Been thinking about this for a few days. Let's say we are up at 6 and every QB in the draft is available. Haskins, Lock, Murray, whoever, pick your poison. Gettleman passes and goes for someone like Devin White, a DL, or hell maybe even Jonah Williams if he's there. What's everyone opinion on the immediate reaction? Me - I probably have a pit in my stomach knowing that they are passing the buck again on QB, but ultimately probably didn't fall in love with any of the prospects, making the decision explainable for sure. I'd be thinking "we better pray that none of these QBs turn out to be the goods." I'd also be thinking, I hope we go 5-11 again because if we win 7-9 games, we'll have to trade the farm for a top QB next year, when a somewhat better class of QBs are available.
I will just be really disappointed if we pass again. I'm sick of losing and I'm kinda sick of Eli sucking every other game. I think the franchise needs a jolt, or at the very least, hope for the future that we have our guy. The thought of not knowing AGAIN for another year would just be brutal.
I'd also start to question the overall direction of the team. I'd start to think that maybe Gettleman and Shurmur think that teams can win championships or at the very least go pretty far without a franchise caliber QB (like the Vikings with Keenum). Do they truly believe that the QB is the most important position among all others and if you don't have a really good one, you can't compete year over year.
It's definitely going to be interesting. One thing I know for sure is that I'm still of the opinion that Haskins + Barkley is better than Darnold and no Barkley. I'm going to be somewhat shocked if we don't take a QB, and it'll just take the air out of the room on draft night for a lot of us I think..
OK, in that scenario...you're confident we can get a QB in 2020?
I'm fine not selecting a QB this year but that has to be because they didn't like who was available, not because they think next year will be the year.
I'm not concerned about winning too many games and being out of reach of the top QBs. This team has a ton of holes. Our defense is trash, and we have 2 starting OL. If DG fixes the OL, great. But our defense will still be terrible. If DG addresses the D solely with a patchwork OL, then the offense will struggle again.
It will be a tough sell personally if the Giants take Haskins #6 after Gettleman said everything about NOT forcing a QB pick last year.
On the counter, I’m also intrigued by Haskins, but based on what DG said last year he shouldn’t be the pick.
In my opinion, you can't just lock in on any position -- even QB -- especially with a pick as high as 6. What if these QBs are no better than Blaine Gabbart or Christian Ponder or Blake Bortles? You don't draft a QB with the #6 overall because "quaretrback."
I want the Giants to rank all prospects, cross off each name that is taken in the top 5, and then draft the highest name not crossed out on their list. If that ends up being a fantastic NFL pass rusher, would you really be disappointed?
If we got a great pass rusher at 6, that's awesome. I'd still be disappointed knowing that QB is 100x more important than a pass rusher, and we would have passed the buck on the QB decision again for another year.
I want an anchor OT or something nasty for the front 7.
I'm fine not selecting a QB this year but that has to be because they didn't like who was available, not because they think next year will be the year.
Maybe so, but often times, when one QB regresses, another ascends. I know that's neither here nor there, I just struggle with the idea that if the Giants didn't like the QB's in the first round last year, they really can't like them this year.
I'm sure that someone will be added thru FA, whether they are a big name or not will determine Eli's future and where we think they will go in the draft.
There's no point in a rookie QB learning from the bench? Is that a joke or are you serious? There's countless examples of this being great for the player.
Also, I am not in the camp that says Darnold, Allen, Rosen are better than this year's crop. I do think Mayfield is better than all and also think Jackson is worse than all.
But all it does is increase the pressure of taking a QB in 2020 immensely as well as the related risk of overpaying/overdrafting...
On the other hand, it is abundantly clear that the GIANTS need to find Eli's successor and do it soon. Still, getting his successor in place is NOT going to turn this team into a serious Super Bowl contender because there are just too many other weaknesses that need to be rectified.
All that said, I am not sold on any of the QBs in the draft this year. However, next year looks like it could develop into one of those really great years for QBs. So don't force a QB pick this year. The team has too many other major needs to take care of. If there's nobody at QB that deserves to be the #6 pick, plan ahead and get ready to get the QB next year.
So for this year, take the best player available at a position of need, which currently includes DE, OLB, FS, and ORT at the top of the list followed by CB, G, C, ILB, and even a BIG WR or a true two-way TE which they just don't have now.
If none of them seem like the right pick at #6, trade down getting a first round pick, or at least a second rounder plus something else significant in the 2020 draft as part of the deal. And the point was made earlier, and I agree with this too, that they can't trade down too far. Dropping back a few slots won't hurt a bit, but don't trade back into the 20s or lower unless it brings an absolute king's ramsom.
Like Mahomes? And Goff?
Also, I am not in the camp that says Darnold, Allen, Rosen are better than this year's crop. I do think Mayfield is better than all and also think Jackson is worse than all.
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Like Mahomes? And Goff?
There are no Mahomes or Goff's in this QB class. When are people going to stop dreaming and wake up. This is a bad year to draft a QB. And I wish we hadn't thrown away picks on Lauletta, Webb and especially Nassib.
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In comment 14283713 Go Terps said: Quote: No point in wasting a season of a rookie contract on the bench.
Like Mahomes? And Goff?
There are no Mahomes or Goff's in this QB class. When are people going to stop dreaming and wake up. This is a bad year to draft a QB. And I wish we hadn't thrown away picks on Lauletta, Webb and especially Nassib.
You completely missed my point. Not even in the same area code.
Well played, I agree 100%.
There are absolutely things in Haskins and Murray in terms of pedigree, leadership, stats, athleticism, etc. that clearly check out. The main knock on Haskins are his having one year starting experience and playing with talent around him, neither of which are deal closers, just things which warrant further evaluation. For Murray the issue is obviously his size. But when a guy has that sort of off the chart skills and intangibles, size concerns aside, one would have to be foolish to close the door outright without much more direct investigation. You guys aren't even going to allow for getting him into the combine to see what his actual height and weight are or see how the height translates up close and personal in a workout?
On the surface the profiles of QB prospects are very close year to year, the perceived differences build largely on reputation or people piggybacking on things they've heard others say. Until you roll up the sleeves in detailed inspection you are going more on hunch than anything else.
There's going to be risk when we take our QB. He might not be up to it. Accept that. I'd rather take the risk now but some people don't want to do it until there's literally no choice. I fear Mara and Gettleman will wait another year not because the prospects will be any better but because Eli is still around and it's the safest course.
However, I would wonder exactly what the Giant's plans are for getting Eli's replacement.
The alternative plan is continuing to build a team. We have a lot more holes than just quarterback. And selecting the wrong quarterback in round 1 is arguable much more damaging than punting until next year. Who gives a shit if we don't have the "QB of the future" for a year or two, especially if it's pinned on false hope? History shows us that many years don't have a good quarterback in spite of several being selected in the first round almost every year.
If that is the case, I am fine with it. I would rather they wait a year than force a pick because of need and sentence the Giants to years of QB hell; were the Giants would then become this generation's version of the 90's Barry Sanders Lions.
IF Eli is the starter, it is because he's the best option for this year. If a drafted QB sits on the bench, it's because he's not ready to supplant Eli. If they don't take a QB, it's because they deemed none of them worthy of taking. It's not some grand malfunction of the Giants brain trust being stuck on Eli no matter what.
It would seem that none of the QB's are close enough to BPA to take a QB, so I'd be a little more upset if they went QB. I'll be really upset if they come out of the first round with a meh player at #6, no matter what position. I don't mind a reach, but it has to be for more than a meh player (like Pugh) or worse a bust (like Flowers).
Maybe hold off in the first round, but take one in the 2nd or 3rd round for sure. There is quality. It's getting one for the best value in the best round.
So I could live with an OL or DL at #6.
Nearly every year there is a player in the draft that ends up being a quality QB. Hell, that's why I would draft a QB every year, regardless of how my QB situation looks. You just can't have enough good ones. Not only for your team, but also as trade assets.
Trotting Eli out there for another season is a waste of time and valuable cap space. It's tragic planning.
The common notion that these guys all suck and the 2020 class is full of sure things is arrogant oversimplification.
but make no mistake - we are in and will continue to be in QB hell for the foreseeable future and that sucks.
I would definitely be intrigued by using the 2nd-round pick on a QB, if one of the more highly-touted guys (who the Giants scouts really like, of course) ends up available.
(The Giants don't have a 3rd to use.)
That could be a near-best-case-scenario, assuming they strike gold with the #6 overall pick. Get a stud non-QB at 6 and a QB candidate with some real promise as Eli's successor at #34, instead of reaching for a QB at 6 just to have the QB and then take a lesser positional player in the 2nd round.
I'm just glad it won't be Reese making the pick. At #6, he'd take a mid-20s projection, just to look like the smartest guy in the room who saw something no one else did. For all the criticism of Gettleman around here, I do like his "don't get cute" approach to these picks.
He was on a talented team and his starting experience level (limited) 1.5 seasons....
I am wondering are people saying OBJ, EE, SS and SB are not talented? Yup the OL needs to improve but that is the case with Eli, another vet, a different rookie ... etc
2ndly the knock on him experience wise .... Most college QBs really only start 2 seasons on avg ... some get 2.5 in rare cases 3 very seldom do you see 4 yr starters at QB.
Not saying he should be the pick but to a degree the knocks on him are partially fabricated.
Based on some reports that DG favors the KC model with Mahomes with Eli showing the draftee the ropes, I would not be surprised to see them picked. Come draft time they would have to rank close to 6 though in their minds.
But I also don't think we will be picking in the top 10 next year, either.....so making a move for a a qb the following year will be much harder....
We have no idea, what Gettleman's Plan is....Mar 13 will give us a hint.....Mar 16th will give us another one.....
Will he go defense, or will he try to finally fix the OL?