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Saric could find himself on the trade block by Thursday. The Wolves likely would prefer to wait until the offseason to make a trade involving what was supposed to be the most valuable piece they got in return for Butler, but according to one league executive, He could be had for a decent offer, a first-rounder and a player.
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Brian Windhorst: Jeremy Lin is out there. I think there is a good chance Jeremy Lin is going to get traded to somebody who needs a quality guard.
(Linsanity aside, Jeremy Lin is a solid NBA guard. People often refuse to acknowledge this given his time here. Don't look now but the Hawks could be a team to watch quicker than we think. TONS of picks, Trae Young is legit, Collins is one of the most underrated young bigs in the league, Huerter is having a solid age 20 season. I'm not saying it happens overnight but they are a team to watch.
-Brian Windhorst mentioned that New York plans to keep the two-time NBA rebounding leader, though many have expected Jordan to end up as a buyout candidate (via ESPN):
One thing Ill say about the Knicks: theyre making it look like they intend to keep DeAndre Jordan. You can extrapolate this out: [He] has a relationship with Kevin Durant. Although I dont know how [the Knicks can retain the big man]. I mean, they cant keep him at any real number.
But one more-modern legend says that Hardens ball-dominant style during the streak, while impressive and perhaps even necessary, will not help the Rockets win an NBA title. Surprisingly that legend is Kobe Bryant Im not a fan of in terms of winning championships, I dont think that style is ever going to win championships, Bryant, the former Los Angeles Lakers star said in a clip released from an upcoming episode of ESPNs The Jump. via USA Today Sports
you would hope he would take less to play with 2 stars like west did with warriors...
i am sure knicks asked him if he would be interested
I realize some guys have gone it to ring chase but that seems exceedingly low for Jordan. He's only 30 and still a good player. You never know but that would be pretty wild.
Just 2 trips to the finals in the last 45 years? For a New York team? They are the joke of the NBA, year after year.....
Caz, Bill, Earl, Walt, Willis.....distant memories....
Maybe getting Ewing was the kiss of death for this franchise?
Jordan/Robinson
KD
Knox/Thomas
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Kyrie/Frank/DSJ
We'd have a spot for our 1st round pick. That brings us to 11 players. We have a second round pick or vet mins after that. I think this is correct.
Zion would fit perfect in this lineup and allow KD to bounce back and forth between the 3 and 4 positions. One can only hope. This team definitely needs help though. I wonder what kind of vets we could get to come in on vet min deals to really help out.
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then I think someone posted that we get a "room" exception for $4.6 mil. I think that is the best we can offer.
I realize some guys have gone it to ring chase but that seems exceedingly low for Jordan. He's only 30 and still a good player. You never know but that would be pretty wild.
Oh, it is extremely low for him. Odds are it won't happen but I think that is the best we can offer. But I am no cap expert.
Check Trae Young over the past 20+ games. January he averaged 19 and 7, 4 boards on 34% from 3 (not great but creeping up) and now in Feb 22, 9 and 5 (3 games) on 39% from 3. Considering the kid is 2 months younger than Frank, I'm pretty confident at worst he's a good NBA player if not more. And for all this talk about his defensive issues.. his dRtg is 116... Frank career? 113...
Good, hope someone bites. DSJ for Bamba would be fantastic. Maybe sweeten the deal with some 2nd round picks if we acquire them
Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ
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for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...
Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ
I doubt it. They reportedly coveted DSJ which is why Bamba for DSJ (now that we have DSJ) actually makes sense for both sides.
Young's calling card coming into the league was supposed to be his shooting. The fact that he is playing as well as he as thus far, and only shooting low 30s from 3, should make Atlanta very optimistic about his future prospects. You figure at some point the shooting % is going to rise back to the mean making him even more dangerous.
Per the article he will be allowed to rejoin the team once the deadline passes.
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for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...
Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ
I doubt it. They reportedly coveted DSJ which is why Bamba for DSJ (now that we have DSJ) actually makes sense for both sides.
Sounds fair. I'd do that.
Harder to find, perfect complimentary player to two max contract stars. Same with keeping Frank over DSJ, if thats what it would take to get him.
Just 2 trips to the finals in the last 45 years? For a New York team? They are the joke of the NBA, year after year.....
Caz, Bill, Earl, Walt, Willis.....distant memories....
Maybe getting Ewing was the kiss of death for this franchise?
Fresh take.
Bamba has quietly been very good all things considered. WS/48 .098. Frank has been awful and DSJ is extremely flawed. Odds are very low either is the starting PG for a title contender. Bamba very possibly could be that given his defense and rebounding
...and I like Dotson.
You're not wrong, but if Irving comes here, he'll be expendable
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I don't love Smith but he's got more upside at a high value position and he's insanely young. We quit far too early on players in the NBA for unknown reasons. He's nowhere near a finished product.
You're not wrong, but if Irving comes here, he'll be expendable
you know you will need a backup point...
i also thjnk frank becomes more valuable on a winning team
1) Pick up draft picks (2nd rounder all can hope for)
2) Do not take back any guaranteed money for 2019-20
3) Do not add any players that will contribute positive on-court performance this year
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I dont know if I agree that Young is legit. Hes getting better as the season goes on but hes shooting 30% from 3 and hes such a net negative on defense that hes got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesnt have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.
Check Trae Young over the past 20+ games. January he averaged 19 and 7, 4 boards on 34% from 3 (not great but creeping up) and now in Feb 22, 9 and 5 (3 games) on 39% from 3. Considering the kid is 2 months younger than Frank, I'm pretty confident at worst he's a good NBA player if not more. And for all this talk about his defensive issues.. his dRtg is 116... Frank career? 113...
He's hot right now but so was Knox a few months ago. Maybe he keeps it up, maybe he doesn't. I guess that's to say, I'm not ready to say either way what Young is. Regarding his defense, dRtg is a flawed stat. Not criticizing your use of it because there isn't really a great way to measure defensive impact but iirc, dRtg measures defensive impact using steals/blocks/defensive rebounds and your team's total points allowed when you're on the floor. Frank has spent two years playing with atrocious defensive players.
I pay $5 for Cleaning The Glass, looking quickly at Frank vs Young, the opposing team's eFG% is higher with Young on the floor vs off whereas both this year and last it's lower when Frank's in the game. Ditto for transition points. Further, last year the Knicks allowed 2.5 less pts/possesion with Frank on the floor, Atl allows 2.1 more with Young on the floor, Frank 1.1 this year.
I won't argue Frank has been nearly as good on defense this year as he was last year. He's mostly average to poor out there. Personally I think it's mental due to his struggles on offense but that's another conversation. Anyways, I don't mean to be argumentative and hope it's not received as such. I just enjoy geeking out over this stuff.
There are two reasons I think. The first is that Vucevic has been fantastic and they would like to resign him. The second is that the Magic have been an abomination when Isaac and Bamba are on the floor at the same time which wasn't expected at least on defense given the length of both guys. Since Bamba was a more recent pick, my guess is they feel like they can get more for him than Isaac at this point. Either that or they prefer Isaac.
Well I read a lot of folks here talking about adding young assets... so not everyone agrees.
Also a bit worried about the reports out there saying Knicks will just hold on to Matthews and Jordan. Hoping that's just trying to get leverage... but if they really do, just gotta hope Fizdale gives them the Kanter treatment.
I'm not sure how many wins the Knicks can afford. The Suns are not playing around...
- If Im the Lakers I would offer all the young guys and 4 1sts. But if Im trading 4 1sts Im not taking back Solomon Hill. Lakers would be very dangerous this summer with Lebron and AD with cap space. And there is risk for the Pelicans in waiting.
"AD is good!" Ball said. "But he's not a winner. How many playoff games has he won? He's been in the league a long time, there's a difference between players and winners."
Mr. Plus: Khris Middleton (MIL) was a plus-61 in three games last week.
Mr. Minus: Damyean Dotson (NYK) was a minus-53 in four games last week.
Worst contract in maybe all of sports. That deal kills that franchise.
Let him stir shit for LA!
The marquee piece of the trade would be Brandon Ingram, who is now in year 3 and basically shown nothing to make you think he is potentially anything more than a borderline All-Star at best. Kyle Kuzma is very overrated off of a fast start to his rookie year, he has been an average player over the last year and a half. They already have a better 6'9'' ex-Laker on the roster in Julius Randle. As for Ball, he has underperformed compared to expectations, comes with a ton of baggage, and clearly has no interest in being in New Orleans.
It makes so much more sense for them to just wait it out and see what else they can get. The possibility of Boston including Tatum or the Knicks with their draft pick is much more appealing than the pupu platter from the Lakers.
Just comparing it to what the Knicks could offer, factoring age/years left of team control/upside, is Knox that far off in value than Ingram? I don't think so. And similarly, is their that big of a difference at this point between Ball and Dennis Smith? Factor in the Knicks 2019 pick, the unprotected Dallas pick, and someone like Mitch Robinson, I think I would prefer a Knicks offer to what the Lakers can give them.
Knicks also likely werent going to trade for him while giving up on both KD and Kyrie. So by making the trade with Dallas they cleared the space for KD and Kyrie, acquired 2 1st rd picks and some half decent tradeable young, cost controlled talent in DSJ. Now with that bird hopefully in hand, they maybe behind the scenes are still trying for AD but it depends on what Pels value most.
NYK arent going to give up the 2 max slots for AD (would we give up 1 max? that I dont know ,probably not if KD wants Kyrie) . If we need both maxes in tact, then it comes down to would Pels be willing to take our young cost controlled trio and maybe even Thomas. Because we need to shed almost ALL contracts that go into 2019-20 to be able to sign all 3. Would four first rounders + Knox, Frank, Tier, DSJ and Thomas be a good enough pkg to appeal more than the Lakers package?
The other way this works is if we trade for AD AFTER we signed KD and Kyrie. We would then by CBA rules be allowed to go over cap if we came within 20% of his 27 million owed for 2019-20 in contracts going back.
But Pels seem ready to move him now. If they dont , we could be in pretty good shape to make the deal especially if we net out with a top 3 pick (and they really like 2 others of the top 3 aside obviously Zion)
This feels different than previous years there is so much smoke about KD to the Knicks (kinda like we heard about LeBron to the Lakers so much). Culture has changed , a player coach that players around the league love, and we cleared the room for him and another max.
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I am still worried that the Knicks wont get two max players to come.
This feels different than previous years there is so much smoke about KD to the Knicks (kinda like we heard about LeBron to the Lakers so much). Culture has changed , a player coach that players around the league love, and we cleared the room for him and another max.
culture has changed
- owner bans the media
- team trades one time cornerstone in disgruntled manner
- another player campaigns daily against his lack of playing time
- first round pick from 2yrs ago was stuck on bench, hasnt improved
- team runs no offense- iso aau ball.
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I am still worried that the Knicks wont get two max players to come.
This feels different than previous years there is so much smoke about KD to the Knicks (kinda like we heard about LeBron to the Lakers so much). Culture has changed , a player coach that players around the league love, and we cleared the room for him and another max.
culture has changed
- owner bans a single tabloid
- team trades one time cornerstone who was disgruntled because his brother is his agent who is less qualified than the food vendors at MSG
- a whack job campaigns daily against his lack of playing time who is under contract and OPTED into said contract
- first round pick from 2yrs ago was stuck on bench after getting lots of playing time because he hasnt improved like most teams who fail at the draft often because it's a crapshoot
- team runs no offense- iso aau ball. coach is so bad that even future HOFers Lebron James and Dwyane Wade have often sung his praises.
fixed that for you. I don't understand Nets' fans obsession with the Knicks. I don't know any Knicks fans who consider the Nets a rival or who gives a crap about what they do.
Of course not. They're technically in New York but the fanbase and number of fans in the stands are more like the Pelicans or the Jazz than the Knicks.
no bitterness at all. what did i say that wasnt a fact?
i hope the knicks get the FAs they want. would be good for the league. Nets are doing there own thing- and will be just fine.
the loose usage of the culture change- i just find comical.
The Nets and the Los Angeles Clippers were among those teams, but Dallas was not on the list. The Knicks, meanwhile, were told Porzingis was prepared to leave the team and continue his knee rehabilitation in Spain if he was not moved by this weeks league trade deadline.
It was not long after receiving the four-team list that the Knicks notified the Mavericks they were prepared to do the deal. The maverick nature of Cuban and Nelson prompted Dallas to accept the trade with no guarantees of a long-term commitment from Porzingis since they believe they can persuade the 7-foot-3 Latvian to commit to a future in North Texas.
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Would an offer of Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (w/ Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas salary filler), and 3 future first-round selections -
be more enticing to the Pelicans than the package the Lakers are currently offering?
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The Lakers are still glad to engage with the Pelicans on an Anthony Davis trade, but no longer want to bid against themselves, league sources tell ESPN. Lakers are waiting for Pelicans to make a counter-proposal.
"The Lakers were not going to give the Pelicans the six to eight draft picks they wanted for Davis, the person said, knowing that the four first-round picks and second-round picks were more than the Lakers would offer."
I think they prefer to wait until the summer but want to use the deadline and fear of the Celtics this summer to see if they can scare the Lakers into some godfather offer. 4 firsts, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma alone is a ton for a guy with a year left on his deal no matter how good he is unless he's a top 10 player of all time like Lebron in his prime or something.
The Knicks always knew the Mavericks would be interested in meeting their price for Porzingis. One official from the Mavericks estimated that they approached the Knicks "about a hundred times" before they were willing to even discuss trading Porzingis.
Dennis Smith Jr. is also a second-year guard but he's had a slower start to his career than Mitchell and Fox.
The Knicks always knew the Mavericks would be interested in meeting their price for Porzingis. One official from the Mavericks estimated that they approached the Knicks "about a hundred times" before they were willing to even discuss trading Porzingis.
Dennis Smith Jr. is also a second-year guard but he's had a slower start to his career than Mitchell and Fox.
Fox really took a step forward this year. I wonder how much Luka impacted Smith's potential improvement from year 1 to year 2. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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The Knicks approached the Sacramento Kings on De'Aaron Fox as well as the Utah Jazz on Donovan Mitchell while offering Porzingis. Both second-year players were deemed untouchable in Porzingis talks.
The Knicks always knew the Mavericks would be interested in meeting their price for Porzingis. One official from the Mavericks estimated that they approached the Knicks "about a hundred times" before they were willing to even discuss trading Porzingis.
Dennis Smith Jr. is also a second-year guard but he's had a slower start to his career than Mitchell and Fox.
Fox really took a step forward this year. I wonder how much Luka impacted Smith's potential improvement from year 1 to year 2. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
I'd love to blame Luka but Smith wasn't good last year either. I say that as someone who badly wanted us to pick him.
I disagree with the idea that he would somehow not be a good fit. What makes him a bad fit? He'd simply by a backup. As soon as you fill your max slots you're going to be scrambling for any and all quality players to fill out the roster, and on a budget. Especially if Kyrie is here, who misses games often enough.
KP is a unique talent and I wanted it to work in New York. There is risk involved for Dallas though, he may not ever stay healthy. This is not revisionist history either, even when KP was with the Knicks my big fear was that he was simply too tall and lanky to ever really stay healthy. Hes missed a lot of time and now has the ACL.
I also always worried about his brothers who seem like complete idiots.
All around smart move by the Knicks which is rare to say.
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really sure why this is "trade happy". Bamba is 20 years old and having a very solid rookie campaign. DSJ is a year older. That's not to say he can't develop but I'm not really clear as to why him potentially improving makes him a better piece to have. Everyone is dreaming of Irving and Durant or even just Durant and someone else.. in these scenario DSJ is NOT a good fit other than maybe a scoring backup. Bamba's skill set fits any scenario going forward.
I disagree with the idea that he would somehow not be a good fit. What makes him a bad fit? He'd simply by a backup. As soon as you fill your max slots you're going to be scrambling for any and all quality players to fill out the roster, and on a budget. Especially if Kyrie is here, who misses games often enough.
He's an awful defensive player at this point and a dribble heavy scoring PG at his best. You can find scoring PG's pretty easily if you're fine with mediocre. He's been really, really bad through 102 NBA games. Veteran's will be lining up to come off the bench for the Knicks if they somehow do this. Bamba can start for this team with his length and athleticism. Smith will have no such chance if things go to plan.
1) AD is not a free agent until 2020, meaning the Lakers would have to preserve space until then. Thats basically punting on being a real contender in 2019-20 (LeBrons 17th season). Not happening.
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2) They know Boston is determined to trade for him so the Lakers need to get this done before Boston can get in the mix in the offseason. (I also wouldnt discount NYK potentially getting Zion as a real factor too)
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A lot of folks ask this, but if the Lakers dont preserve space until 2020 (Ive explained why they wont), AD is going to leave the Celtics for what team?
Smith is a better passer than the numbers would indicate and people give him credit for imo. He's just a bit erratic at times and doesn't take the best of shots. That may partially be the Mavs' fault who gave him the keys and let him do as he pleased as a rookie. Hopefully that pays dividends for us though.
Defensively, I don't know if he can ever be average though. His technique is awful and he has a ways to go which won't be easy at his height/wingspan.
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he wasnt above the rim by the time the knicks got him though
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Few top-10 picks over the past five years have struggled to live up to expectations as much as Ntilikina. The 6-foot-6 guard was one of only 10 players last season to log more than 1,700 total minutes yet finish with a player efficiency rating under 10.0 -- a list that features Tony Snell (8.2), JR Smith (8.0), Dragan Bender (7.1) and Ntilikina (7.1). Ntilikina's offensive woes have worsened this season, as he's one of only three players to play at least 40 games with a PER under 7.0. His dreadful 41.9 true shooting percentage ranks dead last in the NBA.
The fact that Ntilikina was selected ahead of Jazz star Donovan Mitchell to a pressure cooker like New York has made the underwhelming start to his NBA career that much more pronounced. Always viewed as more of a piece than a cornerstone, Ntilikina would benefit greatly from finding a new situation where he could lean on his strengths: defending multiple positions, making good on-court decisions and hopefully knocking down catch-and-shoot 3-pointers in time. Just because the Knicks reached to draft him doesn't mean he can't be a serviceable contributor on a winning team. Prior to acquiring Dennis Smith Jr., New York's hole at point guard forced Ntilikina into a role he has never been comfortable with (aside from during FIBA youth competition) as a primary shot-creator. According to Cleaning the Glass, Ntilikina spent 65 percent of his minutes at point guard as a rookie, and that number has increased just 1 percent this season.
Over 78 games in 2017-18, Ntilikina used 259 pick-and-roll possessions, accounting for 39.5 percent of his offense -- the 18th-highest rate in the NBA, per Synergy data. Ntilikina's so-so wiggle, slow pull-up jumper, issues finishing around the rim and indecisive approach hurt him in these situations, resulting in a ball-screen scoring attack that ranked in the 24th percentile of the NBA. While he has been less ball-dominant this season, pick-and-roll still makes up 33.9 percent of Ntilikina's offense, and unsurprisingly, his shortcomings have continued. Although he has always been talented, Ntilikina played for a stringent coach at Strasbourg in Vincent Collet, and his shot-creation skills were never quite as groomed as they could have been.
As many suspected during the pre-draft process, he's not an offense-generating lead guard, and he would be much better suited on a competitive team where he can thrive in a role as a defensive-minded guard. Though his standstill 3 has abandoned him this season, Ntilikina actually ranked in the 58th percentile out of spot-ups last season. He finished just a few percentage points under the league average on corner 3s as well, according to Second Spectrum data.
Ntilikina is an ideal fit next to a big playmaker such as a Luka Doncic or James Harden. The addition of a ball-dominant guard like Smith (or Kyrie Irving, in free agency) may help salvage Ntilikina's tenure, but a fresh team may be best for the 20-year-old.
Ntilikina figures to thrive playing off of a high-usage shot creator. It's important to keep in mind that Ntilikina is still younger than 2018 one-and-done lottery picks Deandre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. He never had the ability to thrive as a ball-dominant guard for the Knicks, but he could eventually return tremendous value on a competitive team that prioritizes his defense, smarts, age and physical upside.
or Marcus Smart. Which would be less than ideal but ultimately fine.
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In the minds of Knicks fans, I think his value shot up if he cant help win this season...
Rather, New Orleans would probably rather wait for Celtics forward Jayson Tatum. Tatum went No. 3 in the 2017 NBA draft one spot after the Lakers took Lonzo Ball.
How did the Lakers make that decision?
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What Im about to say, Magic Johnson would categorically probably deny. Thats my friend, my brother. I love him. If Magic Johnson was sitting next to me on national television and he said opposite or contrary to what Im about to tell you, Id tell him, Thats a d lie, and you know it.
Magic Johnson would not have drafted Lonzo Ball if were not for Jeanie Buss.
Jeanie Buss needed a box-office draw. LaVar Ball, the marketing wizard that he is, put his son in our minds eye, had us thinking this brother out of Chino Hills starring for UCLA is going to be special in the pros.
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Its 100% true that Magic wanted Fox, not Ball. Ive said that several times.
Also the idea that Knicks fans in general are killing the kid is totally off the mark. People are frustrated but rooting for him, hell he seems like the most popular player on the team for a large chunk of the fanbase. There are Frank Stans everywhere. I am admittedly one of them, but even those of you who have given up fail to make even a remotely compelling case for trading him.
Frank, Knox, DSJ and Mitch are basically the only players who should be prioritized the rest of this season. Everyone else will be gone soon.
Jackson was so bad its almost like he came to NY to purposely screw the franchise. Jackson is the most overrated basketball figure of all time.
If true says alot about who davis thinks is coming
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In the minds of Knicks fans, I think his value shot up if he cant help win this season...
Absolutely!! Was just about to post this.