as many. He flashed "unicorn" ability, but his injury history and his height gave me concerns that he would ever be able to be a heavy-minute, full-season type of player for the long-term.
I was okay trying to sell high on him.
But for a salary dump? Oof.
Dennis Smith, Jr., can jump out of the gym. He's exciting. I don't think he's a winning player. He isn't a good enough FT shooter or 3-point shooter, and he isn't a good enough facilitator for how reckless he is with the ball.
Couldnt have said it better. KP isnt a guy who can just take over a game by himself. His low post game is soft, he gets hurt a lot...if we get Zion and two maxes out of this, Im thrilled. There is no way ft hat a 7'3" player with a game predicated on movement and jump shots is going to last that long in this league.
We wanted this guy to have a Dirk career, but KP was never that.
We have KP under control for one more year. What is the rush to do this now? The Pelicans are doing that with AD. What exactly is the rush?
We could find any number of teams this summer to take on Hardaway and Lee with KP. Why not be sure we can get the players first? Ugh.
once they decided to trade him, they had to do it before the trade deadline next. Only way they could do it this summer is if he agreed to a sign-and-trade which is risky. Of course you can still kill them for the return and all the dumb moves that got them here.
If Mills and Perry can’t persuade an Alpha to “come to MSG with anyone you want to play with and turn this around” with 2 max contracts in hand, “then the Knicks will never really be any good again”.
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We have KP under control for one more year. What is the rush to do this now? The Pelicans are doing that with AD. What exactly is the rush?
We could find any number of teams this summer to take on Hardaway and Lee with KP. Why not be sure we can get the players first? Ugh.
I don't understand this either. Why do it so quickly? They could have waited and perhaps shopped around for a better offer.
KP is a RFA this summer. That makes it VERY hard to package him with other players to do a deal like this to shed Lee and THJ. There's a week until the deadline so maybe they could've waited until then but what other teams have expirings that match THJ and Lee and would take them on + have a young player the Knicks clearly covet in DSJ.
It signals that the drooling idiots who run the Knicks think they're going to sign Durant and someone else, but if the Three Stooges sign Durant I'll eat my entire wardrobe.
I have no view on whether the Knicks can/will sign Durant, but someone should sticky this so that if they do, Greg will have to eat his entire wardrobe.
May not be much of a meal, come to think of it ... :-)
Even if you look on the brightside of this awful trade- how can you trust the Knicks regime? And Porzingis can say he will play it out until UFA. Call his bluff on that and offer a full max. He's willing to bet 140 million on it? I highly highly doubt it and would bet alot of money he will be signing that contract this summer.
They did the same bullshit in 2010. Why not wait until you have the commitment and then do whatever it takes to create the space?
This may work out but I think its a stupid bet. And they just moved Porzingis to clear salary cap. Think about that....
Didn’t have the new draft format. 14% for a number 1 pick is not a good strategy now. They did it with higher odds. NBA didn’t like it and changed the selection process to stop tanking. Might not be the best strategy now.
If Mills and Perry can’t persuade an Alpha to “come to MSG with anyone you want to play with and turn this around” with 2 max contracts in hand, “then the Knicks will never really be any good again”.
This is not true at all.
If they keep building through the draft and develop young talent like Philly and Boston did they can be a contender again
Even if you look on the brightside of this awful trade- how can you trust the Knicks regime? And Porzingis can say he will play it out until UFA. Call his bluff on that and offer a full max. He's willing to bet 140 million on it? I highly highly doubt it and would bet alot of money he will be signing that contract this summer.
They did the same bullshit in 2010. Why not wait until you have the commitment and then do whatever it takes to create the space?
This may work out but I think its a stupid bet. And they just moved Porzingis to clear salary cap. Think about that....
agree with all this. You can't trust these morons - Mills especially.
They did something similar, on a MUCH smaller scale, with the Wily trade. He wasn't happy with playing time - and he was shipped out pretty soon after.
If you're THAT sure you're getting somebody this summer - you use other assets to clear the contracts. Not KP. It's just dumb process.
A lot of us were skeptical of this "new" regime....seems our concerns were valid.
Philly tanked for multiple years and stayed the course.
I just don't trust management to stay patient.
PHilly (Hinkie) not only had a clear plan, but the risk they took resulted in two superstar talents(Simmons and Embiid) that didn't even play in their rookie seasons (with Embiid missing most of first three seasons), which helped perpetuate the several years of high picks.
And offer 2019 1st, whatever 1st/s from Dallas, Knox, Frank and Robinson for AD.
I think this is where the Knicks are headed. Like I said dozens of times now, if you had to trade everything to get AD and cap space you would have to do it. The Knicks just traded one thing to get cap space. That’s one part of this thing.
until after free agency, they go out and sign durant and someone else this deal was brilliant
How about this: in the incredibly unlikely circumstance where that happens, I'll apologize and admit I was totally wrong? Because it's a helluva lot more likely that I will never have to do that because the Knicks are a farce run by clowns.
Porzingis is a major question mark going forward as he has missed 140 games in 3 seasons.
The hard part is that there is not any tangible asset coming back to the Knicks to make this deal plausible.
The positives of this deal are that the Knicks got rid of Hardaway and Lee and will be in the game for the major free agents. It is up to Mills/Perry/Fizdale to sell the Knicks. Fizdale will especially be under the gun as his coaching leaves a lot to be desired.
We also got 2 future first round picks.
Comparing this deal to the Ewing deal is insane as we got back below average players with bloated contracts.
From top to bottom, this org is dysfunctional. Even the Browns got their shit together eventually.
Any franchise can turn things around. We’ve seen the cubs, browns and cavs turn things around. The giants were the worst team of the 70s then they turned it around. The Knicks were the model in that same decade. Then sucked. Then we’re very good for a decade.
From top to bottom, this org is dysfunctional. Even the Browns got their shit together eventually.
Any franchise can turn things around. We’ve seen the cubs, browns and cavs turn things around. The giants were the worst team of the 70s then they turned it around. The Knicks were the model in that same decade. Then sucked. Then we’re very good for a decade.
It’s all about acquiring talent.
yeah - and it starts with acquiring talent in the front office. And in that department, we have the worst team president in the sport.
I was okay trying to sell high on him.
But for a salary dump? Oof.
Dennis Smith, Jr., can jump out of the gym. He's exciting. I don't think he's a winning player. He isn't a good enough FT shooter or 3-point shooter, and he isn't a good enough facilitator for how reckless he is with the ball.
Couldnt have said it better. KP isnt a guy who can just take over a game by himself. His low post game is soft, he gets hurt a lot...if we get Zion and two maxes out of this, Im thrilled. There is no way ft hat a 7'3" player with a game predicated on movement and jump shots is going to last that long in this league.
We wanted this guy to have a Dirk career, but KP was never that.
These types of things don't usually happen,lots of shitty lottery teams have had cap space in the past.
We could find any number of teams this summer to take on Hardaway and Lee with KP. Why not be sure we can get the players first? Ugh.
I don't understand this either. Why do it so quickly? They could have waited and perhaps shopped around for a better offer.
We could find any number of teams this summer to take on Hardaway and Lee with KP. Why not be sure we can get the players first? Ugh.
once they decided to trade him, they had to do it before the trade deadline next. Only way they could do it this summer is if he agreed to a sign-and-trade which is risky. Of course you can still kill them for the return and all the dumb moves that got them here.
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We have KP under control for one more year. What is the rush to do this now? The Pelicans are doing that with AD. What exactly is the rush?
We could find any number of teams this summer to take on Hardaway and Lee with KP. Why not be sure we can get the players first? Ugh.
I don't understand this either. Why do it so quickly? They could have waited and perhaps shopped around for a better offer.
KP is a RFA this summer. That makes it VERY hard to package him with other players to do a deal like this to shed Lee and THJ. There's a week until the deadline so maybe they could've waited until then but what other teams have expirings that match THJ and Lee and would take them on + have a young player the Knicks clearly covet in DSJ.
I have no view on whether the Knicks can/will sign Durant, but someone should sticky this so that if they do, Greg will have to eat his entire wardrobe.
May not be much of a meal, come to think of it ... :-)
Philly tanked for multiple years and stayed the course.
I just don't trust management to stay patient.
They did the same bullshit in 2010. Why not wait until you have the commitment and then do whatever it takes to create the space?
This may work out but I think its a stupid bet. And they just moved Porzingis to clear salary cap. Think about that....
This is not true at all.
If they keep building through the draft and develop young talent like Philly and Boston did they can be a contender again
They did the same bullshit in 2010. Why not wait until you have the commitment and then do whatever it takes to create the space?
This may work out but I think its a stupid bet. And they just moved Porzingis to clear salary cap. Think about that....
agree with all this. You can't trust these morons - Mills especially.
They did something similar, on a MUCH smaller scale, with the Wily trade. He wasn't happy with playing time - and he was shipped out pretty soon after.
If you're THAT sure you're getting somebody this summer - you use other assets to clear the contracts. Not KP. It's just dumb process.
A lot of us were skeptical of this "new" regime....seems our concerns were valid.
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they have to tank again
Philly tanked for multiple years and stayed the course.
I just don't trust management to stay patient.
PHilly (Hinkie) not only had a clear plan, but the risk they took resulted in two superstar talents(Simmons and Embiid) that didn't even play in their rookie seasons (with Embiid missing most of first three seasons), which helped perpetuate the several years of high picks.
- Knicks max out Tobias Harris
- Knicks max out Goran Dragic
- Knicks resign Deandre Jordan
Championship here we come!!!
I think this is where the Knicks are headed. Like I said dozens of times now, if you had to trade everything to get AD and cap space you would have to do it. The Knicks just traded one thing to get cap space. That’s one part of this thing.
I found that interesting. KP was happy here for about half a season - been downhill ever since.
Seemed like it took them 20 minutes to put this trade together though.
yeah, Nate and Lee got one-year qualifying offers I think. Nobody else even got that far.
At what point does Adam Silver, knowing the nba needs a viable team in NYC, step in and say why they can’t get their shit together?
The Donald Sterling Era Clippers come to mind.
At least he had people you've heard of. Russo was interviewing Elvin Bethea while I was in the car.
Where will the 2063 Mavericks be selecting?
How about this: in the incredibly unlikely circumstance where that happens, I'll apologize and admit I was totally wrong? Because it's a helluva lot more likely that I will never have to do that because the Knicks are a farce run by clowns.
They must know his knee is shot or that someone is coming.
I've never changed my rooting interest for any team, but I will if we end up with a bunch of crap this summer after all is said and done.
they could sign 1996 Shaq and 2010 LeBron - and it would never be a brilliant deal.
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From top to bottom, this org is dysfunctional. Even the Browns got their shit together eventually.
At what point does Adam Silver, knowing the nba needs a viable team in NYC, step in and say why they can’t get their shit together?
Silver answers to the owners - and the other owners have no reason to be unhappy with the current situation at MSG.
The hard part is that there is not any tangible asset coming back to the Knicks to make this deal plausible.
The positives of this deal are that the Knicks got rid of Hardaway and Lee and will be in the game for the major free agents. It is up to Mills/Perry/Fizdale to sell the Knicks. Fizdale will especially be under the gun as his coaching leaves a lot to be desired.
We also got 2 future first round picks.
Comparing this deal to the Ewing deal is insane as we got back below average players with bloated contracts.
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Any franchise can turn things around. We’ve seen the cubs, browns and cavs turn things around. The giants were the worst team of the 70s then they turned it around. The Knicks were the model in that same decade. Then sucked. Then we’re very good for a decade.
It’s all about acquiring talent.
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From top to bottom, this org is dysfunctional. Even the Browns got their shit together eventually.
Any franchise can turn things around. We’ve seen the cubs, browns and cavs turn things around. The giants were the worst team of the 70s then they turned it around. The Knicks were the model in that same decade. Then sucked. Then we’re very good for a decade.
It’s all about acquiring talent.
yeah - and it starts with acquiring talent in the front office. And in that department, we have the worst team president in the sport.
Screamin' A should never be quoted or referenced about anything. The guy is a self-aggrandizing embarrassment.
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To fuck them out of Zion and Morant. Why? Because it’s the Knicks. They’d fuck up a wet dream.
No it's the Knicks, they will finish with the worst record but lose the lottery and pick 4th in a 3 player draft.
The last time they picked 4th in a 3 player draft, they took the guy that everyone is now pissed that they traded.
2) Dennis Smith Jr. is BARELY an upgrade over Mudiay
3) This could've all been avoided if STEVE MILLS DIDN'T FUCKING SIGN TIM HARDAWAY JR.
HOW THE HELL DOES MILLS STILL HAVE A JOB!?!?