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DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:11 am
-58 mins ago via Sporting News
Saric could find himself on the trade block by Thursday. The Wolves likely would prefer to wait until the offseason to make a trade involving what was supposed to be the most valuable piece they got in return for Butler, but according to one league executive, He could be had for a decent offer, a first-rounder and a player.

-58 mins ago via ESPN
Brian Windhorst: Jeremy Lin is out there. I think there is a good chance Jeremy Lin is going to get traded to somebody who needs a quality guard.

(Linsanity aside, Jeremy Lin is a solid NBA guard. People often refuse to acknowledge this given his time here. Don't look now but the Hawks could be a team to watch quicker than we think. TONS of picks, Trae Young is legit, Collins is one of the most underrated young bigs in the league, Huerter is having a solid age 20 season. I'm not saying it happens overnight but they are a team to watch.

-Brian Windhorst mentioned that New York plans to keep the two-time NBA rebounding leader, though many have expected Jordan to end up as a buyout candidate (via ESPN):

One thing Ill say about the Knicks: theyre making it look like they intend to keep DeAndre Jordan. You can extrapolate this out: [He] has a relationship with Kevin Durant. Although I dont know how [the Knicks can retain the big man]. I mean, they cant keep him at any real number.


But one more-modern legend says that Hardens ball-dominant style during the streak, while impressive and perhaps even necessary, will not help the Rockets win an NBA title. Surprisingly that legend is Kobe Bryant Im not a fan of in terms of winning championships, I dont think that style is ever going to win championships, Bryant, the former Los Angeles Lakers star said in a clip released from an upcoming episode of ESPNs The Jump. via USA Today Sports
There's only so much I'd be willing to pay DeAndre Jordan.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/5/2019 9:14 am : link
He's not star by any stretch. I'm not sure what the number is but Jordan can't be making any kind of money that interferes with the overall plan. You can't overpay for rebounding and garbage man around the basket points.
RE: There's only so much I'd be willing to pay DeAndre Jordan.  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14287679 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's not star by any stretch. I'm not sure what the number is but Jordan can't be making any kind of money that interferes with the overall plan. You can't overpay for rebounding and garbage man around the basket points.


you would hope he would take less to play with 2 stars like west did with warriors...

i am sure knicks asked him if he would be interested
If we get KD and Kyrie  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 9:23 am : link
then I think someone posted that we get a "room" exception for $4.6 mil. I think that is the best we can offer.
They can't be done  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 9:25 am : link
Kanter? Lance? Even Matthews. The first two for sure cannot be on this team.
RE: If we get KD and Kyrie  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14287689 robbieballs2003 said:
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then I think someone posted that we get a "room" exception for $4.6 mil. I think that is the best we can offer.


I realize some guys have gone it to ring chase but that seems exceedingly low for Jordan. He's only 30 and still a good player. You never know but that would be pretty wild.
The Knicks have been done  
Doomster : 2/5/2019 9:30 am : link
since the 72-73 season.....

Just 2 trips to the finals in the last 45 years? For a New York team? They are the joke of the NBA, year after year.....

Caz, Bill, Earl, Walt, Willis.....distant memories....

Maybe getting Ewing was the kiss of death for this franchise?
If Jordan would be willing to do that then  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 9:34 am : link
off the top of my head we'd have

Jordan/Robinson
KD
Knox/Thomas
Trier/Dotson
Kyrie/Frank/DSJ

We'd have a spot for our 1st round pick. That brings us to 11 players. We have a second round pick or vet mins after that. I think this is correct.

Zion would fit perfect in this lineup and allow KD to bounce back and forth between the 3 and 4 positions. One can only hope. This team definitely needs help though. I wonder what kind of vets we could get to come in on vet min deals to really help out.
RE: RE: If we get KD and Kyrie  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14287692 DanMetroMan said:
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then I think someone posted that we get a "room" exception for $4.6 mil. I think that is the best we can offer.



I realize some guys have gone it to ring chase but that seems exceedingly low for Jordan. He's only 30 and still a good player. You never know but that would be pretty wild.


Oh, it is extremely low for him. Odds are it won't happen but I think that is the best we can offer. But I am no cap expert.
Also,  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 9:38 am : link
what if Jordan were to take that 4.6 million deal (if that is correct) for one year? Can we then go way over that to sign him in year 2? I mean by year 2 (big assumption we get KD and KI) then we will be over the cap and not likely to sign anybody else on Jordan's level.
Would  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:38 am : link
love to find a way to move Frank or DSJ in a deal for Bamba. I'm not confident any of the PG's on the roster are good starting NBA PG's and Bamba is from Harlem, averaging 6 and 5 with 1.4 blocks in only 16 minutes. He's quietly been very solid. Who knows what the roster looks like next year but he and Mitch would make a fun 4/5.
Jordan  
TyreeHelmet : 2/5/2019 9:38 am : link
Has really fallen off this year. Hes still a decent center, but not close to the level he was at a few seasons ago. In a perfect world, him and Matthews would be nice role players next season. Not sure how thats possible with the cap.
Thanks for the roundup.  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 9:40 am : link
I dont know if I agree that Young is legit. Hes getting better as the season goes on but hes shooting 30% from 3 and hes such a net negative on defense that hes got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesnt have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.
suppodedly  
Enzo : 2/5/2019 9:40 am : link
there is going to be a glut of free agents this summer. Almost half the league can be free agents. So there may be vets who have to take small deals, even if it's only for one year.
RE: Thanks for the roundup.  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14287732 Strahan91 said:
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I dont know if I agree that Young is legit. Hes getting better as the season goes on but hes shooting 30% from 3 and hes such a net negative on defense that hes got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesnt have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.


Check Trae Young over the past 20+ games. January he averaged 19 and 7, 4 boards on 34% from 3 (not great but creeping up) and now in Feb 22, 9 and 5 (3 games) on 39% from 3. Considering the kid is 2 months younger than Frank, I'm pretty confident at worst he's a good NBA player if not more. And for all this talk about his defensive issues.. his dRtg is 116... Frank career? 113...
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:51 am : link
reportedly have made all pending FA's available for 2nd rounders including Jordan.
DSJ  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:54 am : link
for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...
RE: Knicks  
TommyWiseau : 2/5/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14287749 DanMetroMan said:
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reportedly have made all pending FA's available for 2nd rounders including Jordan.


Good, hope someone bites. DSJ for Bamba would be fantastic. Maybe sweeten the deal with some 2nd round picks if we acquire them
RE: DSJ  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14287754 DanMetroMan said:
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for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...


Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ
RE: RE: DSJ  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14287768 Anakim said:
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for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...



Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ


I doubt it. They reportedly coveted DSJ which is why Bamba for DSJ (now that we have DSJ) actually makes sense for both sides.
pelicans told anthony davis  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 10:11 am : link
he was not playing last night according to haynes
RE: Thanks for the roundup.  
Mike in NJ : 2/5/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14287732 Strahan91 said:
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I dont know if I agree that Young is legit. Hes getting better as the season goes on but hes shooting 30% from 3 and hes such a net negative on defense that hes got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesnt have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.


Young's calling card coming into the league was supposed to be his shooting. The fact that he is playing as well as he as thus far, and only shooting low 30s from 3, should make Atlanta very optimistic about his future prospects. You figure at some point the shooting % is going to rise back to the mean making him even more dangerous.
RE: pelicans told anthony davis  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14287777 nygiants16 said:
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he was not playing last night according to haynes


Per the article he will be allowed to rejoin the team once the deadline passes.
Reportedly  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:17 am : link
the Pelicans "expect" 4 1sts in any offer (in addition to young talent).
RE: RE: RE: DSJ  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14287771 DanMetroMan said:
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for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...



Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ



I doubt it. They reportedly coveted DSJ which is why Bamba for DSJ (now that we have DSJ) actually makes sense for both sides.


Sounds fair. I'd do that.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:20 am : link
The Los Angeles Lakers have discussed a deal involving Kentavious Caldwell-Pope moving to the Chicago Bulls for Jabari Parker, according to Brian Windhorst.

Lamar  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:22 am : link
openly said he doesn't want Lonzo in New Orleans and wants him in Phoenix.
i would rather keep dennis smith jr  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 10:27 am : link
and frank rather than trade for bamba, but that is just me
A HUGE yes from me  
Shecky : 2/5/2019 10:28 am : link
For Mo Bamba!!!!!!

Harder to find, perfect complimentary player to two max contract stars. Same with keeping Frank over DSJ, if thats what it would take to get him.
RE: The Knicks have been done  
djm : 2/5/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14287705 Doomster said:
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since the 72-73 season.....

Just 2 trips to the finals in the last 45 years? For a New York team? They are the joke of the NBA, year after year.....

Caz, Bill, Earl, Walt, Willis.....distant memories....

Maybe getting Ewing was the kiss of death for this franchise?


Fresh take.
RE: i would rather keep dennis smith jr  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14287807 nygiants16 said:
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and frank rather than trade for bamba, but that is just me


Bamba has quietly been very good all things considered. WS/48 .098. Frank has been awful and DSJ is extremely flawed. Odds are very low either is the starting PG for a title contender. Bamba very possibly could be that given his defense and rebounding
Not if Kyrie is coming  
Carl in CT : 2/5/2019 10:33 am : link
You do the trade for Bamba.
PS  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:33 am : link
Bamba is shooting 30% from 3... Frank...29% OOF
I'd add a 2nd  
Pep22 : 2/5/2019 10:44 am : link
and/or Dotson to do a DSJ for Bamba trade

...and I like Dotson.
Seems a bit trade happy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/5/2019 10:48 am : link
I don't love Smith but he's got more upside at a high value position and he's insanely young. We quit far too early on players in the NBA for unknown reasons. He's nowhere near a finished product.
RE: Seems a bit trade happy  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14287833 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't love Smith but he's got more upside at a high value position and he's insanely young. We quit far too early on players in the NBA for unknown reasons. He's nowhere near a finished product.



You're not wrong, but if Irving comes here, he'll be expendable
RE: RE: Seems a bit trade happy  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 10:54 am : link
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I don't love Smith but he's got more upside at a high value position and he's insanely young. We quit far too early on players in the NBA for unknown reasons. He's nowhere near a finished product.




You're not wrong, but if Irving comes here, he'll be expendable


you know you will need a backup point...

i also thjnk frank becomes more valuable on a winning team
Has Bamba been bad?  
Oscar : 2/5/2019 10:58 am : link
Why would Orlando be looking to trade otherwise? I know they have other players as his position but they knew that pre-draft.
Vucevic  
Pep22 : 2/5/2019 11:07 am : link
has been very good and they haven't had a lead guard since Penny Hardaway
if Frank can add a 3 PT shot  
giants#1 : 2/5/2019 11:18 am : link
(big IF at this point), he's a great fit with KD and KI. Don't need scoring or another guy creating with those 2, just need someone that can make Ds pay when left alone. And Frank's D would help cover up some of KI's issues at that end.
I said it yesterday...  
moze1021 : 2/5/2019 11:18 am : link
Any trade Knicks make should meet 3 objectives:

1) Pick up draft picks (2nd rounder all can hope for)
2) Do not take back any guaranteed money for 2019-20
3) Do not add any players that will contribute positive on-court performance this year

Moze  
Carl in CT : 2/5/2019 11:31 am : link
Thats been the objective since last year.
RE: RE: Thanks for the roundup.  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14287743 DanMetroMan said:
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I dont know if I agree that Young is legit. Hes getting better as the season goes on but hes shooting 30% from 3 and hes such a net negative on defense that hes got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesnt have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.



Check Trae Young over the past 20+ games. January he averaged 19 and 7, 4 boards on 34% from 3 (not great but creeping up) and now in Feb 22, 9 and 5 (3 games) on 39% from 3. Considering the kid is 2 months younger than Frank, I'm pretty confident at worst he's a good NBA player if not more. And for all this talk about his defensive issues.. his dRtg is 116... Frank career? 113...

He's hot right now but so was Knox a few months ago. Maybe he keeps it up, maybe he doesn't. I guess that's to say, I'm not ready to say either way what Young is. Regarding his defense, dRtg is a flawed stat. Not criticizing your use of it because there isn't really a great way to measure defensive impact but iirc, dRtg measures defensive impact using steals/blocks/defensive rebounds and your team's total points allowed when you're on the floor. Frank has spent two years playing with atrocious defensive players.

I pay $5 for Cleaning The Glass, looking quickly at Frank vs Young, the opposing team's eFG% is higher with Young on the floor vs off whereas both this year and last it's lower when Frank's in the game. Ditto for transition points. Further, last year the Knicks allowed 2.5 less pts/possesion with Frank on the floor, Atl allows 2.1 more with Young on the floor, Frank 1.1 this year.

I won't argue Frank has been nearly as good on defense this year as he was last year. He's mostly average to poor out there. Personally I think it's mental due to his struggles on offense but that's another conversation. Anyways, I don't mean to be argumentative and hope it's not received as such. I just enjoy geeking out over this stuff.
RE: Has Bamba been bad?  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14287850 Oscar said:
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Why would Orlando be looking to trade otherwise? I know they have other players as his position but they knew that pre-draft.

There are two reasons I think. The first is that Vucevic has been fantastic and they would like to resign him. The second is that the Magic have been an abomination when Isaac and Bamba are on the floor at the same time which wasn't expected at least on defense given the length of both guys. Since Bamba was a more recent pick, my guess is they feel like they can get more for him than Isaac at this point. Either that or they prefer Isaac.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 11:58 am : link
Didn't take it that way at all. In fact I didn't want the Knicks to draft young and they will need to absolutely nail the Mavs pick for the Luka deal not to look really bad. I just think Young has shown some real positive signs and should at minimum be solid with a shot to be better than some (myself included) expected ie all-star
RE: Moze  
moze1021 : 2/5/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14287899 Carl in CT said:
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Thats been the objective since last year.


Well I read a lot of folks here talking about adding young assets... so not everyone agrees.

Also a bit worried about the reports out there saying Knicks will just hold on to Matthews and Jordan. Hoping that's just trying to get leverage... but if they really do, just gotta hope Fizdale gives them the Kanter treatment.

I'm not sure how many wins the Knicks can afford. The Suns are not playing around...
Would  
Jon in NYC : 2/5/2019 12:09 pm : link
carry Frank to the airport like a newborn baby if that's what it took to trade him for Mo Bamba. What a great fit next to a two ball dominant superstar lineup.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 12:18 pm : link
really sure why this is "trade happy". Bamba is 20 years old and having a very solid rookie campaign. DSJ is a year older. That's not to say he can't develop but I'm not really clear as to why him potentially improving makes him a better piece to have. Everyone is dreaming of Irving and Durant or even just Durant and someone else.. in these scenario DSJ is NOT a good fit other than maybe a scoring backup. Bamba's skill set fits any scenario going forward.
Bamba  
TyreeHelmet : 2/5/2019 12:30 pm : link
-Id flip DSJ for Bamba. Like that trade alot.

- If Im the Lakers I would offer all the young guys and 4 1sts. But if Im trading 4 1sts Im not taking back Solomon Hill. Lakers would be very dangerous this summer with Lebron and AD with cap space. And there is risk for the Pelicans in waiting.


Lavar-  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 12:46 pm : link
"Luke Walton was the worst coach he ever had. It was Magic [Johnson] who said he was going to be the dang face of the franchise. But Magic ain't doing no coaching. And the only person to kill Lonzo is the coach pulling him out and not having no confidence in him. Everyone who's had confidence in Lonzo just let him go and let him win. That's what he does. He wins. Luke Walton turned him into a loser. A loser's mentality is like, 'Oh, he's young, he'll get it.' Instead of just letting him go out there and do what he does."

"AD is good!" Ball said. "But he's not a winner. How many playoff games has he won? He's been in the league a long time, there's a difference between players and winners."
Is there a Gofundme I can donate to that will send Lavar back to  
Really : 2/5/2019 12:53 pm : link
where ever he's been for the last year or so?

Wall  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 1:05 pm : link
to be out 12 months wow. Disaster.
here's a Knicks footnote from ESPN:  
Del Shofner : 2/5/2019 1:12 pm : link
Plus-Minus Players of the Week

Mr. Plus: Khris Middleton (MIL) was a plus-61 in three games last week.

Mr. Minus: Damyean Dotson (NYK) was a minus-53 in four games last week.
RE: Wall  
TyreeHelmet : 2/5/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14287999 DanMetroMan said:
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to be out 12 months wow. Disaster.


Worst contract in maybe all of sports. That deal kills that franchise.
RE: Is there a Gofundme I can donate to that will send Lavar back to  
giants#1 : 2/5/2019 1:18 pm : link
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where ever he's been for the last year or so?


Let him stir shit for LA!
Future draft picks or not  
Mike in NJ : 2/5/2019 1:29 pm : link
I can't see that Lakers offer being the best New Orleans can get for Anthony Davis. Having Davis locked up for the next half dozen years or more pretty much guarantees that none of those future 1sts from LA is going to be very high.

The marquee piece of the trade would be Brandon Ingram, who is now in year 3 and basically shown nothing to make you think he is potentially anything more than a borderline All-Star at best. Kyle Kuzma is very overrated off of a fast start to his rookie year, he has been an average player over the last year and a half. They already have a better 6'9'' ex-Laker on the roster in Julius Randle. As for Ball, he has underperformed compared to expectations, comes with a ton of baggage, and clearly has no interest in being in New Orleans.

It makes so much more sense for them to just wait it out and see what else they can get. The possibility of Boston including Tatum or the Knicks with their draft pick is much more appealing than the pupu platter from the Lakers.

Just comparing it to what the Knicks could offer, factoring age/years left of team control/upside, is Knox that far off in value than Ingram? I don't think so. And similarly, is their that big of a difference at this point between Ball and Dennis Smith? Factor in the Knicks 2019 pick, the unprotected Dallas pick, and someone like Mitch Robinson, I think I would prefer a Knicks offer to what the Lakers can give them.
Some thoughts on what is going on behind the scenes  
Pan-handler : 2/5/2019 1:45 pm : link
On the trade rumored for KP going to the Pels for Davis that got shot down by DlNew Orleans: Whats not talked about is the trade likely involved salary dumps that they didnt want...i.e. Lee and Hardaway. They also probably thought KP wouldnt sign with him long term or maybe even didnt like his prospects of staying healthy with his body type/ injury history.

Knicks also likely werent going to trade for him while giving up on both KD and Kyrie. So by making the trade with Dallas they cleared the space for KD and Kyrie, acquired 2 1st rd picks and some half decent tradeable young, cost controlled talent in DSJ. Now with that bird hopefully in hand, they maybe behind the scenes are still trying for AD but it depends on what Pels value most.

NYK arent going to give up the 2 max slots for AD (would we give up 1 max? that I dont know ,probably not if KD wants Kyrie) . If we need both maxes in tact, then it comes down to would Pels be willing to take our young cost controlled trio and maybe even Thomas. Because we need to shed almost ALL contracts that go into 2019-20 to be able to sign all 3. Would four first rounders + Knox, Frank, Tier, DSJ and Thomas be a good enough pkg to appeal more than the Lakers package?

The other way this works is if we trade for AD AFTER we signed KD and Kyrie. We would then by CBA rules be allowed to go over cap if we came within 20% of his 27 million owed for 2019-20 in contracts going back.

But Pels seem ready to move him now. If they dont , we could be in pretty good shape to make the deal especially if we net out with a top 3 pick (and they really like 2 others of the top 3 aside obviously Zion)
If Lakers trade for AD, will they have room for another max?  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/5/2019 2:07 pm : link
I am still worried that the Knicks wont get two max players to come.
RE: If Lakers trade for AD, will they have room for another max?  
Pan-handler : 2/5/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14288089 Jim in Hoboken said:
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I am still worried that the Knicks wont get two max players to come.


This feels different than previous years there is so much smoke about KD to the Knicks (kinda like we heard about LeBron to the Lakers so much). Culture has changed , a player coach that players around the league love, and we cleared the room for him and another max.

RE: RE: If Lakers trade for AD, will they have room for another max?  
hitdog42 : 2/5/2019 2:17 pm : link
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I am still worried that the Knicks wont get two max players to come.



This feels different than previous years there is so much smoke about KD to the Knicks (kinda like we heard about LeBron to the Lakers so much). Culture has changed , a player coach that players around the league love, and we cleared the room for him and another max.


culture has changed

- owner bans the media
- team trades one time cornerstone in disgruntled manner
- another player campaigns daily against his lack of playing time
- first round pick from 2yrs ago was stuck on bench, hasnt improved
- team runs no offense- iso aau ball.

someone sounds bitter  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 2:24 pm : link
Nets are supposed to be having this resurgancr, yet not a single superstar wants to go there
RE: RE: RE: If Lakers trade for AD, will they have room for another max?  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 2:29 pm : link
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I am still worried that the Knicks wont get two max players to come.



This feels different than previous years there is so much smoke about KD to the Knicks (kinda like we heard about LeBron to the Lakers so much). Culture has changed , a player coach that players around the league love, and we cleared the room for him and another max.




culture has changed

- owner bans a single tabloid
- team trades one time cornerstone who was disgruntled because his brother is his agent who is less qualified than the food vendors at MSG
- a whack job campaigns daily against his lack of playing time who is under contract and OPTED into said contract
- first round pick from 2yrs ago was stuck on bench after getting lots of playing time because he hasnt improved like most teams who fail at the draft often because it's a crapshoot
- team runs no offense- iso aau ball. coach is so bad that even future HOFers Lebron James and Dwyane Wade have often sung his praises.

fixed that for you. I don't understand Nets' fans obsession with the Knicks. I don't know any Knicks fans who consider the Nets a rival or who gives a crap about what they do.
RE: someone sounds bitter  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14288116 nygiants16 said:
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Nets are supposed to be having this resurgancr, yet not a single superstar wants to go there

Of course not. They're technically in New York but the fanbase and number of fans in the stands are more like the Pelicans or the Jazz than the Knicks.
reports  
Steve in Greenwich : 2/5/2019 2:35 pm : link
are out that the Lakers have pulled out from trying to make a trade with the Pelicans now since the Pelicans trade demands are outrageous.... as they probably should be in order to not wait out til the summer.
Hoopshype  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 2:40 pm : link
had a link I can't find right now saying NO asked for the Lakers next 4 available 1sts, their next 4 2nds + Kuzma, Ball, Zubac and off-setting salary.
RE: someone sounds bitter  
hitdog42 : 2/5/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14288116 nygiants16 said:
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Nets are supposed to be having this resurgancr, yet not a single superstar wants to go there


no bitterness at all. what did i say that wasnt a fact?

i hope the knicks get the FAs they want. would be good for the league. Nets are doing there own thing- and will be just fine.

the loose usage of the culture change- i just find comical.
Excellent KP info from Stein, who's been all over it...  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2019 2:41 pm : link
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A person with knowledge of the meeting, however, said it was requested by the Porzingis brothers after they had canceled a similar meeting earlier in January and that it lasted less than five minutes. Later in the day, according to the person, Janis Porzingis provided the Knicks with a list of four teams he and Kristaps had deemed acceptable trade destinations.
The Nets and the Los Angeles Clippers were among those teams, but Dallas was not on the list. The Knicks, meanwhile, were told Porzingis was prepared to leave the team and continue his knee rehabilitation in Spain if he was not moved by this weeks league trade deadline.
It was not long after receiving the four-team list that the Knicks notified the Mavericks they were prepared to do the deal. The maverick nature of Cuban and Nelson prompted Dallas to accept the trade with no guarantees of a long-term commitment from Porzingis since they believe they can persuade the 7-foot-3 Latvian to commit to a future in North Texas.

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RE: reports  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14288138 Steve in Greenwich said:
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are out that the Lakers have pulled out from trying to make a trade with the Pelicans now since the Pelicans trade demands are outrageous.... as they probably should be in order to not wait out til the summer.


Steve,
If you are quoting Brandon Robinson he's a proven fraud.
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DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 2:42 pm : link
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Would an offer of Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (w/ Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas salary filler), and 3 future first-round selections -
be more enticing to the Pelicans than the package the Lakers are currently offering?
these reports  
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The Lakers are still glad to engage with the Pelicans on an Anthony Davis trade, but no longer want to bid against themselves, league sources tell ESPN. Lakers are waiting for Pelicans to make a counter-proposal.
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DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 2:44 pm : link
Turner is legit. Writes for the LA Times. He "confirms" the pick request stuff too

"The Lakers were not going to give the Pelicans the six to eight draft picks they wanted for Davis, the person said, knowing that the four first-round picks and second-round picks were more than the Lakers would offer."
There's bad blood between the Pelicans and Rob Pelinka  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2019 2:48 pm : link
dating back to his days as an agent - this is no sure thing for the Lakers. Unfortunately for the Knicks, the Celtics are the most viable alternative come June/July.
some more details on KP trade  
Enzo : 2/5/2019 3:00 pm : link
in the latest Marc Stein newsletter (which is always a decent read).
...  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:07 pm : link
if the Pelicans insist  
Enzo : 2/5/2019 3:12 pm : link
on including Solomon Hill, it's going to decrease what they're getting back. Take him out of the deal and an offer that includes 3 or 4 #1 picks seems more realistic.
RE: if the Pelicans insist  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 3:14 pm : link
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on including Solomon Hill, it's going to decrease what they're getting back. Take him out of the deal and an offer that includes 3 or 4 #1 picks seems more realistic.

I think they prefer to wait until the summer but want to use the deadline and fear of the Celtics this summer to see if they can scare the Lakers into some godfather offer. 4 firsts, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma alone is a ton for a guy with a year left on his deal no matter how good he is unless he's a top 10 player of all time like Lebron in his prime or something.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:18 pm : link
that I even value Lonzo but given what Lavar is saying his value has to be even lower to NO. Who wants to deal with Lavar pushing him somewhere else? Who is giving fair value for him knowing this?
the more that comes out about kp  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 3:19 pm : link
the more you realize janis is in ovrr his head
Not sure who's ego is worse  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 3:20 pm : link
Janis or Lavar...
Womp womp-Stein  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:21 pm : link
The Knicks approached the Sacramento Kings on De'Aaron Fox as well as the Utah Jazz on Donovan Mitchell while offering Porzingis. Both second-year players were deemed untouchable in Porzingis talks.

The Knicks always knew the Mavericks would be interested in meeting their price for Porzingis. One official from the Mavericks estimated that they approached the Knicks "about a hundred times" before they were willing to even discuss trading Porzingis.

Dennis Smith Jr. is also a second-year guard but he's had a slower start to his career than Mitchell and Fox.
RE: Womp womp-Stein  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14288214 DanMetroMan said:
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The Knicks approached the Sacramento Kings on De'Aaron Fox as well as the Utah Jazz on Donovan Mitchell while offering Porzingis. Both second-year players were deemed untouchable in Porzingis talks.

The Knicks always knew the Mavericks would be interested in meeting their price for Porzingis. One official from the Mavericks estimated that they approached the Knicks "about a hundred times" before they were willing to even discuss trading Porzingis.

Dennis Smith Jr. is also a second-year guard but he's had a slower start to his career than Mitchell and Fox.

Fox really took a step forward this year. I wonder how much Luka impacted Smith's potential improvement from year 1 to year 2. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14288219 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14288214 DanMetroMan said:


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The Knicks approached the Sacramento Kings on De'Aaron Fox as well as the Utah Jazz on Donovan Mitchell while offering Porzingis. Both second-year players were deemed untouchable in Porzingis talks.

The Knicks always knew the Mavericks would be interested in meeting their price for Porzingis. One official from the Mavericks estimated that they approached the Knicks "about a hundred times" before they were willing to even discuss trading Porzingis.

Dennis Smith Jr. is also a second-year guard but he's had a slower start to his career than Mitchell and Fox.


Fox really took a step forward this year. I wonder how much Luka impacted Smith's potential improvement from year 1 to year 2. I guess we'll find out soon enough.


I'd love to blame Luka but Smith wasn't good last year either. I say that as someone who badly wanted us to pick him.
RE: Not  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/5/2019 3:27 pm : link
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really sure why this is "trade happy". Bamba is 20 years old and having a very solid rookie campaign. DSJ is a year older. That's not to say he can't develop but I'm not really clear as to why him potentially improving makes him a better piece to have. Everyone is dreaming of Irving and Durant or even just Durant and someone else.. in these scenario DSJ is NOT a good fit other than maybe a scoring backup. Bamba's skill set fits any scenario going forward.


I disagree with the idea that he would somehow not be a good fit. What makes him a bad fit? He'd simply by a backup. As soon as you fill your max slots you're going to be scrambling for any and all quality players to fill out the roster, and on a budget. Especially if Kyrie is here, who misses games often enough.
I do want to see smith  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 3:27 pm : link
with the ball in his hands, he had 6 assists on sunday and probably should of had 10 or more
I was very annoyed about this trade last week  
Oscar : 2/5/2019 3:28 pm : link
I am fine with it now. Its clear that the Knicks beat option was to trade him pre-deadline and it sounds like they did shop him. And the frankly the return was pretty good, DSJ who is young and could improve or be flipped to another team, two expiring contracts, two first round picks and dumping Hardaway and Lee. That is a LOT for a disgruntled player who could have walked for nothing after next season.

KP is a unique talent and I wanted it to work in New York. There is risk involved for Dallas though, he may not ever stay healthy. This is not revisionist history either, even when KP was with the Knicks my big fear was that he was simply too tall and lanky to ever really stay healthy. Hes missed a lot of time and now has the ACL.

I also always worried about his brothers who seem like complete idiots.

All around smart move by the Knicks which is rare to say.
I forgot to say. By all accounts  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 3:31 pm : link
last year Smith was as good if not better than Fox. I liked Fox more predraft but Smith has a ton of upside, just needed to improve in multiple areas where Fox didn't
RE: RE: Not  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14288224 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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really sure why this is "trade happy". Bamba is 20 years old and having a very solid rookie campaign. DSJ is a year older. That's not to say he can't develop but I'm not really clear as to why him potentially improving makes him a better piece to have. Everyone is dreaming of Irving and Durant or even just Durant and someone else.. in these scenario DSJ is NOT a good fit other than maybe a scoring backup. Bamba's skill set fits any scenario going forward.



I disagree with the idea that he would somehow not be a good fit. What makes him a bad fit? He'd simply by a backup. As soon as you fill your max slots you're going to be scrambling for any and all quality players to fill out the roster, and on a budget. Especially if Kyrie is here, who misses games often enough.


He's an awful defensive player at this point and a dribble heavy scoring PG at his best. You can find scoring PG's pretty easily if you're fine with mediocre. He's been really, really bad through 102 NBA games. Veteran's will be lining up to come off the bench for the Knicks if they somehow do this. Bamba can start for this team with his length and athleticism. Smith will have no such chance if things go to plan.
Again  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:36 pm : link
Mo Bamba... 30% from 3, Dennis Smith Jr. through 102 games career 32%. If we are "assuming" Smith improves going forward in his second season why would Bamba? A year younger and already producing? Smith has had a few good games but overall he's really been horrendous. Career NEGATIVE -0.2 VORP. He's been worse than a replacement level NBA player.
Potential  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:40 pm : link
back up PG targets would include (and again this means we have fully given up on Frank even being that), Lin, Payne, Dunn, Barea, Isaiah Thomas, Ish Smith, Quinn Cook, Cory Joseph... I mean there are TONS of guys like this available via FA.
Beverley  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:42 pm : link
Shelvin Mack... Now if Smith has some big break out then that's great (obviously) but very limited value as currently constituted. So far in his career he's Mudiay. A guy the Knicks will be moving on from.
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DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:46 pm : link
The reasons LA is so desperate to get this done now:

1) AD is not a free agent until 2020, meaning the Lakers would have to preserve space until then. Thats basically punting on being a real contender in 2019-20 (LeBrons 17th season). Not happening.
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2) They know Boston is determined to trade for him so the Lakers need to get this done before Boston can get in the mix in the offseason. (I also wouldnt discount NYK potentially getting Zion as a real factor too)
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A lot of folks ask this, but if the Lakers dont preserve space until 2020 (Ive explained why they wont), AD is going to leave the Celtics for what team?
There's more projection with Bamba.  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 3:48 pm : link
Smith has improved in every single shooting category from year 1 to year 2 so it's not a huge leap to say there's more room for improvement there. Overall, the numbers still aren't good but it's a step in the right direction at least. Bamba could too but there's just nothing to go off of at this time.

Smith is a better passer than the numbers would indicate and people give him credit for imo. He's just a bit erratic at times and doesn't take the best of shots. That may partially be the Mavs' fault who gave him the keys and let him do as he pleased as a rookie. Hopefully that pays dividends for us though.

Defensively, I don't know if he can ever be average though. His technique is awful and he has a ways to go which won't be easy at his height/wingspan.
not that smith is any good  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 3:49 pm : link
but when is the last timr the knicks had an above the rim point gaurd?
Oscar  
arniefez : 2/5/2019 3:49 pm : link
Agree. A very rare smart move by the Knicks. If they were run by competent intelligent people this could be their Herschel Walker trade. Not likely though considering it's the Knicks.
RE: not that smith is any good  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14288254 nygiants16 said:
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but when is the last timr the knicks had an above the rim point gaurd?

It's understandable if you blocked this one out of your memory. I tried but unfortunately it hasn't worked.
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I  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 3:58 pm : link
think Frank is a goner. Maybe not this week but I think they have moved on from him.
Lakers and Pelicans no longer talking?  
Ssanders9816 : 2/5/2019 3:59 pm : link
Talks broke down
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RE: RE: not that smith is any good  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14288261 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 14288254 nygiants16 said:


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but when is the last timr the knicks had an above the rim point gaurd?


It's understandable if you blocked this one out of your memory. I tried but unfortunately it hasn't worked. Link - ( New Window )


he wasnt above the rim by the time the knicks got him though
How bout the balls on KP/Janis  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2019 4:07 pm : link
to only provide four teams that were "acceptable" trade destinations for KP. Only four teams in the league are worthy of his services? This guy better stay on the court and produce when he's making $30 million per season.
For once the Knicks were ready  
arniefez : 2/5/2019 4:08 pm : link
they didn't screw this up and they didn't get screwed. Really surprising. It's about time.
From Mike Schmitz's 4 undervalued players to target article today  
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Few top-10 picks over the past five years have struggled to live up to expectations as much as Ntilikina. The 6-foot-6 guard was one of only 10 players last season to log more than 1,700 total minutes yet finish with a player efficiency rating under 10.0 -- a list that features Tony Snell (8.2), JR Smith (8.0), Dragan Bender (7.1) and Ntilikina (7.1). Ntilikina's offensive woes have worsened this season, as he's one of only three players to play at least 40 games with a PER under 7.0. His dreadful 41.9 true shooting percentage ranks dead last in the NBA.

The fact that Ntilikina was selected ahead of Jazz star Donovan Mitchell to a pressure cooker like New York has made the underwhelming start to his NBA career that much more pronounced. Always viewed as more of a piece than a cornerstone, Ntilikina would benefit greatly from finding a new situation where he could lean on his strengths: defending multiple positions, making good on-court decisions and hopefully knocking down catch-and-shoot 3-pointers in time. Just because the Knicks reached to draft him doesn't mean he can't be a serviceable contributor on a winning team. Prior to acquiring Dennis Smith Jr., New York's hole at point guard forced Ntilikina into a role he has never been comfortable with (aside from during FIBA youth competition) as a primary shot-creator. According to Cleaning the Glass, Ntilikina spent 65 percent of his minutes at point guard as a rookie, and that number has increased just 1 percent this season.

Over 78 games in 2017-18, Ntilikina used 259 pick-and-roll possessions, accounting for 39.5 percent of his offense -- the 18th-highest rate in the NBA, per Synergy data. Ntilikina's so-so wiggle, slow pull-up jumper, issues finishing around the rim and indecisive approach hurt him in these situations, resulting in a ball-screen scoring attack that ranked in the 24th percentile of the NBA. While he has been less ball-dominant this season, pick-and-roll still makes up 33.9 percent of Ntilikina's offense, and unsurprisingly, his shortcomings have continued. Although he has always been talented, Ntilikina played for a stringent coach at Strasbourg in Vincent Collet, and his shot-creation skills were never quite as groomed as they could have been.

As many suspected during the pre-draft process, he's not an offense-generating lead guard, and he would be much better suited on a competitive team where he can thrive in a role as a defensive-minded guard. Though his standstill 3 has abandoned him this season, Ntilikina actually ranked in the 58th percentile out of spot-ups last season. He finished just a few percentage points under the league average on corner 3s as well, according to Second Spectrum data.

Ntilikina is an ideal fit next to a big playmaker such as a Luka Doncic or James Harden. The addition of a ball-dominant guard like Smith (or Kyrie Irving, in free agency) may help salvage Ntilikina's tenure, but a fresh team may be best for the 20-year-old.

Ntilikina figures to thrive playing off of a high-usage shot creator. It's important to keep in mind that Ntilikina is still younger than 2018 one-and-done lottery picks Deandre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He never had the ability to thrive as a ball-dominant guard for the Knicks, but he could eventually return tremendous value on a competitive team that prioritizes his defense, smarts, age and physical upside.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 4:21 pm : link
think best case is Frank turns into Beverley 2.0. We keep hearing about his age (21 in July) but he was a professional in France and simply doesn't have the skills/athletic tools to be a big time offensive talent. His best shot is improving on his 3 ball to the point that's a major weapon. He's a mediocre ball handler for the position, okay passer. It's hard to identify areas where he's ever going to be "strong" offensively. Beverley has had a nice career, I think that's the upside you're looking at with Frank (best realistic case).
I'd definitely take that  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 4:25 pm : link
. More likely though is that some other team with more patience figures out how to develop Frank into a solid but unspectacular NBA player.
It's  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 4:33 pm : link
just very disappointing/strange how a guy like Fizdale, who seemingly would eat up a player like Frank seemingly has very little interest in developing him. Not sure if that's on Fizdale or Frank is that underwhelming?
Arnie- this organization has been a shit show  
Dave on the UWS : 2/5/2019 4:33 pm : link
for 2 decades. However its becoming incredibly clear that this management team has a clue. And THAT is the reason they have a REAL shot at FA this summer. AND I can see them putting together a competitive package for Davis. It would have been great if Porzingas was the cornerstone we thought. But its obvious now that it wasnt meant to be.
Frenchy is awful on offense  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2019 4:39 pm : link
Just horrific. Can't blame Fizdale for that. He was a wasted pick. Move on.
RE: I  
Enzo : 2/5/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14288295 DanMetroMan said:
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think best case is Frank turns into Beverley 2.0. We keep hearing about his age (21 in July) but he was a professional in France and simply doesn't have the skills/athletic tools to be a big time offensive talent. His best shot is improving on his 3 ball to the point that's a major weapon. He's a mediocre ball handler for the position, okay passer. It's hard to identify areas where he's ever going to be "strong" offensively. Beverley has had a nice career, I think that's the upside you're looking at with Frank (best realistic case).

or Marcus Smart. Which would be less than ideal but ultimately fine.
I guess Bamba is staying put.  
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In the minds of Knicks fans, I think his value shot up if he cant help win this season...
Just  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 4:58 pm : link
to be clear, Pat Bev has had a nice career, I'm not saying he sucks, he has value but that's the kind of player I think we have to realistically pray for. There is XYZ you look for in a player and Frank is missing key components. Obviously Pat Bev (in his prime) backup up Irving would be a great combo.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 5:08 pm : link
The Lakers havent made a satisfactory trade offer for Anthony Davis. It seems the Pelicans just dont care much for Los Angeles young players.

Rather, New Orleans would probably rather wait for Celtics forward Jayson Tatum. Tatum went No. 3 in the 2017 NBA draft one spot after the Lakers took Lonzo Ball.

How did the Lakers make that decision?
Stephen A. Smith of ESPN:

What Im about to say, Magic Johnson would categorically probably deny. Thats my friend, my brother. I love him. If Magic Johnson was sitting next to me on national television and he said opposite or contrary to what Im about to tell you, Id tell him, Thats a d lie, and you know it.

Magic Johnson would not have drafted Lonzo Ball if were not for Jeanie Buss.

Jeanie Buss needed a box-office draw. LaVar Ball, the marketing wizard that he is, put his son in our minds eye, had us thinking this brother out of Chino Hills starring for UCLA is going to be special in the pros.

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Its 100% true that Magic wanted Fox, not Ball. Ive said that several times.
The Lakers have been dysfunctional for quite awhile.  
bceagle05 : 2/5/2019 5:15 pm : link
Dealing with Lebron's decline could get ugly.
Would be annoyed if they trade Frank  
Oscar : 2/5/2019 6:39 pm : link
It makes no sense to sell low on a second year player who was always going to be a project. Particularly when the fucking team is 10-42. You can trade Frank for a bag of peanuts any time, it makes a lot more sense to see how he progresses at least into early next season.

Also the idea that Knicks fans in general are killing the kid is totally off the mark. People are frustrated but rooting for him, hell he seems like the most popular player on the team for a large chunk of the fanbase. There are Frank Stans everywhere. I am admittedly one of them, but even those of you who have given up fail to make even a remotely compelling case for trading him.

Frank, Knox, DSJ and Mitch are basically the only players who should be prioritized the rest of this season. Everyone else will be gone soon.
Durant still is avoiding the media  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 6:43 pm : link
blew off a pr event today
Fact  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 7:22 pm : link
Is even the coach seems down on him. The coach lauded for his working with young players. Moved on to pending FA Mudiay with the quickness even with the season long over. Maybe Fizdale is wrong but hard to argue the organization doesn't seem all that excited by Frank's prospects and that's a bigger issue than what fans or detractors think. His season has gone as poorly as one could have possibly predicted. Nobody is saying just give him away for nothing but I get the feeling from their actions and comments from both Fizdale and Mills that Frank is not viewed as highly as maybe he once was.
Frank seems to have no confidence, and is the least alpha  
yatqb : 2/5/2019 7:32 pm : link
athlete I can ever recall. That's not a good prescription for a PG. Having a pretty awful and inconsistent shot doesn't help either.
Frank N  
PhiPsi125 : 2/5/2019 8:08 pm : link
Another stellar move by Phil Jackson.

Jackson was so bad its almost like he came to NY to purposely screw the franchise. Jackson is the most overrated basketball figure of all time.
Sheridan  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 8:23 pm : link
Says Davis wanted to come here but KP killed it by refusing to commit to NO
RE: Sheridan  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14288467 DanMetroMan said:
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Says Davis wanted to come here but KP killed it by refusing to commit to NO


If true says alot about who davis thinks is coming
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In the minds of Knicks fans, I think his value shot up if he cant help win this season...


Absolutely!! Was just about to post this.
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