As Good or Better then the Rams...The Rams O-Line looked bad yesterday and they got into the big game...Giants make 1 or 2 good moves you never know...
... The pressure that the Pats were generating throughout the playoffs was incredible. It disrupted and pretty much stymied each of the best offenses in the league... Chargers, KC, and ultimately the Rams last night.
I had no idea how good that defense was and I don't think they are getting enough credit on D. The amount of pressure they were getting throughout the playoffs on some decent OL was intense, and paid huge dividends.
that it's just not the physical attributes of the players. It's the scheme - the teamwork, coaching. Great lines pick up the stunts, blitzes and operate like one mind. We're hearing of Scarneccia being the genius of O-Line coaching. There is an obvious difference.
Watching the Rams yesterday looked a lot like our O during the early 2018 season- no holes in the running game- being driven back in the passing game
BB makes a lot of offenses look bad a lot of the time. The right side of the Rams' OL last night was a shit show and looked (as BBI often said of the Giants OL last few years) 'unprepared and outmatched'. But the point is taken. From Sullivan to RG to RT were awful, complete reversal of how they played another, but different, 'strong' D in Dallas'.
I think we continue to undervalue the C position: I think to stick with Halapio risks undermining the fulcrum of the entire OL, he was just not that good, granted he was already on the DL by the time Jamon Brown was inserted as a starter (think that is right). I think the C position is much higher priority than finding a replacement for JB, that and RT. Agree with arc re. the left side.
Last year was certainly a move in the right direction acquiring Solder and Hernandez and moving on from Flowers. Even though the Omameh signing was a bad one, Gettleman wasn't too stubborn to hang on, and let him go too. Jamon Brown may not be a Pro Bowler, but he is adequate if the Giants can get a legitimate top tier RT in free agency, and maybe a C in the draft.
For the past couple years, I said "if the Giants even have an average offensive line, they'll be great with all their playmakers"...I now believe that if Eli is going to be successful, their offensive line needs to be dominant. As great as Brady is, he may actually move worse than Eli in the pocket. I can't imagine the Giants would have had too many more wins if Brady was back there. Shows how important protecting the QB and opening running lanes for RB's is.
Now that we have Barkley, we need o-linemen who will make space for Â
him to run through. Our o-line was even worse at run blocking than pass blocking.
Agreed. And that's saying something... lol. Also agree with those saying we need a good stout center, and I was not thrilled with Halapio, and Pulley was less than mediocre. We need at least a Center and RT in my view.
and the KC offense rolled through the 2d half. McVay never made the offensive line adjustments and the Rams offense continued to sputter and put pressure on the defense.
The Rams punter, Hekker was constantly bailing-out the offense.
and the KC offense rolled through the 2d half. McVay never made the offensive line adjustments and the Rams offense continued to sputter and put pressure on the defense.
The Rams punter, Hekker was constantly bailing-out the offense.
I wouldn't say they rolled through the whole half. They still only had 7 points going into the 4th quarter, but I agree in that KC finally alleviated some of the pressure and gave Mahomes some time t throw after half time.
I would spend #6 and #37 on Defense and at 108 start looking for overall OL depth. There will be guys at 108 that will be starter material, just no elite tackles. If Williams from Carolina can be had I think he and Brown would make a great right side due to there sheer size. We can get a couple of guards and a center to add depth. David Diehl was a 5th, OHara was a UDFA, Depth can be found. We will see how good DG is at drafting. However, the overall play of OL in the league is down and I am afraid the FAs will be grossly overpaid!
In an NFL, starving for OLmen, I think he is going to get an offer he can't refuse from someone....even though he is not worth it...He is average at best, and looked better only because of those who played before him....Read Sy's weekly game reports if you don't believe me...Be crazy to overpay him....
Halapio is not the answer....we still need 3 OLmen....
Brown could be one, but next year’s starting center probably will be Halapio or Pulley.
It better not be. The single biggest impact on Eli's ability to be effective is when pressure comes up the middle. Halapio and Pulley are not good enough centers. We need an ugprade there badly.
Halapio barely even played - he got hurt early in Week 2. Not sure there was a whole lot of time for him to make that type of impression.
I'd obviously like to upgrade the center spot, but it might not be feasible to nail down 3 new starters and I think our internal options @ C are at least marginally better than what we've got @ RT. Wheeler cannot be a part of any starting combination in 2019.
If they want to hang onto Brown, and look to replace Wheeler and add an OC, I am on board with that.
Haalapiooh, or however the hell you spell his last name, sucks. Â
Get a real player in here to man the Center position. Don't give me this nonsense about him being any good. Brown is a hold the fort player until the cavalry arrives. He stands a decent chance of being here another here based on his status, and then go out and sign D. Williams, the FART from Carolina; he won't stink.
a new Center and a new RT. Halapio and Wheeler were awful. Greco was horrendous.
Halapio played 1 game(?) and parts of preseason before getting injured. How do you know he was awful? At that point neither Hernandez or Solder were very good.
They may very well need a center, but Halapio only started to play center this pre-season. And remember, Shurmur was a center for Mich State, so he should know how to evaluate centers.
... The pressure that the Pats were generating throughout the playoffs was incredible. It disrupted and pretty much stymied each of the best offenses in the league... Chargers, KC, and ultimately the Rams last night.
I had no idea how good that defense was and I don't think they are getting enough credit on D. The amount of pressure they were getting throughout the playoffs on some decent OL was intense, and paid huge dividends.
+100%
Im shocked too. “Goff shit the bed” etc. Well so did Rivers & Mahomes. The Pats D has almost no recognizable names and they peaked in the Playoffs. So they got no pub. But I think we just saw an elite D no one is talking about. 11 playing as 1 with the best coach in the game. It was special.
RE: You can’t expect 3 new starters, from the draft and free agency. Â
a new Center and a new RT. Halapio and Wheeler were awful. Greco was horrendous.
Shurmur used to play Center in college. They let Brett Jones go in a trade and Hilapio earned the starting spot. Only 2 games or not, I will defer to Shurmur. If they sign somebody else or even draft a Center in round 2 I will assume they think otherwise. With our dire need for a RT, I think we stick with Hilapio and sign a quality RT
NY Giants Jamon Brown (@JB_The_GREAT_68)
2/5/19, 4:10 PM
Where my G-men at? We working, going to make 2019 a great year! We all in!!
From DefenderDawg's Afternoon Reading thread.
Saw this. He was so much better than anybody we have had since Snee. I’d bring him back especially since he had only a half season and I feel he would do much better with a new RT like Daryl Williams and more offseason to sync up with the rest of the line.
As the year went on Brown's play was definitely not as impressive as his first few games.
More interesting is what his market value will be. Let's say for argument's sake the league views him as a markedly better player than Omameh was in free agency last year.
If a team that's close to competing offers him 6M a year -- are the Giants matching that?
I think we're set with Solder and Hernandez on the left for now.
I wouldn't totally rule out Halapio as an option @ OC - but it depends how he comes back from the injury. It was a significant one.
Pulley did seem at least passable at some points as the year went on. He was awful when he first started getting reps.
Wheeler is just way too weak to play RT. The guy gets driven backwards routinely and isn't strong enough to handle power rushers.
I had no idea how good that defense was and I don't think they are getting enough credit on D. The amount of pressure they were getting throughout the playoffs on some decent OL was intense, and paid huge dividends.
Watching the Rams yesterday looked a lot like our O during the early 2018 season- no holes in the running game- being driven back in the passing game
I think we continue to undervalue the C position: I think to stick with Halapio risks undermining the fulcrum of the entire OL, he was just not that good, granted he was already on the DL by the time Jamon Brown was inserted as a starter (think that is right). I think the C position is much higher priority than finding a replacement for JB, that and RT. Agree with arc re. the left side.
For the past couple years, I said "if the Giants even have an average offensive line, they'll be great with all their playmakers"...I now believe that if Eli is going to be successful, their offensive line needs to be dominant. As great as Brady is, he may actually move worse than Eli in the pocket. I can't imagine the Giants would have had too many more wins if Brady was back there. Shows how important protecting the QB and opening running lanes for RB's is.
Remember...that was the game that was going to spearhead us into the playoffs per many on this site.
Agreed. And that's saying something... lol. Also agree with those saying we need a good stout center, and I was not thrilled with Halapio, and Pulley was less than mediocre. We need at least a Center and RT in my view.
The Rams punter, Hekker was constantly bailing-out the offense.
The Rams punter, Hekker was constantly bailing-out the offense.
I wouldn't say they rolled through the whole half. They still only had 7 points going into the 4th quarter, but I agree in that KC finally alleviated some of the pressure and gave Mahomes some time t throw after half time.
I don't consider Halapio starting caliber.
Defense needs a serious over haul
It's doable.
Halapio is not the answer....we still need 3 OLmen....
Solder, Hernandez, Hilapio, Brown, Williams is a solid line.
It better not be. The single biggest impact on Eli's ability to be effective is when pressure comes up the middle. Halapio and Pulley are not good enough centers. We need an ugprade there badly.
I'd obviously like to upgrade the center spot, but it might not be feasible to nail down 3 new starters and I think our internal options @ C are at least marginally better than what we've got @ RT. Wheeler cannot be a part of any starting combination in 2019.
If they want to hang onto Brown, and look to replace Wheeler and add an OC, I am on board with that.
Halapio played 1 game(?) and parts of preseason before getting injured. How do you know he was awful? At that point neither Hernandez or Solder were very good.
They may very well need a center, but Halapio only started to play center this pre-season. And remember, Shurmur was a center for Mich State, so he should know how to evaluate centers.
2/5/19, 4:10 PM
Where my G-men at? We working, going to make 2019 a great year! We all in!!
From DefenderDawg's Afternoon Reading thread.
I had no idea how good that defense was and I don't think they are getting enough credit on D. The amount of pressure they were getting throughout the playoffs on some decent OL was intense, and paid huge dividends.
+100%
Im shocked too. “Goff shit the bed” etc. Well so did Rivers & Mahomes. The Pats D has almost no recognizable names and they peaked in the Playoffs. So they got no pub. But I think we just saw an elite D no one is talking about. 11 playing as 1 with the best coach in the game. It was special.
Yes you can (with a little luck) -- and I do.
Shurmur used to play Center in college. They let Brett Jones go in a trade and Hilapio earned the starting spot. Only 2 games or not, I will defer to Shurmur. If they sign somebody else or even draft a Center in round 2 I will assume they think otherwise. With our dire need for a RT, I think we stick with Hilapio and sign a quality RT
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NY Giants Jamon Brown (@JB_The_GREAT_68)
2/5/19, 4:10 PM
Where my G-men at? We working, going to make 2019 a great year! We all in!!
From DefenderDawg's Afternoon Reading thread.
Saw this. He was so much better than anybody we have had since Snee. I’d bring him back especially since he had only a half season and I feel he would do much better with a new RT like Daryl Williams and more offseason to sync up with the rest of the line.
More interesting is what his market value will be. Let's say for argument's sake the league views him as a markedly better player than Omameh was in free agency last year.
If a team that's close to competing offers him 6M a year -- are the Giants matching that?