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DanMetroMan : 2/4/2019 9:11 am
- Cecchini cleared waivers (yikes to his value around the league).

-NYFS top 50
Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"

If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 30% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.

*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
*Drew Smith is ineligible
*Tyler Bashlor is ineligible

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
4) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
5) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
6) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
7) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
8 ) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
10) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
11) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
12) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
13) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
14) Dez Lindsay (OF) 7/18-39%
15) Tony Dibrell (RHP) 9/23-39%
16) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 7/21-33%, Run-off with Nido 18/24-75%
17) Junior Santos (RHP) 6/28-21%, Run-off with Nido 11/20-55%
18) Tomas Nido (C) 10/23-43%
19) Luis Guillorme (SS) 9/24-38%
20) Adrian Hernandez 6/26-23%, run-off with Wahl/Cortes 8/15-53%
21) Carlos Cortes (2b) 8/21-38%
22) Steven Villines (RHP) 4/16 25%, Run-off with Thompson/Wahl 9/23-39%
23) David Thompson (3b) 8/23-35%
24) Ali Sanchez (C) 9/17-53%
25) Eric Hanhold (RHP) 7/21-33%, run-off 7/20-35%
26) Luis Carpio (IF) 4/18-22%, runoff with Uriarte 9/14-64%
27) Stanley Consuegra (OF) 4/20-20%, runoff with Uriarte/Valdez 6/17-35%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
28) Juan Uriarte (C) 4/19-21%
29) Freddy Valdez (OF) 7/17-41%
30) Daniel Zamora (LHP) 3/17-18%, run-off with Montes De Oca 10/12-83%
31) Jaylen Palmer (??) 3/12-25%, run-off with Montes de Oca/Vilera 9/16-56%
32) Ryley Gilliam (RHP) 5/22-23%, run-off with Manea 8/16-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
33) Matt Winaker (OF) 4/22-18
34) Kyle Dowdy (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Vilera 9/12-75%
35) Jaison Vilera (RHP) 6/17-35%
36) Jose Miguel Medina(OF) 6/17-24%
37) Jeremy Vasquez (1b) 3/18-17% run-off with MDO/Manea/Viall 3/7-43%
38) Patrick Mazeika (C) 4/13-31%
39) Walker Lockett (RHP) 5/13-38%
40) Sam Haggerty (UTIL) 7/11 64%
41) Chris Viall (RHP) 4/11 36%
42) Ryder Ryan (RHP) 8/13- 62%
43) Bryce Montes de Oca 6/19 32%
44) Christian James 6/17-35%
45) Joe Cavallaro 3/17-18%, run-off with Brodey 7/13-54%
46) Michael Paez (IF) 5/22-23%
47) David Marcano (RHP) 4/22-18%, run-off with Brody 7/12-58%
48) Quinn Brodey (OF) 5/23-22%, 9/13-69%
49) Jose Moreno (RHP) 4/23-17% run-off with Gonzalez 8/14-57%
50) Tim Tebow (OF) 8/33-24%, run-off with Gonzalez 17/27-63%

HM-
Yoel Romero (UTIL)
Gregory Guerrero (SS)
Raul Beracierta (OF)
Kevin Kaczmarski (OF)
Hansel Moreno (UTIL)
Edgardo Fermin (SS/2B)
Kevin Smith (LHP)
Daison Acosta (RHP)


The city signed an agreement Thursday that charts a path forward for development in Willets Point.

The de Blasio administration signed a letter of intent Thursday with a joint venture between the Related Cos. and Sterling Equities. The pact lays out a timeline for the development team to hash out the details on two potential scenarios drafted by a community task force for 17 acres to the east of Citi Field in Queens. One of the scenarios includes a hotel and soccer stadium, while the other is more traditional, presenting a mix focusing on housing and retail. In roughly a year, according to the letter, the city will decide which path to pursue and draft a final development agreement after soliciting public input.


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While working out a more granular plan for the mixed-use development scenario would be fairly straightforward, vetting plans for a soccer stadium would be more involved. Building an arena would require the developers to secure a letter of intent from a franchise, according to Glen. The team would likely be newly created within the United Soccer League, an organization with nearly 40 squads that play in smaller stadiums than Major League Soccer, a league that counts New York City Football Club among its members. While the task force recommended a stadium of up to 25,000 seats, the developers envision a facility with up to 15,000 seats, according to the city.


One calls for a soccer stadium of up to 25,000 seats, according to the documents. Parking for the venue would be shared with Citi Field. In addition, the plan calls for retail, open space, a school, new police and fire stations and a residential building.

The second scenario follows a more typical mixed-use format that would produce six blocks of residential development, retail, open space, a high school and a fire station along with a health center.

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I guess my point is the mets have not had a teenager  
bhill410 : 2/8/2019 1:50 pm : link
light up the minors, hence no crazy jumps. I am rather high on Veintos, but even for those who dont think he will realize it, he is probably the highest ceiling teenage bat we have had via draft (Outside of Kelenic grrrrrrr) in the last 20 years.

Listen is he likely to crush it with no growing pains - no, but if he does they will push him forward at the end of June regardless of his defensive prowess. They simply dont hold back mature bats becuase of defensive concerns, teams hope they can get taht straightened out in the high minors while they salivate over the offensive potential.
Nightengale  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 1:51 pm : link
Devin Mesoraco will earn $1.75 million if he makes #Mets roster and can earn total of $2 million if he plays 100 games.


Why is this notable? Because... Mesoraco at 1.75 million + releasing TDA would save the Mets the Mets roughly 2 million dollars which might help bring in a Buchholz.


I'd certainly take Mesoraco + Buchholz (and say + 1-2 million) over just TDA.
Dan if he is batting 315/390/950  
bhill410 : 2/8/2019 1:52 pm : link
on June 15th but also leads the league in errors, do you really think they wouldnt push him forward?
So TDA has zero  
pjcas18 : 2/8/2019 1:56 pm : link
trade value?

With the dearth of caching in MLB, I wonder if maybe he'd be able to get a BP arm.

either way I agree, Mesoraco + Buchholz > TDA
RE: Dan if he is batting 315/390/950  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14291019 bhill410 said:
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on June 15th but also leads the league in errors, do you really think they wouldnt push him forward?


.950 slugging? I mean you're asking a question that all due respect is absurd. The league leader in major league baseball slugged .640. So if you're point is he's out of this world amazing then sure. But if he did that he'd be the top prospect in all of baseball sight unseen. Joey Gallo has 80 power and highest he ever slugged was .660. The league leader in the SAL slugged .579.
Point  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 1:59 pm : link
is he can hit very well for 1/2 a season and they will almost certainly leave him in Savannah. Not to mention he's a Florida kid with some maturity concerns in the past. Highly doubt they want him in Florida before they have to. If he hits like a top 10 prospect in baseball that obviously changes time lines. That would be true of 100% of players in any system however.
Fully  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 2:01 pm : link
acknowledging he may be awful but the case for Clay-
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Phillies  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 2:05 pm : link
may have to can Kapler, this is getting ugly
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Dan  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 2:26 pm : link
I'm not saying you're wrong or that you dislike Vientos. And by the way, I don't recall the conversation about Harper that we might have had a while back, so if I said the meeting wasn't BS and it was BS, then I will gracefully offer my apologies. But we both probably don't know for sure. I'm guessing it was just a meeting with Boras that was spun such a way.

As for these hypotheticals I throw out there, I do so as a reminder that there are things we cannot know, and to contextualize when you're making your analysis. You do provide a lot of evidence in your posts that support your theory of the case. But you also ignore outliers.

The issue i have with your arguments sometimes, is that you speak with an authority, a degree of certainty, that you or anyone outside the Mets organization do not have the knowledge to possess.

So using your collection of players you identified, and inserting them into the following logic you developed:

1. Teenage Player is drafted in season X
2. Teenage Player in season X+1 skips Rookie Ball and Begins in low A
3. Teenage Player in season X+! is promoted from low A to High A in season x+1

You're saying there are only 2 instances you can think of. Lastings Milledge and Tejada. The problem with your analysis is that there have been so few high school bats drafted in the top 10 rounds in the last 10 years. Lets review:

Year Player Pos RD
2008 Javier Rodrqiuez OF 4 Non Prospect
2009 Darrell Cecliani OF 3 Non Prospect
2011 Brandon Nimmo OF 1 Prospect
2012 Gavin Cecchini IF 1 Prospect
2012 Brandon Kaupe 2B 4 Non Prospect
2012 Tomas Nido C 8 Non Prospect
2013 Dominic Smith 1B 1 Prospect
2013 Luis Guillmore SS 10 Non Prospect
2014 Milton Ramos SS 2 Non Prospect
2014 Dash Winningham 1B 8 Non Prospect
2015 Desmond Lindsay OF 2 Prospect
2017 Mark Vientos 3B 2 Prospect

That's 12 players. Most of who were non-prospects, or not elite prospects.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that you speak to - the maybe 10/20% chance of this achievement - as almost a certainty to not happen.

I think in your writing style, you leave little wiggle room for what could be possible. And data is so small that your theories aren't demonstrable truths.
Sorry meant that as OPS  
bhill410 : 2/8/2019 2:34 pm : link
Yea not saying anyone is slugging that anytime soon.
TDA has zero value bc he is never healthy & FA's are available cheaper  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2019 2:46 pm : link
like Mesoraco. At this point I think it's fairly obvious they traded Plawecki over TDA purely bc he had value and TDA didn't. They are bringing TDA to camp bc there's very little reason not to. Someone could get hurt, etc. Had his full salary been guaranteed he likely wouldn't have even been tendered.

Whether he makes it through camp or not, who knows, because Dan's math is 100% accurate and every team including the Mets would probably agree with it. Mesoraco (or similar player) + a few million to spend on one of the many pitchers still available is a much better use of resources than rehabbing TDA and having him occupy a spot on the 40 man.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 2:48 pm : link
was curious, the highest slugging% ever posted (that I can find) was that legendary 72 homer season by Joe Bauman

.400/.535/.916, at 32 years old lol

But also before my time I think I found the greatest minor league season I've ever seen 1978 Gary Redus .462/.559/.787, 17 homers 42/48 SB's, 62 walks 31 k's.. WTF
Mets sign Danny Espinosa  
ZGiants98 : 2/8/2019 2:51 pm : link
Minor league deal.
do we need anymore 2nd baseman?  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 2:55 pm : link
?
Theoretically  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 2:58 pm : link
Espinosa can be viewed as SS depth (they aren't going to rush up Gimenez if Rosario gets hurt) and Lowrie is really poor by the numbers at SS but this doesn't speak well to their thoughts on Guillorme.
Guillmore is nothing special  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 3:00 pm : link
and never really was. He is a poor poor man's rey ordonez, and ordonez was not exactly a great player
I just really donít think we are at a point  
ZGiants98 : 2/8/2019 3:01 pm : link
Where we are trying to shed 2 million to put that towards X. There likely is still money available for smaller type additions so if we arenít in on a guy like Bucholtz (who I like) itís probably because Eilland feels Vargas turned it around in the second half and is just as worthy of a gamble as many other options out there. Not saying itís right or wrong... just think thereís more to it than ďmoneyĒ.

Same thing with the pen. You have 6 spots close to a lock if Dowdy shows anything in the spring so that leaves one spot (Avilan has actually been a good Loogy over the last few years and is only 29) so if you want him that makes 7. That leaves no room for any surprises from the non roster guys, none of the younger AAA arms to impress. All thatís fine, but there isnít a lot of room and the season is so long you might want to leave a spot or two to fudge with.
Syracuse  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:02 pm : link
has likely Dilson Herrera, Espinosa, Guillorme, (Gimenez reportedly is opening in Bing) David Thompson, Alcantara... Alonso will be the 1b to open. Guess Dom in LF... Tebow lol in RF
don't forget  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 3:03 pm : link
Rajai Davis and Gregor Blanco
RE: I just really donít think we are at a point  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14291093 ZGiants98 said:
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Where we are trying to shed 2 million to put that towards X. There likely is still money available for smaller type additions so if we arenít in on a guy like Bucholtz (who I like) itís probably because Eilland feels Vargas turned it around in the second half and is just as worthy of a gamble as many other options out there. Not saying itís right or wrong... just think thereís more to it than ďmoneyĒ.

Same thing with the pen. You have 6 spots close to a lock if Dowdy shows anything in the spring so that leaves one spot (Avilan has actually been a good Loogy over the last few years and is only 29) so if you want him that makes 7. That leaves no room for any surprises from the non roster guys, none of the younger AAA arms to impress. All thatís fine, but there isnít a lot of room and the season is so long you might want to leave a spot or two to fudge with.


Eiland had Vargas second half in KC 2017 (awful) and first half this year too so for a full year he didn't "turn it around". The narrative was Eiland would fix him and through 12 starts he had an... 8.75 era. To rely on him is wacko.
and  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 3:04 pm : link
Mesoraco.

roster could be a collection of the worst ML players of the last half decade.
RE: don't forget  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14291096 CMicks3110 said:
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Rajai Davis and Gregor Blanco


Rajai has an opt out and will likely use it if he doesn't make the team. Liriano can opt out to Asia as well. Blanco has a 6/1 opt out.
Gimenez  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:06 pm : link
does not need to be added to the 40 man until post 2020 season so you won't see him in 2019 unless he's incredible. They won't just bring him up for a week or 2 or a random Sept callup.
agree  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 3:08 pm : link
Gimenez will not be up, unless there is a major injury to Rosario
RE: agree  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14291105 CMicks3110 said:
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Gimenez will not be up, unless there is a major injury to Rosario


I'm not saying there is "no chance" but he's not MLB "depth" or bench help or a guy they call up if Rosario or Cano goes the DL for 2 weeks, er sorry "IL". Because he doesn't need to be added it'll take a major injury or him really mashing to the point they can't resist. Otherwise ST 2020 is when he gets his shot (if hes still here) or Rosario isn't moved.
Dan  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 3:13 pm : link
if Gimenez is a trade chip, what caliber of player do you think he could return us? If he gets off to a good start this year.
RE: RE: I just really donít think we are at a point  
ZGiants98 : 2/8/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14291097 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14291093 ZGiants98 said:


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Where we are trying to shed 2 million to put that towards X. There likely is still money available for smaller type additions so if we arenít in on a guy like Bucholtz (who I like) itís probably because Eilland feels Vargas turned it around in the second half and is just as worthy of a gamble as many other options out there. Not saying itís right or wrong... just think thereís more to it than ďmoneyĒ.

Same thing with the pen. You have 6 spots close to a lock if Dowdy shows anything in the spring so that leaves one spot (Avilan has actually been a good Loogy over the last few years and is only 29) so if you want him that makes 7. That leaves no room for any surprises from the non roster guys, none of the younger AAA arms to impress. All thatís fine, but there isnít a lot of room and the season is so long you might want to leave a spot or two to fudge with.



Eiland had Vargas second half in KC 2017 (awful) and first half this year too so for a full year he didn't "turn it around". The narrative was Eiland would fix him and through 12 starts he had an... 8.75 era. To rely on him is wacko.


Not trying to argue that but Vargas gave up 8 runs without retiring an out which blew his early season numbers up. He got lit up like a Christmas tree over his first 3-4 starts. 5th start through the end of the years heís right at career averages (4.4ish ERA). Second half his era is in the 3s. I actually donít even think Eilland helped him... more likely Vargas just finally settled in. Early he was coming off an injury, no ST, pitched in front of a net for a quick rehab, they skipped starts, it was really odd.

To be clear Iím not a Vargas fan. If we can upgrade? Great. Just trying to think through their logic.
Espinosa  
pjcas18 : 2/8/2019 3:16 pm : link
should be on the team for his mustache.

if this is an indication of what a playoff beard could look like for him, get him on the team, have him be the bullpen catcher


RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14291112 CMicks3110 said:
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if Gimenez is a trade chip, what caliber of player do you think he could return us? If he gets off to a good start this year.


Really depends almost fully how he looks vs. upper level pitching. There is a perception he's "limited" physically but at times he has shown an ability to drive the ball (that being said Guillorme at times has too). Gimenez was "okay" in Bing in his first look, ugly AFL so his stock is likely "somewhat" down.

But that means nothing in the sense if he hits in Bing he's a top 5ish SS prospect in baseball. If he doesn't hit then obviously his trade value is very limited. Good glove, doesn't hit no longer really plays. If he hits he likely can headline a "major" deal (along with other talent).
Right now his value wouldn't really be enough for it to make sense. He's a top 40ish prospect in the game. Phillies had to add a good young catcher and a 3rd piece a top 15-ish prospect in the game for good, not amazing Realmuto.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:20 pm : link
going down the Vargas path again but first 12 starts he pitched more than 5 innings... 0 times... 0. So this isn't "one bad start", he reached the 5th inning 5/12 starts...
RE: Syracuse  
ZGiants98 : 2/8/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14291095 DanMetroMan said:
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has likely Dilson Herrera, Espinosa, Guillorme, (Gimenez reportedly is opening in Bing) David Thompson, Alcantara... Alonso will be the 1b to open. Guess Dom in LF... Tebow lol in RF


I could see JD Davis there too at 3B to start. I hope thatís what they do to get him some consistent atbats. Iíd rather see TJ Rivera and Dom on the bench in the minors for a few weeks until we know Davis and Alonso are 100% ready.
Thats  
ZGiants98 : 2/8/2019 3:21 pm : link
ďMajorsĒ
Not  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 3:24 pm : link
shitting on Gimenez at all but I didn't recall he showed so little power in AA, such a small sample size but the idea he was headed to Syracuse seems silly anyway.
Gimenez ultimate upside is likely  
CMicks3110 : 2/8/2019 4:10 pm : link
a poor man's Rafael Furcal in my opinion. If he can maintain an OPS of around .750 with stellar defense, that's a good player. Rosario's offensive upside should be considerably higher, whether he reaches it is anyone's guess.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 4:34 pm : link
Sounds like no DL in the NL for at least the next 3 seasons.
RE: .  
Metnut : 2/8/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14291171 DanMetroMan said:
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Sounds like no DL in the NL for at least the next 3 seasons.


So the Mets will have to keep all of their injured guys on the 25? That's crazy Dan!
RE: RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 2/8/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14291204 Metnut said:
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In comment 14291171 DanMetroMan said:


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Sounds like no DL in the NL for at least the next 3 seasons.



So the Mets will have to keep all of their injured guys on the 25? That's crazy Dan!


haha DH
Itís absolutely crazy for mlb  
bhill410 : 2/8/2019 5:08 pm : link
To give up that bargaining chip pre cba
A good friend of mine who is also a Mets fan had the idea that BVW  
Ira : 2/8/2019 5:14 pm : link
was aware of what we more recently heard - that the DH rule is coming to the NL and that factored into his trading for Cano.
RE: A good friend of mine who is also a Mets fan had the idea that BVW  
pjcas18 : 2/9/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14291212 Ira said:
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was aware of what we more recently heard - that the DH rule is coming to the NL and that factored into his trading for Cano.


I read it's at least 3 years away, he'd look like a genius if it happened, especially sooner and it gave the Mets a way to get Alonso, Cano, McNeil and Lowrie in the lineup at the same time (assuming they were all playing well), but I think there is a better chance it is a coincidence.

And it's still not done, I'll believe it when I see it.
I have said it on a couple threads  
bhill410 : 2/9/2019 3:30 pm : link
But the universal DH is the best carrot MLB can give to appease the players. There is no way that is done before conclusion of cba
RE: A good friend of mine who is also a Mets fan had the idea that BVW  
DanMetroMan : 2/9/2019 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14291212 Ira said:
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was aware of what we more recently heard - that the DH rule is coming to the NL and that factored into his trading for Cano.


Doubtful. Manfred said it won't be happening in 2019 and likely won't until post 2021.
Ahhhhhhhh  
Shecky : 2/9/2019 8:12 pm : link
The absolute GREATEST time of the year for baseball!!!! Love it, letís get rolling.
Sickels put his top 100  
Metnut : 2/11/2019 12:14 pm : link
prospects up on the Athletic today.

Alonso #48
Giminez #51
Kelenic #67
JD Davis is growing on me  
Shecky : 2/11/2019 1:46 pm : link
Same way Murphy did when he was coming up through the system. He is very serious about the game, and I love those types.
RE: JD Davis is growing on me  
Eric on Li : 2/11/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14293397 Shecky said:
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Same way Murphy did when he was coming up through the system. He is very serious about the game, and I love those types.


I love the creativity acquiring that type of guy. Basically other teams pre-2018 Brandon Nimmo's. My only confusion with the pickup is that those types kind of need regular MLB at bats to take the next step and I'm not positive where those are going to come from for him. Hopefully they let him start over Frazier at 1B while Alonso is in the minors.
Horrendous  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 2:47 pm : link
Andrew Church attempting a comeback per Jacob Resnick

2017 +2018 he pitched 201 innings and allowed 254 hits walking 41.. only 1 start in the PCL so there wasn't THAT excuse

-Cameron Planck not yet retiring despite rumors to the contrary claims he's healthy. 1 million dollars spent.. .2 innings thrown so far.. drafted in 2016, yeesh
One thing thatís hard to remember as fans  
Shecky : 2/11/2019 3:09 pm : link
These guys are literally like you and I. Normal, everyday people. Think about some people youíve worked with throughout your life, or went to school with. Some people are obsessed, live and breath X. They donít WANT it, they will not accept failure. They donít just want to achieve making it there, they view getting there as step one not the destination.

Planck is a really, really good dude. Talented dude. But I donít think he HAS to have it. Start a family, and be happy is something more important to a lot more players than youíd ever imagine.
RE: Sickels put his top 100  
Mike in NY : 2/11/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14293267 Metnut said:
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prospects up on the Athletic today.

Alonso #48
Giminez #51
Kelenic #67


Happy for John that he found another place to go as he is a really nice guy even when we have disagreed about rankings. Disappointed that I am going to have to pay to continue reading him.
Way  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2019 4:07 pm : link
too many IF for Syracuse. I wonder what happens there. I suspect some will be released and some AAA. I mean where does Cecchini play now? Tough to identify.
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