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DanMetroMan : 2/4/2019 9:11 am
- Cecchini cleared waivers (yikes to his value around the league).

-NYFS top 50
Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"

If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 30% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.

*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
*Drew Smith is ineligible
*Tyler Bashlor is ineligible

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
4) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
5) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
6) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
7) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
8 ) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
10) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
11) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
12) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
13) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
14) Dez Lindsay (OF) 7/18-39%
15) Tony Dibrell (RHP) 9/23-39%
16) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 7/21-33%, Run-off with Nido 18/24-75%
17) Junior Santos (RHP) 6/28-21%, Run-off with Nido 11/20-55%
18) Tomas Nido (C) 10/23-43%
19) Luis Guillorme (SS) 9/24-38%
20) Adrian Hernandez 6/26-23%, run-off with Wahl/Cortes 8/15-53%
21) Carlos Cortes (2b) 8/21-38%
22) Steven Villines (RHP) 4/16 25%, Run-off with Thompson/Wahl 9/23-39%
23) David Thompson (3b) 8/23-35%
24) Ali Sanchez (C) 9/17-53%
25) Eric Hanhold (RHP) 7/21-33%, run-off 7/20-35%
26) Luis Carpio (IF) 4/18-22%, runoff with Uriarte 9/14-64%
27) Stanley Consuegra (OF) 4/20-20%, runoff with Uriarte/Valdez 6/17-35%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
28) Juan Uriarte (C) 4/19-21%
29) Freddy Valdez (OF) 7/17-41%
30) Daniel Zamora (LHP) 3/17-18%, run-off with Montes De Oca 10/12-83%
31) Jaylen Palmer (??) 3/12-25%, run-off with Montes de Oca/Vilera 9/16-56%
32) Ryley Gilliam (RHP) 5/22-23%, run-off with Manea 8/16-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
33) Matt Winaker (OF) 4/22-18
34) Kyle Dowdy (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Vilera 9/12-75%
35) Jaison Vilera (RHP) 6/17-35%
36) Jose Miguel Medina(OF) 6/17-24%
37) Jeremy Vasquez (1b) 3/18-17% run-off with MDO/Manea/Viall 3/7-43%
38) Patrick Mazeika (C) 4/13-31%
39) Walker Lockett (RHP) 5/13-38%
40) Sam Haggerty (UTIL) 7/11 64%
41) Chris Viall (RHP) 4/11 36%
42) Ryder Ryan (RHP) 8/13- 62%
43) Bryce Montes de Oca 6/19 32%
44) Christian James 6/17-35%
45) Joe Cavallaro 3/17-18%, run-off with Brodey 7/13-54%
46) Michael Paez (IF) 5/22-23%
47) David Marcano (RHP) 4/22-18%, run-off with Brody 7/12-58%
48) Quinn Brodey (OF) 5/23-22%, 9/13-69%
49) Jose Moreno (RHP) 4/23-17% run-off with Gonzalez 8/14-57%
50) Tim Tebow (OF) 8/33-24%, run-off with Gonzalez 17/27-63%

HM-
Yoel Romero (UTIL)
Gregory Guerrero (SS)
Raul Beracierta (OF)
Kevin Kaczmarski (OF)
Hansel Moreno (UTIL)
Edgardo Fermin (SS/2B)
Kevin Smith (LHP)
Daison Acosta (RHP)


The city signed an agreement Thursday that charts a path forward for development in Willets Point.

The de Blasio administration signed a letter of intent Thursday with a joint venture between the Related Cos. and Sterling Equities. The pact lays out a timeline for the development team to hash out the details on two potential scenarios drafted by a community task force for 17 acres to the east of Citi Field in Queens. One of the scenarios includes a hotel and soccer stadium, while the other is more traditional, presenting a mix focusing on housing and retail. In roughly a year, according to the letter, the city will decide which path to pursue and draft a final development agreement after soliciting public input.


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While working out a more granular plan for the mixed-use development scenario would be fairly straightforward, vetting plans for a soccer stadium would be more involved. Building an arena would require the developers to secure a letter of intent from a franchise, according to Glen. The team would likely be newly created within the United Soccer League, an organization with nearly 40 squads that play in smaller stadiums than Major League Soccer, a league that counts New York City Football Club among its members. While the task force recommended a stadium of up to 25,000 seats, the developers envision a facility with up to 15,000 seats, according to the city.


One calls for a soccer stadium of up to 25,000 seats, according to the documents. Parking for the venue would be shared with Citi Field. In addition, the plan calls for retail, open space, a school, new police and fire stations and a residential building.

The second scenario follows a more typical mixed-use format that would produce six blocks of residential development, retail, open space, a high school and a fire station along with a health center.

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ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:13 pm : link
BVW on Cespedes: our expectation is that he can make progress everyday. We just want to make sure we arent taxing him too soon, and that hes 100 percent healthy when he comes back, whenever that day is.
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ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:13 pm : link
Matt Ehalt

@MattEhalt
Can Mets add a player on a majors deal? BVW: I dont think we have any restrictions about what we can or cant do. I think its more about how we fit the guys on the roster that we have. Were deep, weve got more than 25 guys that are capable or deserving to break camp."
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moze1021 : 2/4/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14287136 ZGiants98 said:
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Mike Puma

@NYPost_Mets
Brodie Van Wagenen: "Hopefully the fans recognize we did make a big offseason splash. We just spread it around."


LOL

By definition you can not make a big splash by spreading things around. That makes a lot of little splashes.

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moze1021 : 2/4/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14287142 ZGiants98 said:
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Matt Ehalt

@MattEhalt
Can Mets add a player on a majors deal? BVW: I dont think we have any restrictions about what we can or cant do. I think its more about how we fit the guys on the roster that we have. Were deep, weve got more than 25 guys that are capable or deserving to break camp."


Oh so we are back with this disingenuous bullshit??

I'm so sick and tired of it.
Sounds like they might be done exploring SP options.  
ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:15 pm : link
Matt Ehalt

@MattEhalt
Brodie on rotation/Vargas: "There are very few fifth starters around the league that have his pedigree. He finished last year with a really great and strong finish. ...We feel good about Vargas. We think Lugo and Gsellman are both rotation options if we need to go to them."
That is a good writeup  
speedywheels : 2/4/2019 3:16 pm : link
However, I have an issue with the statement that the payments to Bonilla/Strwberry/Saberhagen prevents the team from taking a flyer on Shelby Miller, etc.

As noted, they have about 20 million to go before hitting the luxury tax, so there really is no reason not to spend up to the limit. I'm not suggesting to spend for spend's sake, but they should continue to try and upgrade
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ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:16 pm : link
When asked again about Jason Vargas, Brodie said his competitiveness drove him to come back earlier than he should have from the come backer that hit him in spring training, but once he had his feet underneath him, we saw what Jason Vargas can really be.
RE: Sounds like they might be done exploring SP options.  
speedywheels : 2/4/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14287148 ZGiants98 said:
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Matt Ehalt

@MattEhalt
Brodie on rotation/Vargas: "There are very few fifth starters around the league that have his pedigree. He finished last year with a really great and strong finish. ...We feel good about Vargas. We think Lugo and Gsellman are both rotation options if we need to go to them."


So I guess they will pass on Gio...
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Eric on Li : 2/4/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14287136 ZGiants98 said:
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Mike Puma

@NYPost_Mets
Brodie Van Wagenen: "Hopefully the fans recognize we did make a big offseason splash. We just spread it around."


What fans recognize right now is irrelevant. If they make the playoffs the fans will recognize. That's the only thing that matters this year.
RE: RE: Sounds like they might be done exploring SP options.  
ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14287156 speedywheels said:
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In comment 14287148 ZGiants98 said:


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Matt Ehalt

@MattEhalt
Brodie on rotation/Vargas: "There are very few fifth starters around the league that have his pedigree. He finished last year with a really great and strong finish. ...We feel good about Vargas. We think Lugo and Gsellman are both rotation options if we need to go to them."



So I guess they will pass on Gio...


Yeah... sounds like it the way they are puffing up Vargas.
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ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14287161 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14287136 ZGiants98 said:


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Mike Puma

@NYPost_Mets
Brodie Van Wagenen: "Hopefully the fans recognize we did make a big offseason splash. We just spread it around."



What fans recognize right now is irrelevant. If they make the playoffs the fans will recognize. That's the only thing that matters this year.


Agreed. The lineup is still going to be fairly young though so we do need guys to start realizing their potential simultaneously to what was added for this to happen and there's nothing you can really do there. I do think guys like Rosario, McNeil, and Alonso are going to play big parts in this team this year though.
Get Gio and call it a day  
Vanzetti : 2/4/2019 3:24 pm : link
Vargas then becomes #6. Huge upgrade over Flexen, Gagnon, Conlon etc

Mets must have been close to ten games under.500 in games started by backup starters. Plus those guys negatively impact subsequent games when they get knocked out in the third inning and force Mi key to burn the pen

Getting Gio would have a ripple effect and put Mets close to a 90 win team
moze trigger incoming: lol  
ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:24 pm : link
@NYPost_Mets
Brodie: "Sports, in general, should be about putting the best product on the field and trying to compete every day. Certainly we do that here."
RE: Get Gio and call it a day  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2019 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14287171 Vanzetti said:
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Vargas then becomes #6. Huge upgrade over Flexen, Gagnon, Conlon etc

Mets must have been close to ten games under.500 in games started by backup starters. Plus those guys negatively impact subsequent games when they get knocked out in the third inning and force Mi key to burn the pen

Getting Gio would have a ripple effect and put Mets close to a 90 win team


I agree. Almost all the projections and sports books have the mets between 84-88 wins and 2nd or 3rd in the division. Go all out on the pitching depth since it's there for the taking. Quite frankly there's nothing that indicates Gio wouldn't be an upgrade on Matz as well as Vargas. His 2017 season wasn't far off Wheeler too.
I think Warren is probably a steal at this point too  
ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:43 pm : link
and he's going to get some ridiculous cheap deal we are all going to get pissed about. lol. Add Gio and Warren for around 10-11 million total?

deGrom, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Matz, Gio
Diaz, Familia, Lugo, Wilson, Gsellman, Warren, Vargas

After week 3:

Nimmo
Lowrie
Cano
Conforto
Ramos
McNeil
Alonso
Rosario

Lagares, Broxton, Frazier, JD Davis, TDA

That's a loaded ass team with huge potential for even more in the second half.
Another guy who wouldn't hurt is Maldonado as backup C  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2019 3:50 pm : link
if there's any guy who can help slow down down the running game when Thor pitches especially it's him. According to statcast his throwing velocity was 3rd best in baseball last year (5 mph faster than Nido for comparison) and his pop time was also real good. Threw out 50% of runners. Probably wouldn't even cost more than just cutting TDA in camp.
It really just depends on if they are believers  
ZGiants98 : 2/4/2019 3:51 pm : link
in TDA in a lesser role or not. If they do, they arent going to sign Maldonado because they cant keep both on the roster. Do they believe TDA offers more upside? I think they could certainly make a case. Might not be the right choice but if you squint you can see the logic.
sure if he's healthy. When has that ever happened?  
Eric on Li : 2/4/2019 3:54 pm : link
he's still rehabbing right now and I believe Shecky said he won't be on the od roster. Who knows how he will throw after TJS. If the money is similar i'd go healthy player over chronically injured player almost every time.
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Metnut : 2/4/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14287161 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14287136 ZGiants98 said:


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Mike Puma

@NYPost_Mets
Brodie Van Wagenen: "Hopefully the fans recognize we did make a big offseason splash. We just spread it around."



What fans recognize right now is irrelevant. If they make the playoffs the fans will recognize. That's the only thing that matters this year.


Exactly. Whether fans like the offseason or each individual move or not is completely not relevant. It's the results that matter. Two winnings seasons in 9 years isn't acceptable. Time to kick some ass this year and bring a consistent winner to Queens.
RE: moze trigger incoming: lol  
moze1021 : 2/4/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14287172 ZGiants98 said:
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@NYPost_Mets
Brodie: "Sports, in general, should be about putting the best product on the field and trying to compete every day. Certainly we do that here."


LOL. How can he lie like that!?

At 10:05 AM today I said the following in the MLB thread

"The Mets, for example, have been pushing this narrative that they have been trying to win and put the best product on the field possible. That hasn't been true since 2008... and still isn't this year.

It's the disingenuous messaging that really sucks, not the act itself. "

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Phillies  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:05 pm : link
making a late charge for Realmuto.
Davenport (Baseball Prospectus)  
ZGiants98 : 2/5/2019 3:51 pm : link
Has Mets winning 91 games.
RE: Phillies  
Eric on Li : 2/5/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14288181 DanMetroMan said:
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making a late charge for Realmuto.


If the price is the equivalent of what we were thinking with the LAD I wouldn't be devastated by that - especially if it's in lieu of Machado & Harper. Realmuto is a very good player, but he's going to be expensive to resign, gotta think he gets $100m even in this market.
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DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14288268 Eric on Li said:
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making a late charge for Realmuto.



If the price is the equivalent of what we were thinking with the LAD I wouldn't be devastated by that - especially if it's in lieu of Machado & Harper. Realmuto is a very good player, but he's going to be expensive to resign, gotta think he gets $100m even in this market.


Writers are saying Realmuto would be unrelated to their interest in the other 2. ie trying to add him AND one of them. Would make them the NLE favorites.
if they added both they'd definitely be at the top of the division  
Eric on Li : 2/5/2019 4:15 pm : link
still have a hard time making either them or Atlanta clear favorites over the Nats though bc of their pitching. Arrieta would need to turn the clock back or Dominguez would need to literally be the 2nd coming of Diaz. Also not in love with the fit for them with Robertson since he's a little prone to giving up homers.

I'd still rather the Phillies add Harper (even with Realmuto too) than have him go back to the Nats.
Good article from Sarris re: Conforto ($ the athletic)  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2019 9:30 am : link
TLDR = exit velocity recovered post all star break last year, pitch recognition has improved, plate coverage has improved, hopefully lineup around him improved. Was already a good player, at age 26 this may be the year he becomes a great player.

I'd say he's right and that Conforto is probably their best candidate to improve significantly and outperform the projections. Steamer has him at 3.1 war, his best season (2017) was 4.4, so it's easy to see a good amount of upside if he has his best year yet.
Sarris: This could be the year Michael Conforto becomes a superstar - ( New Window )
RE: Good article from Sarris re: Conforto ($ the athletic)  
Metnut : 2/6/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14288723 Eric on Li said:
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TLDR = exit velocity recovered post all star break last year, pitch recognition has improved, plate coverage has improved, hopefully lineup around him improved. Was already a good player, at age 26 this may be the year he becomes a great player.

I'd say he's right and that Conforto is probably their best candidate to improve significantly and outperform the projections. Steamer has him at 3.1 war, his best season (2017) was 4.4, so it's easy to see a good amount of upside if he has his best year yet. Sarris: This could be the year Michael Conforto becomes a superstar - ( New Window )


I think Sarris is my favorite baseball writer around. Praise from him is something we should take seriously. Conforto did look great in the second half last year. Excited to see what he can do this year.

Can't wait till camp starts. Offseason stresses me out more than the baseball games sometimes. Been so much talk this year about the GM search, Wilpon spending, offseason moves, etc., really just want to start focusing on baseball games and our players. Not sure I can handle another year where the season is over before the all-star break.
yea if they tank pre ASB it will be bad  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2019 9:56 am : link
I don't think they will though because this is the most complete team they've entered a season with in a while. I think they will need to make moves in-season to win the division, but should be competitive for a wild card as is. the 3 questions to me are:

1. can the sp stay healthy? Need at least 2 of the top 3.
2. can Cano or Conforto (or someone else) be "the guy" and put themselves in the MVP conversation. Need 1.
3. can Mickey handle the playing time distribution. Even for an experienced manager this roster would be a tough jigsaw puzzle to get everyone PT.
Upside all around  
Shecky : 2/6/2019 9:59 am : link
Nimmo maintains,ast year,or another step forward
Conforto, as the article points out
Rosario has the most unrealized upside
Alonso could hit 40
Cano could repeat his half a season
Legares/Broxton could provide 4-5 wins without a lock of offense
Ces could return and put up 4-5 wins
Thor will be the games best pitcher

Flip side, is all the known downsides to this team. Could win 95. Could lose 95 lol
put together a list of in-season trade targets  
CMicks3110 : 2/6/2019 10:55 am : link
which would you guys be interested in:

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what players do you like on this list:

Andrelton Simmons SS Angels
Tyler Skaggs SP Angels
Andrew Heaney SP Angels
Keynan Middleton RP Angels
Marcus Semien SS Athletics
Dustin Fowler CF Athletics
Mike Fiers SP Athletics
Trevor Cahill SP Angels
Justin Smoak 1B Blue Jays
Marcus Stroman SP Blue Jays
Ken Giles RP Blue Jays
Kevin Pillar OF Blue Jays
Randal Grichuk OF Blue Jays
Marcell Ozuna OF Cardinals
Adam Wainwright SP Cardinals
Ben Zobrist IF Cubs
Cole Hamels SP Cubs
Kris Bryant 3B Cubs
Jose Quintana SP Cubs
Jon Lester SP Cubs
Steve Cishek RP Cubs
Steven Souza Jr. OF Diamondbacks
Zack Greinke SP DIamondbacks
Taijuan Walker SP Diamondbacks
Zack Godley SP DIamondbacks
Robbie Ray SP Diamondbacks
Archie Bradley RP DIamondbacks
Madison Bumgarner SP Giants
Evan Longoria 3B Giants
Will Smith RP GIants
Tony Watson RP Giants
Mark Melancon RP GIants
Jeff Samardzija SP GIants
Ryan Moronta RP Giants
Jason Kipnis IF/OF Indians
Trevor Bauer SP Indians
Leonys Martin OF Indians
Greg Allen OF Indians
Corey Klubper SP Indians
Brad Hand RP Indians
Carlos Carrasco SP Indians
Trevor Buaer SP Indians
Bradley Zimmer OF Indians
Mallex Smith OF Mariners
Lewis Brinson OF Marlins
Starlin Castro IF Marins
Trey Mancini OF Orioles
Dylan Bundy SP Orioles
Mychal Givens RP Orioles
Darren O'Day RP Orioles
Cedric Mullins OF Orioles
Matt Strahm RP Padres
Kirby Yates RP Padres
Francisco Mejia C Padres
Starlin Marte CF Pirates
Chris Archer SP Pirates
Francisco Liriano SP Piarates
Felipe Vazquez RP Pirates
Keone Kela RP Pirates
Jose Leclerc RP Rangers
Shelby Miller SP Rangers
Joey Gallo OF/DH Rangers
Drew Smyly . SP . Rangers
Daniel Murphy . 1B/2B Rockies
Nolan Arenado . 3B Rockies**extremely unlikely but contracts are coming up and you might want to make a Piazza like play.
Mike Trout . CF Angels**Same as Arenado
Bryan Shaw RP-Rockies
Billy Hamilton CF -Royals
Danny Duffy SP -Royals
Kelvin Herrera RP-WhiteSox
Bauer  
Shecky : 2/6/2019 11:02 am : link
And Trout
Those are my two
do you think there is any chance in the world  
CMicks3110 : 2/6/2019 11:07 am : link
that they could be made available, if those franchises are struggling. I wonder if an offer of Rosario, Conforto, and Mauricio would get Trout.
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DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14288876 CMicks3110 said:
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that they could be made available, if those franchises are struggling. I wonder if an offer of Rosario, Conforto, and Mauricio would get Trout.


Not even close to enough. Trout would bring back the biggest package of young talent in the history of MLB trades. The Mets could offer their top 5 best young players MLB/Minors and not have it be enough.
Conforto  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:10 am : link
Nimmo, Rosario, Thor and Alonso don't land you Mike Trout.
Trout  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:13 am : link
is 89th in the history of the sport in fWAR. Assuming a normal season from him he will pass guys like Gary Carter, Miguel Cabrera and Eddie Murray... in 2019. Ya know, 3 HOF or future HOFers.
Nats  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:14 am : link
sign Hellickson. Solid move. Quietly very decent in 2018. Reportedly the Mets spoke to him.
RE: Trout  
Metnut : 2/6/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14288886 DanMetroMan said:
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is 89th in the history of the sport in fWAR. Assuming a normal season from him he will pass guys like Gary Carter, Miguel Cabrera and Eddie Murray... in 2019. Ya know, 3 HOF or future HOFers.


He's really amazing. Might be a top 3 all-time player when it's all said and done. Hope he gets a chance to play on a good team one day.
Trout  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:26 am : link
is the best player I've ever seen play. Offensive alone, Bonds but we know the deal there. A-Rod is up there... but he too...
RE: Conforto  
pjcas18 : 2/6/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14288878 DanMetroMan said:
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Nimmo, Rosario, Thor and Alonso don't land you Mike Trout.


even if they did land you Mike Trout the Mets shouldn't make that trade, because if you do then you're the Angels with Mike Trout.

He's the best player in baseball and he's been to the playoffs less times than Michael Conforto and Conforto is younger. Obviously not comparing the two, just showing how trading your whole team for Trout doesn't make your team win.

Mets would be better off signing Harper than trading for Trout.
Simmons, Kluber, and Bumgarner are the guys i'd keep an eye on  
Eric on Li : 2/6/2019 11:53 am : link
If Rosario doesn't take a step forward, Simmons would be a gamechanger defensively while also upgrading the offense.

Kluber and Bumgarner could obviously take them from a big 2/3 to a big 3/4. If Wheeler doesn't pitch like he did in the 2nd half, that's a need. Or if someone gets hurt. Kluber and Bumgarner could both be the final "verlander" piece for a contending team and we've heard rumors that both have been available.

Relievers are tough to predict but virtually any contending team needs to trade for 1 at mid season.
Hellickson  
DanMetroMan : 2/6/2019 11:59 am : link
1.3 guaranteed? Damn. Great move for the Nats.
A lot of good on theathletic this week here's another re: 5th SP ($)  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2019 9:50 am : link
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Were not calling New Yorks starting depth a weakness; however, there is no place on the roster where the Mets can more affordably upgrade in our minds than here. A range of options on the free-agent market exists that would allow the Mets to simply fortify their depth or even turn the back end into a legitimate strength.

Gio Gonzlez, long a thorn in New Yorks side, is a year removed from finishing sixth in NL Cy Young voting. Ervin Santana finished seventh in the AL in 2017. Clay Buchholz posted a 2.01 ERA for Arizona in a bounceback year last season. All are available.

Alternatively, the Mets can roll the dice with what they have and make a bigger decision come July 31. They can see whether Vargas can indeed replicate his late-season success the struggles down the stretch of 2017 carried over, so why not the good times as well? and how often they need to tap into the depth behind him. They can see what arms come available on the trade market and how big a splash they need to make given the state of the division. Patience may only cost them a game or two in the first four months.

But in what figures to be one of baseballs most competitive divisions in 2019, a game or two in the first four months can haunt. This is a franchise that knows the value of one regular-season game in hindsight. The 2006 Mets could survive without starting depth. The 2007 Mets could not. There is a chance now to proactively fix what could become New Yorks biggest problem.

Also Pecota says 89-73 (tied with Nats at top of division) - so that's cool.
With Jason Vargas currently slated as the Mets fifth starter, should the team be looking for an upgrade? - ( New Window )
Heres the debate  
Shecky : 2/7/2019 9:55 am : link
5th starter is useless in the playoffs.
Do you spend the money on another 5th, when you can sign depth arms instead for much, much less?
Do you spend money elsewhere to build a better playoff team instead?

The debate is, it dont mean shit what you built if you dont MAKE the playoffs. Why is it a debate? The money guys say make the playoffs and go deep. The Sabre guys say MAKE the playoffs and then gamble. The baseball guys say the team needs to be built a certain way to win I. The playoffs...
RE: Heres the debate  
Metnut : 2/7/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14289655 Shecky said:
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5th starter is useless in the playoffs.
Do you spend the money on another 5th, when you can sign depth arms instead for much, much less?
Do you spend money elsewhere to build a better playoff team instead?

The debate is, it dont mean shit what you built if you dont MAKE the playoffs. Why is it a debate? The money guys say make the playoffs and go deep. The Sabre guys say MAKE the playoffs and then gamble. The baseball guys say the team needs to be built a certain way to win I. The playoffs...


We made the playoffs once since 2006. Twice since 2000. Making the playoffs for this organization is HUGE. Been a Met fan my whole life and sadly we're not the Yankees who can look ahead to the playoffs in February. We need to get there. If we can improve our odds of getting there by acquiring another arm, then they absolutely should.

Even if you want to count 2016 as a playoff year, that team lost in the play-in game. If we lose the division by a game or two and have to burn DeGrom (or lose the play-in game) because Oswalt started 2-3 games and got shelled, it'll be really frustrating.

NL East looks like a very competitive and tight division this year. By all means, the Mets look to be in the mix. I'd really love to sure up a potential weakness and improve our odds of finally getting back to the dance.
Man  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2019 10:09 am : link
Vargas was an unbelievably stupid move by Sandy. Vargas was coming off a great first half, the WORST 2nd half of any SP in baseball and was turning 35. How the fuck does that get you a 2 year deal at 16 million? Unbelievably bad and looked that way even at the time.
And there is the rub...  
Shecky : 2/7/2019 10:10 am : link
Fred is desperate to make the p,ayoffs.
But the numbers guys oook at a Gio and laugh that he would be the make or break difference in a playoff team or not. It is what it is.
Anything can happen, they may sign him, or anyone else for that matter. But at their number only at this point.
It's two weeks until pitchers  
pjcas18 : 2/7/2019 10:12 am : link
and catchers. Is there a point where the Mets get in on any of these guys?

Quote:

Jayson Stark
‏Verified account @jaysonst

Time for a Feb. 6 edition of the All-Unemployed Team!

1B - Marwin Gonzalez, 2B - Josh Harrison, SS - Manny Machado, 3B - Mike Moustakas.

LF - Gerardo Parra, CF - Adam Jones, RF - Bryce Harper

DH - Evan Gattis
C - Martin Maldonado

All-Unemployed Pitching Staff is next...!
10:16 AM - 6 Feb 2019


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Jayson Stark
‏Verified account @jaysonst
24h24 hours ago

Now the All-Unemployed Pitching Staff!

Rotation:
Dallas Keuchel
Gio Gonzalez
Ervin Santana
Jeremy Hellickson
James Shields

Closer - Craig Kimbrel
Opener- Sergio Romo
RHs - Ryan Madson, Brad Boxberger, Bud Norris, AJ Ramos, Tyler Clippard
LHs - Jake Diekman, Tony Sipp


Remove Hellickson obviously and I thought I read Boxberger signed with KC
Gimme  
DanMetroMan : 2/7/2019 10:30 am : link
Diekman or Madson + someone like Buchholz or Brett Anderson. Fuck Bud Norris.
Thats a halfway decent team actually  
Shecky : 2/7/2019 10:35 am : link
Yeah, Im pretty sure when Vargas signed, it was the rare time everyone here kinda scratched their heads a bit. The group here NEVER agrees on anything, so thats telling.
Eiland has to get some blame for Vargas - got to think they asked his  
Eric on Li : 2/7/2019 11:47 am : link
opinion considering he had just been his pitching coach for like 4 years in KC. 2 of those years he had been solid by back of the rotation standards, 2 of those years he sucked.

Btw to me Gio (or another SP) is just as much a hedge on Matz/Wheeler as he is on Vargas. In his worst year in 9 years last year he was still more productive than Matz overall and threw 20 more innings last year. In the postseason you need 3-4 SP. We are 1 injury away from having to start Vargas in a playoff game.

@Shecky, if they want to invest in other areas I have no issue with that. Had they signed Brach/Kelly + Blevins (or some combo like that) to 1 year deals hoping to build a deep enough BP to afford Gselleman or Lugo hedging the SP that would have been fine too.
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