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pjcas18 : 2/2/2019 5:27 pm
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Giants RB Saquon Barkley wins the AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year at #NFLHonors.
Wooo hoo well deserved  
Ssanders9816 : 2/2/2019 5:28 pm : link
!!!
Awesome  
Josh in the City : 2/2/2019 5:28 pm : link
Well deserved (even if we should have taken a QB)!
Hmmm  
section125 : 2/2/2019 5:29 pm : link
guess it wasn't a bad pick.
Nice. Well done SB.  
Route 9 : 2/2/2019 5:29 pm : link
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Don't draft RB  
Sy'56 : 2/2/2019 5:31 pm : link
in the first round. Or top 10. Or top 5...whatever it was.
As he should have been  
Hsilwek92 : 2/2/2019 5:32 pm : link
Glad they actually got it right.
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arcarsenal : 2/2/2019 5:32 pm : link
Well-deserved. Can't wait to watch him again next season. What an incredible player.
👍  
crick n NC : 2/2/2019 5:36 pm : link
.
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Mdgiantsfan : 2/2/2019 5:38 pm : link
Nice!!!
It really is incredible  
Hsilwek92 : 2/2/2019 5:38 pm : link
The Giants have two players on their roster that can be considered in the top 5 players for their respective positions and yet, the opinions on them from Giants fans are completely polarized.

Fascinating.
Outstanding  
mrvax : 2/2/2019 5:39 pm : link
!
Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
Go Terps : 2/2/2019 5:40 pm : link
He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.
RE: It really is incredible  
arcarsenal : 2/2/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14284662 Hsilwek92 said:
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The Giants have two players on their roster that can be considered in the top 5 players for their respective positions and yet, the opinions on them from Giants fans are completely polarized.

Fascinating.


It's because the team still sucks despite having them.

The disconnect is here...

One camp doesn't feel it was worth it to pay Beckham OR draft Barkley because they feel it's a suboptimal way of building a team. They say "if the Giants are bad with these players, what makes them part of a solution?"

The other camp feels we're simply way too short-handed elsewhere. Particularly on the other side of the ball and that Barkley and Beckham aren't going to carry the team by themselves. Football is a synergistic sport more than probably any other - if the other cogs are creaky/shitty, the unit is going to struggle to run smoothly.

I fall into the latter of the two, personally. But that's why there continues to be so much debate over each guy.
Next stop.....  
johnnyb : 2/2/2019 5:43 pm : link
MVP
And behind a crappy o-line  
CRinCA : 2/2/2019 5:44 pm : link
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Letís goooo!!!!!  
Beezer : 2/2/2019 5:45 pm : link
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Happy for him!  
Sean : 2/2/2019 5:49 pm : link
But, now itís time to build a winner AROUND him. Build around your strengths.
Sticky this thread!  
Canton : 2/2/2019 5:59 pm : link
This is the one that counts!
RE: Awesome  
McNally's_Nuts : 2/2/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14284639 Josh in the City said:
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Well deserved (even if we should have taken a QB)!


Miserable, miserable, miserable poster
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Danny Kanell : 2/2/2019 6:04 pm : link
This isnít the thread to debate if we should have drafted him or not imo. Letís just enjoy and discuss having the AP offensive rookie of the year on our team.
Awesome!!  
OBJRoyal : 2/2/2019 6:09 pm : link
Congrats to Saquon, well deserved!!
RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
Moondawg : 2/2/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.


You are becoming a caricature, imho. You can do better.
RE: RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
Go Terps : 2/2/2019 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14284700 Moondawg said:
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In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:


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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.



You are becoming a caricature, imho. You can do better.


You're right. They're doing a great job.
RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
Bill L : 2/2/2019 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.

Really really tried hard but I just canít brng myself to criticize the strategy of drafting the best players. I know You and others prefer a different strategy, one of not drafting good players, and maybe youíre right that itís a better way, but weíll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
Heís so good  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/2/2019 6:25 pm : link
Really enjoy watching him play. Now letís win!
RE: .  
Big Blue '56 : 2/2/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14284685 Danny Kanell said:
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This isnít the thread to debate if we should have drafted him or not imo. Letís just enjoy and discuss having the AP offensive rookie of the year on our team.


👍
A  
AcidTest : 2/2/2019 6:29 pm : link
great honor. Well deserved. What a year Barkley had last season.
Well deserved!  
Vinny from Danbury : 2/2/2019 6:30 pm : link
Now lets give him a competent Offensive Line, and he can probably compete for league MVP.
3 for 3  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/2/2019 6:32 pm : link
Phenomenal!!!
Rather have the free  
Jimmy Googs : 2/2/2019 6:33 pm : link
Pepsi...
Fantastic!  
Ryan in Albany : 2/2/2019 6:37 pm : link
Give SB a line and damn! Can't wait to see how he follows it up!
Baker Who?  
Stan in LA : 2/2/2019 6:44 pm : link
?
Nice!  
trueblueinpw : 2/2/2019 6:51 pm : link
Great season for the rookie. Hereís something to keep you warm this winter, heís probably going to get even better. I hope he has a long and glorious career as a NY Giant.

Congrats Barks!
Was just watching a few clips of Saquon Barkley's rookie year...  
M.S. : 2/2/2019 6:56 pm : link

...whoa. That guy can just flat out run.

Incidentally, one of his little "tricks" is that he can run with tremendous upper body forward lean, which prevents tacklers form getting at his legs. All you get are his shoulders and his torso. But his legs remain free.

In any event, a superstar player with a fantastic personality. Can't wait to see him again come September!
RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/2/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.


That would be fine if then QB or bust crowd was rational. Teams have grabbed guys like Matt Stafford Mariotta and Winston and have done jack shit. Nick Foles took the Eagles to the Super Bowl. The mantra that you must take QB early in Round 1 is no surety. Especially sI nce the 3 sure fire HOF QBs playing today were taken in late first(Rodgers) 2nd Brees amd 6 th Brady.

So this issue isnít team building theory. Itís people who just insist their opinion is correct. Confusing opinion as fact. Team building is extremely difficult. Find the right coach. Find the right staff. Find players. Donít fuck up the draft. Donít fuck up the cap. Etc. So the Giants look liked they got a a HOF talent and the ďyeah butĒ crowd is still saying it was the wrong pick.
RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
WillVAB : 2/2/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.


What is flawed with Gettlemanís team building strategy?

It seems like youíre passing the sins of the prior regime onto the current one.
congratts pjcas  
Jay in Toronto : 2/2/2019 7:14 pm : link
for the stickey!
If we only..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/2/2019 7:15 pm : link
had 3 cheap mobile QB's instead of Barkley......

Now THAT'S the way to build a team!
Yassss!!!  
Barkley26 : 2/2/2019 7:42 pm : link
Congrats to Saquon... I knew he was special since the Rose Bowl game.
Congrats 26!!  
BigBlue in Keys : 2/2/2019 7:50 pm : link
What an exciting player to watch. Comes off as a stellar person as well.
RE: RE: RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
Mike from Ohio : 2/2/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14284703 Go Terps said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.



You are becoming a caricature, imho. You can do better.



You're right. They're doing a great job.


How many games is it you think they would have won if they had drafted Darnold or Rosen? 12? 14? Would we all be talking about the Giants game tomorrow?

This team sucked last year. With the first pick they selected the Offensive Rookie of the Year. You think that strategy was flawed because someone else would have made them winners this year? How many wins did Darnold get the Jets? Rosen for the Cardinals?

You are absolutely blind to anything that is not your opinion. You may need to someday consider the possibility that you are not infallible.

Congrats Saquon! Glad to see the Giants landed the best player in the draft.
Stick to European football Terps  
Walt in MD : 2/2/2019 8:40 pm : link
You have become a joke.
Awesome! Congrats!  
ZogZerg : 2/2/2019 8:52 pm : link
And that was behind a crappy OLine.
Imagine what he can do if we can get a couple more OL.
RE: Awesome! Congrats!  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/2/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14284824 ZogZerg said:
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And that was behind a crappy OLine.
Imagine what he can do if we can get a couple more OL.


This exactly. Imagine him performing with a + O-line.

And a + QB.
Two Rookie of the Yearís on the team.  
Default : 2/2/2019 9:27 pm : link
Zero playoff wins.
Awesome.
Gotta make the playoffs first  
BSIMatt : 2/2/2019 9:39 pm : link
Haha.
RE: RE: Awesome! Congrats!  
JCin332 : 2/2/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14284828 BlueLou'sBack said:
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And that was behind a crappy OLine.
Imagine what he can do if we can get a couple more OL.



This exactly. Imagine him performing with a + O-line.

And a + QB.


Always have to RIP the QB...well I have news for you he can still play and I would like to see both him and Saquon play behind a good OL...
Predictable thread  
UConn4523 : 2/2/2019 11:20 pm : link
Iíll leave it with a congrats to Barkley, he earned it and it was awesome watching him this season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
Giants_Rock : 2/2/2019 11:41 pm : link
In comment 14284800 Mike from Ohio said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.



You are becoming a caricature, imho. You can do better.



You're right. They're doing a great job.



How many games is it you think they would have won if they had drafted Darnold or Rosen? 12? 14? Would we all be talking about the Giants game tomorrow?

This team sucked last year. With the first pick they selected the Offensive Rookie of the Year. You think that strategy was flawed because someone else would have made them winners this year? How many wins did Darnold get the Jets? Rosen for the Cardinals?

You are absolutely blind to anything that is not your opinion. You may need to someday consider the possibility that you are not infallible.

Congrats Saquon! Glad to see the Giants landed the best player in the draft.


We wouldn't have won more than a handful of games no matter who we drafted and we won't be good for awhile.....to many bad drafts the last several years and a new GM that trades away two good players for next to nothing. Who do you see as our QB in three years when hopefully we've fixed this mess?

Congrats to SB though. Hes a great player just like Barry Sanders was.
Haskins  
Canton : 2/2/2019 11:44 pm : link
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RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
djm : 2/3/2019 12:23 am : link
In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.


It was a great pick. Thatís it.
RE: RE: RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
djm : 2/3/2019 12:25 am : link
In comment 14284703 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:


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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.



You are becoming a caricature, imho. You can do better.



You're right. They're doing a great job.


What the fuck does that have to do with one great player??? You pick THIS mountain to stand on? Wtf are you even talking about.
RE: RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
Go Terps : 2/3/2019 12:35 am : link
In comment 14284908 djm said:
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In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:


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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.



It was a great pick. Thatís it.


You can determine that after one season? A season where the team went 5-11? Ok...
RE: RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
bw in dc : 2/3/2019 2:28 am : link
In comment 14284908 djm said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.



It was a great pick. Thatís it.


The best way to characterize the pick was a safe one. You are like most Giant fans - you were entertained by Barkley. In games we didnít win, and Barkley had a great game, he was comfort food. ďHey, did you see that Saquon run?!? Did you see that great catch and run?!?Ē

Unless they solve the massive problem at QB, and quickly, Barkley is just another running back who doesnít touch the ball enough in the course of a game to impact it like the QB. Itís really simple math. And thatís why itís always easier and smarter to go to your nearest RB Store and get one from the ď85-90% of Barkley AisleĒ. Itís always the best buy and value.
Barkley was a safe pick and an impact player. Should we have  
Ira : 2/3/2019 6:54 am : link
taken a qb - namely Darnold? At this point it's hard to say. He did play better toward the end of a shaky rookie season, so we'll have a better idea of how good he is next season. My guess is he'll be a good, but not great nfl qb. But we'll see.

At this point, I'm glad we took Barkley, but Darnold could change my mind if he continues to improve.
RE: RE: RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
map7711 : 2/3/2019 7:11 am : link
In comment 14284912 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14284664 Go Terps said:


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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.



It was a great pick. Thatís it.



You can determine that after one season? A season where the team went 5-11? Ok...


You just want to be right sooooo bad. So so bad. Youíd rather the Giants flop just so you can say you were right.
Congrats to the next Jim Brown/Gale Sayers?  
Big Blue '56 : 2/3/2019 8:51 am : link
What a steal. This type of player rarely gets to the Giants
So here's what everyone wants to know...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 2/3/2019 8:57 am : link
Will Barkley be taken #1 overall in fantasy drafts?
RE: RE: RE: Awesome! Congrats!  
Britt in VA : 2/3/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14284858 JCin332 said:
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And that was behind a crappy OLine.
Imagine what he can do if we can get a couple more OL.



This exactly. Imagine him performing with a + O-line.

And a + QB.



Always have to RIP the QB...well I have news for you he can still play and I would like to see both him and Saquon play behind a good OL...


Didn't Saquon break the record for receptions by a rookie RB all time, as well as tie OBJ for rookie receptions by any position? Will a new QB get him the ball more?
Sarcasm here is hysterical  
joeinpa : 2/3/2019 9:17 am : link
If you watched Barkley play in college, You understood what a great player he is.

Donít know why it s so difficult to understand that wanting a quarterback we thought had a chance to be good, is also a reasonable position.

But that s bbi
various...  
ColHowPepper : 2/3/2019 9:59 am : link
arc, your 5:42 pm yesterday: I am not so sure those are really distinct camps, more like two aspects of the same dilemma

it's a very much deserved honor for Saquon, and he seems like a pretty down to earth, team oriented guy, let's hope OBJ doesn't rub him the wrong way into a different kind of guy

as to the serial blasting of Go Terps and his team building refrain, I get and to some extent endorse what is being said on the latter point and I make these observations, fwiw:

- 1st and foremost, the eight years of neglect, damage, and incompetence wrought by the prior regime was never going to be undone in a year, even three;

- add to that the Manning conundrum, which I think GT would place at the center of the wrong way of going about team building going forward: he, Eli being gone is a core part of moving on, on the field and in terms of how his cap hit is a huge opportunity cost: how the Manning issue is dealt with will be a tell, good if creatively and decisively, bad if more muddle through

- and the latter leads to where I'm most sympathetic to GT: you look at the intelligence of McVay and some of the young blood on the sidelines and FOs, and it strikes me that the hidebound Giants FO is just not going to back a guy, a plan, that will break the mold of mediocrity that this team has been stuck in for the past 8 years.

After all, in January 2016, John Mara famously said: "We believe Jerry is the right guy to lead us forward."

The lack of clear vision, the lack of football instincts, the thunderously wrong judgments being made at Mara Central doesn't leave me with a high level of confidence. So, maybe instead of 'team building', which has become an unfortunate coda here to define and differentiate two camps, it's whether DG and Shurmur can separate themselves from the dreary, unimaginative, mistake-ridden process and decisions of the past.
It's really uncanny.  
Mad Mike : 2/3/2019 10:03 am : link
It's a shame Barkley is a good kid too, otherwise he'd be a true wet dream for the usual suspect.
Barkley should be a captain next year.  
GiantsUA : 2/3/2019 10:41 am : link
promote him!
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arcarsenal : 2/3/2019 10:44 am : link
CHP...

I'm not sure they're really the same camp, because I am constantly arguing with people who belong to the first and arguing the points I made when I referenced the second.

You can see it in several posts - people basically say it doesn't matter how good Barkley is if it doesn't fix the team. The problem is, there were so many other aspects that needed help.

It wouldn't have mattered who we drafted. We'd still have been a bad football team with any other player we could have chosen.

This award basically tells you that. We took the best guy in the entire class, and it still only got us 2 wins better than the season prior. So, people will take that as evidence that Barkley wasn't quite as good a pick as others believe - because he's not moving the needle enough.

But in the NFL, nothing outside of an elite QB is going to do that alone. And I don't believe there was one available to us when we picked last April. Nothing Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen or Josh Allen did in year one made me worry that we fucked this up. Darnold showed flashes, and also played dreadfully at times. I'm not convinced Josh Allen is good at all, and Josh Rosen had a situation that made him very tough to evaluate.

We still need a QB. Most of us know that the successor has to come as soon as we can possibly identify him. But that doesn't mean Barkley was a bad or incorrect pick.

The talent base here is lacking. We should be trying to fix that by infusing as much as humanly possible regardless of what side of the ball they play on or what position they play (kickers and punters excluded, obviously)
Arc  
joeinpa : 2/3/2019 11:03 am : link
I agree that nothing Darnold did confirms he should have been the guy.

But then again, we would have said the same thing about Eli after his first season, in regards to being worth what the Giants gave up for him
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arcarsenal : 2/3/2019 11:10 am : link
I actually think Sam Darnold is going to be pretty good.

He has no weapons right now. His WR's suck, his RB's are mostly nobodies (Powell is underrated, but got hurt this year - Enunwa was also hurt. Robby Anderson is one dimensional)

But I don't think Darnold is ever going to be an "elite" top fight QB and I don't think Darnold is going to be anything we can't get if we choose the right guy this year or next. Which is why I don't understand all the bellyaching over taking the RB. People are treating this as if we passed on a once in a lifetime opportunity. I didn't see it that way at all. The only rare opportunity we'd have passed on would have been if we passed on Barkley, really.

I'm slightly less confident in this class, but I think Tua is probably a better prospect than Darnold and Lawrence definitely will be.

I still want Haskins and although I've been very vocal about my concern regarding Kyler Murray - I do believe he'll be quite good if he can actually stay on the football field and is fully committed to his craft.

Jones grew on me a little, but I feel he's too capped as a prospect. I see tons of growth room and potential for the 2 guys I mentioned before - but I don't see it as much for Jones. I don't like Lock and I really do not like Grier.
The order of operations is a head scratcher for me  
UConn4523 : 2/3/2019 11:24 am : link
Many on this board feel like building a team shouldnít be done until the QB is in place, and they quote ďwastingĒ the years of Barkley and Beckham as reasons. I think thatís utter bullshit because ďwastingĒ cost controlled QB years is worst of all and we can be spinning our wheels with no run game watching Darnold or Rosen scrambling and getting hit for a couple of seasons before we see that investment pay off.

I would have been happy with her way, QB or Barkley. We took Barkley and heís Fucking awesome. I love watching him play, so I get something out of these games even in a lost season. Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come, we will see what happens but in no way shape or form was drafting Barkley not wise.
As I recall all our talent evaluators; DG, Shuurmur, Shula  
TMS : 2/3/2019 2:13 pm : link
were all on board with the Barkley pick over one of the touted QBs with the second pick. Good sign for our future talent decisions I am hoping. Do not know their feelings on Mayfield , who did not get much ink IN NYC.
arc  
ColHowPepper : 2/3/2019 2:28 pm : link
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One camp doesn't feel it was worth it to pay Beckham OR draft Barkley because they feel it's a suboptimal way of building a team. They say "if the Giants are bad with these players, what makes them part of a solution?"

The other camp feels we're simply way too short-handed elsewhere. Particularly on the other side of the ball and that Barkley and Beckham aren't going to carry the team by themselves. Football is a synergistic sport more than probably any other - if the other cogs are creaky/shitty, the unit is going to struggle to run smoothly.
I offered that the two camps were part of the same dilemma because both reflect the talent deficit across the board. But I agree with you in that I don't understand how deliberately not drafting the consensus (FO) BPA does not help build a team. The 'way too short handed elsewhere' underpins EVERYTHING. Only time and better drafting will address it, our next QB being a key element.
RE: Congrats to the next Jim Brown/Gale Sayers?  
TMS : 2/3/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14284976 Big Blue '56 said:
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What a steal. This type of player rarely gets to the Giants
Could be, and don't leave out OJ Simpson . None of those guys could run routes or catch the football. This guy does.
"Barkley named AP Offensive Rookie of the Year"  
Stan in LA : 2/3/2019 3:03 pm : link
I think I had that, right Speedy?
map771  
Go Terps : 2/3/2019 3:12 pm : link
The Giants ARE flopping. There's no other way to see it.
RE: RE: RE: Criticizing the pick isn't about Barkley  
djm : 2/3/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14284912 Go Terps said:
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He's a great talent and we're all glad to have him.

It's about criticizing the team building strategy, which is more than fair considering where the team is. Things are going to have to improve drastically for the strategy to be proven correct.



It was a great pick. Thatís it.



You can determine that after one season? A season where the team went 5-11? Ok...


You see terps, I live in the real world. A world without the advantage of hindsight. I live in a world where we observe the player drafted and formulate an opinion on that playerís ability and production as an nfl rookie. I canít see into the future. I can only see right now. And what I see in Barkley is an extraordinary talent. A great player. And even better person off the field. That right there is why I know this was a great pick. Iím not going to blame the GM or team if Barkley gets hurt in 3 years because no one knows what the future holds. All we can go on is what weíve seen right now. Barkley was nearly a stone cold lock to play at an elite level in the nfl. Thatís why he was a great pick. Try and stay with me here... but if the giants drafted guys like Barkley and yes, Beckham, theyíd be fucking awesome right now and no team building pontificating would apply. The objective is to find great players and add great players and try to keep the great players right here. Thatís it. Thereís no magic formula. No secret sauce. There just great coaching and great players and great teams. And thatís it.
djm  
Go Terps : 2/3/2019 4:43 pm : link
Those of us criticizing the Barkley pick haven't done so in hindsight, but actually with foresight. Many were saying drafting a RB that high was folly, because a running back has little relative impact on the game and is easily replaceable. This was a widely held belief on BBI before we picked Barkley, and there were many examples of this fact in the league this year.

Some of us continued to believe this previously widely accepted truth. Others opted to rewrite the narrative to align with the Giants' team building strategy. You fall in the latter group.
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djm : 2/3/2019 6:23 pm : link
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Those of us criticizing the Barkley pick haven't done so in hindsight, but actually with foresight. Many were saying drafting a RB that high was folly, because a running back has little relative impact on the game and is easily replaceable. This was a widely held belief on BBI before we picked Barkley, and there were many examples of this fact in the league this year.

Some of us continued to believe this previously widely accepted truth. Others opted to rewrite the narrative to align with the Giants' team building strategy. You fall in the latter group.


Great rbs, great players are not irreplaceable. This is a myth. There is no example out there that proves greatness is easily aquired or replaceable. Never was, never will be. A guy like James white? Or 1990 Ottis Anderson? Or CJ Anderson? Sure, with a good OL you can plug guys like that in or out.

Thereís a huge difference between finding an able bodied rb and greatness and you damm well know this.
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djm : 2/3/2019 6:25 pm : link
2010 is a long time ago. Iíd like to remind you that the rb dynamic has changed. Look at the best rbs lately. All picked high in the draft.

The position was never devalued or demphaised. More bullshit from lazy analytics. The position was simply in a slump. Donít believe me? Look for yourself.
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