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NFT: Moana is so much better than Frozen

bhill410 : 2/2/2019 6:55 pm
Not sure if anyone else has kids in the toddler range but I finally got roped into watching frozen. Holy hell, I cannot figure out why this made 2x what Moana made in theaters. Admittedly I have two boys but Moana is so much better is essentially every facet I can discern and they both have female protagonists. So what have you BBI I canít be only a-hole dealing with this on a Saturday instead of strippers and jagerbombers.
Yea Frozen sucks  
Dave in PA : 2/2/2019 7:01 pm : link
For a big budget animated movie itís just lousy
My 8 year old daughter  
pjcas18 : 2/2/2019 7:07 pm : link
(at the time she was 8) liked Frozen better, but also like Moana (10 or 11 when it came out)

I'm guessing that's maybe more their target audience than old dudes.
That's like saying  
Bill in UT : 2/2/2019 7:12 pm : link
Bud Light is so much better than Miller Lite.
The songs are  
spike : 2/2/2019 7:15 pm : link
More popular
Totally agree.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/2/2019 7:17 pm : link
I was very surprised by Moana.
Pj while I am obviously not target demographic  
bhill410 : 2/2/2019 7:23 pm : link
I am the guy who pays to rent this stuff. Not sure if that means anything really but just pointing out how much better Moana was.
Moana had great animation  
Les in TO : 2/2/2019 7:36 pm : link
And the Rock as Maui
I have a 5 year old redhead who loves Anna and the songs are contagious

I took the kids to Disney on ice and people just go nuts for frozen.
Frozen FTW  
Karl Hungus : 2/2/2019 7:38 pm : link
You've got the whole contrast between hope and fear. It speaks to the human soul on many levels.
RE: Pj while I am obviously not target demographic  
pjcas18 : 2/2/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14284771 bhill410 said:
I am the guy who pays to rent this stuff. Not sure if that means anything really but just pointing out how much better Moana was.

of course, and you're probably right and I never saw either, but I'm just going by what my daughter liked.

When she started playing hockey we had a 45 minute ride three days a week (at least) to the rink for practice and she would watch Frozen every time on her ipod touch. she must have watched it 500 times. She was a little older when Moana came out, but not even close to the same interest.

just sharing better to a grown man, maybe isn't better to their target, for whatever reason, story, music, character identification, whatever.
I hated frozen  
UConn4523 : 2/2/2019 7:48 pm : link
just a dumb story with forgettable characters. Olaf stunk. Moana is infinitely better, cooler sorry and characters and top notch animation.
Frozen wasn't meant to be watched  
Ron from Ninerland : 2/2/2019 8:00 pm : link
on an iPod touch.
RE: Frozen wasn't meant to be watched  
pjcas18 : 2/2/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14284797 Ron from Ninerland said:
on an iPod touch.

well it was watched on an ipod touch. a lot. My daughter saw it in the theater too, at least a couple times.

not sure why people have an issue separating the cinematic requirements of a 8 year old girl vs a grown man.

I'm no hollywood expert, but I don't think frozen achieved the commercial success it achieved because of people like bhill's opinion and I don't mean this to be a dick. it achieved the success it did because 8 year old girls loved it. more than Moana.
RE: Moana had great animation  
robbieballs2003 : 2/2/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14284780 Les in TO said:
And the Rock as Maui
I have a 5 year old redhead who loves Anna and the songs are contagious

I took the kids to Disney on ice and people just go nuts for frozen.

I went to Disney on Ice too. It was cool. Moana was really cool as was The Toy Story. Frozen sucked imo. The best by far was Coco.
Speaking for all 8 year old girls  
EB222 : 2/2/2019 8:26 pm : link

Tangled was the best in show.
Frozen was a princess movie.  
Dodge : 2/2/2019 9:11 pm : link
Moana wasnt. I have a 6 yo daughter. This is the only answer.
RE: That's like saying  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/2/2019 9:40 pm : link
In comment 14284760 Bill in UT said:
Bud Light is so much better than Miller Lite.

I guess my original point is more  
bhill410 : 2/2/2019 9:40 pm : link
That I get 6 year old girls loving a princess movie. But Moana was best picture worthy and would appeal to both girls and boys, why the hell did frozen double it in the box office? Moanaís soundtrack - to any impartial person, is 1000x better (Lin manual did score), animation was better, story was better, and it had the rock which should matter people!
Moana much better  
lugnut : 2/2/2019 10:02 pm : link
Though I didnít mind Frozen. Iíve always been indifferent to The Rock, but he made Moana. He was hilarious and he can actually sing.
I have two young daughters  
eclipz928 : 2/2/2019 10:05 pm : link
They love both of these movies. I wouldn't argue with anyone that says that Moana is better than Frozen, but in terms of box office and marketing the fact that Frozen came out first factors in significantly. Prior to it's release there just wasn't too many big screen examples of a strong female protagonist in a kid friendly movie. If Moana came out first it could have very well been just as successful and popular.

But that aside, I would say that Frozen has songs that are catchier and more singable. Children love the winter and snow, so those themes in the movie are very attractive. And also, Elsa is the only Disney princess with super powers - so there's a coolness factor.

Moana is a very good movie.  
St. Jimmy : 2/2/2019 10:13 pm : link
We haven't made it through Frozen yet. I was disappointed they got rid of the Norwegian Mythology ride at Epcot and replaced it with frozen.

If your kids haven't seen it yet, get Wreck-it Ralph. It is great if you grew up when arcade games were big.
Let it Go is a great song  
spike : 2/2/2019 10:16 pm : link
My 3 year old can sing it verbatim.
RE: RE: Moana had great animation  
Les in TO : 2/2/2019 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14284807 robbieballs2003 said:
In comment 14284780 Les in TO said:


And the Rock as Maui
I have a 5 year old redhead who loves Anna and the songs are contagious

I took the kids to Disney on ice and people just go nuts for frozen.

I went to Disney on Ice too. It was cool. Moana was really cool as was The Toy Story. Frozen sucked imo. The best by far was Coco.
we had a slightly different set list. Mulan and Beauty and the beast instead of coco and moana. Most entertaining part of the night was watching a man snap at his partner who was about to buy a $20 snow cone in an Olaf cup
Banks : 2/2/2019 11:58 pm : link
I have a 29 yr old coworker who said Frozen was great and was more adult. I have a toddler and caught it twice. I think he was on crack. Besides being unenjoyable for an adult imo, I can't believe even little girls liked the movie that much. Olaf was terribly annoying and the story was very meh. Moana on the other hand was great throughout. I hated pseudo musicals even as a little kid, but I enjoyed the Moana songs along with the story.
Since we're on the topic of animated movies, I hope How to Train Your Dragon 3 is good. My little guy loves toothless.
There's a lot to be said for good music  
Ron from Ninerland : 2/3/2019 12:22 am : link
Disney classics such as Frozen have broadway quality music. Thats part of what makes them classics. In addition, Frozen had a very memorable character in Elsa, part Disney princess, part X-man. When I was growing up in the 60's, Mary Poppins was the great social phenomenon that Frozen is today. The movie was in the theaters for years it seemed and the music was constantly on the radio and other mediums of the time. Every kid could sing and pronounce supercallafragalisticexpiasllodocous, just as every kid today ( along with a lot of adults ) can sing "Let it go" I'm not trying to knock Moanna, but there wasn't nearly as much music. I'm also not trying to be a smart ass when I say that Frozen wasn't meant to be seen on an iPod touch. IMHO Frozen, along with Tangled has the best 3D animation I've every seen and can really be appreciated in a good theatre.

P.S. Since its Super Bowl day, I've added a link that combines Frozen with Football
"For the first time in forever" Cleveland Browns edition. - ( New Window )
jestersdead : 2/3/2019 12:31 am : link
Is really good. I have. Boy toddler and we are going through Disney/Pixar movies. My preference for watching is Moana, Tangled, Frozen. I think Tangled crushes Frozen
Great thread.  
Del Shofner : 2/3/2019 1:09 am : link
Seriously! My toddlers are grand-kids rather than my kids, but BBI is always a source of relevant information. I knew there was a Moana-Frozen debate out there, and after reading this thread I can take either side.
Give me Coco over these two any day  
Reeses Pieces : 2/3/2019 7:14 am : link
The message of family value is tremendous.
Ron do you honestly think the music in Frozen  
bhill410 : 2/3/2019 7:16 am : link
Was overall better than Moana? I get the really popular song but Moanaís main tune had just as much commercial success (I think at least) and the rest of the songs were catchier to me at least. Lin Manual also has more broadway chops than whoever wrote frozens stuff. And I can make that claim despite loathing Broadway because this is the internet and uninformed opinions reign.
RE: Give me Coco over these two any day  
UConn4523 : 2/3/2019 7:31 am : link
In comment 14284943 Reeses Pieces said:
The message of family value is tremendous.

Agreed. Coco is fantastic and itís the best animation Iíve seen to date. The message and how they tell the story through music is exceptional. Iím also a sucker for anything involving stuff like dia de muertos - the world they created there was spectacular.

Agree with a poster above regarding Tangled, itís the best of the modern princess movies.
Moana was a princess too  
MetsAreBack : 2/3/2019 10:31 am : link
just saying... Rock even makes a joke about it at one point.

It's too bad so many 40 year old males here didn't care for Frozen though... Disney totally missed on that demographic.
RE: Give me Coco over these two any day  
Boy Cord : 2/3/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14284943 Reeses Pieces said:
The message of family value is tremendous.

Coco: Best animated film ever.

Couple reasons why Frozen is perceived to be better. Canít get in to all of them because itís too controversial. The songs give the movie life. Kids donít analyze the arc of the story. A kid hears ĎLet it Goí and there is a visceral reaction: OMG. I love that movie!!

Coco was insane. The story was amazing and the animation, primarily the use of color, was jaw dropping. I wish there was more singing in Coco.
I prefer Moana over Frozen  
JohnF : 2/3/2019 11:10 am : link
While the Frozen songs are amazing, the script is sub par for Disney, IMO. Where Frozen shines after the songs is in three areas:

1) Sister interaction. I think that struck a chord in young girls, and they really related to Anna/Elsa's issues with each other.

2) Sub-Characters. Olaf/Sven/Trolls beat anything in Moana (Pua the pig and Heihei the chicken) for kids.

3) The story, while a bit of a mess, is much easier for kids to understand. Moana delves into Polynesian culture/myth, something kids in Europe/North America are really unfamiliar with.

For adults, I think Moana is a superior film. Great music, amazing story, great family interaction (the grandmother is amazing), and great exposure to Polynesian culture/myths. Oh, and the Rock!
Iím at some kidz zone thing now  
UConn4523 : 2/3/2019 11:19 am : link
and Moana songs are playing and itís crazy how well they nailed the Polynesian culture. Itís also cool how they made a local kid from Hawaii the star of the movie. My only real critique of Moana is they didnít use Pua enough, it thatís a very minor complaint.
Huge overriding factor....Popularity of Let it Go song  
NYG27 : 2/3/2019 11:36 am : link
Moana was better, had better storyline and songs in my opinion.

Although nothing even remotely came close to becoming to the pop culture force that Let it Go became.

As the popularity of that song picked up, so did the box office totals of that movie. That song alone drove the $$$ of that film.

Right at the peak of that song, wife and I took our three young kids to the Disney store. Normal affair usually, nothing out of the norm. Then the song came on....the whole store stopped and every kid at the top of their lungs screaming sang along to it.

So while the Rock was great in Moana, I enjoyed the songs and story much better than Frozen. I can't deny the force that Let it Go was on kids pop culture at the time.
Moana wins  
feelflows : 2/3/2019 1:30 pm : link
for Tamatoa alone. He is the best.
Moana songs are fire. How Far I'll Go is a jam and a half.  
NoGainDayne : 2/3/2019 1:36 pm : link
My niece has probably watched Moana 1,000 times. At least 10 around me. I enjoy it every time.
Both solid movies IMO  
bigbluehoya : 2/3/2019 1:58 pm : link
Iíll sheepishly admit that my kids and I have been known to have some prettt epic singalongs during weekend breakfast. ĎFor the First Time In Foreverí is a personal favorite.
The market has spoken  
HomerJones45 : 2/3/2019 2:25 pm : link
Frozen doubled the take of Moana- $1.2 billion and that does not count the merchandising where it walloped just about everything else.

Moana rocks  
Hammer : 2/3/2019 4:15 pm : link
The story is first class. The message is first class. The music is first class.

I love it, have found it inspirational and have watched it too many times to mention.
Homer thatís my point  
bhill410 : 2/3/2019 4:59 pm : link
Why? Because Moana is way better and way more appealing to boys as well as girls
RE: Homer thatís my point  
pjcas18 : 2/3/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14285375 bhill410 said:
Why? Because Moana is way better and way more appealing to boys as well as girls

You're still stuck where you started.

Why do you say it was more appealing to girls? Let alone way more appealing.

I mentioned my own anecdotal experience, but it wasn't just my own kid(s).

Halloween for two years after it was released half the girls or more from that age were dressed as characters from Frozen.

Maybe the poster who said because it was released first has a point, but Frozen was FAR more popular with young girls than Moana.

And I'm not sure it's really close. Frozen was a mania or a craze. It was a phenomenon I equate to what I saw with Beatlemania (though that was before my time).

I took my kids to Disney World around Frozen time and they had a "Frozen Sing-along" show I got roped into going to and it was 1000 people singing every word to the songs from Frozen. Longest wait in the park, longer than any of the rides the f-ing Frozen Sing-Along.

I think what you're doing is trying to put the lens of an adult male on a movie meant 100% for young girls. Some animated movies are designed to transcend age, like the Night at the Smithsonian movies and perhaps even Moana, but IMO not Frozen. You're saying things like the story was better, songs better, etc. maybe true, but not to the 6 - 10 year old girls the movie was being marketed.

No clue how you can say Moana is more appealing to girls based on being an adult male and looking at the box office results. Who do you think went to see it so much?

and to be clear I've never seen either movie, though I have heard Frozen a million (slight exaggeration, slight) times.

Dinner at the bhill410 household  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/3/2019 6:31 pm : link
ďWhatíya mean you want ketchup on your burger? Ghost pepper sauce is WAAAY better! Come on - pour it on!Ē
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