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Another Barkley highlight reel and a pet peeve.

BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 5:03 am
I don't recall if this particular reel has been posted already, by MikeTooNice.

The peeve is this: guys who post "meh" about Sterling Shepard and think he's "easily replaceable." Well try watching carefully for #87 on every one of Barkley's highlight plays, especially the long ones. Barkley had 1,300 yards rushing, right? He had 7 plays of over 50 yards among those and his receiving plays.

He might not have had much more than 1K yards (rushing) without Shepard's blocking. I mean Shepard is really a stupendous blocker, and he gets after it like a mad dog. He's like the toy dog version of LT playing D, except his blocking on O.

He's even better than I thought, with multiple plays of blocking multiple guys on the same play, and he's not just nudging his opponents, he's blasting them. I've mentioned this before but it bears repeating. You win with guys like Shepard laced throughout your roster.
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Shep has always reminded me of a poor man's Hines Ward  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 8:30 am : link
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RE: Sheppard got a lot of recognition for his blocking....  
EricJ : 2/5/2019 8:44 am : link
In comment 14287632 Britt in VA said:
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However, as an outside receiver, he needs some work,


well, he is our slot receiver....
WR Blocking  
Mark in ATL : 2/5/2019 8:47 am : link
Some time ago someone posted a link to a video of Bradshaw and Jacob’s runs and I was impressed at how many times Hakeem Nicks showed up in the video. I think the Giants’ WR’s as a group block well. Wish we could find a more effective blocking TE or two. An improvement to the Patriots running game has been pulling Gronk in next to an OT.
No doubt, SS is our best blocking WR.....  
Doomster : 2/5/2019 9:13 am : link
But as a WR he just comes up short....he is is only a slot receiver and can't play outside with any efficiency....anytime OBJ is out, and he has to play wide out, his game drops off.....

But he comes up short on catches in the fourth quarter, time after time....he has not improved since his rookie year in receiving, that is his problem.....he has never taken that next step up, since being a rookie....

He doesn't get much separation, has no top end speed, and the drops/incompletions just seem to come at the most inopportune times.....and after 3 years, you would think he and Eli would be on the same page, but at crucial times they are not....

We have him on the cheap this coming season, but unless he shows some dramatic improvement, you draft a WR for 2020 to replace him, and don't overpay.....
RE: RE: Sheppard got a lot of recognition for his blocking....  
Britt in VA : 2/5/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14287663 EricJ said:
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In comment 14287632 Britt in VA said:


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However, as an outside receiver, he needs some work,



well, he is our slot receiver....


He plays on the outside a lot.
Thanks for sharing...  
Dan in the Springs : 2/5/2019 9:29 am : link
most comments about Shep - so I'll say that I'm glad we have him and hope he can be resigned affordably. We cannot have another large salary at the skill position given how much we've already given out.

Having said that, the video is great in that it covers so many great plays by Barkley. I wish the music track was a bit quieter though. There are amazing reactions by the announcers that should be easier to hear. There genuine reactions to his play really add to these kinds of clips.

The other thing is that watching this you might think it was a career highlight clip. Amazing it was only one year - his rookie year.

If we get him an offensive line - look out. Cannot even begin to imagine how good his career can be. So many plays that nobody else in the league makes.
RE: RE: RE: Sheppard got a lot of recognition for his blocking....  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 2/5/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14287680 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14287663 EricJ said:


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In comment 14287632 Britt in VA said:


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However, as an outside receiver, he needs some work,



well, he is our slot receiver....



He plays on the outside a lot.


I see a bit of Edelman in Shepard. His blocking is fantastic and he's been somewhat miscast here playing outside as much as he has. I feel like he could be deadly in the slot, but just doesn't have the flat out speed to be a real threat on the outside.
Dan,  
Doomster : 2/5/2019 9:41 am : link
that's why I say we fix the OL first.....I don't want to see this guy dodging bullets behind the LOS, anymore....

Let's make this offense score some points....we had a mediocre defense last season, and lost 8 out of 11 games by 7 points or less.....give Barkley holes, give Eli time(if he is still here), and this offense can do some serious damage.....I think we can win shoot outs....
I am not a SS guy whatsoever...  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 9:43 am : link
I think he is an outstanding blocker. Never said he wasnt.

However, when you are known more for your blocking than you are for your receiving skills, thats a huge problem. He is going to be a FA soon and is going to want to be paid.

His numbers are no better than Rueben Randle. He is easily replaceable as a WR.
Question is  
Dave in PA : 2/5/2019 9:44 am : link
When it comes time to re-sign him, are you comfortable paying him pretty decent money if his best skill as a receiver is his blocking? I’m not saying the answer to that is no, but his blocking makes him a really good value player on a rookie deal. Maybe not so much afterward
RE: Question is  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14287740 Dave in PA said:
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When it comes time to re-sign him, are you comfortable paying him pretty decent money if his best skill as a receiver is his blocking? I’m not saying the answer to that is no, but his blocking makes him a really good value player on a rookie deal. Maybe not so much afterward


Bingo. Burress, Toomer, Nicks, Smith were all outstanding blockers too. But they were known for making big catches time and time again.
Sterling Shepard was 26th in receiving yards in the whole NFL  
GoBlue6599 : 2/5/2019 10:52 am : link
Not bad for a guy on the same team as Barkley and OBJ not to mention average at best QB play so this myth he is not a good receiver is just that a myth.. When has BBI ever let facts get in the way of ripping one of our better players
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2019 10:53 am : link
Sterling Shepard is a winning player and a keeper - the Giants need to keep guys like this. He won't be expensive when his rookie deal is up, either.
RE: Sterling Shepard was 26th in receiving yards in the whole NFL  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14287840 GoBlue6599 said:
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Not bad for a guy on the same team as Barkley and OBJ not to mention average at best QB play so this myth he is not a good receiver is just that a myth.. When has BBI ever let facts get in the way of ripping one of our better players


Why dont you put up where yis yards per game ranked while being the teams number 1 WR for 1/4th of the season?

Its not ripping a player when its the truth....
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dep026 : 2/5/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14287843 arcarsenal said:
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Sterling Shepard is a winning player and a keeper - the Giants need to keep guys like this. He won't be expensive when his rookie deal is up, either.


He will cost more than he is worth - and is he really a "winning" player? He had some huge mistakes this year - especially late in the game.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2019 11:00 am : link
Yes, players who go above and beyond and impact the game in ways beyond just putting up stats are contributors and winning players.

He's not going to be expensive.

Some of you guys just want to let every freaking player go because the Giants have been bad. We have to actually keep some players and construct a roster.

If you let Shepard go, it's another hole and another very weak position with Beckham and a whole lot of nothing. How long are we going to play this game?
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dep026 : 2/5/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14287853 arcarsenal said:
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Yes, players who go above and beyond and impact the game in ways beyond just putting up stats are contributors and winning players.

He's not going to be expensive.

Some of you guys just want to let every freaking player go because the Giants have been bad. We have to actually keep some players and construct a roster.

If you let Shepard go, it's another hole and another very weak position with Beckham and a whole lot of nothing. How long are we going to play this game?


Agree to disagree on what he is going to get paid. If he were paid at a reasonable cost, then sure he should be re-signed. I dont see that happening though.

And I dont see SS as a winning player. I see winning players who make the plays when they matter the most. Steve Smith was a winning player. Edelman is a winning player.

And letting him go doesnt create another hole that cannot be filled. We have Engram - who is probably better suited for the slot anyways. We all know we need a better two-way TE. Let Engram go to the position where he can excel. I think he would be a much better slot player than SS.
I like Shep but I think he wants to get paid, like everyone else  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/5/2019 11:08 am : link
Let's see what he wants first before cutting the cord.

I do think guys like Shep are replaceable in every draft so its not worth breaking the bank.
I don't get the view  
Jay in Toronto : 2/5/2019 11:13 am : link
that he is a below average receiver.

Also he seems to know what to do once he has the ball.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2019 11:13 am : link
I don't think Engram is suited for the slot at all. He doesn't profile there and isn't a viable replacement for Shepard. If we're going to transition Engram to WR, he needs to use his size outside the hash marks.

Shepard will probably get a deal similar to what Richardson got from WSH.

How many plays were there to be made that "mattered the most" anyway? We've Seems like more of an anecdotal critique and not a legitimate knock.

I don't know why people are in such a rush to create new holes in the few places where we actually have viable, NFL-caliber starters.
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lax counsel : 2/5/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14287843 arcarsenal said:
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Sterling Shepard is a winning player and a keeper - the Giants need to keep guys like this. He won't be expensive when his rookie deal is up, either.


Outside of "historical" Eli Manning, and exempting the rookie class insofar as it was collectively their first year, is any player on the Giants really a "winning" player? This team is 8-24 over the past two years and finished the year 0-3, while blowing leads in the process. I am not sure how anyone could conclude that there are players on this team who aren't expendable and need to be resigned.
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2019 11:43 am : link
I'm actually not sure how anyone could not understand that you can have quality football players on bad football teams.

"Get rid of everyone who isn't Beckham, Barkley, Hernandez, and Hill" isn't a strategy. This isn't a video game where you just release the entire roster because you're annoyed and don't like losing.

Shepard was on the team and scored 8 times in 2016 when we won 11 games. I like how you conveniently made sure your 2 year sample omitted that.
I don't see Shep being re-signed.  
Brown Recluse : 2/5/2019 11:47 am : link
Everybody loves the guy. But I think some other team will pay more for his services.

I won't complain if they figure out a way to keep him, and I wouldn't rule it out entirely, but I just think its more likely he ends up some place else.

And I wouldn't be surprised if they drafted a guy this April to be the future slot guy.
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lax counsel : 2/5/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14287916 arcarsenal said:
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I'm actually not sure how anyone could not understand that you can have quality football players on bad football teams.

"Get rid of everyone who isn't Beckham, Barkley, Hernandez, and Hill" isn't a strategy. This isn't a video game where you just release the entire roster because you're annoyed and don't like losing.

Shepard was on the team and scored 8 times in 2016 when we won 11 games. I like how you conveniently made sure your 2 year sample omitted that.


Its not that he shouldn't be resigned, its that at what price to do we say these players are expendable, especially given all of the losing that has occurred?
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arcarsenal : 2/5/2019 12:11 pm : link
Thing is - you're going down a dangerous path when you start assigning equal blame to each player on the roster based on the team record.

I wouldn't back up a Brinks truck for Shep - I just don't think he will be as expensive as others do. I'd obviously have a point where I'd say "no, that's too much" - but we already have so many holes to fill and only a finite number of picks and cap capital to fill them with.

Letting Shepard walk at the end of his deal basically assures that we'll need to spend another premium pick @ WR. I'd prefer to not keep adding things to that list if possible.

Shep is a solid WR who gives 100%. We should want more players who are leaving it out on the field - not less.
And not one  
kennyd : 2/5/2019 12:24 pm : link
turnover. The guy is amazing

I'm a fan of Shepard, especially his blocking. If you watch that video, he jumps up after some of those blocks like he just scored a TD. He really seems to love it and that's 90% of WR blocking
Another interesting view in that video...  
Dan in the Springs : 2/5/2019 12:26 pm : link
that I missed when it happened was Eli's reaction when Saquon skied into the end zone and was flipped over. Eli after the hand off was standing watching, when he saw SB go down he took off running to him. You only get to see it in the first angle, but how cool was it to see that reaction - genuine concern for his teammate.
Nice video  
mrvax : 2/5/2019 12:37 pm : link
and to pile on Shepard, I noticed that Shep is smart enough to avoid clipping during some blocking attempts.
After his first four years, Edelman accrued these stats:  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 1:49 pm : link
Games 48
Rec. 69
Yds. 714
YPC. 10.0
TDs. 4

Lucky for the Patriots they didn't let him walk.

Shepard accomplished more in each of his first 3 years than Edleman did his entire rookie contract.

BTW if you bothered to study it you'd discover that Plax (as a Giant), Nicks and most of Dep's list were poor blockers excepting Steve Smith. But don't let facts get in the way of your staunch position.

And even Smith, a very good blocking WR, wasn't Shep as a blocker. Shep should be kept, not at a pro bowler contract, but he should be kept. No one is going to pay him the moon, I suspect that's a false narrative.
To fill out Edelman's starts lines for all 4 years.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 2:16 pm : link
1st downs 34
20+ yds. 6
40+ yds. 2
fumbles. 0

Through SS's 3 years:
1st downs.125
20+. 25
40+. 6
fumbles. 1

Career wise, counting Edleman's recent years at his peak, Shepard generates a higher % of first downs per catch.

Oh and Edelman has the GOAT throwing to him.
RE: Another interesting view in that video...  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14287970 Dan in the Springs said:
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that I missed when it happened was Eli's reaction when Saquon skied into the end zone and was flipped over. Eli after the hand off was standing watching, when he saw SB go down he took off running to him. You only get to see it in the first angle, but how cool was it to see that reaction - genuine concern for his teammate.


Nice catch. There's lots of good in that Barkley tape.
Toomer and Burress were poor blockers?  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 2:19 pm : link
I dont think so.
RE: One of the comments on the video  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14287608 colin said:
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“He had 94 broken tackles this year. The next closest was 62,” by Christian McCaffrey. That is an incredible stat.

I tried searching it and couldn’t find it, but does anyone know the single season record?


Nice catch. Huge difference between #1 and #2 broken tackles there. Wowza!
RE: Toomer and Burress were poor blockers?  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14288111 dep026 said:
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I dont think so.


Toomer I never paid attention to. Burress stunk. I studied his blocking plenty cause I was a huge AB fan. Down field, he'd maybe be looking to sheild a defender, but more likely just staying out of AB's way. He was nothing like Shepard. Yeah he had a rep for blocking, maybe that came over from Pittsburgh or his college tape, not with the Giants.

Go watch an AB highlights reel and tell me how often you see Burress blocking aggressively.
RE: After his first four years, Edelman accrued these stats:  
Brown Recluse : 2/5/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14288062 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Games 48
Rec. 69
Yds. 714
YPC. 10.0
TDs. 4

Lucky for the Patriots they didn't let him walk.

Shepard accomplished more in each of his first 3 years than Edleman did his entire rookie contract.

BTW if you bothered to study it you'd discover that Plax (as a Giant), Nicks and most of Dep's list were poor blockers excepting Steve Smith. But don't let facts get in the way of your staunch position.

And even Smith, a very good blocking WR, wasn't Shep as a blocker. Shep should be kept, not at a pro bowler contract, but he should be kept. No one is going to pay him the moon, I suspect that's a false narrative.


The Julian Edelman comparison isn't a comparison at all.

RE: RE: Toomer and Burress were poor blockers?  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14288119 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14288111 dep026 said:


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I dont think so.



Toomer I never paid attention to. Burress stunk. I studied his blocking plenty cause I was a huge AB fan. Down field, he'd maybe be looking to sheild a defender, but more likely just staying out of AB's way. He was nothing like Shepard. Yeah he had a rep for blocking, maybe that came over from Pittsburgh or his college tape, not with the Giants.

Go watch an AB highlights reel and tell me how often you see Burress blocking aggressively.


Well Burress was only on the team with Bradshaw (Ill assume you mean Bradshaw?) for less than 2 years, bot hyears in which he played hurt with his ankle. So you could be correct that he blocked poorly for him, I will take your word for it.

But I remember during Tiki's years, he was a beast of a blocker. Very willing and made a lot of downfield blocks. Toomer was another excellent blocker.

The one thing that has always stood out to me for Giants WRs is that they are capable and WILLING blockers. OBJ blocks like an animal. Shepard does too.

But I think your dismissing Toomer and Burress a lot by saying they were poor blockers.
Remarkable  
speedywheels : 2/5/2019 2:40 pm : link
As much shit as the OL gets - and all of it deserved - there were a significant number of runs where he was untouched getting to the 2nd level.

Of course, a significant number of runs were also him initially getting blown up at the line and he had to work his magic to make something out of nothing.

But credit where credit is due - OL did a nice job on a lot of those runs (in addition to the excellent downfield blocking by the WR's as already mentioned)
Toomer was always a great blocker.  
Brown Recluse : 2/5/2019 2:43 pm : link
I don't know if Burress was a good blocker on a consistent basis. He definitely could be when he wanted to, but I do remember that he hated doing it. If I recall correctly, he even called a meeting with Tom Coughlin to tell him how much he hated running decoy routes and blocking. He was always a bit of a knucklehead though (shooting yourself in the leg does little to dispell that claim)
Comparing Edelman to Shepard?  
Doomster : 2/5/2019 4:29 pm : link
To fill out Edelman's starts lines for all 4 years.
BlueLou'sBack : 2:16 pm : link : reply
1st downs 34
20+ yds. 6
40+ yds. 2
fumbles. 0

Through SS's 3 years:
1st downs.125
20+. 25
40+. 6
fumbles. 1

How in the world do you do that?

Shepard was second round pick, Edelman a 7th....

In his first 4 years, Edelman started 13 games...

In his 3 seasons, Shepard started 42 games....

Giants could have had him in 2014 when he visited them...they didn't even make an offer...
Dep, maybe Plax was much better his first two years with  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 4:45 pm : link
the Giants, but he left a lot to be desired from 2007 on. Some say he was a warrior playing through injury... Tough to know what his real story was. I just judge from what I saw on the field.
RE: I have no issues with Shep.  
Bluesbreaker : 2/5/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14287605 SHO'NUFF said:
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Love me some Shep.


Same here he is likable and firey . I bet the Patriots
would love to have him . I am more concerned about OBJ
getting back to where he was .Not to mention the
injuries ...
RE: RE: Sterling Shepard was 26th in receiving yards in the whole NFL  
GoBlue6599 : 2/5/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14287846 dep026 said:
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In comment 14287840 GoBlue6599 said:


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Not bad for a guy on the same team as Barkley and OBJ not to mention average at best QB play so this myth he is not a good receiver is just that a myth.. When has BBI ever let facts get in the way of ripping one of our better players



Why dont you put up where yis yards per game ranked while being the teams number 1 WR for 1/4th of the season?

Its not ripping a player when its the truth....

Here is the truth he was top 26 in the NFL in receiving yards on a team where the QB play was shaky at best not to mention having to get his playing on a Offense with OBJ and Saquon who both catch a ton of balls
Not bad for guy you claim is pedestrian but then again what do you know
Maybe Eli was below average  
dep026 : 2/5/2019 5:13 pm : link
Because teams doubled OBJ and SS couldn’t win a. 1 on 1 downfield? Shit at least Rueben Randle won occasionally.

Maybe next year...
Just to toot my own horn a little  
steve in ky : 2/5/2019 5:19 pm : link
Prior to the season I predicted Shepard was going to open things up for Barkley.

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He has been involved nicely blocking in the running game so far
steve in ky : 8/30/2018 4:27 pm : link
this preseason.

I think he will have a nice season catching the ball because Eli seems to trust him and they have played enough together to be one the same page. But I think he is going to throw some nice blocks for Barkley this season which will really help this team this season and that will help complete his game as a receiver.
RE: Just to toot my own horn a little  
arcarsenal : 2/5/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14288366 steve in ky said:
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Prior to the season I predicted Shepard was going to open things up for Barkley.



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He has been involved nicely blocking in the running game so far
steve in ky : 8/30/2018 4:27 pm : link
this preseason.

I think he will have a nice season catching the ball because Eli seems to trust him and they have played enough together to be one the same page. But I think he is going to throw some nice blocks for Barkley this season which will really help this team this season and that will help complete his game as a receiver.



Nice call, Steve.

Shep definitely did not take running downs off - that's for sure.
People love lunch pail plays  
widmerseyebrow : 2/5/2019 6:50 pm : link
But Nicks was a good blocker. Plaxico was a great blocker. Toomer was a good blocker. You can find dynamic receivers that can also block.

Shepherd is basically a lesser Ike Hilliard as a receiver. I don't think that wins us a Super Bowl even if Beckham is the other receiver. The defenses in the deep playoffs are just too good.

We need to stop paying good money to above average players.
If Rueben randle played in 2018  
UConn4523 : 2/5/2019 7:19 pm : link
he’d be at best the 3rd WR and his mental mistakes would likely get him benched and possibly demoted. Quoting Randles stats from almost 5 years ago when Eli was a much better QB is absolutely pointless. Shepard will also be getting another contract, no one wanted Randle when the Giants let him go.

Horrendous comparison.
RE: People love lunch pail plays  
arcarsenal : 2/5/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14288405 widmerseyebrow said:
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But Nicks was a good blocker. Plaxico was a great blocker. Toomer was a good blocker. You can find dynamic receivers that can also block.

Shepherd is basically a lesser Ike Hilliard as a receiver. I don't think that wins us a Super Bowl even if Beckham is the other receiver. The defenses in the deep playoffs are just too good.

We need to stop paying good money to above average players.


Weird post.

I don't see much Hilliard in Shepards game at all and the Patriots just won a SB without a WR even as good as Beckham is, so I don't really get that point either.

Was I dreaming or did the Eagles just beat the Patriots a year ago with Jeffery, Torrey Smith and Nelson Agholor? And a backup QB, nonetheless...

There are different ways to win Super Bowls. You don't necessarily have to have a loaded WR corps to do it and most teams that win don't have that.

Our trio of Nicks, Cruz, and Manningham was probably one of the best groups to win in the last decade.

32 year old Anquan Boldin was the Ravens leading receiver in 2012 and they won the Super Bowl.
There are several people here touting the blocking  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 8:26 pm : link
Of Nicks, Toomer, Plax. Show me the Tiki Barber or Bradshaw or Earth Wind and Fire highlights film that shows those guys committing to run blocking a la Shepard. I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong and any of them were "great blockers".

Please link the tape that shows it. I did, and Shepard is all over Saquon's highlights like white on rice.

Now consider that this team as constructed is best functioning at 40 running plays and 30 passing attempts per game, especially if you consider RB screens more of a run than a true pass attempt. You want and need WRs who are excellent blockers to make this O go. It's not an easily replaceable skill. It's really not at all an easily replaceable attitude.
Steve in KY.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/5/2019 8:28 pm : link
Great observation and prediction!
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