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thought I'd point us toward tonight.

Jeff Van Gundy said this morning that knowing the people involved (Knicks FO people, he means), and knowing that "no one follows the rules" (as in, everyone talks along back channels about what players/agents are doing/thinking), he thinks there is NO WAY the Knicks made this trade to send Porzingas away without some serious knowledge that they will be getting big names (ie, Durant/Irving).

Was good to hear. No idea if what Van Gundy says is valid. But it felt nice. lol

despite the mass hysteria on the other thread.

Consider me sold!

I mean Mudiay and Frank are injured, no? Who else do they have at PG? Trier? Allen?


Yeesh.

are starting to think Kyrie walks this summer.

and what it means for the Knicks. Echos my feelings as well.
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I don't think he's this franchise savior people seem to think he is.

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Knicks upcoming draft picks:

2019: Top-4 overall pick + 2nd rd via ORL, CLE or HOU
2020: NYK 1st + CHA 2nd
2021: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (unprotected) + CHA 2nd
2022: NYK 1st + NYK 2nd
2023: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (protected 1-10) + NYK 2nd

But it is certainly an educated guess given his NBA experience.

In comment 14283352 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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are starting to think Kyrie walks this summer.

So much stuff from so many angles ... but one thing I heard - I believe it was last night - is that the stuff Kyrie is saying to the Celtics and in the media is NOT the same as what Kyrie is saying to friends and those in his "circle." Meaning, he's looking for options, and it's not quite the slam-dunk he stays in Boston as many might think.

... couple night ago while doing highlights on MSG, Billy Pidto made the comment while doing the Celtics highlights that with Kyrie out of the lineup (that night), the ball moves MUCH better for Boston.

In comment 14283357 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I don't think he's this franchise savior people seem to think he is.

Kyrie has to be a Robin - he cant be Batman.

As KD's wingman it would work. Just like it did with LeBron.

In comment 14283356 Strahan91 said:

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and what it means for the Knicks. Echos my feelings as well. Link - ( New Window )

The article is right about one thing - your opinion of the deal hinges entirely on your opinion of the Knicks front office and their ability to actually land superstar free agents. If you think they can actually do that, it's a great deal. Since I don't think they could lure a mouse with a block of cheese, I think it's yet another Knick folly.

Time will tell.

In comment 14283359 Anakim said:

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Jonathan Wasserman ‏ Verified account @NBADraftWass Knicks upcoming draft picks: 2019: Top-4 overall pick + 2nd rd via ORL, CLE or HOU 2020: NYK 1st + CHA 2nd 2021: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (unprotected) + CHA 2nd 2022: NYK 1st + NYK 2nd 2023: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (protected 1-10) + NYK 2nd

I'll post this here too. We do not have a top 4 pick right now. That is impossible. We have a top 5 pick. If we move up in the standinds so does that number 5.

This trade as a standalone really is tough to judge.

This particular iterations, specifically, of the Knicks decision-makers ... have they made a misstep yet? Hardaway, but they've fixed that.

I guess as fan, I have a need to stay optimistic. Maybe, MAYBE enough has changed internally that this breaks the right way for a change.

I agree, Robin, not Batman

Now or later we need to put something together.

They can have 2019 1st, Dallas 2021 unprotected 1st, and any one of the following:

Dallas 2023 protected 1st, Knox, DSJ, Robinson.

My dream is Kemba, Durant and Davis.

We ready...
WE READY...
FOR Y'ALL!!

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Maybe, MAYBE enough has changed internally that this breaks the right way for a change.

Entice Davis with the promise of Kyrie being there and vice versa.

It s possibilitiy Irving leaves, but far from decided.

In comment 14283384 Chris684 said:

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Now or later we need to put something together. They can have 2019 1st, Dallas 2021 unprotected 1st, and any one of the following: Dallas 2023 protected 1st, Knox, DSJ, Robinson. My dream is Kemba, Durant and Davis.

My dream right now is probably KD, Leonard, and Morant. If AD is possible then great as long as it doesn't deprive the team of all other talent. They can have some young kids and picks but we still need a supporting cast. That would be amazing.

Could also be the last act of a few desperate men.

Get the feeling the Knicks are being run by the wind,and whichever direction it blows.

If he walks too far will he fall off the flat earth?

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Newest Knicks Dennis Smith Jr., DeAndre Jordan, and Wes Matthews won't be active or playing in New York against the Celtics tonight. Not sure how the Knicks lineup will look without them but I'd say it's fair to put them as underdogs against the Celtics.



Anyone in the stands want to suit up?

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Kyrie Irving asked if his mindset has changed regarding re-signing with Boston: �Ask me July 1.� He says he�s going to do what�s best for his career.

In comment 14283393 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14283380 Beezer said: Quote: Maybe, MAYBE enough has changed internally that this breaks the right way for a change.

I hope your BBI negativity is mostly a schtick. Can't imagine being such a crotchety old man at such a young age. Hell, I qualify as crotchety old man, and I try to stay optimistic, yet realistic. Hell of a lot more fun.

Krie said, when asked about re-signing with Boston:

"I don't owe anyone shit. Ask me July 1."

(Bleacher Report)

there are more and more positive articles today, praising the Knick trade. Not only do they open up two max spots meaning a max guy can bring another max guy with him, but with seven first round picks over the next five years, this year's first likely to be a top 5, young, inexpensive young, potentially good players like Knox, Trier, Robinson, Smith Jr, Frank, they have a lot of trade capital.

Can they also trade for a max guy?

Things will be very very interesting on July 1st.
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no Tim Hardaway Jr.!

Has there been a Knick more hated on BBI in recent years?

We may see some Westchester guys tonight.

If they fail to do so, they have only themselves to blame. A ton of cap space in a year with several legit superstars with rings, surplus of draft picks, young players to be developed or used as trade chips - it's a blank canvas right now.

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no Tim Hardaway Jr.! Has there been a Knick more hated on BBI in recent years? We may see some Westchester guys tonight.

Lance Thomas

In comment 14283413 Anakim said:

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Mike Vorkunov �Verified account @MikeVorkunov Newest Knicks Dennis Smith Jr., DeAndre Jordan, and Wes Matthews won't be active or playing in New York against the Celtics tonight. Not sure how the Knicks lineup will look without them but I'd say it's fair to put them as underdogs against the Celtics. Anyone in the stands want to suit up?

Just LOSE baby!

in fanduel tonight. Cheap, will probably play the whole game and put up some numbers. Good value there!

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In comment 14283469 dep026 said:

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in fanduel tonight. Cheap, will probably play the whole game and put up some numbers. Good value there!

Wise. I mean we don't have a pure PG in tonight. Allen's not a pure PG, is he?


We've replaced the Michigan Men with the Arizona Men!

Tonight's going to be ugly.
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Newest Knicks Dennis Smith Jr., DeAndre Jordan, and Wes Matthews won't be active or playing in New York against the Celtics tonight. Not sure how the Knicks lineup will look without them but I'd say it's fair to put them as underdogs against the Celtics.



Anyone in the stands want to suit up?

with a DNP for Kanter tonight. Fuck that clown.

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with a DNP for Kanter tonight. Fuck that clown.

Is there any scenario where the Knicks can sign 2 max FAs and trade for Anthony Davis? They will be able to offer a very attractive package to New Orleans?

In comment 14283440 Beezer said:

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Krie said, when asked about re-signing with Boston: "I don't owe anyone shit. Ask me July 1."

LOL. Kyrie, not subtle.

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Kyrie needs to stop talking about leadership - he�s terrible at it. He�s incredibly fun to watch, but if they traded him within the next 6 days... I�d honestly be fine with it. Go to New York in July and play for the worst NBA owner of the 21st century. Good luck


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Kyrie Irving said at the end of the day he�s going to do what�s best for his career. �Ask me July 1,� he said about whether his mindset has changed.

Trade for him?

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I doubt Jimmy Dolan scares him off. Nice to see panic setting in among Celtics fans though - they're beginning to realize that dynasty isn't coming together as easily as expected.

If somehow Kyrie bolts this summer, they miss on AD, & they're stuck with Tatum, Hayward, Horford, & Brown. They were dreaming big. BIG. That's probably a playoff team in the East, but it sure as hell ain't winning a title.

for the remainder of the season. No interest in Wes Matthews playing 30+ minutes per night.

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If somehow Kyrie bolts this summer, they miss on AD, & they're stuck with Tatum, Hayward, Horford, & Brown. They were dreaming big. BIG. That's probably a playoff team in the East, but it sure as hell ain't winning a title.

If Irving leaves we keep Rozier .... and still have multiple 1st picks ....

as part of a big duo/trio.

The Lakers current chips for Davis are trash. We can only hope New Orleans is serious about not serving him up on a platter to them. If it gets pushed to the summer, the Knicks have a great shot.

In comment 14283483 bceagle05 said:

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with a DNP for Kanter tonight. Fuck that clown.

Ditto.

In comment 14283371 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14283356 Strahan91 said: Quote: and what it means for the Knicks. Echos my feelings as well. Link - ( New Window ) The article is right about one thing - your opinion of the deal hinges entirely on your opinion of the Knicks front office and their ability to actually land superstar free agents. If you think they can actually do that, it's a great deal. Since I don't think they could lure a mouse with a block of cheese, I think it's yet another Knick folly. Time will tell.

And what would you prefer them do instead?

I think we all know the answer is that you'd prefer they do exactly what they did so that you can complain about it. You'd think they personally pissed in your cheerios. Or worse (for you, anyway), went to Virginia Tech.

The next five months are basically like the time between when you buy a Mega Millions ticket and when the numbers are drawn. You can dream about all the things you'd do with the winnings, at least until you find out that you lost, which was the most likely scenario all along. Or, you can just immediately start thinking about the probability of losing in the first place as soon as you buy the ticket. As a fan, the team is buying that ticket on your behalf whether you like it or not - what's the benefit of choosing the doom and gloom outcome months before it actually happens?

Just strap on a fresh pair of big boy jorts and hope for the best. It doesn't cost you anything extra.

Kemba over Kyrie? Someone please tell me I didnt read that

are so ridiculously overrated, its scary the amount of positive press they get.

How Lowry made the all-star team this year is scary. He at best is the Raptors 3rd best player, probably even 4th.

In comment 14283632 MookGiants said:

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Kemba over Kyrie? Someone please tell me I didnt read that

No one of any consequence

A Dukie

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In comment 14283359 Anakim said: Quote: Jonathan Wasserman ‏ Verified account @NBADraftWass Knicks upcoming draft picks: 2019: Top-4 overall pick + 2nd rd via ORL, CLE or HOU 2020: NYK 1st + CHA 2nd 2021: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (unprotected) + CHA 2nd 2022: NYK 1st + NYK 2nd 2023: NYK 1st + DAL 1st (protected 1-10) + NYK 2nd I'll post this here too. We do not have a top 4 pick right now. That is impossible. We have a top 5 pick. If we move up in the standinds so does that number 5.

This link will help
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It was a mild case of it.

if they lose Kyrie to FA and miss out on Davis. Ton of assets and young talent.

kyrie can be fun to watch, but 1) he isnt close to a leader so hearing him talk about that is a total joke 2) he doesnt make the players around him better 3) he gets hurt all the time.

really had a great, thoughtful take on the trade. They are definitely pro the deal. Listen I tend to side with Greg from LI in that the Knicks couldn't lure a hooker into the Garden with a million dollars in their hand. However I also agree with Mook and others in that they are swinging for the fences here and as long as they don't waste the room on mediocrity they are still in good shape for a re-build even if they strike out with KD/Kyrie/Kahwi etc...Again that also means you have to have faith in an organization that has proved for decades they are a train wreck combined with an air disaster, with a splash of Titanic. I'm willing to give Perry the benefit of the doubt here. Unlike Walsh who was a great old school GM but totally out of touch with the modern players and the way it is played now, Perry is definitely more in touch with them. One has to have true faith that he can pull this off with free agents. I'll believe it when I see it but why not hope. Evan and Joe's main point was that even if they strike out this summer they are still in position to re-build with a ton of picks going forward. The 2 of them are the furthest thing you can get from Garden shills.
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if they lose Kyrie to FA and miss out on Davis. Ton of assets and young talent.

Do they have a ton of assets? Need to extend Rozier this summer and Brown next. Hayward is making a ton of money and looks like a shell of himself. This concept is sooo overblown. The clippers and kings making runs this year really hurt them, imo

In comment 14283546 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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If somehow Kyrie bolts this summer, they miss on AD, & they're stuck with Tatum, Hayward, Horford, & Brown. They were dreaming big. BIG. That's probably a playoff team in the East, but it sure as hell ain't winning a title.

That roster is much more than a playoff team -- that group minus Hayward essentially went to a conference championship.

If Kyrie bolts and that draws Thompson or KD away from GS, that opens up the path to a championship for lots of teams, including the Celtics.

GS is still king -- and the Bucks, Raptors, Cs, and 6ers aren't a threat for a ring until something chips away there.

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And Trier. Yep. And maybe some lucky fan in attendance.

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Quote: Jesus Rodriguez ‏ @JSports_ent I can�t and won�t claim #Knicks are definitely getting a top free agent because they have missed in the past and I have nothing definitive at the moment. What I will say with certainty is several within the organization are very confident at the moment almost borderline cocky.

Has Jason Kidd's son been right about anything in the last 3 years?

He's been reporting it for three years. Didn't mention KP would be in the deal, too.

They wouldn't have gone this route if they weren't. That's not important - the question is, do they have a reason for being confident? That's what is far more shaky.

liked a post on Instagram by Slam Magazine about Kyrie shifting his commitment to Boston...
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Is none of these guys want to play in Boston. It�s a small, provincial, cold city full of racist white people. I don�t know if it�s a bottom-half NBA city but it�s not near the top. In no particular order you would definitely put New York, LA, Atlanta, Houston, Miami, San Francisco and Chicago above it. Probably Dallas, Philly and Orlando as well.

in terms of serenading Kyrie. I want to hear some "Come home Kyrie" and "We want Kyrie" chants, and more cheering when he touches the rock.

Bet he�ll get a huge pop from the crowd.

Playing home games at The Garden later this year.

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Bet he�ll get a huge pop from the crowd.

DSJ not playing tonight.

Tickets are cheap for the Knicks. Hell they are just cheap in general, Super Bowl Sunday I guess

He's a piece going forward.

*Dotson.

he does nothing but try and pad stats

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