really have zero loyalty lol That Conley/Gasol move would have been crazy. Raptors are denying they made the offer, they 100% did per sources.
They really don't. Is that trade even an major upgrade for Toronto? Gasol is better than JV but Gasol has really fallen off. And Lowry and Conley are debatable...
Maybe I'm being naive but I just don't see Durant going there. Is he really going to gain any "legacy points" by making the Clippers a winner? They have been well run team recently, but they are still by far second fiddle in Los Angeles. If he wants to go to LA, why not just team up with Lebron and deliver the Lakers another title? He's close with Lebron. I could be wrong but I don't think he's close with Kawhi if they even get him.
I do love that trade for the Clippers though.
I think its Warriors or Knicks for Durant. But I also never would have thought Lebron would go the Heat in 2010...
declining Trier’s option, cutting Dotson (who is non guaranteed) and cutting Lance Thomas (others have mentioned). I like Trier and Dotson as players but if it becomes necessary they can get to $75M.
They can offer Miami's 2021 unprotected pick, Shamet, SGA, Sixers pick etc but that looks very light to me...
Lakers offer is much better than that. I don't think that 2021 Miami pick is a crown jewel. They are a very well run organization that rarely picks high in the draft...
They can offer Miami's 2021 unprotected pick, Shamet, SGA, Sixers pick etc but that looks very light to me...
I think they’d have to get to at least 3, likely 4 firsts with SGA to get a deal done. Just like the Knicks in addition to Knox, Robinson etc. Awfully big gambles unless you’re certain you’re getting your rumored superstar (Durant for the Knicks and Kawhi for the Clips)
don't think they can trade Shamet in a deal like that already; can only deal a guy in a 1 for trade immediately after acquiring him via trade. I very much could buy that their attack plan being Kawhi and Cousins. Seems very reasonable and attainable for them.
Reason to cut any off the Trier, Dot and Thomas trio. They make pennies in the grand scheme of things and you need some sort of bench around the top guys. This is the perfect scenario for anyone who wants to come here. Either you wanna be here or you don’t.
It’s funny to me that AD has the Clippers on his list Â
but not Boston and his dad says it’s because the Celtics have no loyalty citing IT. The Clippers moved their best player two years in a row. While comical, I’m pretty sure it has to do with A) he really only wants the Lakers and Paul came up with other teams that check boxes knowing it’s unlikely they have what it takes to trade for AD (or are willing to give that up) or B) knows Kyrie is a goner.A is most likely imo.
Reason to cut any off the Trier, Dot and Thomas trio. They make pennies in the grand scheme of things and you need some sort of bench around the top guys. This is the perfect scenario for anyone who wants to come here. Either you wanna be here or you don’t.
You want to keep Lance Thomas? Do you watch the Knicks? It’s basically a certainty he’s not on the team next year. He’s a borderline NBA player if that even and he makes $6M/yr. If he was a FA he wouldn’t get more than the vet min and wouldn’t be in high demand either
Reason to cut any off the Trier, Dot and Thomas trio. They make pennies in the grand scheme of things and you need some sort of bench around the top guys. This is the perfect scenario for anyone who wants to come here. Either you wanna be here or you don’t.
Thomas does not make pennies. He's gone 100% after the year. 7.6 million for Lance Thomas is not "pennies" he's garbage and they can dump him and save 6.6. Not a single team in the NBA gives hiM NEAR that.
How much of that money will go for two max contracts
I know that it is dependent upon the players but what would you anticipate ?
How much money will be left to fill out the team
don't think they can trade Shamet in a deal like that already; can only deal a guy in a 1 for trade immediately after acquiring him via trade. I very much could buy that their attack plan being Kawhi and Cousins. Seems very reasonable and attainable for them.
With the NBA who knows but there are claims Boogie has been open about his plans to join LAC even with his GS teammates.
declining Trier’s option, cutting Dotson (who is non guaranteed) and cutting Lance Thomas (others have mentioned). I like Trier and Dotson as players but if it becomes necessary they can get to $75M.
Lance Thomas salary only guaranteed for 1 million next year
declining Trier’s option, cutting Dotson (who is non guaranteed) and cutting Lance Thomas (others have mentioned). I like Trier and Dotson as players but if it becomes necessary they can get to $75M.
Lance Thomas salary only guaranteed for 1 million next year
Irving is the only player who has a question on what hr is going to do..
most think kawhi to clips and durant to knicks..
harris and butler stay in philly..
klay stays with warriors
Everyone is assuming Klay stays in GS
He’s going to want the MAX
Can GS do that with KD possibly coming back
With Curry on the books for 40. With DG waiting for the MAX
I feel the one player out of those 4 that might leave is Klay. Especially if KD picks up his option
can ball but my worst nightmare is Klay/Kemba being our big haul. We already had Klay the first time (very good but not great player at huge coin) cough cough Allan Houston.
them trading Draymond if necessary or letting him walk as a FA next year. I’m also not sure what GS would do if faced with the decision to choose between Klay and KD. On the surface, it seems obvious. Durant is a much better player but unless he’s willing to sign a 4-5 year deal, you’re going to be afraid of him walking every single year and we know that the Warriors are on edge with KD as they don’t know when/if he’ll walk. Not to mention, I think it was Zach Lowe who said those close to KD have been saying they don’t think GS is his last stop since the day he signed there.
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can ball but my worst nightmare is Klay/Kemba being our big haul. We already had Klay the first time (very good but not great player at huge coin) cough cough Allan Houston.
It's eerie how similar their shooting form is. Carbon copy
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Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (and Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas), and 2 first-round picks
for Anthony Davis (and Solomon Hill).
which side says no?
I think the Knicks need to go up to 3 or maybe even 4 first rounders to get NO to bite. Otherwise, is this really a better deal than the one the Pelicans are offering? Ingram is similar to Knox but he's further along in his development and likely has a little bit more upside, Frank meh, Mitch is raw and I love his upside but they can get a good asset for flipping Ball and Kuzma despite probably already being at his ceiling is a good player.
Similar caliber player. Klay/Kemba will both be 29 in year 1 of their next deals and would both represent the worst "best player" to win a title outside of the Pistons teams... since when? Seattle 40 years ago? That's a 3-4 seed. The Knicks would essentially be the Raptors. A very good regular season team that nobody really thinks is a contender. Would be even worse than missing out on "all" of the max guys this off-season.
Has anyone watched much of the Clippers this year? Â
If so, how does SGA look? I was impressed by him in summer league and he's being touted as a possible centerpiece in an AD deal by Zach Lowe and others. His numbers are decent for a rookie but it doesn't look like he's lighting the world on fire.
Zach Lowe in a column today mentioned they could put a package together centered around SGA and he Heat's pick but he, Woj and others have said the Knicks don't have what it takes to do a deal now. Is that really better than a deal centered around Knox + the Knicks unprotected 1 this year? Even still if you throw in Dallas unprotected 2021 pick and/or Robinson? Am I missing something or is it just anti-Knick media bias?
Player A 16.0, 3 and 2 on 47% from the field, 41% from 3, 104 Ortg, 107 Drtg, .90 WS/48
Player B 19.4, 3.5, 2 on 46% from the field, 42% from 3, 109 Ortg, 108 Drg, .110 WS/48
One is Allan Houston through age 28, the other is Klay. MASSIVE pass for the Knicks adding Klay Thompson (sans it being with a KD/Kawhi/AD centerpiece)
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Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (and Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas), and 2 first-round picks
for Anthony Davis (and Solomon Hill).
which side says no?
I mean, I get it, but if you really think you can sign two max guys, they can just sign those guys and keep those assets. If you do this trade, there'd be only room for one max guy in July.
RE: RE: Klay is a far better defender than AH was Â
Similar caliber player. Klay/Kemba will both be 29 in year 1 of their next deals and would both represent the worst "best player" to win a title outside of the Pistons teams... since when? Seattle 40 years ago? That's a 3-4 seed. The Knicks would essentially be the Raptors. A very good regular season team that nobody really thinks is a contender. Would be even worse than missing out on "all" of the max guys this off-season.
Agree with this... If they fail to get 2 of KD/Kyrie/Kawhi/AD, maybe even if they fail to get 1 of..then IMO they need to adopt the 76ers model and tank again..and again..and again.. until you get the 2 superstars you need through the draft and THEN make your splash for the Klay/Kemba level player to supplement
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Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (and Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas), and 2 first-round picks
for Anthony Davis (and Solomon Hill).
which side says no?
I mean, I get it, but if you really think you can sign two max guys, they can just sign those guys and keep those assets. If you do this trade, there'd be only room for one max guy in July.
Agreed... unless you REALLY thought Durant/Kyrie were going to pull a LeBron/Bosh and take less.. but can't expect that...
I cannot see him leaving. Unless the Warriors really botch it, he's staying. Pay him the max and forget about it. The guy has more than earned it for them.
-Anyone read Berman's latest article on Janis? He's reporting that Phil had a chance to trade KP to the Suns at the 2017 trade deadline for Booker and "draft pick that could have been Lauri Markannen"?
I cannot see him leaving. Unless the Warriors really botch it, he's staying. Pay him the max and forget about it. The guy has more than earned it for them.
-Anyone read Berman's latest article on Janis? He's reporting that Phil had a chance to trade KP to the Suns at the 2017 trade deadline for Booker and "draft pick that could have been Lauri Markannen"?
I don't think that's true. IIRC reports out of Phoenix have been that the Knicks wanted Booker and the #4 pick (to draft Josh Jackson) and the Suns were offering #4, a future first they had from another team (can't remember the details) and some combination but not all of Bender, Chriss, Warren. Talks broke down because Phoenix refused to include Booker
I cannot see him leaving. Unless the Warriors really botch it, he's staying. Pay him the max and forget about it. The guy has more than earned it for them.
-Anyone read Berman's latest article on Janis? He's reporting that Phil had a chance to trade KP to the Suns at the 2017 trade deadline for Booker and "draft pick that could have been Lauri Markannen"?
Gambadoro has maintained the Knicks WANTED Booker but the Suns refused and their final offer was #4, 2 picks from Miami and "a young player" (not Booker however).
RE: Has anyone watched much of the Clippers this year? Â
If so, how does SGA look? I was impressed by him in summer league and he's being touted as a possible centerpiece in an AD deal by Zach Lowe and others. His numbers are decent for a rookie but it doesn't look like he's lighting the world on fire.
Zach Lowe in a column today mentioned they could put a package together centered around SGA and he Heat's pick but he, Woj and others have said the Knicks don't have what it takes to do a deal now. Is that really better than a deal centered around Knox + the Knicks unprotected 1 this year? Even still if you throw in Dallas unprotected 2021 pick and/or Robinson? Am I missing something or is it just anti-Knick media bias?
Good looking young player that shows alot of promise. I cannot imagine him being the centerpiece to getting Anthony Davis. The Lakers package is better.
The Lakers are being penalized because the Pelicans and other teams don't want to grant these players their wish. Along with getting taxed because they have Lebron and the Lakers lore...
What happens if the Lakers miss out on AD and strike out this summer? Then what?
I was just going to post this article from Ethan Strauss in the Athletic yesterday that talks about why it looks like KD very well may leave. Interestingly, the key reason has to do with Lebron. Makes me think it's incredibly unlikely he goes to the Clippers. Silent star: On the presumed Warriors’ exit of Kevin Durant - ( New Window )
Might better because it saves $5-6 mil in cap space vs Durant. He is also younger than Durant. I did post on this site last year that a well known sports doctor told my friend that it’s known that Kyrie and Kawhi will sign with the Knicks in 2019. I did put a huge for what it’s worth in front of that.
much as Durant gets knocked for his sensitivity he does have a personality and I think he'd be fine in NYC. Kawhi doesn't seem like an NYC guy but who knows?
I was just going to post this article from Ethan Strauss in the Athletic yesterday that talks about why it looks like KD very well may leave. Interestingly, the key reason has to do with Lebron. Makes me think it's incredibly unlikely he goes to the Clippers. Silent star: On the presumed Warriors’ exit of Kevin Durant - ( New Window )
Someday some superstar is going to understand that bringing an NBA title to the Knicks will dwarf the accomplishment in any other city. The player will be a legend in the truest sense of the word.
Might better because it saves $5-6 mil in cap space vs Durant. He is also younger than Durant. I did post on this site last year that a well known sports doctor told my friend that it’s known that Kyrie and Kawhi will sign with the Knicks in 2019. I did put a huge for what it’s worth in front of that.
I remember you saying that and thinking it was the craziest thing I'd ever heard. Regardless of how things shake out, it's a far more realistic possibility than I'd ever have imagined.
That article brings up a great point. There’s nothing left to prove for Durant in GSW. He’s always be 2nd to Curry and his time there hasn’t really bumped him up in the hierachry of the NBA. Not saying this is fair but perception is reality.
I can’t believe I’m falling for this again but I think the Knicks are the clear cut favorite to sign him. I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen at this point.
That article brings up a great point. There’s nothing left to prove for Durant in GSW. He’s always be 2nd to Curry and his time there hasn’t really bumped him up in the hierachry of the NBA. Not saying this is fair but perception is reality.
I can’t believe I’m falling for this again but I think the Knicks are the clear cut favorite to sign him. I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen at this point.
This offseason is going to be nuts.
Honestly this is the most exciting time to be a Knicks fan since June/July 2010...
Durant has alluded to wanting the ball in his hands more. Â
It's an opportunity he's never had, and was a source of friction between him and Westbrook. I think he views it as the final step in his growth as a player. Kyrie is a ball dominant player too, so I'm not sure how that would shake out, but that's a "first world" NBA problem I'd be willing to tackle as a Knicks fan.
a Knicks fan so I can't get too excited but I think Durant has a real shot. I do question Kyrie wanting to play with KD and vice versa. So much of Kyrie's game is having the ball in his hands and he's been so vocal about wanting to be "the man". He would not be "the man" with KD here. Same problem he felt with Lebron. Who knows? Maybe he gives up on that being essential?
had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.
Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.
Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.
Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
I wonder if Washington blows it up. Trade Beal/ Porter, improve their lottery chances this year and full on tank next year. But either way that Wall contract really screws them. He's making 44 million in 2022 and 48million in 2023!
had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.
Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
I wonder if Washington blows it up. Trade Beal/ Porter, improve their lottery chances this year and full on tank next year. But either way that Wall contract really screws them. He's making 44 million in 2022 and 48million in 2023!
I think they'll move Beal this summer personally. Could be a Laker fallback if AD goes elsewhere. The cupboard is bare and with Wall looking to quite possibly never return to form and his contract, what's the point of not trading Beal and getting assets in return to rebuild. then you hope Wall makes it back and shows enough that you can deal him at some point with assets to clear him off the books or eventually stretch him. Otherwise, you're going nowhere in a hurry although I guess they were anyways before any of the Wall injury stuff.
Handling the NY media is something different I agree, but I've seen the suggestion he can't even handle NYC either. And I think that's stupid. He's here every offseason, and while not the size of NY, he isn't exactly in rural America right now either. And he seems to be handling that fine. He'll be fine here.
Player A 16.0, 3 and 2 on 47% from the field, 41% from 3, 104 Ortg, 107 Drtg, .90 WS/48
Player B 19.4, 3.5, 2 on 46% from the field, 42% from 3, 109 Ortg, 108 Drg, .110 WS/48
One is Allan Houston through age 28, the other is Klay. MASSIVE pass for the Knicks adding Klay Thompson (sans it being with a KD/Kawhi/AD centerpiece)
Klay is such a weird player. I hope he leaves the Warriors and Curry just so we can see how he can do in a different environment.
His advanced stats have always underrated him though imo. He's a plus defensive player who doesn't rack up steals/blocks/boards so I don't think the stats truly reflect how good he is on that end. That's what makes him different than Allan Houston, he can go out there and guard the Russell Westbrook's of the world better than 95% of the league.
Still, I worry about him offensively without Steph. The Warriors don't need him to be consistent so he gets a pass there. For the guy who's probably the only player in the league who I could see score 100 points in a game, I'm never shocked when I see him score 10 points.
Man, Denver should never deal with Utah ever again... in 2 trades Utah landed Gobert and Mitchel, giving up Erick Green, Trey Lyles and Tyler Lydon.. and Denver is 21 over .500 despite that + Porter a MAJOR lottery ticket
Player A 16.0, 3 and 2 on 47% from the field, 41% from 3, 104 Ortg, 107 Drtg, .90 WS/48
Player B 19.4, 3.5, 2 on 46% from the field, 42% from 3, 109 Ortg, 108 Drg, .110 WS/48
One is Allan Houston through age 28, the other is Klay. MASSIVE pass for the Knicks adding Klay Thompson (sans it being with a KD/Kawhi/AD centerpiece)
Klay is such a weird player. I hope he leaves the Warriors and Curry just so we can see how he can do in a different environment.
His advanced stats have always underrated him though imo. He's a plus defensive player who doesn't rack up steals/blocks/boards so I don't think the stats truly reflect how good he is on that end. That's what makes him different than Allan Houston, he can go out there and guard the Russell Westbrook's of the world better than 95% of the league.
Still, I worry about him offensively without Steph. The Warriors don't need him to be consistent so he gets a pass there. For the guy who's probably the only player in the league who I could see score 100 points in a game, I'm never shocked when I see him score 10 points.
All of this might be true but Houston also played in an era where it was easier to play defense so his offensive numbers likely would have been better in this era. Look, Klay is a good/very good player but he's not a #1 on a title team and a team like the Knicks can't afford to give a guy like that max money unless he's your clear #2 best player.
Handling the NY media is something different I agree, but I've seen the suggestion he can't even handle NYC either. And I think that's stupid. He's here every offseason, and while not the size of NY, he isn't exactly in rural America right now either. And he seems to be handling that fine. He'll be fine here.
He should take media training classes taught by Mitchell Robinson. Give them NOTHING
Stanimal doesn't look like an NBA player to me. Maker has NBA length and range. He's been underwhelming but playing for a contender limited his minutes. I'm more down on Frank than most but I'd offer Frank for Thon #Knicks
Handling the NY media is something different I agree, but I've seen the suggestion he can't even handle NYC either. And I think that's stupid. He's here every offseason, and while not the size of NY, he isn't exactly in rural America right now either. And he seems to be handling that fine. He'll be fine here.
He should take media training classes taught by Mitchell Robinson. Give them NOTHING
Eli's next career!
IMO the more I think about this the more it looks purely business Â
has made "everyone" available (at the right price)
Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.
I wonder if its worth tossing around getting Jrue Holliday. He's a way better defender than Kyrie. He's not crazy expensive at around 25 mill per for the next 3 years. He's been really good the past 2 years. Not as dynamic offensively as Kyrie but still pretty damn good.
has made "everyone" available (at the right price)
Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.
I wonder if its worth tossing around getting Jrue Holliday. He's a way better defender than Kyrie. He's not crazy expensive at around 25 mill per for the next 3 years. He's been really good the past 2 years. Not as dynamic offensively as Kyrie but still pretty damn good.
Not a bad idea if we want to give the Pels an option for a complete rebuild. Trade an asset to a 3rd team for Solomon Hill and just completely clear out their cap with sending back expirings. Many less moving parts that way and you clear it through KD in advance with your back channels. You make it pretty close to 100% then IMO. They think KD is coming but that might be based on assumptions of Kyrie or Leonard coming here that very well might not come to fruition or have not even made up their minds.
At this point, Matthews seems likely to end up the most sought-after player on the buyout market. The Knicks have reportedly been contacted by at least one team about acquiring him in a trade in order to prevent him from becoming available at all, but if he hits waivers, there are any number of contenders that will and should be immediately interested in his services, whether as a starter or as a reserve.
Matthews is no longer at his 3-and-D peak, but he can still be valuable as a multi-positional defender on the wing who can knock down spot-up shots, post up smaller defenders, and take advantage of rotations as a second-side ball-handler. The Rockets and Sixers make sense as potential fits, but teams like the Thunder, Warriors, and especially Lakers (if they trade half their roster for Anthony Davis) should unquestionably get involved if he becomes available.
New York may apparently decide to hang onto Jordan due to his friendship with Kevin Durant. Assuming the organization comes to the realization that that particular line of thinking doesn’t make much sense, Jordan should have several potential suitors. The Rockets could make a good deal of sense with Clint Capela still on the mend, but with the likelihood that Jordan would be pushed into a bench role upon Capela’s return, it’s tough to see him being overly interested. The Warriors may have other targets in mind, although being able to split their center minutes between Jordan and DeMarcus Cousins would be a blast.
But the best fit may be the one that’s been talked about the most: A return to Los Angeles, this time with the Lakers. He’d make a ton of sense there whether L.A. trades for Davis or not. We all know AD would prefer not to play center and LeBron James would prefer not to play the 4, so Jordan could slot in ahead of JaVale McGee and Tyson Chandler as the preferred center option when the team goes big.
It remains to be seen whether any playoff teams would be interested in Kanter, or why they would be interested in a guy who has looked like a liability during the playoffs in his career. But crazier things have happened.
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Per @WindhorstESPN on The Jump, Mike Conley's agent has made it known he does not want to play with Utah #Jazz. If he's going to be traded, he would prefer to go to the Eastern Conference.
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Per @WindhorstESPN on The Jump, Mike Conley's agent has made it known he does not want to play with Utah #Jazz. If he's going to be traded, he would prefer to go to the Eastern Conference.
Well, unfortunately for Mike, he doesn't have a choice.
Miami acquires the $20.4M and $21.3M contract of Ryan Anderson. The salary in 2019-20 is guaranteed $15.64M with the remaining amount becoming fully protected if he is not waived by July 10. The tax projection in Miami will increase from $9.7M to $11.8M. However, because Kelly Olynyk is likely to miss out on his $1M bonus for playing 1700 minutes this year, the trade projects to be tax neutral.
Miami acquires the $20.4M and $21.3M contract of Ryan Anderson. The salary in 2019-20 is guaranteed $15.64M with the remaining amount becoming fully protected if he is not waived by July 10. The tax projection in Miami will increase from $9.7M to $11.8M. However, because Kelly Olynyk is likely to miss out on his $1M bonus for playing 1700 minutes this year, the trade projects to be tax neutral.
has made "everyone" available (at the right price)
Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.
I wonder if its worth tossing around getting Jrue Holliday. He's a way better defender than Kyrie. He's not crazy expensive at around 25 mill per for the next 3 years. He's been really good the past 2 years. Not as dynamic offensively as Kyrie but still pretty damn good.
I mean..would the idea be to get Jrue, AD, and KD?? That could work...but no way if you are talking Jrue as the sidekick for KD alone...
As the Knicks run out of time to find a trade for center Enes Kanter and his $18.6M expiring deal, discussions on a contract buyout are expected to begin as soon as the deadline passes on Thursday at 3 PM ET, league sources tell ESPN.
As the Knicks run out of time to find a trade for center Enes Kanter and his $18.6M expiring deal, discussions on a contract buyout are expected to begin as soon as the deadline passes on Thursday at 3 PM ET, league sources tell ESPN.
Can someone advise why team's buyout players? I'm assuming to get their contracts off the books at a lower cost than they are currently owed, while also granting them the opportunity to go out to the market and sign with a contender, therefore opening a roster spot, but is that it?
Am I missing something here?
If that is it, then why do teams do it? Knicks do not owe Kanter shit if they didn't want to buy him out. What is the ultimate benefit for the team?
Miami acquires the $20.4M and $21.3M contract of Ryan Anderson. The salary in 2019-20 is guaranteed $15.64M with the remaining amount becoming fully protected if he is not waived by July 10. The tax projection in Miami will increase from $9.7M to $11.8M. However, because Kelly Olynyk is likely to miss out on his $1M bonus for playing 1700 minutes this year, the trade projects to be tax neutral.
Suns also get Knicks great Wayne Ellington
Sixers and Celtics interested once he gets bought out
Wizards trade Otto Porter Jr. to the Bulls for Bobby Portis and Jabari Â
The Otto contract is one of the worst in the league. I might rather Portis over Otto even if they made the same amount. Otto is fine, but he is just that, fine. They basically have a version of Otto on the roster already in Denzel.
I think Anthony Davis will stay put for now. Lebron will waste this year, he will bitch and complain (even though he chose to go to LA). Walton will get fired.
The Otto contract is one of the worst in the league. I might rather Portis over Otto even if they made the same amount. Otto is fine, but he is just that, fine. They basically have a version of Otto on the roster already in Denzel.
you know what is sad, wizards cleared a big contract and still over the cap
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Houston, Cleveland and Sacramento completing a three-way deal that will send Iman Shumpert to the Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.
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Cleveland is trading Alec Burks and a second round pick to Sacramento in exchange for Iman Shumpert as part of a 3-team package that includes Houston, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Cleveland will send Alec Burks to the Kings, and Rockets send Brandon Knight, Marquese Chriss and a protected first to Cavaliers, sources tell ESPN.
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Cleveland will send Nik Stauskas and Wade Baldwin to the Rockets in the three-way deal, league source tells ESPN. Cavaliers acquired those two guards in Sunday's trade with Portland that sent Rodney Hood to the Blazers.
"If the Knicks can’t trade the large contracts of center Enes Kanter and swingman Wes Matthews for an expiring contract and a draft pick before the 3 p.m. deadline, the players are expected to be waived or bought out, according to a source.
They each make a difficult-to-move $18.6 million, but a league source said the Knicks still are still exploring trade options."
a bit of a miller here, but watching Bucks-Wizards I am struck by Â
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Anthony Davis has the Knicks on equal footing with the Lakers in terms of teams he is interested in signing with long-term, @NYTSports has learned. The Clippers and Bucks also remain preferred destinations on his list.
A guy desperate to win wants to join a 10-43 team that just traded it's best young player. Hmmmm...
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Anthony Davis has the Knicks on equal footing with the Lakers in terms of teams he is interested in signing with long-term, @NYTSports has learned. The Clippers and Bucks also remain preferred destinations on his list.
A guy desperate to win wants to join a 10-43 team that just traded it's best young player. Hmmmm...
do you trade for him now, sign durant and a slightly lesser player rather than wait and try and sign durant and kyrie?
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assuming Powell picks up his option, Dallas' pick conveys to Atlanta, and they keep FA holds for DFS, Kleber and Kristaps, i have the Mavs at $30.9 million in cap space this summer.
that's roughly one renouncement/Justin Jackson trade away from max-contract territory.
Marc Stein: The Pelicans have not yet disclosed their intentions regarding Davis should they elect to keep him past Thursday’s 3 PM deadline. Davis wanted to play in both of New Orleans’ games this week but was understandably held out by the Pelicans
9 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: Davis, I’m told, prefers becoming a free agent in July 2020 to signing an extension with any team that acquires him
9 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: The Knicks could still try to trade for Davis before the deadline or wait until after the draft lottery in May, when the world will know how strong their top pick in June is. Either way, New York has ample encouragement to pursue a Davis trade before its big free-agent summer
9 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: Sources say Davis, meanwhile, remains adamant that he will not sign a long-term deal with Boston if the Celtics trade for him in July and that he would like to play out the rest of the season for the Pelicans if there’s no trade by tomorrow’s deadline
8 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: And whether he is traded before Thursday’s 3 PM trade deadline or in the offseason, league sources say, Davis intends to play out the remainder of his current contract and become a free agent in 2020 no matter where he lands.
8 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: Anthony Davis has the Knicks on equal footing with the Lakers in terms of teams he is interested in signing with long-term, @NYTSports has learned. The Clippers and Bucks also remain preferred destinations on his list
Rachel Nichols: So I asked @WindhorstESPN if the Pels ever intended to seriously engage with LA on Anthony Davis, or if all the talks & leaks were instead designed to sabotage the young Lakers as revenge for what N.O. sees as tampering, & he said “it’s not just possible, it’s what happened.”
Marc Stein: The Pelicans have not yet disclosed their intentions regarding Davis should they elect to keep him past Thursday’s 3 PM deadline. Davis wanted to play in both of New Orleans’ games this week but was understandably held out by the Pelicans
9 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: Davis, I’m told, prefers becoming a free agent in July 2020 to signing an extension with any team that acquires him
9 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: The Knicks could still try to trade for Davis before the deadline or wait until after the draft lottery in May, when the world will know how strong their top pick in June is. Either way, New York has ample encouragement to pursue a Davis trade before its big free-agent summer
9 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: Sources say Davis, meanwhile, remains adamant that he will not sign a long-term deal with Boston if the Celtics trade for him in July and that he would like to play out the rest of the season for the Pelicans if there’s no trade by tomorrow’s deadline
8 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: And whether he is traded before Thursday’s 3 PM trade deadline or in the offseason, league sources say, Davis intends to play out the remainder of his current contract and become a free agent in 2020 no matter where he lands.
8 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
Marc Stein: Anthony Davis has the Knicks on equal footing with the Lakers in terms of teams he is interested in signing with long-term, @NYTSports has learned. The Clippers and Bucks also remain preferred destinations on his list
I hope that is all it is. He wants to get traded but him really not being committal could be giving teams pause or not their best offer to get him now just in case.
I hope that is all it is. He wants to get traded but him really not being committal could be giving teams pause or not their best offer to get him now just in case.
If your AD and go to Knicks, you also probably want to make sure they actually land the other guys before you extend....
I hope that is all it is. He wants to get traded but him really not being committal could be giving teams pause or not their best offer to get him now just in case.
If your AD and go to Knicks, you also probably want to make sure they actually land the other guys before you extend....
I get that. Believe me I do. But I am not talking solely about them. I am talking about other teams. But I agree that it is very interesting that that he specifically mentions the Knicks when we have had the worst winning percentage in the league since like 2003 or some shit.
announcers and studio people have to be on the Lakers payroll at this point. Almost all of them are pushing the narrative that the Pelicans have to take the offer the Lakers made and how they're not sure the Lakers should even be offering that much.
The Lakers offer is hot garbage. It's just a lot of hot garbage. But hot garbage plus hot garbage still equals hot garbage.
Can we just appreciate the trolling job NO is doing to LA? Â
fail to even mention that there is zero reason for Pelicans to trade him right now. The Lakers offer is going to be on the table the entire off-season. They're not going to suddenly pull the offer, they know its total trash.
The Pelicans gained a lot of leverage if it is indeed true that Davis is willing to sign long term with more than just the Lakers. If that is indeed true I don't see any way he winds up with the Lakers. Multiple teams can beat their offer in their sleep.
If I'm the Pelicans even if he says he will only sign long term with the Lakers I wouldn't trade him to them and i'd make him play out his contract. Yeah, they'd be losing out on the Lakers offer, but the Lakers offer isn't making them anything but at the very best a fringe playoff team. It would be worth more to a smaller market team like that to stand up to a player like Davis and stop letting star players hold teams hostage that they dont want to resign with. One team has to do it soon, and if the best the Pelicans can do is that steaming pile of shit then they should make an example out of Davis and stand up to these assholes. He can do whatever he wants but teams need to start standing up to these guys and not letting them dictate everything. They wouldn't be giving up much if they turned down the Lakers package and made him play out his contract.
RE: Can we just appreciate the trolling job NO is doing to LA? Â
announcers and studio people have to be on the Lakers payroll at this point. Almost all of them are pushing the narrative that the Pelicans have to take the offer the Lakers made and how they're not sure the Lakers should even be offering that much.
The Lakers offer is hot garbage. It's just a lot of hot garbage. But hot garbage plus hot garbage still equals hot garbage.
To be fair, it's not just them. Fox Sports is no better. The NBA media is full of Laker and LeBron Stans (not to mention Magic and Kobe Stans). KD may be a lot of things, but he wasn't wrong about the media having their heads up LeBron's ass and the toxic environments around his teams.
but dont like the morris trade. Morris is an expiring and a descent player, the wiz couldnt get a pick back?
I put the chances that AD gets traded today at like 1%, there is just no benefit for NO. Might as well wait. Personally id like to trade for him now cause then i dont have to stress on draft lottery day, lol
watching it i dont know if it hurt the knicks or helped lol
I don't think it did either hurt or help. I get why he's pissed. If anything, it reinforced the idea that KD wouldn't be able to handle the NY media.
do you know the backstory?
Yeah. He was going after Ethan Strauss. Even called him by name. Ethan who is butthurt over not getting a story from Durant. If there's anything more than that, I don't know.
Because people are presuming, probably correctly, that the Dubs are going to win a 3rd straight ring & then it's, 'Well, where are you going this summer?'
watching it i dont know if it hurt the knicks or helped lol
I don't think it did either hurt or help. I get why he's pissed. If anything, it reinforced the idea that KD wouldn't be able to handle the NY media.
do you know the backstory?
Yeah. He was going after Ethan Strauss. Even called him by name. Ethan who is butthurt over not getting a story from Durant. If there's anything more than that, I don't know.
yeah and basically he has been wroting every day how kd is irgnoring the media because he doesnt want to talk about the kp trade and it means hr is going to the knicks
Because people are presuming, probably correctly, that the Dubs are going to win a 3rd straight ring & then it's, 'Well, where are you going this summer?'
I love Durant, but he can STFU.
He purposefully orchestrates his contracts to give himself annual flexibility to assess where he wants to play virtually every offseason.
That's totally his right, and extremely smart.
But don't shit a small sedan when the media and fans then go speculate where you're going to play.
If keeping it on the court and not having it analyzed to death is so important, sign a max.
If he can't commit to a veritable all star team, that he sought out, in a brand new arena, in the most desirable area of the country, in arguably the most relevant city in the world right now, maybe he's just kinda asking for it?
watching it i dont know if it hurt the knicks or helped lol
I'm not sure he can handle NY and being THE guy. I have serious reservations about how he handles adversity because it seems to be not well at all.
He won't have guys like Harden, Russ, Steph or Draymond to pass the buck off to when things get rough here. If he comes here, even WITH Kyrie, he is going to be the no-doubt Alpha dog here and the guy expected to carry the Knicks.
The spotlight is going to be directly on him more than it has ever been before and I think he's a bitch who won't handle it well.
Tommy Beer just tweeted they would. The Knicks have 71, LAC "more than 70 million" so if it's 71 also, then the same, big whoop.
"If the Clippers trade Danilo Gallinari this week, they will enter 2019 feee agency with 70+ million in cap space."-Tommy Beer
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Tommy Beer just tweeted they would. The Knicks have 71, LAC "more than 70 million" so if it's 71 also, then the same, big whoop.
beer is wrong they would have 64 roughly if they renounce bradley, they have 37 after harris trade
Take it up with him, he tweeted it. He seems to know his shit.
He becomes a free agent after next season, so maybe someone looking to clear space in 2020 will make a deal for him.
He's guaranteed only 1 million if he's gone by 1/10
They really don't. Is that trade even an major upgrade for Toronto? Gasol is better than JV but Gasol has really fallen off. And Lowry and Conley are debatable...
They can offer Miami's 2021 unprotected pick, Shamet, SGA, Sixers pick etc but that looks very light to me...
I do love that trade for the Clippers though.
I think its Warriors or Knicks for Durant. But I also never would have thought Lebron would go the Heat in 2010...
They can offer Miami's 2021 unprotected pick, Shamet, SGA, Sixers pick etc but that looks very light to me...
Lakers offer is much better than that. I don't think that 2021 Miami pick is a crown jewel. They are a very well run organization that rarely picks high in the draft...
They can offer Miami's 2021 unprotected pick, Shamet, SGA, Sixers pick etc but that looks very light to me...
I think they’d have to get to at least 3, likely 4 firsts with SGA to get a deal done. Just like the Knicks in addition to Knox, Robinson etc. Awfully big gambles unless you’re certain you’re getting your rumored superstar (Durant for the Knicks and Kawhi for the Clips)
You want to keep Lance Thomas? Do you watch the Knicks? It’s basically a certainty he’s not on the team next year. He’s a borderline NBA player if that even and he makes $6M/yr. If he was a FA he wouldn’t get more than the vet min and wouldn’t be in high demand either
Thomas does not make pennies. He's gone 100% after the year. 7.6 million for Lance Thomas is not "pennies" he's garbage and they can dump him and save 6.6. Not a single team in the NBA gives hiM NEAR that.
$73 M in cap space
How much of that money will go for two max contracts
I know that it is dependent upon the players but what would you anticipate ?
How much money will be left to fill out the team
With the NBA who knows but there are claims Boogie has been open about his plans to join LAC even with his GS teammates.
He is either going to stay in Golden State or go to the Knicks.
Lance Thomas salary only guaranteed for 1 million next year
most think kawhi to clips and durant to knicks..
harris and butler stay in philly..
klay stays with warriors
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Lance Thomas salary only guaranteed for 1 million next year
That’s my point :)
most think kawhi to clips and durant to knicks..
harris and butler stay in philly..
klay stays with warriors
Everyone is assuming Klay stays in GS
He’s going to want the MAX
Can GS do that with KD possibly coming back
With Curry on the books for 40. With DG waiting for the MAX
I feel the one player out of those 4 that might leave is Klay. Especially if KD picks up his option
There are teams that will give Klay the MAX
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Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (and Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas), and 2 first-round picks
for Anthony Davis (and Solomon Hill).
which side says no?
It's eerie how similar their shooting form is. Carbon copy
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Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (and Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas), and 2 first-round picks
for Anthony Davis (and Solomon Hill).
which side says no?
I think the Knicks need to go up to 3 or maybe even 4 first rounders to get NO to bite. Otherwise, is this really a better deal than the one the Pelicans are offering? Ingram is similar to Knox but he's further along in his development and likely has a little bit more upside, Frank meh, Mitch is raw and I love his upside but they can get a good asset for flipping Ball and Kuzma despite probably already being at his ceiling is a good player.
Similar caliber player. Klay/Kemba will both be 29 in year 1 of their next deals and would both represent the worst "best player" to win a title outside of the Pistons teams... since when? Seattle 40 years ago? That's a 3-4 seed. The Knicks would essentially be the Raptors. A very good regular season team that nobody really thinks is a contender. Would be even worse than missing out on "all" of the max guys this off-season.
Zach Lowe in a column today mentioned they could put a package together centered around SGA and he Heat's pick but he, Woj and others have said the Knicks don't have what it takes to do a deal now. Is that really better than a deal centered around Knox + the Knicks unprotected 1 this year? Even still if you throw in Dallas unprotected 2021 pick and/or Robinson? Am I missing something or is it just anti-Knick media bias?
Player B 19.4, 3.5, 2 on 46% from the field, 42% from 3, 109 Ortg, 108 Drg, .110 WS/48
One is Allan Houston through age 28, the other is Klay. MASSIVE pass for the Knicks adding Klay Thompson (sans it being with a KD/Kawhi/AD centerpiece)
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Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (and Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas), and 2 first-round picks
for Anthony Davis (and Solomon Hill).
which side says no?
The Pelicans.
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Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (and Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas), and 2 first-round picks
for Anthony Davis (and Solomon Hill).
which side says no?
I mean, I get it, but if you really think you can sign two max guys, they can just sign those guys and keep those assets. If you do this trade, there'd be only room for one max guy in July.
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Similar caliber player. Klay/Kemba will both be 29 in year 1 of their next deals and would both represent the worst "best player" to win a title outside of the Pistons teams... since when? Seattle 40 years ago? That's a 3-4 seed. The Knicks would essentially be the Raptors. A very good regular season team that nobody really thinks is a contender. Would be even worse than missing out on "all" of the max guys this off-season.
Agree with this... If they fail to get 2 of KD/Kyrie/Kawhi/AD, maybe even if they fail to get 1 of..then IMO they need to adopt the 76ers model and tank again..and again..and again.. until you get the 2 superstars you need through the draft and THEN make your splash for the Klay/Kemba level player to supplement
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Kevin Knox, Mitchell Robinson, Frank Ntilikina, Damyean Dotson (and Enes Kanter and Lance Thomas), and 2 first-round picks
for Anthony Davis (and Solomon Hill).
which side says no?
I mean, I get it, but if you really think you can sign two max guys, they can just sign those guys and keep those assets. If you do this trade, there'd be only room for one max guy in July.
Agreed... unless you REALLY thought Durant/Kyrie were going to pull a LeBron/Bosh and take less.. but can't expect that...
Kawhi is a Clipper
Durant is a Knick
No idea about Kyrie, Boogie, Kemba or most importantly, AD.
-Anyone read Berman's latest article on Janis? He's reporting that Phil had a chance to trade KP to the Suns at the 2017 trade deadline for Booker and "draft pick that could have been Lauri Markannen"?
SG: Klay, Trier
SF: Knox, Dotson
PF: Zion, Vonleh
C: Robinson, Kornet
...if KD didn't come here.
-Anyone read Berman's latest article on Janis? He's reporting that Phil had a chance to trade KP to the Suns at the 2017 trade deadline for Booker and "draft pick that could have been Lauri Markannen"?
I don't think that's true. IIRC reports out of Phoenix have been that the Knicks wanted Booker and the #4 pick (to draft Josh Jackson) and the Suns were offering #4, a future first they had from another team (can't remember the details) and some combination but not all of Bender, Chriss, Warren. Talks broke down because Phoenix refused to include Booker
-Anyone read Berman's latest article on Janis? He's reporting that Phil had a chance to trade KP to the Suns at the 2017 trade deadline for Booker and "draft pick that could have been Lauri Markannen"?
Gambadoro has maintained the Knicks WANTED Booker but the Suns refused and their final offer was #4, 2 picks from Miami and "a young player" (not Booker however).
Zach Lowe in a column today mentioned they could put a package together centered around SGA and he Heat's pick but he, Woj and others have said the Knicks don't have what it takes to do a deal now. Is that really better than a deal centered around Knox + the Knicks unprotected 1 this year? Even still if you throw in Dallas unprotected 2021 pick and/or Robinson? Am I missing something or is it just anti-Knick media bias?
Good looking young player that shows alot of promise. I cannot imagine him being the centerpiece to getting Anthony Davis. The Lakers package is better.
The Lakers are being penalized because the Pelicans and other teams don't want to grant these players their wish. Along with getting taxed because they have Lebron and the Lakers lore...
What happens if the Lakers miss out on AD and strike out this summer? Then what?
Or come to NYC & be king.
KD. Come on.
Or come to NYC & be king.
KD. Come on.
I was just going to post this article from Ethan Strauss in the Athletic yesterday that talks about why it looks like KD very well may leave. Interestingly, the key reason has to do with Lebron. Makes me think it's incredibly unlikely he goes to the Clippers.
Silent star: On the presumed Warriors’ exit of Kevin Durant - ( New Window )
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Or come to NYC & be king.
KD. Come on.
I was just going to post this article from Ethan Strauss in the Athletic yesterday that talks about why it looks like KD very well may leave. Interestingly, the key reason has to do with Lebron. Makes me think it's incredibly unlikely he goes to the Clippers. Silent star: On the presumed Warriors’ exit of Kevin Durant - ( New Window )
Someday some superstar is going to understand that bringing an NBA title to the Knicks will dwarf the accomplishment in any other city. The player will be a legend in the truest sense of the word.
Hoping Durant is that guy.
I remember you saying that and thinking it was the craziest thing I'd ever heard. Regardless of how things shake out, it's a far more realistic possibility than I'd ever have imagined.
I can’t believe I’m falling for this again but I think the Knicks are the clear cut favorite to sign him. I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen at this point.
This offseason is going to be nuts.
I can’t believe I’m falling for this again but I think the Knicks are the clear cut favorite to sign him. I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen at this point.
This offseason is going to be nuts.
Honestly this is the most exciting time to be a Knicks fan since June/July 2010...
i dont think we will have to wait long i think most of these guys kbow what their doing..
Kd has already said there will be no pitches
Kd has already said there will be no pitches
I didn't see that. I know he said he's all about the money I believe.
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Kd has already said there will be no pitches
I didn't see that. I know he said he's all about the money I believe.
he said it in the podcast with chris haynes, who i have to say may be the best behind woj
If they spin that.... they are gonna do some good things. Rubio has 1 year left..... he sucks... but
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3 first round picks?
Thats a start.
Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
Until Zion joins the Cavs.
Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
I wonder if Washington blows it up. Trade Beal/ Porter, improve their lottery chances this year and full on tank next year. But either way that Wall contract really screws them. He's making 44 million in 2022 and 48million in 2023!
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had a stranglehold on worst outlook for fixing their current situation; I'd say that distinction belongs to Washington (clear winner) and behind them, Cleveland.
Memphis would be 3rd despite Jackson being a good young player
I wonder if Washington blows it up. Trade Beal/ Porter, improve their lottery chances this year and full on tank next year. But either way that Wall contract really screws them. He's making 44 million in 2022 and 48million in 2023!
I think they'll move Beal this summer personally. Could be a Laker fallback if AD goes elsewhere. The cupboard is bare and with Wall looking to quite possibly never return to form and his contract, what's the point of not trading Beal and getting assets in return to rebuild. then you hope Wall makes it back and shows enough that you can deal him at some point with assets to clear him off the books or eventually stretch him. Otherwise, you're going nowhere in a hurry although I guess they were anyways before any of the Wall injury stuff.
Player B 19.4, 3.5, 2 on 46% from the field, 42% from 3, 109 Ortg, 108 Drg, .110 WS/48
One is Allan Houston through age 28, the other is Klay. MASSIVE pass for the Knicks adding Klay Thompson (sans it being with a KD/Kawhi/AD centerpiece)
Klay is such a weird player. I hope he leaves the Warriors and Curry just so we can see how he can do in a different environment.
His advanced stats have always underrated him though imo. He's a plus defensive player who doesn't rack up steals/blocks/boards so I don't think the stats truly reflect how good he is on that end. That's what makes him different than Allan Houston, he can go out there and guard the Russell Westbrook's of the world better than 95% of the league.
Still, I worry about him offensively without Steph. The Warriors don't need him to be consistent so he gets a pass there. For the guy who's probably the only player in the league who I could see score 100 points in a game, I'm never shocked when I see him score 10 points.
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Player A 16.0, 3 and 2 on 47% from the field, 41% from 3, 104 Ortg, 107 Drtg, .90 WS/48
Player B 19.4, 3.5, 2 on 46% from the field, 42% from 3, 109 Ortg, 108 Drg, .110 WS/48
One is Allan Houston through age 28, the other is Klay. MASSIVE pass for the Knicks adding Klay Thompson (sans it being with a KD/Kawhi/AD centerpiece)
Klay is such a weird player. I hope he leaves the Warriors and Curry just so we can see how he can do in a different environment.
His advanced stats have always underrated him though imo. He's a plus defensive player who doesn't rack up steals/blocks/boards so I don't think the stats truly reflect how good he is on that end. That's what makes him different than Allan Houston, he can go out there and guard the Russell Westbrook's of the world better than 95% of the league.
Still, I worry about him offensively without Steph. The Warriors don't need him to be consistent so he gets a pass there. For the guy who's probably the only player in the league who I could see score 100 points in a game, I'm never shocked when I see him score 10 points.
All of this might be true but Houston also played in an era where it was easier to play defense so his offensive numbers likely would have been better in this era. Look, Klay is a good/very good player but he's not a #1 on a title team and a team like the Knicks can't afford to give a guy like that max money unless he's your clear #2 best player.
He should take media training classes taught by Mitchell Robinson. Give them NOTHING
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Handling the NY media is something different I agree, but I've seen the suggestion he can't even handle NYC either. And I think that's stupid. He's here every offseason, and while not the size of NY, he isn't exactly in rural America right now either. And he seems to be handling that fine. He'll be fine here.
He should take media training classes taught by Mitchell Robinson. Give them NOTHING
Eli's next career!
Think turning the Knicks around is a pretty good way to make new friends, perhaps find yourself included on deals you wouldn't otherwise be...
Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.
Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.
I wonder if its worth tossing around getting Jrue Holliday. He's a way better defender than Kyrie. He's not crazy expensive at around 25 mill per for the next 3 years. He's been really good the past 2 years. Not as dynamic offensively as Kyrie but still pretty damn good.
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Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.
I wonder if its worth tossing around getting Jrue Holliday. He's a way better defender than Kyrie. He's not crazy expensive at around 25 mill per for the next 3 years. He's been really good the past 2 years. Not as dynamic offensively as Kyrie but still pretty damn good.
Not a bad idea if we want to give the Pels an option for a complete rebuild. Trade an asset to a 3rd team for Solomon Hill and just completely clear out their cap with sending back expirings. Many less moving parts that way and you clear it through KD in advance with your back channels. You make it pretty close to 100% then IMO. They think KD is coming but that might be based on assumptions of Kyrie or Leonard coming here that very well might not come to fruition or have not even made up their minds.
Matthews is no longer at his 3-and-D peak, but he can still be valuable as a multi-positional defender on the wing who can knock down spot-up shots, post up smaller defenders, and take advantage of rotations as a second-side ball-handler. The Rockets and Sixers make sense as potential fits, but teams like the Thunder, Warriors, and especially Lakers (if they trade half their roster for Anthony Davis) should unquestionably get involved if he becomes available.
New York may apparently decide to hang onto Jordan due to his friendship with Kevin Durant. Assuming the organization comes to the realization that that particular line of thinking doesn’t make much sense, Jordan should have several potential suitors. The Rockets could make a good deal of sense with Clint Capela still on the mend, but with the likelihood that Jordan would be pushed into a bench role upon Capela’s return, it’s tough to see him being overly interested. The Warriors may have other targets in mind, although being able to split their center minutes between Jordan and DeMarcus Cousins would be a blast.
But the best fit may be the one that’s been talked about the most: A return to Los Angeles, this time with the Lakers. He’d make a ton of sense there whether L.A. trades for Davis or not. We all know AD would prefer not to play center and LeBron James would prefer not to play the 4, so Jordan could slot in ahead of JaVale McGee and Tyson Chandler as the preferred center option when the team goes big.
It remains to be seen whether any playoff teams would be interested in Kanter, or why they would be interested in a guy who has looked like a liability during the playoffs in his career. But crazier things have happened.
PF: Zion, Vonleh
The Zion part requires a certain little ball to bounce the right way.
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Per @WindhorstESPN on The Jump, Mike Conley's agent has made it known he does not want to play with Utah #Jazz. If he's going to be traded, he would prefer to go to the Eastern Conference.
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Per @WindhorstESPN on The Jump, Mike Conley's agent has made it known he does not want to play with Utah #Jazz. If he's going to be traded, he would prefer to go to the Eastern Conference.
Well, unfortunately for Mike, he doesn't have a choice.
Miami acquires the $20.4M and $21.3M contract of Ryan Anderson. The salary in 2019-20 is guaranteed $15.64M with the remaining amount becoming fully protected if he is not waived by July 10. The tax projection in Miami will increase from $9.7M to $11.8M. However, because Kelly Olynyk is likely to miss out on his $1M bonus for playing 1700 minutes this year, the trade projects to be tax neutral.
Miami acquires the $20.4M and $21.3M contract of Ryan Anderson. The salary in 2019-20 is guaranteed $15.64M with the remaining amount becoming fully protected if he is not waived by July 10. The tax projection in Miami will increase from $9.7M to $11.8M. However, because Kelly Olynyk is likely to miss out on his $1M bonus for playing 1700 minutes this year, the trade projects to be tax neutral.
Suns also get Knicks great Wayne Ellington
Fuck Mike Conley. Let him rot in Memphis then...
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has made "everyone" available (at the right price)
Per Stein, Memphis wants 2 firsts in any Conley deal, Utah and Detroit in on him.
I wonder if its worth tossing around getting Jrue Holliday. He's a way better defender than Kyrie. He's not crazy expensive at around 25 mill per for the next 3 years. He's been really good the past 2 years. Not as dynamic offensively as Kyrie but still pretty damn good.
I mean..would the idea be to get Jrue, AD, and KD?? That could work...but no way if you are talking Jrue as the sidekick for KD alone...
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As the Knicks run out of time to find a trade for center Enes Kanter and his $18.6M expiring deal, discussions on a contract buyout are expected to begin as soon as the deadline passes on Thursday at 3 PM ET, league sources tell ESPN.
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As the Knicks run out of time to find a trade for center Enes Kanter and his $18.6M expiring deal, discussions on a contract buyout are expected to begin as soon as the deadline passes on Thursday at 3 PM ET, league sources tell ESPN.
Can someone advise why team's buyout players? I'm assuming to get their contracts off the books at a lower cost than they are currently owed, while also granting them the opportunity to go out to the market and sign with a contender, therefore opening a roster spot, but is that it?
Am I missing something here?
If that is it, then why do teams do it? Knicks do not owe Kanter shit if they didn't want to buy him out. What is the ultimate benefit for the team?
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Miami acquires the $20.4M and $21.3M contract of Ryan Anderson. The salary in 2019-20 is guaranteed $15.64M with the remaining amount becoming fully protected if he is not waived by July 10. The tax projection in Miami will increase from $9.7M to $11.8M. However, because Kelly Olynyk is likely to miss out on his $1M bonus for playing 1700 minutes this year, the trade projects to be tax neutral.
Suns also get Knicks great Wayne Ellington
Sixers and Celtics interested once he gets bought out
you know what is sad, wizards cleared a big contract and still over the cap
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Houston, Cleveland and Sacramento completing a three-way deal that will send Iman Shumpert to the Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.
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They each make a difficult-to-move $18.6 million, but a league source said the Knicks still are still exploring trade options."
But the Knicks are toxic and such 🤔
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Anthony Davis has the Knicks on equal footing with the Lakers in terms of teams he is interested in signing with long-term, @NYTSports has learned. The Clippers and Bucks also remain preferred destinations on his list.
A guy desperate to win wants to join a 10-43 team that just traded it's best young player. Hmmmm...
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Anthony Davis has the Knicks on equal footing with the Lakers in terms of teams he is interested in signing with long-term, @NYTSports has learned. The Clippers and Bucks also remain preferred destinations on his list.
A guy desperate to win wants to join a 10-43 team that just traded it's best young player. Hmmmm...
do you trade for him now, sign durant and a slightly lesser player rather than wait and try and sign durant and kyrie?
i think i trade for davis now if you can
part of me feels like he is leaking this so knicks will make a trade now, but i could be reading to much into it...
feels weird that this is being leaked now when it has been lakers and really only lakers even though knicks were on his list...
even woj started mentioning the knicks...
still would be roughly 55 million under
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assuming Powell picks up his option, Dallas' pick conveys to Atlanta, and they keep FA holds for DFS, Kleber and Kristaps, i have the Mavs at $30.9 million in cap space this summer.
that's roughly one renouncement/Justin Jackson trade away from max-contract territory.
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The Mavs have the most exciting teenager since LeBron, a player friendly owner and now are also big game hunters.
I can’t remember a summer in which this many desirable spots were legitimate max contract contenders.
This summer is about to blow 2000 and 2010 out of the water.
still would be roughly 55 million under
Take out Hill and this is a no brainer. You have 60-65 million in cap space heading into the summer with-
Davis
Robinson
Smith
Trier
Dotson
You add Durant and still have 20-25 mill in cap space. That team immediately becomes a title contender.
still would be roughly 55 million under
Giving up Knox, Frank (last two #1's) and four 1st round picks is giving up too much IMO.
Marc Stein: The Pelicans have not yet disclosed their intentions regarding Davis should they elect to keep him past Thursday’s 3 PM deadline. Davis wanted to play in both of New Orleans’ games this week but was understandably held out by the Pelicans
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Marc Stein: Davis, I’m told, prefers becoming a free agent in July 2020 to signing an extension with any team that acquires him
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Marc Stein: The Knicks could still try to trade for Davis before the deadline or wait until after the draft lottery in May, when the world will know how strong their top pick in June is. Either way, New York has ample encouragement to pursue a Davis trade before its big free-agent summer
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Marc Stein: Sources say Davis, meanwhile, remains adamant that he will not sign a long-term deal with Boston if the Celtics trade for him in July and that he would like to play out the rest of the season for the Pelicans if there’s no trade by tomorrow’s deadline
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Marc Stein: And whether he is traded before Thursday’s 3 PM trade deadline or in the offseason, league sources say, Davis intends to play out the remainder of his current contract and become a free agent in 2020 no matter where he lands.
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Marc Stein: Anthony Davis has the Knicks on equal footing with the Lakers in terms of teams he is interested in signing with long-term, @NYTSports has learned. The Clippers and Bucks also remain preferred destinations on his list
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kanter, lance, hezonja, knox, frank, 2019 first, 2 mavs picks and another future first for davis and hill..
still would be roughly 55 million under
Take out Hill and this is a no brainer. You have 60-65 million in cap space heading into the summer with-
Davis
Robinson
Smith
Trier
Dotson
You add Durant and still have 20-25 mill in cap space. That team immediately becomes a title contender.
you can stretch hill to hive you more space..
Marc Stein: The Pelicans have not yet disclosed their intentions regarding Davis should they elect to keep him past Thursday’s 3 PM deadline. Davis wanted to play in both of New Orleans’ games this week but was understandably held out by the Pelicans
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Marc Stein: Davis, I’m told, prefers becoming a free agent in July 2020 to signing an extension with any team that acquires him
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Marc Stein: The Knicks could still try to trade for Davis before the deadline or wait until after the draft lottery in May, when the world will know how strong their top pick in June is. Either way, New York has ample encouragement to pursue a Davis trade before its big free-agent summer
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Marc Stein: Sources say Davis, meanwhile, remains adamant that he will not sign a long-term deal with Boston if the Celtics trade for him in July and that he would like to play out the rest of the season for the Pelicans if there’s no trade by tomorrow’s deadline
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Marc Stein: And whether he is traded before Thursday’s 3 PM trade deadline or in the offseason, league sources say, Davis intends to play out the remainder of his current contract and become a free agent in 2020 no matter where he lands.
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Marc Stein: Anthony Davis has the Knicks on equal footing with the Lakers in terms of teams he is interested in signing with long-term, @NYTSports has learned. The Clippers and Bucks also remain preferred destinations on his list
8 mins ago – via Twitter TheSteinLine
because he can make more waiting
If true then I do that deal.
Yeah and end up with Chandler Parsons, Harrison Barnes and Deandre Jordan.
I'm not worried about them.
If your AD and go to Knicks, you also probably want to make sure they actually land the other guys before you extend....
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I hope that is all it is. He wants to get traded but him really not being committal could be giving teams pause or not their best offer to get him now just in case.
If your AD and go to Knicks, you also probably want to make sure they actually land the other guys before you extend....
I get that. Believe me I do. But I am not talking solely about them. I am talking about other teams. But I agree that it is very interesting that that he specifically mentions the Knicks when we have had the worst winning percentage in the league since like 2003 or some shit.
The Lakers offer is hot garbage. It's just a lot of hot garbage. But hot garbage plus hot garbage still equals hot garbage.
The Pelicans gained a lot of leverage if it is indeed true that Davis is willing to sign long term with more than just the Lakers. If that is indeed true I don't see any way he winds up with the Lakers. Multiple teams can beat their offer in their sleep.
If I'm the Pelicans even if he says he will only sign long term with the Lakers I wouldn't trade him to them and i'd make him play out his contract. Yeah, they'd be losing out on the Lakers offer, but the Lakers offer isn't making them anything but at the very best a fringe playoff team. It would be worth more to a smaller market team like that to stand up to a player like Davis and stop letting star players hold teams hostage that they dont want to resign with. One team has to do it soon, and if the best the Pelicans can do is that steaming pile of shit then they should make an example out of Davis and stand up to these assholes. He can do whatever he wants but teams need to start standing up to these guys and not letting them dictate everything. They wouldn't be giving up much if they turned down the Lakers package and made him play out his contract.
It really is fantastic, though it does keep the Celtics in play. The Laker locker room must be pretty toxic right now.
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I looked it up. This saves money for Washington and NO got a second round pick out of it.
The Lakers offer is hot garbage. It's just a lot of hot garbage. But hot garbage plus hot garbage still equals hot garbage.
To be fair, it's not just them. Fox Sports is no better. The NBA media is full of Laker and LeBron Stans (not to mention Magic and Kobe Stans). KD may be a lot of things, but he wasn't wrong about the media having their heads up LeBron's ass and the toxic environments around his teams.
I put the chances that AD gets traded today at like 1%, there is just no benefit for NO. Might as well wait. Personally id like to trade for him now cause then i dont have to stress on draft lottery day, lol
I don't think it did either hurt or help. I get why he's pissed. If anything, it reinforced the idea that KD wouldn't be able to handle the NY media.
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watching it i dont know if it hurt the knicks or helped lol
I don't think it did either hurt or help. I get why he's pissed. If anything, it reinforced the idea that KD wouldn't be able to handle the NY media.
do you know the backstory?
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watching it i dont know if it hurt the knicks or helped lol
I don't think it did either hurt or help. I get why he's pissed. If anything, it reinforced the idea that KD wouldn't be able to handle the NY media.
do you know the backstory?
Yeah. He was going after Ethan Strauss. Even called him by name. Ethan who is butthurt over not getting a story from Durant. If there's anything more than that, I don't know.
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watching it i dont know if it hurt the knicks or helped lol
I don't think it did either hurt or help. I get why he's pissed. If anything, it reinforced the idea that KD wouldn't be able to handle the NY media.
do you know the backstory?
Yeah. He was going after Ethan Strauss. Even called him by name. Ethan who is butthurt over not getting a story from Durant. If there's anything more than that, I don't know.
yeah and basically he has been wroting every day how kd is irgnoring the media because he doesnt want to talk about the kp trade and it means hr is going to the knicks
I love Durant, but he can STFU.
He purposefully orchestrates his contracts to give himself annual flexibility to assess where he wants to play virtually every offseason.
That's totally his right, and extremely smart.
But don't shit a small sedan when the media and fans then go speculate where you're going to play.
If keeping it on the court and not having it analyzed to death is so important, sign a max.
If he can't commit to a veritable all star team, that he sought out, in a brand new arena, in the most desirable area of the country, in arguably the most relevant city in the world right now, maybe he's just kinda asking for it?
I'm not sure he can handle NY and being THE guy. I have serious reservations about how he handles adversity because it seems to be not well at all.
He won't have guys like Harden, Russ, Steph or Draymond to pass the buck off to when things get rough here. If he comes here, even WITH Kyrie, he is going to be the no-doubt Alpha dog here and the guy expected to carry the Knicks.
The spotlight is going to be directly on him more than it has ever been before and I think he's a bitch who won't handle it well.