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DanMetroMan : 2/4/2019 9:57 am
Jeremy Woo suggested a 3 way deal in which the Knicks would send Jordan or Matthews (plus 2 1st round picks) or Kanter, Knox and 1 first round pick to Boston for Irving who would then send Brown, Smart, Morris and "picks" to NO for Anthony Davis.


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i mean ingram, ball, and kuzma...  
Italianju : 2/4/2019 6:19 pm : link
are fine and still have upside. Its not the worst trade in the world, but i agree that it makes no sense to make the deal now for the pelicans. Just wait it out and see what happens with the draft picks. Zion would be way more valuable (and marketable) for them.
amin elhassan  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 6:28 pm : link
seems to think the knicks have a wink wink deal..
Been a while since we heard from Lavar  
Oscar : 2/4/2019 6:32 pm : link
Thought LeBron had him muzzled. Maybe the fact that heís talking is an indication that LeBron doesnít care anymore because Lonzo is effectively gone.
RE: amin elhassan  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14287392 nygiants16 said:
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seems to think the knicks have a wink wink deal..


with durant
RE: amin elhassan  
Strahan91 : 2/4/2019 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14287392 nygiants16 said:
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seems to think the knicks have a wink wink deal..

Got a link? Donít see anything on Twitter when I search
RE: RE: amin elhassan  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14287402 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14287392 nygiants16 said:


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seems to think the knicks have a wink wink deal..


Got a link? Donít see anything on Twitter when I search


http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25925888

just watch his face
Thanks  
Strahan91 : 2/4/2019 7:01 pm : link
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I love how much it pisses off Paul Pierce.  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2019 7:17 pm : link
Maybe KG and Ray Allen will join ESPN and save his broadcasting career.
RE: Meanwhile on the who gives a shit channel...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/4/2019 7:24 pm : link
In comment 14287380 adamg said:
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LaVar Ball tells ESPN that if Lonzo Ball is traded, he wants his son to go to Phoenix: ďWe want to be in LA. But if heís traded, I donít want Lonzo in New Orleans. Phoenix is the best fit for him. And I am going to speak it into existence.Ē


I hadn't heard from LaVar in a couple of months. I wish that streak had continued.
That look is amazing  
NoGainDayne : 2/4/2019 7:31 pm : link
definitely makes me feel better about the KP trade.
RE: Thanks  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14287420 Strahan91 said:
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he also did a show with jacoby replacing jalen where he says knicks basically consukted kd before trading kp
RE: I love how much it pisses off Paul Pierce.  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14287433 bceagle05 said:
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Maybe KG and Ray Allen will join ESPN and save his broadcasting career.


before the knicks game chauncey was laughing at him because when chauncey said kyrie is gone paul flipped out...

everytime pierce talks beadle can not stop laughing at him
RE: I love how much it pisses off Paul Pierce.  
Strahan91 : 2/4/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14287433 bceagle05 said:
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Maybe KG and Ray Allen will join ESPN and save his broadcasting career.

Nailed it!
RE: Why would the Knicks trade for Irving?  
djm : 2/4/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14287101 arniefez said:
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Because they're the Knicks and this is what they do and they didn't learn anything from trading for Anthony right before his free agency? At least they had a small excuse for that one know that all Anthony ever cared about was money and there was some CBA uncertainty. What's the excuse now?


Shut your pie hole or offer up something new
Kyrie is going nowhere before Thursday.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/4/2019 7:53 pm : link
.
RE: Kyrie is going nowhere before Thursday.  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14287468 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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it would be awesome if he was traded and at his press congerence he was asked if he was staying long term and basically said nope i am signing with the knicks
It's really looking like Durant and Kyrie?  
adamg : 2/4/2019 8:23 pm : link
Is this like the Lebron to LAL smoke?
Watching Bucks Nets.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/4/2019 8:44 pm : link
God, Giannis is a beast. He is going to win a lot of MVPs. Plural.
RE: It's really looking like Durant and Kyrie?  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14287484 adamg said:
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Is this like the Lebron to LAL smoke?


i think durant is thr guy knicks "know" they can get...

I think the costar is up in the air
RE: It's really looking like Durant and Kyrie?  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14287484 adamg said:
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Is this like the Lebron to LAL smoke?

Seems legit, though I'm sure it'll be a rollercoaster between now and July. I go back to AD's list - he knows he needs to play with a star if he wants a ring, and two of his four teams don't currently have one. Stars must be on their way to the Clippers and Knicks.
All things equal  
Carl in CT : 2/4/2019 8:53 pm : link
Kyrie or KL? To me itís a tougher call than some think here. If AD goes to LA, there is no room for KL.
RE: RE: It's really looking like Durant and Kyrie?  
Strahan91 : 2/4/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14287499 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14287484 adamg said:


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Is this like the Lebron to LAL smoke?



i think durant is thr guy knicks "know" they can get...

I think the costar is up in the air

This is how I feel although I do think there are reasons for optimism with Kyrie as well. The biggest one being Davisí surprising list of teams that includes the Knicks and not the Celtics. I donít think it happens without KD coming on but I think KD likely comes regardless.
RE: All things equal  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14287504 Carl in CT said:
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Kyrie or KL? To me itís a tougher call than some think here. If AD goes to LA, there is no room for KL.


leonard going to clippers or staying in toronto
Hahn tweeted a clip of Pierce doubting  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2019 9:40 pm : link
the KD/Kyrie to New York rumors and added a salt emoji. I want this to happen just so we can destroy the Sixers and Celtics.
am i crazy  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 9:55 pm : link
to think that i really do not want to trade all our youth for AD?

Especially if we get Zion id rather sign KD and Irving and keepthe our youth so when kd and irving get old we have a future stilll...

i am also nnot 100 percent sold on signing irving
RE: Hahn tweeted a clip of Pierce doubting  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14287546 bceagle05 said:
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the KD/Kyrie to New York rumors and added a salt emoji. I want this to happen just so we can destroy the Sixers and Celtics.


if they sign irving and durant, i am going opening night, i want the mavs opening night..

just so kp can see what hr stupidly walked away from
I know a buddy who knows a buddy  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/4/2019 10:04 pm : link
That is close to Kawhi. He's leaving Toronto.
RE: I know a buddy who knows a buddy  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14287553 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That is close to Kawhi. He's leaving Toronto.


i feel like he is a lock for clippers
RE: RE: Hahn tweeted a clip of Pierce doubting  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2019 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14287550 nygiants16 said:
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if they sign irving and durant, i am going opening night, i want the mavs opening night..

just so kp can see what hr stupidly walked away from


If that actually happened, would KP wanting out be the thing that made it possible, though? IOW, impossible if they hadn't traded him.
Outside of the top 5, the other free agents aren't really that  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/4/2019 10:11 pm : link
attractive. I don't want Butler and I don't think Leonard would even consider NY. As much as I am not sold on Kyrie, he's a big time scorer and clutch shot maker. We'd be nuts not to welcome him with open arms. If KD can convince Klay to come, well then that's another story.

First step is to get a top two pick first. I'd keep Zion and team him with KD + Kyrie with the rest of the youngsters. If we have the second pick, I think it'd still be attractive enough for Pelicans in a potential trade for AD. I don't know about trading every player we have now with all the picks for AD though. Looking at the rumored Lakers offer, I don't think we'd need to fork over everything for AD, especially if the Pelicans want to spite him.
I still don't blame Toronto for taking the chance.  
bceagle05 : 2/4/2019 10:13 pm : link
They had a ceiling with Lowry/Derozan - might as well give it a run with Kawhi and then rebuild after he leaves.
RE: RE: RE: Hahn tweeted a clip of Pierce doubting  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14287556 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14287550 nygiants16 said:


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if they sign irving and durant, i am going opening night, i want the mavs opening night..

just so kp can see what hr stupidly walked away from



If that actually happened, would KP wanting out be the thing that made it possible, though? IOW, impossible if they hadn't traded him.


it seems like the knicks were trading him no matter what...

I dont think he wanted out, i think him and his brother tried a power play and it failed...

Knicks were supposedly looking to create 2 max slots for months
So what was it? Attitude? Medical?  
Really : 2/4/2019 10:29 pm : link
Or they just knew they needed two slots to get KD and this was the only way?
RE: So what was it? Attitude? Medical?  
nygiants16 : 2/4/2019 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14287568 Really said:
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Or they just knew they needed two slots to get KD and this was the only way?


All of the above, in my opinion...

if they were happy with kp why worry about seeing what you can get for him?

One question for the resident cap experts  
NoGainDayne : 2/4/2019 11:28 pm : link
as these AD trade talks continue and I see the Lakers package. Let's say the Knicks offer this:

Kanter
L. Thomas
Knox
Frank
Robinson
4 first round picks

for

AD
D. Miller


Then we signed Durant. Instead of Kyrie what would our ability to sign say DeAndre Jordan, Wesley Matthews and / or Vonleh be?

I'm pretty sure due to my understanding of cap holds etc. we couldn't do AD, KD, Jordan and Matthews but there are also some confusing rules in there that I don't entirely understand.
without doing the math...  
Italianju : 2/5/2019 6:30 am : link
i would guess you would end up with like 20 mil in remaining capspace. We have like 78 now, durant and AD would eat up 65 or so. But you would subtract knox, frank, and robinson so thats like 10 mill or so. I mean im probably off some since i was just doing that off the top of my head, but im assuming its in the ball park.

I mean im guessing you could sign Jordan/Mathews if you wanted to, but im not sure that would be the best use of the money.

Cap holds dont really matter here because you would renounce jordan/mathews because their cap holds would be huge. That just means we couldnt go over the cap to resign them.
Random question.  
JustaDiscussion : 2/5/2019 7:16 am : link
Listening to certain radio hosts who don't seem to fully appreciate the nuance of the situation makes me wish I could sit them down and debate with them. An example of this is the interview Rothenberg had with Howard Beck. Neither seemed to want to consider that KP might not pan out to be an all NBA player or that the Knicks may make smart moves going forward even if they don't get KD and Kyrie.

Regardless, I kept hearing Rothenberg claim that if the Knicks signed someone like Jimmy Butler it would be a complete failure. I don't necessarily disagree, but I also feel like Butler is a better all around player than KP, personality issues aside. So my question to Rothenberg would have been, if signing Butler would be a failure, how come keeping KP wouldn't have been?

All that setup is my long and boring way of asking, were do you guys think KP falls in this list of free agents? In a hypothetical world where KP was suddenly available right now on the open market, I think I would be upset if the Knicks gave out max money to a guy coming off of injury, with personality questions and only 10 games of truly high level play.
Howard beck has ripped the knicks  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 7:26 am : link
constantly when it comes to the trade...

If kp was not 22 he would not come close to a max on the open market, even at 22 i would not max him, he is going to be out 20 months before he plays again...

RE: without doing the math...  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 7:44 am : link
In comment 14287606 Italianju said:
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i would guess you would end up with like 20 mil in remaining capspace. We have like 78 now, durant and AD would eat up 65 or so. But you would subtract knox, frank, and robinson so thats like 10 mill or so. I mean im probably off some since i was just doing that off the top of my head, but im assuming its in the ball park.

I mean im guessing you could sign Jordan/Mathews if you wanted to, but im not sure that would be the best use of the money.

Cap holds dont really matter here because you would renounce jordan/mathews because their cap holds would be huge. That just means we couldnt go over the cap to resign them.


If knicks did:

Lance, hezonja, knox, frank, mudiay, 2019 first, 2 mavs firsts, for ad...

you still have 70 million to sign to max with ability to get 74 if you release trier and dot
Is it me or does it seem like overall...  
Italianju : 2/5/2019 7:55 am : link
there hasnt been much trade deadline talk. I mean you have the AD stuff, but thats like it. I guess the deadline is still 2 days away, but still.

Personally dont expect the knicks to do much due to the salary restrictions. We need a team like BKN or the Clips or someone like that to want an upgrade. The top teams just dont ahve the salaries to make it work.
just to show how much money the knicks cleared  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 8:31 am : link
knicks have 74 million in cap space...

they can clear another 11 just by releasing lance, trier and dot
RE: Random question.  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 8:44 am : link
In comment 14287614 JustaDiscussion said:
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Listening to certain radio hosts who don't seem to fully appreciate the nuance of the situation makes me wish I could sit them down and debate with them. An example of this is the interview Rothenberg had with Howard Beck. Neither seemed to want to consider that KP might not pan out to be an all NBA player or that the Knicks may make smart moves going forward even if they don't get KD and Kyrie.

Regardless, I kept hearing Rothenberg claim that if the Knicks signed someone like Jimmy Butler it would be a complete failure. I don't necessarily disagree, but I also feel like Butler is a better all around player than KP, personality issues aside. So my question to Rothenberg would have been, if signing Butler would be a failure, how come keeping KP wouldn't have been?

All that setup is my long and boring way of asking, were do you guys think KP falls in this list of free agents? In a hypothetical world where KP was suddenly available right now on the open market, I think I would be upset if the Knicks gave out max money to a guy coming off of injury, with personality questions and only 10 games of truly high level play.

Itís just your average anti-Knick bias. When the Knicks had KP, the talking heads would talk about his inability to stay healthy due to his body type and that Knick fans overrated him and they said it was mostly projection. Now that heís gone, heís all of a sudden a superstar already? Given his personality, I could see him not panning out. He seems far more concerned with little things, less so basketball. Heíll probably be a model citizen in Dallas because they seem to have that sort of luck but here he mightíve been a disaster on a max deal
RE: just to show how much money the knicks cleared  
Steve in Greenwich : 2/5/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14287650 nygiants16 said:
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knicks have 74 million in cap space...

they can clear another 11 just by releasing lance, trier and dot


The $74 mil number is kind of phony though; it assumes Lance is already cut, Triers option is declined, Dotson is released and Knick's pick falls to 5th overall. Its the max amount of cap space they can get. Don't know how this will look formatting wise here, but this excel has the right breakdown of next years cap space. Dotson might not fit into the cap space if they get the first overall pick as the scenario below literally would give them 200 grand left in space if you replace two rookie min contracts with Durant and Irvings max. If they dont end up with the first pick overall though they can easily fit Dotson's cap figure into the fold.

Player 2019-2020
1 Kevin Knox $4,380,120.00
2 Frank Ntilikina $4,855,800.00
3 Mitchell Robinson $1,559,712.00
4 Allonzo Trier $3,551,100.00
5 Dennis Smith Jr $4,463,640.00
6 1st Rd Pick $8,120,700.00
7 2nd Rd Pick $896,885.00
8 Rookie Min $896,885.00
9 Rookie Min $896,885.00
10 Rookie Min $896,885.00
11 Rookie Min $896,885.00
12 Rookie Min $896,885.00
Lance Thomas Dead $1,000,000.00
Joakim Noah Dead $6,431,667.00
Projected Cap $109,000,000.00
Cost against cap $39,744,049.00
Available Cap Space $69,255,951.00

RE: just to show how much money the knicks cleared  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14287650 nygiants16 said:
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knicks have 74 million in cap space...

they can clear another 11 just by releasing lance, trier and dot


Well, they for sure should release Lance. The other two, no.
Anakim  
Carl in CT : 2/5/2019 8:52 am : link
Agree 100% they are worth their contract values. I believe though the point is that they could (if for some reason they had too). I agree it better be a good reason.
RE: Random question.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/5/2019 9:10 am : link
In comment 14287614 JustaDiscussion said:
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Listening to certain radio hosts who don't seem to fully appreciate the nuance of the situation makes me wish I could sit them down and debate with them. An example of this is the interview Rothenberg had with Howard Beck. Neither seemed to want to consider that KP might not pan out to be an all NBA player or that the Knicks may make smart moves going forward even if they don't get KD and Kyrie.

Regardless, I kept hearing Rothenberg claim that if the Knicks signed someone like Jimmy Butler it would be a complete failure. I don't necessarily disagree, but I also feel like Butler is a better all around player than KP, personality issues aside. So my question to Rothenberg would have been, if signing Butler would be a failure, how come keeping KP wouldn't have been?

All that setup is my long and boring way of asking, were do you guys think KP falls in this list of free agents? In a hypothetical world where KP was suddenly available right now on the open market, I think I would be upset if the Knicks gave out max money to a guy coming off of injury, with personality questions and only 10 games of truly high level play.


Rothenberg isn't rational. He goes off emotion.

The only way KP is worth a max deal is if that contract had lots of injury protection like the Embiid contract. Even the most optimistic KP fan can't say he's a clear cut max player on the same tier as KD or Davis. I think he's a #2 star, which I'd say Kyrie is as well.
the cap holds are meaningless  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 9:14 am : link
once you start signing guys
RE: Meanwhile on the who gives a shit channel...  
TheShade : 2/5/2019 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14287380 adamg said:
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LaVar Ball tells ESPN that if Lonzo Ball is traded, he wants his son to go to Phoenix: ďWe want to be in LA. But if heís traded, I donít want Lonzo in New Orleans. Phoenix is the best fit for him. And I am going to speak it into existence.Ē


How does he not realize that he has basically zero input as to where Lonzo will be traded to? I know he can be dumb most of the time (especially when he doesn't realize that the players in his JBA aren't getting paid), but he can't be that dumb. At this rate Lonzo won't be getting a 2nd contract if LaVar opens his mouth.

Whatever happened to all 3 of his sons playing for the Lakers?
Sounds like Kanter will be bought out  
Ssanders9816 : 2/6/2019 7:00 pm : link
No trade takers yet
I keep logging on to BBI to see what the Knicks are doing  
Del Shofner : 2/6/2019 7:34 pm : link
at the deadline - only to find ... nothing!
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