway and Lee with KP. Why not be sure we can get the players first? Ugh.


you wouldnt be able to do it this summer
By July all our questions will be answered.  
bceagle05 : 1/31/2019 5:00 pm : link
We'll know if we just took a short cut to contention, or if we're screwed forever. I'm sure most of us are leaning toward the latter, but I'm willing to see how the draft and free agency unfolds.
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