Jeremy Woo suggested a 3 way deal in which the Knicks would send Jordan or Matthews (plus 2 1st round picks) or Kanter, Knox and 1 first round pick to Boston for Irving who would then send Brown, Smart, Morris and "picks" to NO for Anthony Davis.
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To acquire one if the players the exact same cap space will allow them to acquire for nothing?
"Of course, there is the possibility that Irving might sign in New York this summer anyway, which is fair, but there are a number of advantages the Knicks would gain by acquiring him immediately. The primary reason is the value of owning Irvings Bird Rights, which they can only acquire via trade. That would allow New York to go over the salary cap when re-signing him this summer, allows them to offer him the most long-term money, and most importantly, puts their first superstar in play before free agency even begins."
To trade that away
To acquire one if the players the exact same cap space will allow them to acquire for nothing?
That's incorrect. They would be able to cover over their cap to sign him by acquiring his bird rights.
It only applies to Davis BECAUSE they have Irving. Can't have 2 players on your roster signed under the "Rose Rule". They could trade for Davis now but only if Irving were dealt.
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To trade that away
To acquire one if the players the exact same cap space will allow them to acquire for nothing?
That's incorrect. They would be able to cover over their cap to sign him by acquiring his bird rights.
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The leagues goal was to reward players operating under rookie-scale contracts who had signed a maximum salary extension but had outperformed the Tier 1 (25 percent) maximum salary slot.
If a player on his rookie contract accomplishes one of the following (1) earns All-NBA first-, second- or third-team honors twice, (2) is voted an NBA All-Star starter by the fans twice, or (3) named NBA MVP his salary slot will be eligible for the Tier 2 maximum salary (30 percent) when the extension begins in his fifth season.
Teams do have the right to negotiate the percentage of a max salary slot as long as it falls between 25 percent and 30 percent in the first year of the extension if the player reaches the criteria set forth above.
I didn't understand why people kept saying that either. All of these little "unknown" rules make it so complicated.
I get the feeling even the Knicks expect Davis to end up signing with the Lakers. His dad is clearly trying to push him to LAL.
Just have to be careful they don't do anything that can positively impact the clubhouse culture and therefore on-court performance.
The Suns mean business right now. Can't let our foot touch the gas here at all.
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on the Davis stuff, i couldnt remember why that was the case.
I didn't understand why people kept saying that either. All of these little "unknown" rules make it so complicated.
The other issue is that Kyrie and Davis both changed one of the clauses in their "Rose rule". If they didn't, then they'd be able to be on the same team
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dump Kanter the day after the deadline if he's not moved. He's getting more and more lippy.
Just have to be careful they don't do anything that can positively impact the clubhouse culture and therefore on-court performance.
The Suns mean business right now. Can't let our foot touch the gas here at all.
haha. Sadly they added 2 well regarded professionals plus DSJ who seems kind of shy/to himself in the KP deal.. damn you positive clubhouse additions!!
We cannot tradd for AD right now and have enough space for 2 max players. It would need to be after we sign 2 max players and 30 days after our first round pick if I am not mistaken.
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A SG who can't shoot. Sounds good.
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What am I missing? If there's interest, of course we'd trade him. Why not get something instead of nothing?
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If there are so many teams interested they SHOULD be able to get a 2nd or a young player who isn't playing much from one of these squads.
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What am I missing? If there's interest, of course we'd trade him. Why not get something instead of nothing?
Teams might only be offering salary swaps or worse, players with more years.
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What am I missing? If there's interest, of course we'd trade him. Why not get something instead of nothing?
Teams might only be offering salary swaps or worse, players with more years.
Well, yeah, but if teams want him, the Knicks have the leverage. They're the ones in the driver's seat. They can ask for draft picks or whatever they want.
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revisiting the Melo deal. Trading assets for a player that can sign in the offseason. They need to keep some of these younger players to develop. Can't just hope that vets will come and play for cheap.
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Or use those younger players/assets to add a player like Davis after the 2 max players are signed...
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That sounds so dumb. We give up assets for what exactly?
"Of course, there is the possibility that Irving might sign in New York this summer anyway, which is fair, but there are a number of advantages the Knicks would gain by acquiring him immediately. The primary reason is the value of owning Irvings Bird Rights, which they can only acquire via trade. That would allow New York to go over the salary cap when re-signing him this summer, allows them to offer him the most long-term money, and most importantly, puts their first superstar in play before free agency even begins."
Ok thats fair, but you cant help Boston get Davis. Thats just counter productive even if the Knicks did gain ground while doing so.
Im sure the Knicks are shopping everyone.
Matthews to 76ers for Wilson Chandler, Justin Patton, 2nd rounder?
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is going to be near impossible. Unless a team is willing to gut their depth to come up with the right amount of salaries. Its a shame cause Jordan/mathews should have value.
Matthews to 76ers for Wilson Chandler, Justin Patton, 2nd rounder?
Sounds fair
This hot take may be the dumbest yet. What exactly do you think you are going to get for a player with an $18M cap hit? No one is giving up 1st rounders for a guy who will be on the waiver wire in a week. If a team gives up a 2nd rounder or two for the right to avoid a fight to sign the player, that's a win.
"Brutal" when you get an asset for a player you are either going to buy out or renounce rights to at the end of the season?! Lack of common sense by poster is more like it.
The only thing "brutal" about your hot take is the failure to recognize the need to gather future assets for disposable assets.
Even then it's probably not worth it for the Knicks. Do you really want Irving spending the rest of the season here on a bad team and helping win meaningless games? And do you really want to help Boston land Davis?
I would be focused on getting whatever value you can for Matthews and Jordan before the deadline....
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Matthews to 76ers for Wilson Chandler, Justin Patton, 2nd rounder?
Sounds fair
or Furkan Korkmaz
Rumors are Magic looking to move him and extend Vucevic
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Matthews to 76ers for Wilson Chandler, Justin Patton, 2nd rounder?
Sounds fair
or Furkan Korkmaz
Id rather have Zaire Smith
TBH i just put Patton in there to make the $$ line up and only take back an expiring deal...and he isn't even with the Sixers right now..
Chandler makes sense because he hasn't been what they hoped & he is out for 2-3 weeks.
Rumors are Magic looking to move him and extend Vucevic
They'd move Bamba in his rookie season?
Bold strategy, Cotton. I would be on that like white on rice. Do we get the rights to his song too?
If Perry gets a 1st round pick for Kanter he deserves exec of the year. I don't think they could get Giles but I would be in on Jackson or Skal. Both on cheap contracts. And maybe grab a 2019 2nd round pick too.
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What about something along the lines of Kanter and Matthews to the Kings for Zach Randolph, Ben McLemore and a future first? And/or maybe they throw in one of their "prospects" like Giles, Jackson or Skal.
If Perry gets a 1st round pick for Kanter he deserves exec of the year. I don't think they could get Giles but I would be in on Jackson or Skal. Both on cheap contracts. And maybe grab a 2019 2nd round pick too.
Salaries arent even close though right??
And we have no leverage... best is one of Kanter/Jordan/Matthews for Randolph (+ McLemore if it's Jordan to balance salaries) and a 2nd maybe...
Objective of any trade, IMO should be:
1) Do not take anything but expiring deals back
2) Pick up a 2nd rounder
3) Do not acquire any players who help you win a game this season
Just casually scrolling the Hawks for example have 9 firsts over the next 5 seasons + 8 2nd's, Celtics have 8 1sts, Sixers have 7, Suns have 6
Just casually scrolling the Hawks for example have 9 firsts over the next 5 seasons + 8 2nd's, Celtics have 8 1sts, Sixers have 7, Suns have 6
Haha, I noticed that too. Kenny and Rebecca were pointing that out ad nauseum.
Oooooooooh, 7 first rounders in 5 years! Suddenly this organization isn't the inept shithole that we've all grown accustomed to observing.
The Kings were the first team that came to mind for me as well. They are a game back from the 8th seed and may be interested in improving.
A trade of Matthews for Koufos and Shumpert works salarywise. Koufos isn't getting much PT from them, and Matthews would be an upgrade over Shump. Would just be a matter of figuring out fair compensation on the Knicks side, maybe a 2nd round pick or take a flier on a guy like Frank Mason or Skal.
What a joke. You would have thought it was the Hershel Walker trade....
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Beyond the Lakers and Knicks, the Pelicans have been made aware of "a handful" of teams that Anthony Davis would be willing to sign long-term with upon a trade, league sources tell ESPN. Boston isn't included on that list.
I mean I kind of disagree with this... makes sense to draft first.
In the draft you get what you get... in free agency you target what you want...
You'd always want to get the one you have less control of out of the way first...
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Beyond the Lakers and Knicks, the Pelicans have been made aware of "a handful" of teams that Anthony Davis would be willing to sign long-term with upon a trade, league sources tell ESPN. Boston isn't included on that list.
Would be better if it was only 2 teams on the list... but just happy the Knicks are on it.
May 14th is the most important day in Knicks history since The Decision.
I mean it's pretty obvious the #1 overall pick as the centerpiece is more valuable than anything else NO could possibly want. Zion is a huge prospect and a guy you can market.
Then never mind my offer.
So yeah, I can't imagine we get anything more than a second rounder and maybe a young player for him.
Enjoyed listening to him on that podcast - sounds like he's got his finger on the pulse of these draft prospects. He wasn't all that high on Ja Morant, which I found interesting.
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Enjoyed listening to him on that podcast - sounds like he's got his finger on the pulse of these draft prospects. He wasn't all that high on Ja Morant, which I found interesting.
He likes Morant, but he thinks Garland is the MUCH better PG prospect.
And yeah, Spence is the real deal. I haven't seen him in months because he's always watching film and scouting, but I talk to him regularly.
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Its b/c they know through back-channels or just plain obvious KP wasnt going to re-up with them. Further they might have been more concerned with the injury history than Dal.
They now have alot more tradeable assets in picks and young players to make the deal with NO.
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Starting to sound like you're in for a miserable summer.
The part that's driving me nuts though is the notion that if the Knicks don't get the top pick overall they can't put together a trade that's worthwhile to the Pelicans. They can deal 5 first round picks + 3 players on rookie scale contracts that were picked in the lottery the last two seasons plus Robinson & Trier budget friendly deals. The notion that a combination of players / picks from the Knicks cant match Kyle Kuzma and a bag of shit from the Lakers unless one of the Knicks picks land 1st overall just seems idiotic.
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If tank goes well..chances are 17% better than Woj indicates.. haha...
14%, not 12%
Either way... the lottery is HUGE. Pelicans should obviously wait it out.
Janis is absokutely the reason kp was moved and why kp wanted to be traded..
i told this story before, his rookie year i sat two rows behind knicks bench.. game was about to start and usher asked janis to move off the court he looked at him and then ignored him, went back to talking to who he was talking to and basically said does this guy know who he is talking to.....
KP himself just said plan was always to sit out the rest of the year, so bondy sources saying he was cleared were absolute bullshit
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I went and graduated college with Woj, he does not hate the Knicks. He has hated some of the decisions they have made, just like the rest of us.
It's been pretty well documented that Woj will "report" things as favors for teams and agents in exchange for scoops, hence why he always gets them. The Knicks have not given him any of that (although Perry joining may have changed that since they have a relationship) hence why he comes off as a Knick hater. With that being said, this all screams of the Lakers using Woj to gain leverage. The Pelicans best bet is to hold AD til the end of the season. The Lakers package is going nowhere and the Knicks could fall in the top 3 which would be the best asset of any of the assets the Lakers and Knicks have collectively. Further, trading AD to any team harms their draft position if they're giving up this year's first to their detriment.
Shared a thought or 2 on the subject with him, he does not hate the Knicks.
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I saw a tweet from a reporter (can't remember who) who suggested that the Bucks were added to the list so it didn't look like big market bias, knowing that they don't have the ability to pull off a deal anyways.
As a Knicks fan Id rather see Davis stay in the West anyway.
Absolutely. When I first saw that report about the "handful of teams," I wondered if Brooklyn was one of them.
Bingo.
As a Knicks fan Id rather see Davis stay in the West anyway.
Why would the deal get worse from the Lakers? There's really no incentive to do the trade now for NO. An intelligent organization would wait to see what happens with the Knicks and/or Boston, then get the same package if necessary minus the Rondo/Lance trash.
The Laker offer can basically only get worse so by waiting you are really just hoping Boston gives you some ridiculous fucking offer in the summer which seems very unlikely without a guarantee from Davis he will sign long term. Or you are hoping the Knicks land the first pick and land KD or Kyrie or both.
I think the idea that it will definitely be a stronger market in the summer is wrong, its a risk and perhaps more likely that it will be a weaker market. If you have a deal you really like now just pull the trigger and start rebuilding.
If anything this feels like a way for them to try to get more out of the Knicks. I don't see what the Clippers or Bucks could do to beat that either.
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LaVar Ball tells ESPN that if Lonzo Ball is traded, he wants his son to go to Phoenix: We want to be in LA. But if hes traded, I dont want Lonzo in New Orleans. Phoenix is the best fit for him. And I am going to speak it into existence.
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LaVar Ball tells ESPN that if Lonzo Ball is traded, he wants his son to go to Phoenix: We want to be in LA. But if hes traded, I dont want Lonzo in New Orleans. Phoenix is the best fit for him. And I am going to speak it into existence.
I hadn't heard from LaVar in a couple of months. I wish that streak had continued.
he also did a show with jacoby replacing jalen where he says knicks basically consukted kd before trading kp
before the knicks game chauncey was laughing at him because when chauncey said kyrie is gone paul flipped out...
everytime pierce talks beadle can not stop laughing at him
Nailed it!
Shut your pie hole or offer up something new
it would be awesome if he was traded and at his press congerence he was asked if he was staying long term and basically said nope i am signing with the knicks
i think durant is thr guy knicks "know" they can get...
I think the costar is up in the air
Seems legit, though I'm sure it'll be a rollercoaster between now and July. I go back to AD's list - he knows he needs to play with a star if he wants a ring, and two of his four teams don't currently have one. Stars must be on their way to the Clippers and Knicks.
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Is this like the Lebron to LAL smoke?
i think durant is thr guy knicks "know" they can get...
I think the costar is up in the air
This is how I feel although I do think there are reasons for optimism with Kyrie as well. The biggest one being Davis surprising list of teams that includes the Knicks and not the Celtics. I dont think it happens without KD coming on but I think KD likely comes regardless.
leonard going to clippers or staying in toronto
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i am also nnot 100 percent sold on signing irving
if they sign irving and durant, i am going opening night, i want the mavs opening night..
just so kp can see what hr stupidly walked away from
i feel like he is a lock for clippers
if they sign irving and durant, i am going opening night, i want the mavs opening night..
just so kp can see what hr stupidly walked away from
If that actually happened, would KP wanting out be the thing that made it possible, though? IOW, impossible if they hadn't traded him.
First step is to get a top two pick first. I'd keep Zion and team him with KD + Kyrie with the rest of the youngsters. If we have the second pick, I think it'd still be attractive enough for Pelicans in a potential trade for AD. I don't know about trading every player we have now with all the picks for AD though. Looking at the rumored Lakers offer, I don't think we'd need to fork over everything for AD, especially if the Pelicans want to spite him.
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just so kp can see what hr stupidly walked away from
If that actually happened, would KP wanting out be the thing that made it possible, though? IOW, impossible if they hadn't traded him.
it seems like the knicks were trading him no matter what...
I dont think he wanted out, i think him and his brother tried a power play and it failed...
Knicks were supposedly looking to create 2 max slots for months
All of the above, in my opinion...
if they were happy with kp why worry about seeing what you can get for him?
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Then we signed Durant. Instead of Kyrie what would our ability to sign say DeAndre Jordan, Wesley Matthews and / or Vonleh be?
I'm pretty sure due to my understanding of cap holds etc. we couldn't do AD, KD, Jordan and Matthews but there are also some confusing rules in there that I don't entirely understand.
I mean im guessing you could sign Jordan/Mathews if you wanted to, but im not sure that would be the best use of the money.
Cap holds dont really matter here because you would renounce jordan/mathews because their cap holds would be huge. That just means we couldnt go over the cap to resign them.
Regardless, I kept hearing Rothenberg claim that if the Knicks signed someone like Jimmy Butler it would be a complete failure. I don't necessarily disagree, but I also feel like Butler is a better all around player than KP, personality issues aside. So my question to Rothenberg would have been, if signing Butler would be a failure, how come keeping KP wouldn't have been?
All that setup is my long and boring way of asking, were do you guys think KP falls in this list of free agents? In a hypothetical world where KP was suddenly available right now on the open market, I think I would be upset if the Knicks gave out max money to a guy coming off of injury, with personality questions and only 10 games of truly high level play.
If kp was not 22 he would not come close to a max on the open market, even at 22 i would not max him, he is going to be out 20 months before he plays again...
I mean im guessing you could sign Jordan/Mathews if you wanted to, but im not sure that would be the best use of the money.
Cap holds dont really matter here because you would renounce jordan/mathews because their cap holds would be huge. That just means we couldnt go over the cap to resign them.
If knicks did:
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you still have 70 million to sign to max with ability to get 74 if you release trier and dot
Personally dont expect the knicks to do much due to the salary restrictions. We need a team like BKN or the Clips or someone like that to want an upgrade. The top teams just dont ahve the salaries to make it work.
they can clear another 11 just by releasing lance, trier and dot
Regardless, I kept hearing Rothenberg claim that if the Knicks signed someone like Jimmy Butler it would be a complete failure. I don't necessarily disagree, but I also feel like Butler is a better all around player than KP, personality issues aside. So my question to Rothenberg would have been, if signing Butler would be a failure, how come keeping KP wouldn't have been?
All that setup is my long and boring way of asking, were do you guys think KP falls in this list of free agents? In a hypothetical world where KP was suddenly available right now on the open market, I think I would be upset if the Knicks gave out max money to a guy coming off of injury, with personality questions and only 10 games of truly high level play.
Its just your average anti-Knick bias. When the Knicks had KP, the talking heads would talk about his inability to stay healthy due to his body type and that Knick fans overrated him and they said it was mostly projection. Now that hes gone, hes all of a sudden a superstar already? Given his personality, I could see him not panning out. He seems far more concerned with little things, less so basketball. Hell probably be a model citizen in Dallas because they seem to have that sort of luck but here he mightve been a disaster on a max deal
they can clear another 11 just by releasing lance, trier and dot
The $74 mil number is kind of phony though; it assumes Lance is already cut, Triers option is declined, Dotson is released and Knick's pick falls to 5th overall. Its the max amount of cap space they can get. Don't know how this will look formatting wise here, but this excel has the right breakdown of next years cap space. Dotson might not fit into the cap space if they get the first overall pick as the scenario below literally would give them 200 grand left in space if you replace two rookie min contracts with Durant and Irvings max. If they dont end up with the first pick overall though they can easily fit Dotson's cap figure into the fold.
Player 2019-2020
1 Kevin Knox $4,380,120.00
2 Frank Ntilikina $4,855,800.00
3 Mitchell Robinson $1,559,712.00
4 Allonzo Trier $3,551,100.00
5 Dennis Smith Jr $4,463,640.00
6 1st Rd Pick $8,120,700.00
7 2nd Rd Pick $896,885.00
8 Rookie Min $896,885.00
9 Rookie Min $896,885.00
10 Rookie Min $896,885.00
11 Rookie Min $896,885.00
12 Rookie Min $896,885.00
Lance Thomas Dead $1,000,000.00
Joakim Noah Dead $6,431,667.00
Projected Cap $109,000,000.00
Cost against cap $39,744,049.00
Available Cap Space $69,255,951.00
they can clear another 11 just by releasing lance, trier and dot
Well, they for sure should release Lance. The other two, no.
Regardless, I kept hearing Rothenberg claim that if the Knicks signed someone like Jimmy Butler it would be a complete failure. I don't necessarily disagree, but I also feel like Butler is a better all around player than KP, personality issues aside. So my question to Rothenberg would have been, if signing Butler would be a failure, how come keeping KP wouldn't have been?
All that setup is my long and boring way of asking, were do you guys think KP falls in this list of free agents? In a hypothetical world where KP was suddenly available right now on the open market, I think I would be upset if the Knicks gave out max money to a guy coming off of injury, with personality questions and only 10 games of truly high level play.
Rothenberg isn't rational. He goes off emotion.
The only way KP is worth a max deal is if that contract had lots of injury protection like the Embiid contract. Even the most optimistic KP fan can't say he's a clear cut max player on the same tier as KD or Davis. I think he's a #2 star, which I'd say Kyrie is as well.
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LaVar Ball tells ESPN that if Lonzo Ball is traded, he wants his son to go to Phoenix: We want to be in LA. But if hes traded, I dont want Lonzo in New Orleans. Phoenix is the best fit for him. And I am going to speak it into existence.
How does he not realize that he has basically zero input as to where Lonzo will be traded to? I know he can be dumb most of the time (especially when he doesn't realize that the players in his JBA aren't getting paid), but he can't be that dumb. At this rate Lonzo won't be getting a 2nd contract if LaVar opens his mouth.
Whatever happened to all 3 of his sons playing for the Lakers?