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John McVay

Eli Wilson : 2/3/2019 4:14 pm
Somehow I never knew he was Sean McVay's grandfather, until today.

Anyways, how is he viewed by some of our older fans?

I didn't start really following football until 1980, so all I know about him was being the head coach during the end of the dark times.
Four words:  
Anakim : 2/3/2019 4:19 pm : link
Miracle at the Meadowlands
RE: Four words:  
Eli Wilson : 2/3/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14285328 Anakim said:
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Miracle at the Meadowlands


That's my one strong memory of that time. Literally my Dad smashed his radio when that happened. Pretty odd for a very mild mannered person.
Power up 65  
Paulie Walnuts : 2/3/2019 4:25 pm : link
...John ended up as a very successful exec for the 49ers and we gut Parcells and GY , so it all worked out in the end
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Paulie Walnuts : 2/3/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14285328 Anakim said:
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Miracle at the Meadowlands

Eagle phans call it that... Giants fans just call it "The Fumble"
RE: RE: Four words:  
Anakim : 2/3/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14285341 Paulie Walnuts said:
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In comment 14285328 Anakim said:


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Miracle at the Meadowlands


Eagle phans call it that... Giants fans just call it "The Fumble"


Well the Fumble popularly refers to the Browns/Broncos playoff game fumble
Also, the Rams Special Teams Coach....  
MOOPS : 2/3/2019 4:31 pm : link
is John Fassel, son of Jim. Just in case anyone wasn't aware.
RE: RE: RE: Four words:  
Paulie Walnuts : 2/3/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14285346 Anakim said:
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In comment 14285341 Paulie Walnuts said:


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In comment 14285328 Anakim said:


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Miracle at the Meadowlands


Eagle phans call it that... Giants fans just call it "The Fumble"



Well the Fumble popularly refers to the Browns/Broncos playoff game fumble


not in NY
Two former Giants contributed a lot to the 49ers sucess  
Defenderdawg : 2/3/2019 4:41 pm : link
John McVay - Also did a good job with Memphis in the WFL before joining the Giants

Allan Webb SS NYG 1961-1965, NYG Assistant in the 70ís - Became Director of pro personnel in SF after a stint in Detroit
Wasnít it with John McVay with one of the all-time great quotes?  
Boy Cord : 2/3/2019 5:09 pm : link
Reporter: What do you think about your teamís execution.

McVay: Iím in favor of it.

RE: Wasnít it with John McVay with one of the all-time great quotes?  
Boy Cord : 2/3/2019 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14285382 Boy Cord said:
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Reporter: What do you think about your teamís execution.

McVay: Iím in favor of it.


Wait. Or was that John McKay??
Great personnel man for the 49ers. Sad end to his Giants coaching  
yatqb : 2/3/2019 5:17 pm : link
career.
John McVay was a good coach and a better executive.  
Red Dog : 2/3/2019 5:26 pm : link
I hate it when people run down McVay because all they have seen of him is his won-lost record. I was watching every GIANTS game possible in those days and had a ringside seat as the seasons unfolded.

He took over the team from Bill Arnsparger, another good coach who doesn't get his due from today's GIANTS fans. Arnsparger was one hell of a defensive coach. He took a dreadful defense and turned it into one of the very best in the entire NFL. Unfortunately he was one of those guys who just couldn't get it done on the other side of the football and was fired after compiling a poor record.

McVay succeeded him and built on the defensive foundation that Arnsparger left. Note that this was back when the GIANTS drafting, trading, and signing of free agents was still pretty suspect to say the least. They really never had anywhere near a top QB through this whole era, and the rest of the offense (and some of the defensive depth, too) was largely a bunch of cast-offs, never-wases, and over-the-hill guys.

Nevertheless, McVay got the GIANTS to the point of being one offensive holding penalty (on #65 OL John Turturo if I remember correctly) away from turning the team around with a huge opening day win over the heavily favored Redskins. Unfortunately that penalty was not overcome, cost the GIANTS the game, and pretty much killed the team's morale for the rest of the season.

McVay was eventually fired and went on to a very successful time as GM of the 49ers in the early part of their glory years.

In my eyes McVay was a better GIANTS HC coach who did more with less than several of those who succeeded him, specifically Handley, Reeves, and McAdoof, and arguably Fassell.
Red Dog  
Samiam : 2/3/2019 5:57 pm : link
Agree with everything but Arnsbarger as HC. To me, he is the very example of the Peter Principle. Somebody does a great job at one thing so they get promoted to a job they canít do. A very good defensive coordinator but a bad head coach. Quiet as s church mouse, he could not motivate the team at all. Your other points, while a little controversial , are on target
I was very young but  
SomeFan : 2/3/2019 6:06 pm : link
my feeling has always been that he was terrible in a long line of terrible coaches until Ray Perkins came along. However, in retrospect, it was more likely incredibly dumb and dysfunctional ownership than the coaching. In fact, that seems clear now that it was our effed up ownership.

I think Seam McVay is going to be a HoF coach starting this year.
RE: John McVay was a good coach and a better executive.  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/3/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14285390 Red Dog said:
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He took over the team from Bill Arnsparger, another good coach who doesn't get his due from today's GIANTS fans. Arnsparger was one hell of a defensive coach. He took a dreadful defense and turned it into one of the very best in the entire NFL.

Uh, no. In his 2 full seasons coaching the team, they were ranked 23rd and 17th in the leauge (out of 26) in points allowed. 24th and 21st in yards allowed. A far cry from the very best in the NFL.

Also: they gave up 23.5ppg in the 7 games he coached in 1976. They gave up 12ppg after he was fired.
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PatersonPlank : 2/3/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14285341 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Miracle at the Meadowlands


Eagle phans call it that... Giants fans just call it "The Fumble"


Its called The Fumble. It was anything but a freakin miracle
RE: RE: Wasnít it with John McVay with one of the all-time great quotes?  
Greg from LI : 2/3/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14285383 Boy Cord said:
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In comment 14285382 Boy Cord said:


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Reporter: What do you think about your teamís execution.

McVay: Iím in favor of it.




Wait. Or was that John McKay??


It was McKay, the Bucs inaugural coach
hmm  
giantfan2000 : 2/4/2019 10:13 am : link
you didn't remember in 2017 when McVay 's Ram piled on the Giants - 51-17?

He kept the pedal to metal even though the game was essentially over in the beginning of third quarter.

Many thought McVay did this to get revenge for the way the Giants treated his Grandfather .
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