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Great Breakdown On How Goff Shit The Bed

Zeke's Alibi : 2/4/2019 3:34 pm
After watching the game yesterday I felt as if either McVay or Goff really blew the game yesterday, but wasn't really sure. We'll this pretty much breaks it down how bad Goff was yesterday. Personally I knew Belichik was going to make Goff beat him, and I thought he'd be up to the task after he was able to accomplish what he did in that insane environment in New Orleans. This is very damning. Hard to argue Goff didn't completely shit the bed.
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He went to Jared  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 2/4/2019 3:36 pm : link
Big time.
Sh!t the bed?  
DonQuixote : 2/4/2019 3:52 pm : link
This is an NFL caliber QB who played badly. Or maybe he just faced a superior and well prepared opponent. I see no reason to pile on.

RE: Sh!t the bed?  
Big Blue '56 : 2/4/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14287224 DonQuixote said:
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This is an NFL caliber QB who played badly. Or maybe he just faced a superior and well prepared opponent. I see no reason to pile on.


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I think there's always plays that are missed..  
BillKo : 2/4/2019 3:53 pm : link
.....like on that one where Reynolds was wide open on a cross, Romo even said sometimes it's predetermined where the ball is going esp on a long pass. That was 2nd and 22 as I remember.

Goff didn't play well, but McVay never got his QB comfortable. In today's NFL, there are so many gimme throws....I didn't see any of those in the beginning. No running back screens either to slow down the rush.

And he didn't stick with the run game. QB struggling...give it to the back. Gotta read your QB.
I think the game yesterday really magnified the fact that  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/4/2019 4:01 pm : link
Goff's success is more McVay than Goff. He was missing reads and not diagnosing blitzes all game long. They confused the hell out of him, but there were things available for him to take. Belichik is the GOAT, but he really exposed Goff for what he really is.
Yeh McVay shouldn't have abandoned the run game a  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/4/2019 4:02 pm : link
and not getting Gurley involved in the passing game surprised the hell outta me. Can't wait to find out what was really going on with Gurley once that comes out.
jonathan goff  
madgiantscow009 : 2/4/2019 4:02 pm : link
would have gave them a better chance.
Goff and McVay just weren't for the game.  
Geomon : 2/4/2019 4:08 pm : link
It's that simple.
RE: Sh!t the bed?  
bluepepper : 2/4/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14287224 DonQuixote said:
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This is an NFL caliber QB who played badly. Or maybe he just faced a superior and well prepared opponent. I see no reason to pile on.

That's not how it works in these parts. Any chance to dump on a guy especially a QB is cherished. Goff could have a great career but unless/until he wins a couple of Super Bowls any thread on him will include at least a couple of posters gleefully trashing him for his performance in SB LIII.
Did Goff have a crappy game....  
BamaBlue : 2/4/2019 4:12 pm : link
or did the Rams offensive line have a crappy game. It sure looked like the Rams OL was overmatched and pushed around all afternoon...
Yep...Rams should have drafted  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2019 4:15 pm : link
Ezekiel Elliott instead.
RE: Did Goff have a crappy game....  
Hammer : 2/4/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14287265 BamaBlue said:
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or did the Rams offensive line have a crappy game. It sure looked like the Rams OL was overmatched and pushed around all afternoon...


^^This^^. While it might be on Goff for failing to make the correct pre-snap adjustments at the line it is beyond contention that the pressure up the middle was murderous.
So you mean,  
Doomster : 2/4/2019 4:31 pm : link
Goff had a bad OL in front of him yesterday?

How would he do with our OL in front of him?
Goff didnít have good protection.  
djm : 2/4/2019 4:38 pm : link
To be fair, Eli got the shit kicked out of him in the 2011 nfc title game and still hung 24 pts on a great defense.

Eli was so fucking awesome that game. Most QBs shit the bed when pressured Eli was that night. Goff didnít even take that much pressure and he shit the bed. Eli was a God that night.
RE: Sh!t the bed?  
djm : 2/4/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14287224 DonQuixote said:
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This is an NFL caliber QB who played badly. Or maybe he just faced a superior and well prepared opponent. I see no reason to pile on.


Right or wrong these QBs all get too much scrutiny in these big big games. They are going to be defined by these moments. At times I think these critiques are over the top of overstated and over analyzed but sometimes they are fair. Itís just how it goes.
Shit the bed  
Dave in PA : 2/4/2019 4:41 pm : link
Is a phrase that needs to disappear
I thought  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 2/4/2019 4:48 pm : link
they would move him around a bit when he couldnít handle the pressure.
RE: So you mean,  
Hammer : 2/4/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14287283 Doomster said:
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Goff had a bad OL in front of him yesterday?

How would he do with our OL in front of him?


From what I've seen I don't think that the Rams have a bad offensive line.

I just think that they played very poorly yesterday. Whether that is on the coaches, Goff or the players themselves is another matter.

They just looked like shit.

And, to your point, Goff would have been hospitalized if he was playing behind the Giants line yesterday.
I agree with a comment above...  
bw in dc : 2/4/2019 4:51 pm : link
Belichick & Flores decided to make Goff beat them with his arm. And they were going to make him do that with various twists, stunts, and different numbers of rushers. It was an obvious, smart approach.

I personally think Goff had his bell rung a few times. There were four official sacks and three of them were very hard hits. Of the twelve other hits, well over half were also very good licks. The accumulation of those just throws off your timing and you lose trust in your protection. It's human nature.

And in the end, it is situations like this that really separate the greats from the average.
Thanks for sharing...  
Dan in the Springs : 2/4/2019 4:54 pm : link
the nextgenstats gif's are really cool. I'd love it if they could somehow include these in the coaches tape for next year's GamePass. It's instructive to see the gif first, then watch the play live and would save a ton of time overall when watching.

I'm watching the coaches tape focusing on secondary first (because of the all-22 angle), then the line play from the end zone angle. Seeing the gif before watching either would help point out things I might want to focus on (like how a receiver really got open, or how a blitz pickup was missed).

Either way, the gif's are really cool.
I got a bit of a SB XXV vibe watching last nigh  
JohnF : 2/4/2019 5:11 pm : link
Not to say that the Pats defense was anywhere near what the Ravens were, but how Goff and Collins both broke down without a good running game and a good OL performance.
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arcarsenal : 2/4/2019 5:28 pm : link
That's the Belichick trademark. They're as good as anyone in the league at finding ways to make you beat them with a guy you're not used to leaning on as much.

Manningham came through for us - we had a 3rd option good enough to make key plays when teams were focused on keeping Nicks and Cruz from beating them. Goff didn't come through for them.

I didn't feel like he was really willing to hang tough in the pocket and Romo even alluded to it at one point saying that he was going to have to just stand tall in there even if it meant taking some big licks to get the ball down the field.

This is one part of Eli's game that every Giant fan should never forget - particularly during the 11-12 run. He was willing to stand tall back there and get his fucking ass kicked to win those football games. I didn't get the same sense from Goff last night. He looked like a California boy who would have rather been at the beach surfing.

He had Cooks wide open at a crucial juncture in the endzone and his throw was poor and late - allowing McCourty to get over just in time and jar it loose.

He was really bad. Bill dared Goff to beat them without Gurley and he laid an egg.

Goff is young - he'll learn from it. It's a big stage and the toughest task he's faced as a QB to date. But he was positively shitty last night and most certainly was the biggest culprit in the loss.

Wade did a fantastic job with the defense for the majority of the game. They did their job. The offense failed - mostly because Goff sucked.
They threw some exotic looks to confuse Goff in the passing game  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/4/2019 5:34 pm : link
and he couldn't make the right reads. I thought that was the obvious conclusion of this article. I guess not.

Belichik said let's make Goff beat us and he couldn't. Goff didn't play well yesterday and was even given a chance to turn it around in the 4th quarter and almost did. But do you think Eli throws that frustration pick after Cook's failure to make a play. I somehow doubt it.
RE: I agree with a comment above...  
Les in TO : 2/4/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14287309 bw in dc said:
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Belichick & Flores decided to make Goff beat them with his arm. And they were going to make him do that with various twists, stunts, and different numbers of rushers. It was an obvious, smart approach.

I personally think Goff had his bell rung a few times. There were four official sacks and three of them were very hard hits. Of the twelve other hits, well over half were also very good licks. The accumulation of those just throws off your timing and you lose trust in your protection. It's human nature.

And in the end, it is situations like this that really separate the greats from the average.
yup he looked like a boxer who had the crap kicked out of him and was just holding on for dear life.
Young QB challenged by a creative defense. He needs to make mental  
Ivan15 : 2/4/2019 5:50 pm : link
adjustments and step up his game.
The timing of the offense looked off all night.  
St. Jimmy : 2/4/2019 6:22 pm : link
Even guys in motion loomed like they were late or early compared to other games I saw them in. Goff even forgot the snap count once. He looked like the game was too big for him all game.
RE: They threw some exotic looks to confuse Goff in the passing game  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2019 6:25 pm : link
In comment 14287351 Zeke's Alibi said:
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But do you think Eli throws that frustration pick after Cook's failure to make a play. I somehow doubt it.


No, of course not. Eli's never thrown any head-scratching throws that have gotten picked before...
Felt bad for Goff. He was clearly intimated by the stage and opponent.  
BBelle21 : 2/4/2019 6:36 pm : link
That being said, Thank you, Eli, for being an assassin
The best coach in football  
section125 : 2/4/2019 6:40 pm : link
schooled a younger very good coach and very good, young QB. The GOAT Patriots QB didn't look so good either - but he was able to diagnose what the Rams were doing.

Poop the bed is strong. He was beaten by a superior coaching staff, game plan and team.
RE: RE: They threw some exotic looks to confuse Goff in the passing game  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/4/2019 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14287389 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14287351 Zeke's Alibi said:


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But do you think Eli throws that frustration pick after Cook's failure to make a play. I somehow doubt it.



No, of course not. Eli's never thrown any head-scratching throws that have gotten picked before...


Oh please just cuz Eli for the most part sucks now doesn't mean he always has. While up and down during a game, he was different animal in the 4th for a ten year stretch.
Those two missed TDs to cooks  
mattlawson : 2/4/2019 6:43 pm : link
Were the game obviously
RE: The timing of the offense looked off all night.  
Eman11 : 2/4/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14287384 St. Jimmy said:
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Even guys in motion loomed like they were late or early compared to other games I saw them in. Goff even forgot the snap count once. He looked like the game was too big for him all game.


I think that's in part because they didn't play fast like they normally do. All year they snapped the ball within a few seconds of it being marked ready for play. The most in the league at doing that btw. Last night for whatever reason they stayed in the huddle for the first 15 seconds of the play clock.

Romo called it genius but I thought it was mind numbingly dumb. Why in the biggest game of the year do you go away from what you were successful at all year, and what got you to the SB?

That "genius" move got them three whole damn points on the night, and to me McVay outsmarted himself in trying to outsmart Belichick.
RE: RE: RE: They threw some exotic looks to confuse Goff in the passing game  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14287404 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14287389 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 14287351 Zeke's Alibi said:


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But do you think Eli throws that frustration pick after Cook's failure to make a play. I somehow doubt it.



No, of course not. Eli's never thrown any head-scratching throws that have gotten picked before...



Oh please just cuz Eli for the most part sucks now doesn't mean he always has. While up and down during a game, he was different animal in the 4th for a ten year stretch.


Goff's throw had nothing to do with Eli so unless you feel there is some reason to compare the two, not sure why the hypothetical view...
The Rams had the 6th best OL according to PFF  
Deejboy : 2/4/2019 7:07 pm : link
Their OL was great all year. Until yesterday.
Some players after performing poorly will flip a switch in the 4th  
Zeke's Alibi : 2/4/2019 7:10 pm : link
Goff had a chance to do that and still couldn't get it done because of a mental emotional mistake he made. Some guys can get it done in big moments and some can't. This is Eli's M.O, I thought Goff could have been a guy like that, but that interception told me he let the moment get to him. That was a frustration interception.
Classy thread title  
jeff57 : 2/4/2019 7:13 pm : link
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Look, I don't disagree that Goff made an ill-advised, hasty decision  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2019 7:17 pm : link
in the moment. Bad decision and bad throw...got it.

But it has nothing to do with Eli Manning so where are u going with this...
one pass to Cooks was obvious PI but no call  
gtt350 : 2/4/2019 7:54 pm : link
CB holding one arm down. Refs ruin the games constantly.
RE: one pass to Cooks was obvious PI but no call  
Percy : 2/4/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14287469 gtt350 said:
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CB holding one arm down. Refs ruin the games constantly.

Shows only that defensive backs, not just QBs, also have to pick their spots-- in this case, last one missed, when it's hard to see and when body contact is close anyway almost throughout the play.
RE: Goff didnít have good protection.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/4/2019 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14287288 djm said:
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To be fair, Eli got the shit kicked out of him in the 2011 nfc title game and still hung 24 pts on a great defense.

Eli was so fucking awesome that game. Most QBs shit the bed when pressured Eli was that night. Goff didnít even take that much pressure and he shit the bed. Eli was a God that night.


That was a very rare performance in league history. Possibly unique. One thing that stood out to me rewatching it recently was Eli's mobility within the pocket, just 2,3 steps and find a passing lane. It was very, very good. Has he lost that? I guess so.
question about Goff  
giantfan2000 : 2/5/2019 8:46 am : link
I have not watched him much
but his ball throwing seems terrible
his passes are wobbly and have no zip...
they seem pretty uncatchable ..

was he just having a bad day or is this how he throws?
RE: RE: Goff didnít have good protection.  
Andrew in Austin : 2/5/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14287521 BlueLou'sBack said:
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That was a very rare performance in league history. Possibly unique. One thing that stood out to me rewatching it recently was Eli's mobility within the pocket, just 2,3 steps and find a passing lane. It was very, very good. Has he lost that? I guess so.


Probably, like many of us, one of our favorite Eli games. The guy was a stud.

To be fair to Eli this year, our OL was mind-numbingly bad in the first half of the year. Any metrics on both pass and run blocking had them last or near-last in every category in those first 8 games. Guess I am just saying, it helps to have a lane to step in to. :)
RE: question about Goff  
bw in dc : 2/5/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14287665 giantfan2000 said:
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I have not watched him much
but his ball throwing seems terrible
his passes are wobbly and have no zip...
they seem pretty uncatchable ..

was he just having a bad day or is this how he throws?


He was having a bad day.

Two weeks ago in New Orleans, for example, Goff made some of the best throws of the year in a very difficult environment.
Best throws of the year?  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 10:04 am : link
A tad bit dramatic, arent we?
And again with Goff....  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 10:11 am : link
one game shouldnt define his career or future whatsoever. He sucked. It happens. Sucks for him it happened on the biggest stage, but it wont define unless he lets it.

Now the problem with Goff was he was a terrible, yes TERRIBLE, QB after the KC game. I am not sure if he got hurt, if other teams figured the offense out, Gurleys injury impacted him as well...

But in the last 8 games, he had 7 TDs/8 INTs - and 4 of those TDs coming in a meaningless last game of the year against SF.
RE: Best throws of the year?  
bw in dc : 2/5/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14287767 dep026 said:
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A tad bit dramatic, arent we?


For Goff, yes.
RE: RE: Best throws of the year?  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14287866 bw in dc said:
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A tad bit dramatic, arent we?



For Goff, yes.


Then he really wasnt that good. Making a few nice throws to open guys away from home..... yikes.
RE: And again with Goff....  
bw in dc : 2/5/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14287779 dep026 said:
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one game shouldnt define his career or future whatsoever. He sucked. It happens. Sucks for him it happened on the biggest stage, but it wont define unless he lets it.

Now the problem with Goff was he was a terrible, yes TERRIBLE, QB after the KC game. I am not sure if he got hurt, if other teams figured the offense out, Gurleys injury impacted him as well...

But in the last 8 games, he had 7 TDs/8 INTs - and 4 of those TDs coming in a meaningless last game of the year against SF.


I think we saw the importance of Kupp. There is a real bond there between Goff and Kupp.
RE: RE: Goff didnít have good protection.  
GeorgeAdams33 : 2/5/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14287521 BlueLou'sBack said:
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To be fair, Eli got the shit kicked out of him in the 2011 nfc title game and still hung 24 pts on a great defense.

Eli was so fucking awesome that game. Most QBs shit the bed when pressured Eli was that night. Goff didnít even take that much pressure and he shit the bed. Eli was a God that night.



That was a very rare performance in league history. Possibly unique. One thing that stood out to me rewatching it recently was Eli's mobility within the pocket, just 2,3 steps and find a passing lane. It was very, very good. Has he lost that? I guess so.


WHAT POCKET??? THAT is what's wrong with this picture. Eli is still one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL when given a pocket and we haven't been able to count on that since our last Super Bowl run in 2011. The man's career has like two sides of a coin; first half with a very good offensive line and the second half of his career spent behind a long running joke that doesn't open any holes in the run game and continuously let's inside rushers disrupt the QB. I still remember that hit by Chris Baker. Eli has not been able to step up and throw comfortably in eight years.
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