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DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:11 am
-58 mins ago – via Sporting News
Saric could find himself on the trade block by Thursday. The Wolves likely would prefer to wait until the offseason to make a trade involving what was supposed to be the most valuable piece they got in return for Butler, but according to one league executive, “He could be had for a decent offer, a first-rounder and a player.”

-58 mins ago – via ESPN
Brian Windhorst: Jeremy Lin is out there. I think there is a good chance Jeremy Lin is going to get traded to somebody who needs a quality guard.

(Linsanity aside, Jeremy Lin is a solid NBA guard. People often refuse to acknowledge this given his time here. Don't look now but the Hawks could be a team to watch quicker than we think. TONS of picks, Trae Young is legit, Collins is one of the most underrated young bigs in the league, Huerter is having a solid age 20 season. I'm not saying it happens overnight but they are a team to watch.

-Brian Windhorst mentioned that New York plans to keep the two-time NBA rebounding leader, though many have expected Jordan to end up as a buyout candidate (via ESPN):

“One thing I’ll say about the Knicks: they’re making it look like they intend to keep DeAndre Jordan. You can extrapolate this out: [He] has a relationship with Kevin Durant. Although I don’t know how [the Knicks can retain the big man]. I mean, they can’t keep him at any real number.”


But one more-modern legend says that Harden’s ball-dominant style during the streak, while impressive and perhaps even necessary, will not help the Rockets win an NBA title. Surprisingly that legend is Kobe Bryant “I’m not a fan of in terms of winning championships, I don’t think that style is ever going to win championships,” Bryant, the former Los Angeles Lakers star said in a clip released from an upcoming episode of ESPN’s “The Jump.” – via USA Today Sports
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There's only so much I'd be willing to pay DeAndre Jordan.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/5/2019 9:14 am : link
He's not star by any stretch. I'm not sure what the number is but Jordan can't be making any kind of money that interferes with the overall plan. You can't overpay for rebounding and garbage man around the basket points.
RE: There's only so much I'd be willing to pay DeAndre Jordan.  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14287679 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's not star by any stretch. I'm not sure what the number is but Jordan can't be making any kind of money that interferes with the overall plan. You can't overpay for rebounding and garbage man around the basket points.


you would hope he would take less to play with 2 stars like west did with warriors...

i am sure knicks asked him if he would be interested
If we get KD and Kyrie  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 9:23 am : link
then I think someone posted that we get a "room" exception for $4.6 mil. I think that is the best we can offer.
They can't be done  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 9:25 am : link
Kanter? Lance? Even Matthews. The first two for sure cannot be on this team.
RE: If we get KD and Kyrie  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14287689 robbieballs2003 said:
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then I think someone posted that we get a "room" exception for $4.6 mil. I think that is the best we can offer.


I realize some guys have gone it to ring chase but that seems exceedingly low for Jordan. He's only 30 and still a good player. You never know but that would be pretty wild.
The Knicks have been done  
Doomster : 2/5/2019 9:30 am : link
since the 72-73 season.....

Just 2 trips to the finals in the last 45 years? For a New York team? They are the joke of the NBA, year after year.....

Caz, Bill, Earl, Walt, Willis.....distant memories....

Maybe getting Ewing was the kiss of death for this franchise?
If Jordan would be willing to do that then  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 9:34 am : link
off the top of my head we'd have

Jordan/Robinson
KD
Knox/Thomas
Trier/Dotson
Kyrie/Frank/DSJ

We'd have a spot for our 1st round pick. That brings us to 11 players. We have a second round pick or vet mins after that. I think this is correct.

Zion would fit perfect in this lineup and allow KD to bounce back and forth between the 3 and 4 positions. One can only hope. This team definitely needs help though. I wonder what kind of vets we could get to come in on vet min deals to really help out.
RE: RE: If we get KD and Kyrie  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14287692 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14287689 robbieballs2003 said:


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then I think someone posted that we get a "room" exception for $4.6 mil. I think that is the best we can offer.



I realize some guys have gone it to ring chase but that seems exceedingly low for Jordan. He's only 30 and still a good player. You never know but that would be pretty wild.


Oh, it is extremely low for him. Odds are it won't happen but I think that is the best we can offer. But I am no cap expert.
Also,  
robbieballs2003 : 2/5/2019 9:38 am : link
what if Jordan were to take that 4.6 million deal (if that is correct) for one year? Can we then go way over that to sign him in year 2? I mean by year 2 (big assumption we get KD and KI) then we will be over the cap and not likely to sign anybody else on Jordan's level.
Would  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:38 am : link
love to find a way to move Frank or DSJ in a deal for Bamba. I'm not confident any of the PG's on the roster are good starting NBA PG's and Bamba is from Harlem, averaging 6 and 5 with 1.4 blocks in only 16 minutes. He's quietly been very solid. Who knows what the roster looks like next year but he and Mitch would make a fun 4/5.
Jordan  
TyreeHelmet : 2/5/2019 9:38 am : link
Has really fallen off this year. He’s still a decent center, but not close to the level he was at a few seasons ago. In a perfect world, him and Matthews would be nice role players next season. Not sure how that’s possible with the cap.
Thanks for the roundup.  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 9:40 am : link
I don’t know if I agree that Young is “legit”. He’s getting better as the season goes on but he’s shooting 30% from 3 and he’s such a net negative on defense that he’s got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesn’t have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.
suppodedly  
Enzo : 2/5/2019 9:40 am : link
there is going to be a glut of free agents this summer. Almost half the league can be free agents. So there may be vets who have to take small deals, even if it's only for one year.
RE: Thanks for the roundup.  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14287732 Strahan91 said:
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I don’t know if I agree that Young is “legit”. He’s getting better as the season goes on but he’s shooting 30% from 3 and he’s such a net negative on defense that he’s got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesn’t have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.


Check Trae Young over the past 20+ games. January he averaged 19 and 7, 4 boards on 34% from 3 (not great but creeping up) and now in Feb 22, 9 and 5 (3 games) on 39% from 3. Considering the kid is 2 months younger than Frank, I'm pretty confident at worst he's a good NBA player if not more. And for all this talk about his defensive issues.. his dRtg is 116... Frank career? 113...
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:51 am : link
reportedly have made all pending FA's available for 2nd rounders including Jordan.
DSJ  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 9:54 am : link
for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...
RE: Knicks  
TommyWiseau : 2/5/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14287749 DanMetroMan said:
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reportedly have made all pending FA's available for 2nd rounders including Jordan.


Good, hope someone bites. DSJ for Bamba would be fantastic. Maybe sweeten the deal with some 2nd round picks if we acquire them
RE: DSJ  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14287754 DanMetroMan said:
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for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...


Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ
RE: RE: DSJ  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14287768 Anakim said:
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for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...



Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ


I doubt it. They reportedly coveted DSJ which is why Bamba for DSJ (now that we have DSJ) actually makes sense for both sides.
pelicans told anthony davis  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 10:11 am : link
he was not playing last night according to haynes
RE: Thanks for the roundup.  
Mike in NJ : 2/5/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14287732 Strahan91 said:
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I don’t know if I agree that Young is “legit”. He’s getting better as the season goes on but he’s shooting 30% from 3 and he’s such a net negative on defense that he’s got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesn’t have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.


Young's calling card coming into the league was supposed to be his shooting. The fact that he is playing as well as he as thus far, and only shooting low 30s from 3, should make Atlanta very optimistic about his future prospects. You figure at some point the shooting % is going to rise back to the mean making him even more dangerous.
RE: pelicans told anthony davis  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14287777 nygiants16 said:
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he was not playing last night according to haynes


Per the article he will be allowed to rejoin the team once the deadline passes.
Reportedly  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:17 am : link
the Pelicans "expect" 4 1sts in any offer (in addition to young talent).
RE: RE: RE: DSJ  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14287771 DanMetroMan said:
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for Bamba really makes a lot of sense. Orlando reportedly wanted DSJ and have Bamba available so...



Wonder if they would take Frank instead of DSJ



I doubt it. They reportedly coveted DSJ which is why Bamba for DSJ (now that we have DSJ) actually makes sense for both sides.


Sounds fair. I'd do that.
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:20 am : link
The Los Angeles Lakers have discussed a deal involving Kentavious Caldwell-Pope moving to the Chicago Bulls for Jabari Parker, according to Brian Windhorst.

Lamar  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:22 am : link
openly said he doesn't want Lonzo in New Orleans and wants him in Phoenix.
i would rather keep dennis smith jr  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 10:27 am : link
and frank rather than trade for bamba, but that is just me
A HUGE yes from me  
Shecky : 2/5/2019 10:28 am : link
For Mo Bamba!!!!!!

Harder to find, perfect complimentary player to two max contract stars. Same with keeping Frank over DSJ, if that’s what it would take to get him.
RE: The Knicks have been done  
djm : 2/5/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14287705 Doomster said:
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since the 72-73 season.....

Just 2 trips to the finals in the last 45 years? For a New York team? They are the joke of the NBA, year after year.....

Caz, Bill, Earl, Walt, Willis.....distant memories....

Maybe getting Ewing was the kiss of death for this franchise?


Fresh take.
RE: i would rather keep dennis smith jr  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14287807 nygiants16 said:
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and frank rather than trade for bamba, but that is just me


Bamba has quietly been very good all things considered. WS/48 .098. Frank has been awful and DSJ is extremely flawed. Odds are very low either is the starting PG for a title contender. Bamba very possibly could be that given his defense and rebounding
Not if Kyrie is coming  
Carl in CT : 2/5/2019 10:33 am : link
You do the trade for Bamba.
PS  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 10:33 am : link
Bamba is shooting 30% from 3... Frank...29% OOF
I'd add a 2nd  
Pep22 : 2/5/2019 10:44 am : link
and/or Dotson to do a DSJ for Bamba trade

...and I like Dotson.
Seems a bit trade happy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/5/2019 10:48 am : link
I don't love Smith but he's got more upside at a high value position and he's insanely young. We quit far too early on players in the NBA for unknown reasons. He's nowhere near a finished product.
RE: Seems a bit trade happy  
Anakim : 2/5/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14287833 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't love Smith but he's got more upside at a high value position and he's insanely young. We quit far too early on players in the NBA for unknown reasons. He's nowhere near a finished product.



You're not wrong, but if Irving comes here, he'll be expendable
RE: RE: Seems a bit trade happy  
nygiants16 : 2/5/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14287836 Anakim said:
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I don't love Smith but he's got more upside at a high value position and he's insanely young. We quit far too early on players in the NBA for unknown reasons. He's nowhere near a finished product.




You're not wrong, but if Irving comes here, he'll be expendable


you know you will need a backup point...

i also thjnk frank becomes more valuable on a winning team
Has Bamba been bad?  
Oscar : 2/5/2019 10:58 am : link
Why would Orlando be looking to trade otherwise? I know they have other players as his position but they knew that pre-draft.
Vucevic  
Pep22 : 2/5/2019 11:07 am : link
has been very good and they haven't had a lead guard since Penny Hardaway
if Frank can add a 3 PT shot  
giants#1 : 2/5/2019 11:18 am : link
(big IF at this point), he's a great fit with KD and KI. Don't need scoring or another guy creating with those 2, just need someone that can make Ds pay when left alone. And Frank's D would help cover up some of KI's issues at that end.
I said it yesterday...  
moze1021 : 2/5/2019 11:18 am : link
Any trade Knicks make should meet 3 objectives:

1) Pick up draft picks (2nd rounder all can hope for)
2) Do not take back any guaranteed money for 2019-20
3) Do not add any players that will contribute positive on-court performance this year

Moze  
Carl in CT : 2/5/2019 11:31 am : link
That’s been the objective since last year.
RE: RE: Thanks for the roundup.  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14287743 DanMetroMan said:
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I don’t know if I agree that Young is “legit”. He’s getting better as the season goes on but he’s shooting 30% from 3 and he’s such a net negative on defense that he’s got to be one hell of an offensive player to justify that. Most rookies struggle on defense but he just doesn’t have the size, length or athleticism to ever become a serviceable defender imo.



Check Trae Young over the past 20+ games. January he averaged 19 and 7, 4 boards on 34% from 3 (not great but creeping up) and now in Feb 22, 9 and 5 (3 games) on 39% from 3. Considering the kid is 2 months younger than Frank, I'm pretty confident at worst he's a good NBA player if not more. And for all this talk about his defensive issues.. his dRtg is 116... Frank career? 113...

He's hot right now but so was Knox a few months ago. Maybe he keeps it up, maybe he doesn't. I guess that's to say, I'm not ready to say either way what Young is. Regarding his defense, dRtg is a flawed stat. Not criticizing your use of it because there isn't really a great way to measure defensive impact but iirc, dRtg measures defensive impact using steals/blocks/defensive rebounds and your team's total points allowed when you're on the floor. Frank has spent two years playing with atrocious defensive players.

I pay $5 for Cleaning The Glass, looking quickly at Frank vs Young, the opposing team's eFG% is higher with Young on the floor vs off whereas both this year and last it's lower when Frank's in the game. Ditto for transition points. Further, last year the Knicks allowed 2.5 less pts/possesion with Frank on the floor, Atl allows 2.1 more with Young on the floor, Frank 1.1 this year.

I won't argue Frank has been nearly as good on defense this year as he was last year. He's mostly average to poor out there. Personally I think it's mental due to his struggles on offense but that's another conversation. Anyways, I don't mean to be argumentative and hope it's not received as such. I just enjoy geeking out over this stuff.
RE: Has Bamba been bad?  
Strahan91 : 2/5/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14287850 Oscar said:
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Why would Orlando be looking to trade otherwise? I know they have other players as his position but they knew that pre-draft.

There are two reasons I think. The first is that Vucevic has been fantastic and they would like to resign him. The second is that the Magic have been an abomination when Isaac and Bamba are on the floor at the same time which wasn't expected at least on defense given the length of both guys. Since Bamba was a more recent pick, my guess is they feel like they can get more for him than Isaac at this point. Either that or they prefer Isaac.
I  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 11:58 am : link
Didn't take it that way at all. In fact I didn't want the Knicks to draft young and they will need to absolutely nail the Mavs pick for the Luka deal not to look really bad. I just think Young has shown some real positive signs and should at minimum be solid with a shot to be better than some (myself included) expected ie all-star
RE: Moze  
moze1021 : 2/5/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14287899 Carl in CT said:
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That’s been the objective since last year.


Well I read a lot of folks here talking about adding young assets... so not everyone agrees.

Also a bit worried about the reports out there saying Knicks will just hold on to Matthews and Jordan. Hoping that's just trying to get leverage... but if they really do, just gotta hope Fizdale gives them the Kanter treatment.

I'm not sure how many wins the Knicks can afford. The Suns are not playing around...
Would  
Jon in NYC : 2/5/2019 12:09 pm : link
carry Frank to the airport like a newborn baby if that's what it took to trade him for Mo Bamba. What a great fit next to a two ball dominant superstar lineup.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 12:18 pm : link
really sure why this is "trade happy". Bamba is 20 years old and having a very solid rookie campaign. DSJ is a year older. That's not to say he can't develop but I'm not really clear as to why him potentially improving makes him a better piece to have. Everyone is dreaming of Irving and Durant or even just Durant and someone else.. in these scenario DSJ is NOT a good fit other than maybe a scoring backup. Bamba's skill set fits any scenario going forward.
Bamba  
TyreeHelmet : 2/5/2019 12:30 pm : link
-I’d flip DSJ for Bamba. Like that trade alot.

- If I’m the Lakers I would offer all the young guys and 4 1sts. But if I’m trading 4 1sts I’m not taking back Solomon Hill. Lakers would be very dangerous this summer with Lebron and AD with cap space. And there is risk for the Pelicans in waiting.


Lavar-  
DanMetroMan : 2/5/2019 12:46 pm : link
"Luke Walton was the worst coach he ever had. It was Magic [Johnson] who said he was going to be the dang face of the franchise. But Magic ain't doing no coaching. And the only person to kill Lonzo is the coach pulling him out and not having no confidence in him. Everyone who's had confidence in Lonzo just let him go and let him win. That's what he does. He wins. Luke Walton turned him into a loser. A loser's mentality is like, 'Oh, he's young, he'll get it.' Instead of just letting him go out there and do what he does."

"AD is good!" Ball said. "But he's not a winner. How many playoff games has he won? He's been in the league a long time, there's a difference between players and winners."
Is there a Gofundme I can donate to that will send Lavar back to  
Really : 2/5/2019 12:53 pm : link
where ever he's been for the last year or so?

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