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Dolphins are cutting Tannehill

Danny Kanell : 2/1/2019 8:46 pm
No link. Just coming across the wire. Itís about time. Dreadful quarterback.
Nick Foles step on down?  
The_Boss : 2/1/2019 8:47 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 2/1/2019 8:48 pm : link
Tannehill is the guy I think of immediately when I think of "QB hell"
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Danny Kanell : 2/1/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14284050 arcarsenal said:
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Tannehill is the guy I think of immediately when I think of "QB hell"


Agreed
Dreadful is extreme  
MetsAreBack : 2/1/2019 9:03 pm : link
but he's been injury prone and immature. You cant pay that kind of player more than $6-8 mil.

Tennessee - who I think is a team that should quietly be all over Eli - is in a similar boat. Mariota will NEVER get them where they should be with that line, running game and defense.
About time  
mattlawson : 2/1/2019 9:21 pm : link
Guy was a JOKE
After seeing what his wife looks like  
GiantGrit : 2/1/2019 9:30 pm : link
And how much he's made, he'll be ok.
RE: Nick Foles step on down?  
bluepepper : 2/1/2019 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14284048 The_Boss said:
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Nope. The plan is to tank


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He  
ChicagoMarty : 2/1/2019 9:40 pm : link
stinks!
may end up in  
battttles : 2/1/2019 9:53 pm : link
Cinci, has ties to Taylor

Sounds like Tampa will cut Gerald McCoy too.
For Those Who Want To Force A QB At 6th Overall In 2019  
Trainmaster : 2/1/2019 9:57 pm : link
2012 NFL Draft - 1st round picks 8 through 12

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1 8 Miami Dolphins Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
1 9 Carolina Panthers Luke Kuechly Ü LB Boston College
1 10 Buffalo Bills Stephon Gilmore Ü CB South Carolina
1 11 Kansas City Chiefs Dontari Poe Ü DT Memphis
1 12 Philadelphia Eagles Fletcher Cox Ü DT Mississippi State


Miami went QB. 20/20 hindsight Luke Kuechly went with the next pick and Fletcher Cox went 3 picks later.
2012 NFL Draft - Wikipedia - ( New Window )
One of many cautionary tales all over the league  
Go Terps : 2/1/2019 10:06 pm : link
"A" money doesn't make a guy an "A" player.
7 Yrs Of QB Mediocrity  
Trainmaster : 2/1/2019 10:58 pm : link
How much did that set Miami back?

Tannehill wasnít terrible. Just good enough to tease year after year.
The Patriots have really benefited from  
Mr. Bungle : 2/1/2019 11:22 pm : link
being in a division with three franchises that can't get out of their own way.

In the last 20 years, the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills have combined for, what, 75 quarterbacks and 35 head coaches?
He wasn't dreadful,  
Natek212 : 2/2/2019 12:17 am : link
Mediocre is the word. He was given more than enough time to be more than mediocre.
Kick the tires? Cut Eli, draft a qb to sit behind Tannehill for one  
SterlingArcher : 2/2/2019 1:02 am : link
year. bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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CromartiesKid21 : 2/2/2019 1:50 am : link
In comment 14284050 arcarsenal said:
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Tannehill is the guy I think of immediately when I think of "QB hell"


Yep this year it's Daniel Jones. Some poor coach will be out of a job in a couple of years and a franchise along with it's fan base will have to start over from scratch.
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JohnB : 2/2/2019 3:03 am : link
In comment 14284050 arcarsenal said:
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Tannehill is the guy I think of immediately when I think of "QB hell"


Alex Smith is QB hell not Tannehill.

A team can cut Tannehill (clearly) but Washington is on the hook for Smith for years to come. That's QB hell.
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giants#1 : 2/2/2019 6:49 am : link
In comment 14284050 arcarsenal said:
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Tannehill is the guy I think of immediately when I think of "QB hell"


Kirk Cousins for me.
Interesting QB Draft back in 2012  
Jimmy Googs : 2/2/2019 8:28 am : link
Rd 1 Pick 1 Andrew Luck
Rd 1 Pick 2 Robert Griffin
Rd 1 Pick 8 Ryan Tannehill
Rd 1 Pick 22 Brandon Weeden
Rd 2 Pick 57 Brock Osweiler
Rd 3 Pick 75 Russell Wilson
Rd 3 Pick 88 Nick Foles
Rd 4 Pick 102 Kirk Cousins

A few success stories and a few guys in here that hit the jackpot with a lot of money and delivering not much of anything...

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Dodge : 2/2/2019 8:34 am : link
In comment 14284162 JohnB said:
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Tannehill is the guy I think of immediately when I think of "QB hell"



Alex Smith is QB hell not Tannehill.

A team can cut Tannehill (clearly) but Washington is on the hook for Smith for years to come. That's QB hell.


Alex Smith has won playoff games, and gotten his team to the playoff. Not exactly QB hell. QB hell is consistently 4-8 wins a year and never getting better.
Example A  
Johnny5 : 2/2/2019 9:13 am : link
Of why you don't reach for a QB in the draft. And he's not awful, just mediocre. IMO.
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Jimmy Googs : 2/2/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14284224 Johnny5 said:
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Of why you don't reach for a QB in the draft. And he's not awful, just mediocre. IMO.


So do you think Miami thought they were reaching when they took him?

RE: RE: Nick Foles step on down?  
Diver_Down : 2/2/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14284080 bluepepper said:
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Nope. The plan is to tank
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I posted that last night in response to another regarding the statement that NFL teams don't tank. It didn't get any traction, but it will be interesting to watch the offseason in how they trim their roster and how the team dynamic functions during games. If all goes as planned, Ross will have his Tua.
Never was a big Tannehill  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/2/2019 10:09 am : link
dude. 'Fins are making the right move & cutting bait.
Interesting to me that heís cut..  
Sean : 2/2/2019 10:19 am : link
Prior to Flores even arriving.
Are the Dolphins our trade down partner?  
since1925 : 2/2/2019 10:36 am : link
The have #10 Do they want #6?
RE: Are the Dolphins our trade down partner?  
Diver_Down : 2/2/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14284296 since1925 said:
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The have #10 Do they want #6?


Read the linked article above. They are not going QB in the draft and they are not in the market for a QB in FA. They intend to "organically" tank. Apparently it was a point of discussion in HC interviews. Ross loves Tua. He will gut the rest of the roster to ensure they are not competitive.
RE: Are the Dolphins our trade down partner?  
jeff57 : 2/2/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14284296 since1925 said:
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The have #10 Do they want #6?


They have 13, not 10
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arcarsenal : 2/2/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14284162 JohnB said:
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Tannehill is the guy I think of immediately when I think of "QB hell"



Alex Smith is QB hell not Tannehill.

A team can cut Tannehill (clearly) but Washington is on the hook for Smith for years to come. That's QB hell.


Getting stuck in a bad spot because of a gruesome injury isn't QB hell. Washington couldn't do anything about that. If Smith hadn't been hurt, he'd be viable enough like he was in KC and SF. Smith has never been great, but the guy has won a LOT of football games - including playoff games.

Tannehill can't say that.

Cousins was a worse signing than Smith, honestly.

The reason why Ryan Tannehill is a "qb hell" type of guy is because you draft him, he plays well enough at times, but is clearly nothing special - but you get sucked into thinking he can get better. You keep winning 6, 7 and 8 games - you think maybe if you improve the team around him, you'll win with him.

You get too spooked by the prospect of cutting ties too soon only to watch him to succeed elsewhere, so you panic and keep him around - only for him to continue to be thoroughly average and keep your team spinning their wheels in the mud.

This is 7 years now that Miami has been dealing with the Tannehill experiment. That's 7 seasons where they kept trying to evaluate a very mediocre player who got them nowhere and wound up injured in the one year that they actually did make the playoffs and wasn't available at that point anyway.

The ACL injury also then compounded things.

7 years Miami wasted with this guy. That's a long time. That's QB hell.
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Johnny5 : 2/2/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14284230 Jimmy Googs said:
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Of why you don't reach for a QB in the draft. And he's not awful, just mediocre. IMO.



So do you think Miami thought they were reaching when they took him?

Obviously I can't say for sure how they felt or where they ranked him on their board, but I feel they did. They were running Matt Moore and Chad Henne out the year before and Tannehill was the 3rd ranked QB on the board after Luck and RG3.

I'm all about BPA and think hand wringing about a QB spot forces teams to overdraft. It's always a gamble. If he TRULY was the highest ranked player on their board then can't fault the pick. But based on who they had at QB on the roster and who was left on the board, I would guess it was at least a slight reach.
If Manning and the Giants work out a deal for 2019 and the Giants  
Ivan15 : 2/2/2019 11:35 am : link
Donít like or canít be sure of drafting a future franchise QB, who do you want to sign in free agency?

Assume adequate cap space that will come from reworking Eliís contract.

Do you sign a career backup who has no hope of being a long term starter or a former starter looking to succeed Eli?
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Jimmy Googs : 2/2/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14284332 Johnny5 said:
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Of why you don't reach for a QB in the draft. And he's not awful, just mediocre. IMO.



So do you think Miami thought they were reaching when they took him?



Obviously I can't say for sure how they felt or where they ranked him on their board, but I feel they did. They were running Matt Moore and Chad Henne out the year before and Tannehill was the 3rd ranked QB on the board after Luck and RG3.

I'm all about BPA and think hand wringing about a QB spot forces teams to overdraft. It's always a gamble. If he TRULY was the highest ranked player on their board then can't fault the pick. But based on who they had at QB on the roster and who was left on the board, I would guess it was at least a slight reach.


Ok, fair enough. Appreciate balanced response Johnny.

I am just a bit tired of hearing posters keep saying Giants shouldn't reach for a QB or teams don't want to reach for a QB. When you know damn well those GMs/Team didn't really think they were when they selected those players. All players come with risk...and QBs probably the most but since there are only typically about single-digit number of QBs available each year they rise...
Despite being averge and often hurt,  
Default : 2/2/2019 11:54 am : link
he and the Dolphins have been more successful than the Giants the past 7 seasons.
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arcarsenal : 2/2/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14284366 Default said:
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he and the Dolphins have been more successful than the Giants the past 7 seasons.


Not exactly a ringing endorsement for any team.
Tannehill is not horrible but he has been injured a lot.  
Ivan15 : 2/2/2019 1:25 pm : link
He is slightly above mediocre and Fins would have made the playoffs if he had t missed games this year.

Injuries have been big for him and for the o-line. He is going to go somewhere and be a consistent winner if he can keep from being injured.

This is a case of new coach, new QB.
RE: Tannehill is not horrible but he has been injured a lot.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/2/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14284441 Ivan15 said:
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He is slightly above mediocre and Fins would have made the playoffs if he had t missed games this year.

Injuries have been big for him and for the o-line. He is going to go somewhere and be a consistent winner if he can keep from being injured.

This is a case of new coach, new QB.


This. Tannehill is already way, way better than Case Keenum ever was before his one year revival under Shurmur Minnesota. Assuming Shurmur can rehab Tannehill, he's actually a very reasonable project for the Giants at the right price. Which is IMO where he will be priced, on a prove it deal.
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arcarsenal : 2/2/2019 1:54 pm : link
If the Giants go after Tannehill, Gettleman should be fired on the spot.
Too many knee jerk reactions NO here.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/2/2019 2:00 pm : link
IMO this is a guy DG thinks long and hard about acquiring if they don't have a guy they like for slot 6.
Give evidence why please Arcs.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/2/2019 2:04 pm : link
Considering what a bum Keenum was until Shurmur worked with him.

Even on a one year deal like Keenum... What bad can come out of it? No one is throwing $$$ at Tannehill now.

He's not an upgrade from Tanney or Lauletta?
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arcarsenal : 2/2/2019 2:09 pm : link
It's not kneejerk. Ryan Tannehill is the exact QB that Gettleman has been stressing not wanting to get stuck with. He's been in the league 7 years now. We know what he is. Thoroughly mediocre and not a championship caliber QB.

It would be a terrible move for the Giants to make and I'd instantly lose faith in this regime.

Tannehill isn't good and it has now been 4 years since he's played a full season. No thank you. Major, major pass.
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arcarsenal : 2/2/2019 2:10 pm : link
We shouldn't be looking for an upgrade to Tanney and Lauletta. We should be looking for an upgrade to Eli. Tannehill isn't it.

I'd rather have Eli at age 38.
Keenum..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/2/2019 2:15 pm : link
was a pretty good fit on the Vikings, the sole year he was decent. But that team had a strong running game and a stout defense.

With the Broncos and with his stints prior to that with the Rams and Texans, he was very pedestrian.

We don't have the component parts where a QB like Tannehill will thrive. Plus, he's injury prone.
Hmmm  
Gman11 : 2/2/2019 2:19 pm : link
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The reason why Ryan Tannehill is a "qb hell" type of guy is because you draft him, he plays well enough at times, but is clearly nothing special - but you get sucked into thinking he can get better. You keep winning 6, 7 and 8 games - you think maybe if you improve the team around him, you'll win with him.

You get too spooked by the prospect of cutting ties too soon only to watch him to succeed elsewhere, so you panic and keep him around - only for him to continue to be thoroughly average and keep your team spinning their wheels in the mud.


This sounds very familiar.
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arcarsenal : 2/2/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14284489 Gman11 said:
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The reason why Ryan Tannehill is a "qb hell" type of guy is because you draft him, he plays well enough at times, but is clearly nothing special - but you get sucked into thinking he can get better. You keep winning 6, 7 and 8 games - you think maybe if you improve the team around him, you'll win with him.

You get too spooked by the prospect of cutting ties too soon only to watch him to succeed elsewhere, so you panic and keep him around - only for him to continue to be thoroughly average and keep your team spinning their wheels in the mud.



This sounds very familiar.


It does, but the difference is that Eli had 2 SB MVP's to his credit around the time this started to go south. It makes sense that someone like Eli Manning, who has on top of this, never missed a game due to injury, would get a significantly longer leash than Ryan Tannehill.

The Giants knew they could win championships with Eli because they already did.

Unfortunately, the clock kind of ran out on Eli playing at a level where he could carry the Giants for stretches and it's getting more expensive and more difficult to get the team around him that he'll need to win.
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Johnny5 : 2/2/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14284516 arcarsenal said:
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The reason why Ryan Tannehill is a "qb hell" type of guy is because you draft him, he plays well enough at times, but is clearly nothing special - but you get sucked into thinking he can get better. You keep winning 6, 7 and 8 games - you think maybe if you improve the team around him, you'll win with him.

You get too spooked by the prospect of cutting ties too soon only to watch him to succeed elsewhere, so you panic and keep him around - only for him to continue to be thoroughly average and keep your team spinning their wheels in the mud.



This sounds very familiar.



It does, but the difference is that Eli had 2 SB MVP's to his credit around the time this started to go south. It makes sense that someone like Eli Manning, who has on top of this, never missed a game due to injury, would get a significantly longer leash than Ryan Tannehill.

The Giants knew they could win championships with Eli because they already did.

Unfortunately, the clock kind of ran out on Eli playing at a level where he could carry the Giants for stretches and it's getting more expensive and more difficult to get the team around him that he'll need to win.

I actually am one of the few that thinks Eli still has more left in the tank. It just tough to see with the crap that they have trotted out in front of him since 2012. He can still win with decent blocking.
The Giants will never see another winning season  
Jimmy Googs : 2/2/2019 6:41 pm : link
with Eli under center.

But lets keep on thinking 2011 was yesterday...
RE: The Giants will never see another winning season  
Johnny5 : 2/3/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14284732 Jimmy Googs said:
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with Eli under center.

But lets keep on thinking 2011 was yesterday...

Maybe. It's pretty clear to me that he can still play when the OL holds up. But it may take longer than he has here to get it to a good enough level. By the time we have the pieces we need on OL AND defense he will likely be gone. But I don't think we're as far off as you clearly do Googs.
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PatersonPlank : 2/3/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14284361 Jimmy Googs said:
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Of why you don't reach for a QB in the draft. And he's not awful, just mediocre. IMO.



So do you think Miami thought they were reaching when they took him?



Obviously I can't say for sure how they felt or where they ranked him on their board, but I feel they did. They were running Matt Moore and Chad Henne out the year before and Tannehill was the 3rd ranked QB on the board after Luck and RG3.

I'm all about BPA and think hand wringing about a QB spot forces teams to overdraft. It's always a gamble. If he TRULY was the highest ranked player on their board then can't fault the pick. But based on who they had at QB on the roster and who was left on the board, I would guess it was at least a slight reach.



Ok, fair enough. Appreciate balanced response Johnny.

I am just a bit tired of hearing posters keep saying Giants shouldn't reach for a QB or teams don't want to reach for a QB. When you know damn well those GMs/Team didn't really think they were when they selected those players. All players come with risk...and QBs probably the most but since there are only typically about single-digit number of QBs available each year they rise...


I think the point is to pick the best player, and the guy who you have the most confidence in while be a stud. You don't want to say "I need a QB" and just take the best one available even if you like players at other positions more. QB is a crapshoot like every other position, teams can't afford to miss with their #1.
You may not want to say "I need a QB" but sometimes you really do  
Jimmy Googs : 2/3/2019 8:19 pm : link
because good ones don't hit free agency too often and they also don't grow on trees.

GMs don't improve their franchise by picking RBs in Rd1 each year because its the safe pick.

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