I was listening to Golic this morning and he had Murray on his show.
Murray sounds like a great kid. He is a rare athlete that has the ability to succeed in both football and baseball.
He has until mid February to make a definitive decision between baseball and football. If he is to play baseball he will have to participate in spring training.
It sounded a lot like he will play football.
Murray considers himself a field general. He loves the cerebral portion of the game and believes that his college training has prepared him for the pros.
One other observation from the interview, Golic offered that Murray was larger than he thought. He was both taller and thicker.
I would draft Murray at 6 for the Giants. I would take a chance on greatness. His detractors will say that he cannot take the beating, but Wilson and Brees, have persevered. He has the greatest upside of the QBs, there is no weakness to his game and he is made for a Pat Shurmer offense.
Murray would improve the offensive line, as defenses would have to try and maintain the pocket.
Put him with Barkley, OBJ and Engram and they will be unstoppable.
The measurables may trump all that, but from what I see, Murray is almost like having an extra player on the field.
The risk of the QB getting hurt exists for all of them, but the downsize is what happens when it knocks out the #6 pick in the draft and one you build around? Look at Indy after Luck was out.
You are one hit away from Lauletta playing. The Redskins were fortunate that Cousins was on the roster. The RGIII pick was toast after one season (a playoff season), then they faced having a first round pick shelved and the void that causes to a roster. They are still looking for a QB.
What if Murray delivers us a playoff berth and then suffers the same fate?
Than that sucks for us. I just see it this way, would you rather that or spin your wheels (potentially) on a lesser talented QB that isn't good enough but happens to not get injured?
I know what my answer is. I don't want a Dalton. I'd rather an RG3 (without the trade up).
I see you’ve moved off of your “his best position is a third down back in the NFL”. I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree with it. Murray is going to be an unbelievable NFL QB. I disagree with those posters who think they just gave up and let OU score. OU did what they did all season: move up and down the field. And what was because of Murray. Did you guys even watch some of the throws he made in that game? 55 yard bombs on a dead sprint, right on the money. You think he hit that because Alabama had given up? Stop.
This kid is a 70% passer and was deadly in the last three quarters of that game. He might be the fastest player invited to the combine. That combination is something we’ve never seen before. I have no idea how a player like that is of limited upside. Because he’s a shade under 5’10”? No way. People will disagree with me - and that is fine - but Murray will be a star.
I'd want better than Dalton, but I'd almost rather have a 10-15 rated QB that can have consistency with weapons like OBJ and Barkley instead of a high ceiling guy who gets injured and derails a season or longer.
The risk of the QB getting hurt exists for all of them, but the downsize is what happens when it knocks out the #6 pick in the draft and one you build around? Look at Indy after Luck was out.
You are one hit away from Lauletta playing. The Redskins were fortunate that Cousins was on the roster. The RGIII pick was toast after one season (a playoff season), then they faced having a first round pick shelved and the void that causes to a roster. They are still looking for a QB.
What if Murray delivers us a playoff berth and then suffers the same fate?
Injury can befall anyone. The biggest QBs in the league got hurt this year. The smallest ones - Brees and Wilson - did not. Murray may be tiny, but it doesn’t necessarily result in a direct correlation to health.
If he's 5'9" and 185 as rumored, that's 30 pounds lighter than most of the QB's he's generally compared to.
This is a good point FMiC. I had mentioned it in a thread a few weeks ago, but there was a lot riding on Mayfield and his measurables leading up to the combine last year and when he clocked in at 6', the debate was no longer about his height, but how high he might go in the draft.
Now, with Murray, he is not going to magically put on 25 plus pounds of muscle, but the height is definitely going to play a big factor.
I could have sworn that Murray had "official" height and weight numbers out there after one of the baseball select showcases, but I can't find it anywhere on the internet. Maybe it just a rumor.
He was very eloquent in his interviews yesterday. As far as his size, the OU training department released his official height - which it measured before the football season - at 5’ 9 7/8”. I don’t know his weight. But unless they seriously messed up his height, I don’t think it’s in question.
But there's many reasons for that. A lot of it had to do with still building around Eli and was compounded by not moving him or cutting him or replacing him for over 3 years. The Giants could have mitigated the situation any number of ways and either failed or flat out didn't look into any of them.
Well run, well coached teams can't get past bad picks. Not saying its easy, but Flowers, Apple, etc aren't why we are where we are, its much bigger than them.
Yep, I heard it as well. Awful job there by him.
Not saying that should by itself affect his draft status. But man, he sounded like an idiot...
The combine will be here soon enough with the official height, but referencing what OU supposedly measured him at shouldn't be taken as fact. The also list him at 194 when he's regarded to be in the 185 range.
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Picking Flowers so high was a big miss, an indeed it set the franchise back. The risk of missing at 6 isn’t only relegated to quarterback
But there's many reasons for that. A lot of it had to do with still building around Eli and was compounded by not moving him or cutting him or replacing him for over 3 years. The Giants could have mitigated the situation any number of ways and either failed or flat out didn't look into any of them.
Well run, well coached teams can't get past bad picks. Not saying its easy, but Flowers, Apple, etc aren't why we are where we are, its much bigger than them.
Lack of drafting success has to be the #1 reason though.
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Brutal interview. Almost mumbled through the whole thing and didn’t answer man questions.
Yep, I heard it as well. Awful job there by him.
Not saying that should by itself affect his draft status. But man, he sounded like an idiot...
I dont think he sounded like an idiot, I think he sounded like a kid who has a huge decision to make and is probably sick of people trying to pry something out of him when he obviously really doesnt want to discuss it yet. He just had a similar interview on Rich Eisen.
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But I will be honest, it would be exciting and fun to watch
I see you’ve moved off of your “his best position is a third down back in the NFL”. I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree with it. Murray is going to be an unbelievable NFL QB. I disagree with those posters who think they just gave up and let OU score. OU did what they did all season: move up and down the field. And what was because of Murray. Did you guys even watch some of the throws he made in that game? 55 yard bombs on a dead sprint, right on the money. You think he hit that because Alabama had given up? Stop.
This kid is a 70% passer and was deadly in the last three quarters of that game. He might be the fastest player invited to the combine. That combination is something we’ve never seen before. I have no idea how a player like that is of limited upside. Because he’s a shade under 5’10”? No way. People will disagree with me - and that is fine - but Murray will be a star.
Not exactly. I don't think he is an NFL QB and that opinion will stay. He is a fun player to watch, but so was Eric Crouch.
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Brutal interview. Almost mumbled through the whole thing and didn’t answer man questions.
Yep, I heard it as well. Awful job there by him.
Not saying that should by itself affect his draft status. But man, he sounded like an idiot...
I dont think he sounded like an idiot, I think he sounded like a kid who has a huge decision to make and is probably sick of people trying to pry something out of him when he obviously really doesnt want to discuss it yet. He just had a similar interview on Rich Eisen.
You know what, that's too F'ing bad. Nobody is going to have you on the be a pitchman for Gatorade without asking you the only questions that matter. Nobody put a gun to his head to take Gatorade's money and agree to the Radio Row media tour.
Whoever is representing him on the football side needs to have him prepared for this. The Gatorade pitch comes at the beginning and end of the interview - in the middle there are actually going to be questions about your job.
the FACT is murray is a special talent and if he was 3 inches taller, he would be the #1 pick with ease. the kid is insanely explosive and makes throws on the run as if its easy to do. kid can play and i believe he will be a solid player in the NFL.
im gonna wait for the combine to get his official measurements but if he comes in at 5'9 195...im not gonna cry if they take him at 6....thats only 11 pounds lighter than brees and an inch shorter than mayfield.
i think BBI may be seriously overrating this small of a size difference. now if he comes in at 180 and below 5'8 thats a little more of a concern that i understand.
that being said, this kid can play and i think some team is going to be happy with him and how he plays at the next level
The combine will be here soon enough with the official height, but referencing what OU supposedly measured him at shouldn't be taken as fact. The also list him at 194 when he's regarded to be in the 185 range.
They tweeted out what his height was. That’s a dumb thing to do if you think your measurement is off.
In any event, I saw the Dan Patrick interview, and it was terrible. He was unprepared for the questions. I don’t know why he hasn’t made a firm decision on which sport to play at this point. It’s a terrible look for him. As much as I want the Giants to take him, it’s hard to get behind a selection like that when it appears he lacks conviction to play one sport over the other.
And Sy, I don’t see how you can realistically compare him to Crouch. Crouch was a terrible passer at Nebraska who was immediately asked to convert to WR and never played an NFL down. Murray should not be mentioned in the same breath as that guy. You are simply not properly evaluating Murray’s ability as a passer, and it is puzzling considering his numbers were historically good last year. And, no, I don’t think it was due to the fact that he was playing in the Big 12.
In the end, it may not matter, as it appears he may still elect to play baseball anyway.
the FACT is murray is a special talent and if he was 3 inches taller, he would be the #1 pick with ease. the kid is insanely explosive and makes throws on the run as if its easy to do. kid can play and i believe he will be a solid player in the NFL.
im gonna wait for the combine to get his official measurements but if he comes in at 5'9 195...im not gonna cry if they take him at 6....thats only 11 pounds lighter than brees and an inch shorter than mayfield.
i think BBI may be seriously overrating this small of a size difference. now if he comes in at 180 and below 5'8 thats a little more of a concern that i understand.
that being said, this kid can play and i think some team is going to be happy with him and how he plays at the next level
Starting a sentence with "the FACT" and a few words later hypothesizing about where he'd go if he were 3 inches taller doesn't work.
He's NOT 3 inches taller and he's not getting any taller between now and ever. Maybe he'll grow a quarter of an inch. But he's certainly not adding 3.
I don't understand this argument. If grandma had balls, she'd be grandpa. Murray is the size he is. He can add some weight and probably will, but he's not going to grow any more.
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didnt murray have the same/similar stats to mayfield? how come people werent oh but mayfield played in a conference with no defense?
the FACT is murray is a special talent and if he was 3 inches taller, he would be the #1 pick with ease. the kid is insanely explosive and makes throws on the run as if its easy to do. kid can play and i believe he will be a solid player in the NFL.
im gonna wait for the combine to get his official measurements but if he comes in at 5'9 195...im not gonna cry if they take him at 6....thats only 11 pounds lighter than brees and an inch shorter than mayfield.
i think BBI may be seriously overrating this small of a size difference. now if he comes in at 180 and below 5'8 thats a little more of a concern that i understand.
that being said, this kid can play and i think some team is going to be happy with him and how he plays at the next level
Starting a sentence with "the FACT" and a few words later hypothesizing about where he'd go if he were 3 inches taller doesn't work.
He's NOT 3 inches taller and he's not getting any taller between now and ever. Maybe he'll grow a quarter of an inch. But he's certainly not adding 3.
I don't understand this argument. If grandma had balls, she'd be grandpa. Murray is the size he is. He can add some weight and probably will, but he's not going to grow any more.
the fact ist hat he is a special talent....are you arguing that? the kid was the best player in college football. he is a PROFESSIONAL two sport athlete and first round pick in both. he was one of the fastest players in the nation and that will show at combine. again..the fact is his is a special talent, sure the 3 inches thing is what if but the facti pointed out was that he is special
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Brutal interview. Almost mumbled through the whole thing and didn’t answer man questions.
Yep, I heard it as well. Awful job there by him.
Not saying that should by itself affect his draft status. But man, he sounded like an idiot...
I dont think he sounded like an idiot, I think he sounded like a kid who has a huge decision to make and is probably sick of people trying to pry something out of him when he obviously really doesnt want to discuss it yet. He just had a similar interview on Rich Eisen.
You know what, that's too F'ing bad. Nobody is going to have you on the be a pitchman for Gatorade without asking you the only questions that matter. Nobody put a gun to his head to take Gatorade's money and agree to the Radio Row media tour.
Whoever is representing him on the football side needs to have him prepared for this. The Gatorade pitch comes at the beginning and end of the interview - in the middle there are actually going to be questions about your job.
Dan Patrick was at first manipulative trying for him to make news against his own interest. So that was awkward. But then Patrick just starting making fun of the fact that the situation was awkward and piled on.
The kid is going to take advice from his agent, he is not going to comment about baseball in case he wants to use it like Elway did or is truly undecided. If Dan Patrick thinks he is going to spill everything on his radio show, then he is just trying to manipulate him for his own benefit.
The height discussion was ridiculous.
Bad interview. Murray comes off fine.
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Brutal interview. Almost mumbled through the whole thing and didn’t answer man questions.
Yep, I heard it as well. Awful job there by him.
Not saying that should by itself affect his draft status. But man, he sounded like an idiot...
I dont think he sounded like an idiot, I think he sounded like a kid who has a huge decision to make and is probably sick of people trying to pry something out of him when he obviously really doesnt want to discuss it yet. He just had a similar interview on Rich Eisen.
You know what, that's too F'ing bad. Nobody is going to have you on the be a pitchman for Gatorade without asking you the only questions that matter. Nobody put a gun to his head to take Gatorade's money and agree to the Radio Row media tour.
Whoever is representing him on the football side needs to have him prepared for this. The Gatorade pitch comes at the beginning and end of the interview - in the middle there are actually going to be questions about your job.
Dan Patrick was at first manipulative trying for him to make news against his own interest. So that was awkward. But then Patrick just starting making fun of the fact that the situation was awkward and piled on.
The kid is going to take advice from his agent, he is not going to comment about baseball in case he wants to use it like Elway did or is truly undecided. If Dan Patrick thinks he is going to spill everything on his radio show, then he is just trying to manipulate him for his own benefit.
The height discussion was ridiculous.
Bad interview. Murray comes off fine.
just watched and i agree
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didnt murray have the same/similar stats to mayfield? how come people werent oh but mayfield played in a conference with no defense?
the FACT is murray is a special talent and if he was 3 inches taller, he would be the #1 pick with ease. the kid is insanely explosive and makes throws on the run as if its easy to do. kid can play and i believe he will be a solid player in the NFL.
im gonna wait for the combine to get his official measurements but if he comes in at 5'9 195...im not gonna cry if they take him at 6....thats only 11 pounds lighter than brees and an inch shorter than mayfield.
i think BBI may be seriously overrating this small of a size difference. now if he comes in at 180 and below 5'8 thats a little more of a concern that i understand.
that being said, this kid can play and i think some team is going to be happy with him and how he plays at the next level
Starting a sentence with "the FACT" and a few words later hypothesizing about where he'd go if he were 3 inches taller doesn't work.
He's NOT 3 inches taller and he's not getting any taller between now and ever. Maybe he'll grow a quarter of an inch. But he's certainly not adding 3.
I don't understand this argument. If grandma had balls, she'd be grandpa. Murray is the size he is. He can add some weight and probably will, but he's not going to grow any more.
the fact ist hat he is a special talent....are you arguing that? the kid was the best player in college football. he is a PROFESSIONAL two sport athlete and first round pick in both. he was one of the fastest players in the nation and that will show at combine. again..the fact is his is a special talent, sure the 3 inches thing is what if but the facti pointed out was that he is special
Actually, he's not a "PROFESSIONAL" two sport athlete yet. He hasn't taken a snap in the NFL or seen a pitch in the majors.
He's a college athlete who was drafted by the A's and will be drafted by a pro football team this year.
I want a great QB. Not a great athlete. Murray's size is a concern. Anyone who continues to downplay this or ignore it just isn't being fair or realistic.
I do think he's very good. I also do NOT think he'll last in the NFL.
And not that Sy's opinion is gospel, but I'm not exactly alone here... he doesn't even think Murray is an NFL QB at all.
Call me when he drops Scott Boras as his agent. That's when you'll know he is serious about football. Until then, he's just using football as leverage to negotiate a new deal with the A's (which is already ongoing). And until then, I'm not even toying with the idea of Murray being drafted by the Giants. I still think the odds are that he goes undrafted, but how he performs and/or interviews at the combine will shed more light on that possibility. That's if he shows up at the combine!
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Brutal interview. Almost mumbled through the whole thing and didn’t answer man questions.
Yep, I heard it as well. Awful job there by him.
Not saying that should by itself affect his draft status. But man, he sounded like an idiot...
I dont think he sounded like an idiot, I think he sounded like a kid who has a huge decision to make and is probably sick of people trying to pry something out of him when he obviously really doesnt want to discuss it yet. He just had a similar interview on Rich Eisen.
You know what, that's too F'ing bad. Nobody is going to have you on the be a pitchman for Gatorade without asking you the only questions that matter. Nobody put a gun to his head to take Gatorade's money and agree to the Radio Row media tour.
Whoever is representing him on the football side needs to have him prepared for this. The Gatorade pitch comes at the beginning and end of the interview - in the middle there are actually going to be questions about your job.
Dan Patrick was at first manipulative trying for him to make news against his own interest. So that was awkward. But then Patrick just starting making fun of the fact that the situation was awkward and piled on.
The kid is going to take advice from his agent, he is not going to comment about baseball in case he wants to use it like Elway did or is truly undecided. If Dan Patrick thinks he is going to spill everything on his radio show, then he is just trying to manipulate him for his own benefit.
The height discussion was ridiculous.
Bad interview. Murray comes off fine.
just watched and i agree
“Bad job by his agent.” You know, he doesn’t even have an NFL Agent. You can’t answer questions like that on a nationally syndicated radio show. Other than leverage against the A’s - and he does have a baseball agent who probably doesn’t care how he sounds here - how does it behoove him to delay his baseball/football decision any longer? All this is going to do is open up questions about his desire to play football and make him look like an entitled brat. It may also be taking time away from his Combine preparation, which he should be doing in earnest now, if he’s not already. If you’re playing football, say so, say thanks but no thanks to the A’s repay the signing bonus, and move on. That is it.
I really don't think he's any heavier than 190 right now. 185-190 is probably more likely.
Murray has to move to be effective in the NFL. No one is going to turn him into a pocket passer and have it work.
I just keep going back to the fact that the last 2 QB's standing again are pure pocket guys that teams basically have zero concern with as far as running. I think Goff fumbled like 12 times this year actually.. so McVay definitely doesn't want him running around outside the pocket with the ball.
Last year it was Brady and Foles.
Then it was Brady and Ryan.
Wilson and Kaepernick are literally the only two guys in this type of QB mold who have made it that far in decades.
I realize the league evolves and changes and that players like this were less common years ago - the rules are also slanted in a way where a player like Murray is more viable now than he otherwise may have been in the past.
But I still just think it's a risk and would rather hitch my wagon to Haskins. I am more confident in him being a QB we can rely on.
You posted this in another thread, or something similar to it. When people are looking for a dynamic, mobile QB people aren't asking for Michael Vick or RG3 that make plays up the field running. They are looking for QBs that can throw off balance, move out of the pocket, and make plays "off-script" by using their athleticism to put themselves in position to make throws.
Eli has non of those attributes. Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Big Ben, Mahomes and others all have those attributes. Even Brady has a little old man athleticism in him to move in the pocket and deliver.
Dan Patrick was at first manipulative trying for him to make news against his own interest. So that was awkward. But then Patrick just starting making fun of the fact that the situation was awkward and piled on.
The kid is going to take advice from his agent, he is not going to comment about baseball in case he wants to use it like Elway did or is truly undecided. If Dan Patrick thinks he is going to spill everything on his radio show, then he is just trying to manipulate him for his own benefit.
Dan Patrick's job is to get information from his guests and entertain his listeners. Nobody cares if Kyler Murray likes Gatorade. People care whether or not he's going to play football, and even if Patrick knows Murray isn't going to answer, there's no reason for him to continue to do a serious interview if his guest refuses to even speak.
Someone should have schooled Murray in how to handle the obvious questions, for his own benefit if not anyone else's.
FYI his offensive line in 2018 was 6'5, 6'4, 6'4, 6'5, 6'3 (I think). How much bigger do you think linemen get in the NFL?
Why would he do the Superbowl shows and not have a response to whether he is going to combine, etc. His agent really dropped the ball there.
At least it will be exciting. We haven't won anything in years. The only reason why Giants game were palatable this year was because of Barkley.
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Zero doubt in my mind Murray can play. I'd be excited about the prospect of him here. But I'd just be counting down the snaps until he wound up on the sideline.
I really don't think he's any heavier than 190 right now. 185-190 is probably more likely.
Murray has to move to be effective in the NFL. No one is going to turn him into a pocket passer and have it work.
I just keep going back to the fact that the last 2 QB's standing again are pure pocket guys that teams basically have zero concern with as far as running. I think Goff fumbled like 12 times this year actually.. so McVay definitely doesn't want him running around outside the pocket with the ball.
Last year it was Brady and Foles.
Then it was Brady and Ryan.
Wilson and Kaepernick are literally the only two guys in this type of QB mold who have made it that far in decades.
I realize the league evolves and changes and that players like this were less common years ago - the rules are also slanted in a way where a player like Murray is more viable now than he otherwise may have been in the past.
But I still just think it's a risk and would rather hitch my wagon to Haskins. I am more confident in him being a QB we can rely on.
You posted this in another thread, or something similar to it. When people are looking for a dynamic, mobile QB people aren't asking for Michael Vick or RG3 that make plays up the field running. They are looking for QBs that can throw off balance, move out of the pocket, and make plays "off-script" by using their athleticism to put themselves in position to make throws.
Eli has non of those attributes. Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Big Ben, Mahomes and others all have those attributes. Even Brady has a little old man athleticism in him to move in the pocket and deliver.
That isn't really my point. I've never compared Murray to RG3. Murray is a far better passer.
But for Murray to be the dynamic player he was in college, he HAS to use his legs and he has to get out in space more. You have to use spread concepts with him and get him on the move.
If you try to make Kyler Murray a standard dropback, pocket sitting QB, he's going to struggle to survey the field, will see tons of passes knocked down, and will really struggle to navigate traffic in the middle of the field. It won't work.
I think a team that tries to take Murray's legs away from him will be neutering him. If you're going to take a chance on him, you have to let him play the way he's been playing.
The risk of the QB getting hurt exists for all of them, but the downsize is what happens when it knocks out the #6 pick in the draft and one you build around? Look at Indy after Luck was out.
You are one hit away from Lauletta playing. The Redskins were fortunate that Cousins was on the roster. The RGIII pick was toast after one season (a playoff season), then they faced having a first round pick shelved and the void that causes to a roster. They are still looking for a QB.
What if Murray delivers us a playoff berth and then suffers the same fate?
What if. What if. What if. Can't be so risk adverse that we don't pick a QB and sit on OBJ and Barkley and instead find OLinemen for the "perfect Oline" then finally go pick a QB and OBJ and Barkley are on medicare.
He is a risky player but one I think can help this offense morph into something different and more dangerous rather than just "who plays Eli's spot next year?"
That's cool. We can be mediocre for another 2 years. Sounds like a great plan for stability.
I think a team that tries to take Murray's legs away from him will be neutering him. If you're going to take a chance on him, you have to let him play the way he's been playing.
I don't disagree with that, but that's a more reasonable position than your first post. What you're writing, to me anyway, conflates a running QB vs. a mobile QB.
Well a winning football team would be a huge departure from the norm, so I hope you're wrong.
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didnt murray have the same/similar stats to mayfield? how come people werent oh but mayfield played in a conference with no defense?
the FACT is murray is a special talent and if he was 3 inches taller, he would be the #1 pick with ease. the kid is insanely explosive and makes throws on the run as if its easy to do. kid can play and i believe he will be a solid player in the NFL.
im gonna wait for the combine to get his official measurements but if he comes in at 5'9 195...im not gonna cry if they take him at 6....thats only 11 pounds lighter than brees and an inch shorter than mayfield.
i think BBI may be seriously overrating this small of a size difference. now if he comes in at 180 and below 5'8 thats a little more of a concern that i understand.
that being said, this kid can play and i think some team is going to be happy with him and how he plays at the next level
Starting a sentence with "the FACT" and a few words later hypothesizing about where he'd go if he were 3 inches taller doesn't work.
He's NOT 3 inches taller and he's not getting any taller between now and ever. Maybe he'll grow a quarter of an inch. But he's certainly not adding 3.
I don't understand this argument. If grandma had balls, she'd be grandpa. Murray is the size he is. He can add some weight and probably will, but he's not going to grow any more.
the fact ist hat he is a special talent....are you arguing that? the kid was the best player in college football. he is a PROFESSIONAL two sport athlete and first round pick in both. he was one of the fastest players in the nation and that will show at combine. again..the fact is his is a special talent, sure the 3 inches thing is what if but the facti pointed out was that he is special
Actually, he's not a "PROFESSIONAL" two sport athlete yet. He hasn't taken a snap in the NFL or seen a pitch in the majors.
He's a college athlete who was drafted by the A's and will be drafted by a pro football team this year.
I want a great QB. Not a great athlete. Murray's size is a concern. Anyone who continues to downplay this or ignore it just isn't being fair or realistic.
I do think he's very good. I also do NOT think he'll last in the NFL.
And not that Sy's opinion is gospel, but I'm not exactly alone here... he doesn't even think Murray is an NFL QB at all.
he will be in a couple mnths. he is getting drafted to the nfl. its just semantics that he isnt "yet" a two sport professional athlete.
again, i think he will be special. the "fact" i mentioned was that he is a special player, this is actually fact. whether or not he lasts is anotehr story but youre acting like i made something up about him
Haskins is a good QB but not great and has limited upside
Haskins is not a fast twitch or sudden player
He has slow footwork and a long delivery with a hitch
He is a prototype drop back passer but he does not have an extremely strong arm
He can extend plays with his strength but he is not explosive
Haskins upside is limited
It is not that I dislike Haskins , he just is not Murray
Murray has an unlimited upside based upon his skill set
There is risk in Kyler but I would rather take a chance on greatness
Haskins is a good QB but not great and has limited upside
Haskins is not a fast twitch or sudden player
He has slow footwork and a long delivery with a hitch
He is a prototype drop back passer but he does not have an extremely strong arm
He can extend plays with his strength but he is not explosive
Haskins upside is limited
It is not that I dislike Haskins , he just is not Murray
Murray has an unlimited upside based upon his skill set
There is risk in Kyler but I would rather take a chance on greatness
The Giants can't afford to take ANY chances with the 6th pick. It needs to be a player they're convinced will be a can't miss pro. One who hopefully fills a position of great need taboot.
If they're convinced it's one of the QB's then so be it but it can't be a hope type pick. It has to be a player they're sold 100% on IMO.
People want an ER and I get it. But there's a real potential of us only being able to get the #3 or #4 ranked ER in the draft if we don't move up. Isn't that risky?
I'm fine going ER, but I'm not going to pretend that its any guarantee.
Trust your board and trust your evaluations, but in the end you need to pick a guy who can be a difference maker, not just a guy who won't become a bust.