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The Giants O-Line after the Break Looked

mvftw : 2/4/2019 11:53 am
As Good or Better then the Rams...The Rams O-Line looked bad yesterday and they got into the big game...Giants make 1 or 2 good moves you never know...
The Giants OL  
BillT : 2/4/2019 12:01 pm : link
Is at least two (very?) good moves from even basic respectability.
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arcarsenal : 2/4/2019 12:04 pm : link
We improved, but we still need 2 more starters. The right side needs two new guys.

I think we're set with Solder and Hernandez on the left for now.

I wouldn't totally rule out Halapio as an option @ OC - but it depends how he comes back from the injury. It was a significant one.

Pulley did seem at least passable at some points as the year went on. He was awful when he first started getting reps.
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arcarsenal : 2/4/2019 12:05 pm : link
Jamon Brown actually wasn't bad either.

Wheeler is just way too weak to play RT. The guy gets driven backwards routinely and isn't strong enough to handle power rushers.
To be fair...  
Johnny5 : 2/4/2019 12:05 pm : link
... The pressure that the Pats were generating throughout the playoffs was incredible. It disrupted and pretty much stymied each of the best offenses in the league... Chargers, KC, and ultimately the Rams last night.

I had no idea how good that defense was and I don't think they are getting enough credit on D. The amount of pressure they were getting throughout the playoffs on some decent OL was intense, and paid huge dividends.
It's obvious  
blueberry : 2/4/2019 12:12 pm : link
that it's just not the physical attributes of the players. It's the scheme - the teamwork, coaching. Great lines pick up the stunts, blitzes and operate like one mind. We're hearing of Scarneccia being the genius of O-Line coaching. There is an obvious difference.
Watching the Rams yesterday looked a lot like our O during the early 2018 season- no holes in the running game- being driven back in the passing game
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ColHowPepper : 2/4/2019 12:20 pm : link
BB makes a lot of offenses look bad a lot of the time. The right side of the Rams' OL last night was a shit show and looked (as BBI often said of the Giants OL last few years) 'unprepared and outmatched'. But the point is taken. From Sullivan to RG to RT were awful, complete reversal of how they played another, but different, 'strong' D in Dallas'.

I think we continue to undervalue the C position: I think to stick with Halapio risks undermining the fulcrum of the entire OL, he was just not that good, granted he was already on the DL by the time Jamon Brown was inserted as a starter (think that is right). I think the C position is much higher priority than finding a replacement for JB, that and RT. Agree with arc re. the left side.
We're getting there  
ShockNRoll : 2/4/2019 12:21 pm : link
Last year was certainly a move in the right direction acquiring Solder and Hernandez and moving on from Flowers. Even though the Omameh signing was a bad one, Gettleman wasn't too stubborn to hang on, and let him go too. Jamon Brown may not be a Pro Bowler, but he is adequate if the Giants can get a legitimate top tier RT in free agency, and maybe a C in the draft.

For the past couple years, I said "if the Giants even have an average offensive line, they'll be great with all their playmakers"...I now believe that if Eli is going to be successful, their offensive line needs to be dominant. As great as Brady is, he may actually move worse than Eli in the pocket. I can't imagine the Giants would have had too many more wins if Brady was back there. Shows how important protecting the QB and opening running lanes for RB's is.
Now that we have Barkley, we need o-linemen who will make space for  
Ira : 2/4/2019 12:26 pm : link
him to run through. Our o-line was even worse at run blocking than pass blocking.
Recall a game against the Titans  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2019 12:27 pm : link
where the oline looked, you know...kind of bad.

Remember...that was the game that was going to spearhead us into the playoffs per many on this site.
RE: Now that we have Barkley, we need o-linemen who will make space for  
Johnny5 : 2/4/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14286852 Ira said:
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him to run through. Our o-line was even worse at run blocking than pass blocking.

Agreed. And that's saying something... lol. Also agree with those saying we need a good stout center, and I was not thrilled with Halapio, and Pulley was less than mediocre. We need at least a Center and RT in my view.
Andy Reid made adjustments...  
BamaBlue : 2/4/2019 12:31 pm : link
and the KC offense rolled through the 2d half. McVay never made the offensive line adjustments and the Rams offense continued to sputter and put pressure on the defense.

The Rams punter, Hekker was constantly bailing-out the offense.
RE: Andy Reid made adjustments...  
Johnny5 : 2/4/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14286862 BamaBlue said:
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and the KC offense rolled through the 2d half. McVay never made the offensive line adjustments and the Rams offense continued to sputter and put pressure on the defense.

The Rams punter, Hekker was constantly bailing-out the offense.

I wouldn't say they rolled through the whole half. They still only had 7 points going into the 4th quarter, but I agree in that KC finally alleviated some of the pressure and gave Mahomes some time t throw after half time.
Yep, still waiting for  
CT Charlie : 2/4/2019 12:39 pm : link
the hog mollies.
The Giants do not have starting caliber players  
ij_reilly : 2/4/2019 12:59 pm : link
under contract at C, RG, and RT.

I don't consider Halapio starting caliber.

The difference is  
cjac : 2/4/2019 2:32 pm : link
there's no way the Giants can hold anyone to 13 points

Defense needs a serious over haul
Solder, Brown and Hernandez played well  
Don in DC : 2/4/2019 3:27 pm : link
and should be part of the team's future plans. If we can sign or draft a decent C and RT this off season, the O-Line can be respectable next year.

It's doable.
The buzzwords next year are going to be "interior pass rush"  
Bill L : 2/4/2019 3:32 pm : link
That's how they 'll draft, that's what they'll highlight. The countermove has to be upgrading the OL at that corresponding level.
with 11 draft picks we should be able to improve  
edavisiii : 2/4/2019 3:42 pm : link
I would spend #6 and #37 on Defense and at 108 start looking for overall OL depth. There will be guys at 108 that will be starter material, just no elite tackles. If Williams from Carolina can be had I think he and Brown would make a great right side due to there sheer size. We can get a couple of guards and a center to add depth. David Diehl was a 5th, OHara was a UDFA, Depth can be found. We will see how good DG is at drafting. However, the overall play of OL in the league is down and I am afraid the FAs will be grossly overpaid!
Brown is an UFA...  
Doomster : 2/4/2019 4:45 pm : link
In an NFL, starving for OLmen, I think he is going to get an offer he can't refuse from someone....even though he is not worth it...He is average at best, and looked better only because of those who played before him....Read Sy's weekly game reports if you don't believe me...Be crazy to overpay him....

Halapio is not the answer....we still need 3 OLmen....
I think they will re-sign Brown  
Rjanyg : 2/4/2019 4:56 pm : link
Daryl Williams is a guy they would go after. Draft a Center with either the 2nd or 4th round pick.

Solder, Hernandez, Hilapio, Brown, Williams is a solid line.
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arcarsenal : 2/4/2019 5:19 pm : link
RT is the spot that needs the most attention - Wheeler was the weakest link on the line by season's end.
We need  
Josh in the City : 2/4/2019 5:24 pm : link
a new Center and a new RT. Halapio and Wheeler were awful. Greco was horrendous.
You canít expect 3 new starters, from the draft and free agency.  
Ivan15 : 2/4/2019 5:26 pm : link
Brown could be one, but next yearís starting center probably will be Halapio or Pulley.
RE: You canít expect 3 new starters, from the draft and free agency.  
Josh in the City : 2/4/2019 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14287342 Ivan15 said:
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Brown could be one, but next yearís starting center probably will be Halapio or Pulley.

It better not be. The single biggest impact on Eli's ability to be effective is when pressure comes up the middle. Halapio and Pulley are not good enough centers. We need an ugprade there badly.
Bill L +1  
idiotsavant : 2/4/2019 6:52 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 2/4/2019 6:53 pm : link
Halapio barely even played - he got hurt early in Week 2. Not sure there was a whole lot of time for him to make that type of impression.

I'd obviously like to upgrade the center spot, but it might not be feasible to nail down 3 new starters and I think our internal options @ C are at least marginally better than what we've got @ RT. Wheeler cannot be a part of any starting combination in 2019.

If they want to hang onto Brown, and look to replace Wheeler and add an OC, I am on board with that.
Haalapiooh, or however the hell you spell his last name, sucks.  
Optimus-NY : 2/4/2019 9:11 pm : link
Get a real player in here to man the Center position. Don't give me this nonsense about him being any good. Brown is a hold the fort player until the cavalry arrives. He stands a decent chance of being here another here based on his status, and then go out and sign D. Williams, the FART from Carolina; he won't stink.
RE: We need  
section125 : 2/5/2019 5:16 am : link
In comment 14287339 Josh in the City said:
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a new Center and a new RT. Halapio and Wheeler were awful. Greco was horrendous.


Halapio played 1 game(?) and parts of preseason before getting injured. How do you know he was awful? At that point neither Hernandez or Solder were very good.

They may very well need a center, but Halapio only started to play center this pre-season. And remember, Shurmur was a center for Mich State, so he should know how to evaluate centers.
Sounds like Jamon is willing to come back.  
Diver_Down : 2/5/2019 5:29 pm : link
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NY Giants Jamon Brown (@JB_The_GREAT_68)
2/5/19, 4:10 PM
Where my G-men at? We working, going to make 2019 a great year! We all in!!


From DefenderDawg's Afternoon Reading thread.
RE: To be fair...  
mittenedman : 2/5/2019 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14286806 Johnny5 said:
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... The pressure that the Pats were generating throughout the playoffs was incredible. It disrupted and pretty much stymied each of the best offenses in the league... Chargers, KC, and ultimately the Rams last night.

I had no idea how good that defense was and I don't think they are getting enough credit on D. The amount of pressure they were getting throughout the playoffs on some decent OL was intense, and paid huge dividends.


+100%

Im shocked too. ďGoff shit the bedĒ etc. Well so did Rivers & Mahomes. The Pats D has almost no recognizable names and they peaked in the Playoffs. So they got no pub. But I think we just saw an elite D no one is talking about. 11 playing as 1 with the best coach in the game. It was special.
RE: You canít expect 3 new starters, from the draft and free agency.  
Percy : 2/5/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14287342 Ivan15 said:
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Brown could be one, but next yearís starting center probably will be Halapio or Pulley.

Yes you can (with a little luck) -- and I do.
RE: We need  
Rjanyg : 2/5/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14287339 Josh in the City said:
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a new Center and a new RT. Halapio and Wheeler were awful. Greco was horrendous.


Shurmur used to play Center in college. They let Brett Jones go in a trade and Hilapio earned the starting spot. Only 2 games or not, I will defer to Shurmur. If they sign somebody else or even draft a Center in round 2 I will assume they think otherwise. With our dire need for a RT, I think we stick with Hilapio and sign a quality RT
RE: Sounds like Jamon is willing to come back.  
Rjanyg : 2/5/2019 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14288374 Diver_Down said:
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NY Giants Jamon Brown (@JB_The_GREAT_68)
2/5/19, 4:10 PM
Where my G-men at? We working, going to make 2019 a great year! We all in!!




From DefenderDawg's Afternoon Reading thread.


Saw this. He was so much better than anybody we have had since Snee. Iíd bring him back especially since he had only a half season and I feel he would do much better with a new RT like Daryl Williams and more offseason to sync up with the rest of the line.
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christian : 2/6/2019 7:04 am : link
As the year went on Brown's play was definitely not as impressive as his first few games.

More interesting is what his market value will be. Let's say for argument's sake the league views him as a markedly better player than Omameh was in free agency last year.

If a team that's close to competing offers him 6M a year -- are the Giants matching that?
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